The ball isn’t moving with rhythm. Too many ins and outs of the lineup maybe. But this was a game where more than half the possessions were watching a player try to show what he could do. It was reminiscent of summer league or losing teams in that respect. And then the other half was guys passing when they should actually shoot or In looney’s case pump faking when he should shoot.
What ever they worked on in the recent 3 day stretch off must have been defensive.
I don't feel too bad about this one. It felt like an earlier-in-the-dynasty loss: bricked threes and turnovers. It's frustrating because the team totally could've and should've had this one, but not THAT frustrating because the solution is simple: just don't suck like that next time. We know these guys are capable of it.
Plus there's another game right away, so we don't have to dwell on this one.
It’s been a long time since we have closed without Steph. Disappointing result for sure, but probably not shocking. Add that Draymond just returned after a long absence…
This road trip was already gonna suck, been calling that for a month. Now, it could get really ugly. Hoping the team can figure out how to close games better and maybe pick off a win or two.
Ja is out for one more game (@Nets). But for our 4th quarter malaise against two marginal teams, second seed was a possibility.
Having said that I think rotating cast of players resulting from injury prone vets and other injuries is making finding a rhythm hard. GP2 didn't play like himself. He was pressing. So is Klay. He is not himself yet but yet has had a ripple effect on rhythm of other players.
At the start of the season, Curry broke down the season in three parts - without Klay, integrating Klay and then making final push. Alas, we are still in the second phase if we change word Klay with combo of three OGs.
Come Playoffs, everyone healthy and tightened rotations will make finding rhythm easier. Especially true for Klay and Wiggs. Just have to get through first two rounds unscathed and not completely exhausted.
Yes, that was rough. The Dubs just decided not to score in the 1st and 4th quarters. Lots of dumb fouling on both ends of the court. Wiggins and Klay aren't shooting they're sh*tt*ng. Did I mention scoring? 17 points in the 1st quarter and 16 in the 4th???? Is this the Warriors. They have 10 games to figure this out. Then it gets real. Real or over.
Hmm. Positives: Nice to see Moody and Payton back! Woot! Kuminga was awesome - sadly his fouling limited his availability but he was solid on both ends of the court. Porter stepping up and needs to step up more. Draymond not getting technicals! And I might just be a believer in Poole. '
But: yea. The starters need to show up for the whole game.
Just came to commiserate and lament. That fourth quarter was... well, you know what it was. This is a team that has some pieces, but it's also got significant holes. The on-court stupidity is blowing my mind. I thought this was supposed to be a high bb iq team....
Chicago has to be the biggest pretenders ever. Every time they go up against a real playoff team they get smacked. They're getting 4-1'd in the first round healthy or not
I'm surprised we haven't seen much of JTA lately. He's a sparkplug and we really could use his energy out there. Guessing that he'll get some run tomorrow night in Miami.
Additionally, having 70 million invested on the wings (in Klay and Wiggins) for guys who are not really really good (Wiggins has never been, Klay is not right now but might get there) is pretty tough. I expect Wiggins to be traded away if we don't win the chip this year. He'll only have 1 year on his contract and he's still a starter-level wing in the NBA which is pretty valuable. I don't think it'll take a lot to dump his contract (or even redistribute it across multiple different players).
First NBA game I've seen in a month. Did not pick the greatest game, did I?
I've got a couple of general observations:
1. Apparently, my guy JP's been on a tear. I'm old enough to remember when people were saying that DLee and GP2 were better than him. He's our 3rd best player, right?
2. Speaking of guys like GP2, Bjelica, Wiggins (all-star starter lol), I feel that their downturn has a lot to do with the fact that they're role-players who thrive in pretty optimized roles. When we had Steph, Draymond (and to a lesser extent Andre), we could have these guys perform very specific duties which they did well. Now without one of Steph/Draymond, they're needing to perform roles they're not good at (for example, increased shot creation for Wiggins and he's reverted to Minnesota Wiggins. As I said earlier in the season, I don't think he's improved that much, he's just playing in a highly optimized setting).
3. Somewhat related to #2, we're a very fragile team. A well-built deep team like the Suns or the Grizzlies can withstand injuries to any player and still be really good. When Draymond goes down, we're a 45 win team. When Steph goes down, we're a 20-25 or maybe 30 win team. In a normal regular season, most stars miss about 10 games (and Steph and Draymond have been missing more than that in the past few years which I would guess is to be expected due to increasing age). We need to find ways to build in some measure of anti-fragility (is that the right term? I don't know).
4. Very related to #3, I think Steve Kerr's always been shown up to be an overrated offensive coach (he's obviously one of the best there is defensively). I saw a stat that ever since he took over, he's something like 44-85 in non-Steph games. Even taking out the 19-20 season, it's something like 30-40 (not exact numbers as I saw the tweet so I'm quoting from memory here). This includes teams where he's had Klay Thompson, Draymond Green and Kevin Durant. Additionally, offensively he's never gotten a league average offensive rating in non-Steph minutes. That's insane considering he had KD and Klay on the team at one time. Everybody seems to adore the system, but if the system doesn't work if one of the 2-3 best offensive players of all time is missing, is the system really that great? I had hoped the Atkinson hire would improve this, but that does not seem to be the case from the eye test.
5. About Klay, he needs to stop playing like he's Kobe. Stop chucking off-balance fadeaways. His efficiency has always been slightly less that what you would expect from a player of his calibre (being a Splash Brother and all), but it's at a particularly frigid 52.7% TS this year. He needs to simplify his game substantially (Draymond being injured obviously didn't help). I think not making the #75 list really got into his head, even though he's definitely behind Draymond and maybe even behind Iguodala on that metric on his own team. Go back to being Klay Thompson and there's still a really valuable player in there.
6. Draymond looked worse defensively than I've ever seen him basically. He's coming off a serious injury so it's understandable, but it was pretty uncharacteristic.
7. Chris Chiozza is not an NBA level player. What happened to the Spoon guy? When did Dowtin leave for the Magic?
8. To end on a positive note, I thought JK looked really good this game (at least offensively). Him and Poole being our 2 best players is encouraging for the future (as encouraging as a loss to a tanking team can be I suppose).
9. Bonus: Can we give Steph a retroactive MVP now for this season?
The ball isn’t moving with rhythm. Too many ins and outs of the lineup maybe. But this was a game where more than half the possessions were watching a player try to show what he could do. It was reminiscent of summer league or losing teams in that respect. And then the other half was guys passing when they should actually shoot or In looney’s case pump faking when he should shoot.
What ever they worked on in the recent 3 day stretch off must have been defensive.
Are all these flashy things safe? I may have to give up basketball.
Are all these flashy things safe? I may have to give up basketball.
I don't feel too bad about this one. It felt like an earlier-in-the-dynasty loss: bricked threes and turnovers. It's frustrating because the team totally could've and should've had this one, but not THAT frustrating because the solution is simple: just don't suck like that next time. We know these guys are capable of it.
Plus there's another game right away, so we don't have to dwell on this one.
In short: no new injuries, no problem.
It’s been a long time since we have closed without Steph. Disappointing result for sure, but probably not shocking. Add that Draymond just returned after a long absence…
This road trip was already gonna suck, been calling that for a month. Now, it could get really ugly. Hoping the team can figure out how to close games better and maybe pick off a win or two.
There is no news on Andre. That sucks I wonder if he will even be healthy enough to play 12 mins every other playoff game.
Ja is out for one more game (@Nets). But for our 4th quarter malaise against two marginal teams, second seed was a possibility.
Having said that I think rotating cast of players resulting from injury prone vets and other injuries is making finding a rhythm hard. GP2 didn't play like himself. He was pressing. So is Klay. He is not himself yet but yet has had a ripple effect on rhythm of other players.
At the start of the season, Curry broke down the season in three parts - without Klay, integrating Klay and then making final push. Alas, we are still in the second phase if we change word Klay with combo of three OGs.
Come Playoffs, everyone healthy and tightened rotations will make finding rhythm easier. Especially true for Klay and Wiggs. Just have to get through first two rounds unscathed and not completely exhausted.
Plenty of time to right the ship. They are out of sorts now but they know what to do. These losses really don’t matter much.
Remember the doom n gloom when we beat one of these contenders this week and poole drops 40
Yes, that was rough. The Dubs just decided not to score in the 1st and 4th quarters. Lots of dumb fouling on both ends of the court. Wiggins and Klay aren't shooting they're sh*tt*ng. Did I mention scoring? 17 points in the 1st quarter and 16 in the 4th???? Is this the Warriors. They have 10 games to figure this out. Then it gets real. Real or over.
Hmm. Positives: Nice to see Moody and Payton back! Woot! Kuminga was awesome - sadly his fouling limited his availability but he was solid on both ends of the court. Porter stepping up and needs to step up more. Draymond not getting technicals! And I might just be a believer in Poole. '
But: yea. The starters need to show up for the whole game.
Just came to commiserate and lament. That fourth quarter was... well, you know what it was. This is a team that has some pieces, but it's also got significant holes. The on-court stupidity is blowing my mind. I thought this was supposed to be a high bb iq team....
Chicago has to be the biggest pretenders ever. Every time they go up against a real playoff team they get smacked. They're getting 4-1'd in the first round healthy or not
I'm surprised we haven't seen much of JTA lately. He's a sparkplug and we really could use his energy out there. Guessing that he'll get some run tomorrow night in Miami.
Eric, no cool audio illusion? or such fun distractions, those were even better than the flashy thingy!
Additionally, having 70 million invested on the wings (in Klay and Wiggins) for guys who are not really really good (Wiggins has never been, Klay is not right now but might get there) is pretty tough. I expect Wiggins to be traded away if we don't win the chip this year. He'll only have 1 year on his contract and he's still a starter-level wing in the NBA which is pretty valuable. I don't think it'll take a lot to dump his contract (or even redistribute it across multiple different players).
First NBA game I've seen in a month. Did not pick the greatest game, did I?
I've got a couple of general observations:
1. Apparently, my guy JP's been on a tear. I'm old enough to remember when people were saying that DLee and GP2 were better than him. He's our 3rd best player, right?
2. Speaking of guys like GP2, Bjelica, Wiggins (all-star starter lol), I feel that their downturn has a lot to do with the fact that they're role-players who thrive in pretty optimized roles. When we had Steph, Draymond (and to a lesser extent Andre), we could have these guys perform very specific duties which they did well. Now without one of Steph/Draymond, they're needing to perform roles they're not good at (for example, increased shot creation for Wiggins and he's reverted to Minnesota Wiggins. As I said earlier in the season, I don't think he's improved that much, he's just playing in a highly optimized setting).
3. Somewhat related to #2, we're a very fragile team. A well-built deep team like the Suns or the Grizzlies can withstand injuries to any player and still be really good. When Draymond goes down, we're a 45 win team. When Steph goes down, we're a 20-25 or maybe 30 win team. In a normal regular season, most stars miss about 10 games (and Steph and Draymond have been missing more than that in the past few years which I would guess is to be expected due to increasing age). We need to find ways to build in some measure of anti-fragility (is that the right term? I don't know).
4. Very related to #3, I think Steve Kerr's always been shown up to be an overrated offensive coach (he's obviously one of the best there is defensively). I saw a stat that ever since he took over, he's something like 44-85 in non-Steph games. Even taking out the 19-20 season, it's something like 30-40 (not exact numbers as I saw the tweet so I'm quoting from memory here). This includes teams where he's had Klay Thompson, Draymond Green and Kevin Durant. Additionally, offensively he's never gotten a league average offensive rating in non-Steph minutes. That's insane considering he had KD and Klay on the team at one time. Everybody seems to adore the system, but if the system doesn't work if one of the 2-3 best offensive players of all time is missing, is the system really that great? I had hoped the Atkinson hire would improve this, but that does not seem to be the case from the eye test.
5. About Klay, he needs to stop playing like he's Kobe. Stop chucking off-balance fadeaways. His efficiency has always been slightly less that what you would expect from a player of his calibre (being a Splash Brother and all), but it's at a particularly frigid 52.7% TS this year. He needs to simplify his game substantially (Draymond being injured obviously didn't help). I think not making the #75 list really got into his head, even though he's definitely behind Draymond and maybe even behind Iguodala on that metric on his own team. Go back to being Klay Thompson and there's still a really valuable player in there.
6. Draymond looked worse defensively than I've ever seen him basically. He's coming off a serious injury so it's understandable, but it was pretty uncharacteristic.
7. Chris Chiozza is not an NBA level player. What happened to the Spoon guy? When did Dowtin leave for the Magic?
8. To end on a positive note, I thought JK looked really good this game (at least offensively). Him and Poole being our 2 best players is encouraging for the future (as encouraging as a loss to a tanking team can be I suppose).
9. Bonus: Can we give Steph a retroactive MVP now for this season?
Statmuse says:
Draymond Green is 28-57 without Stephen Curry in his career.
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/draymond-green-stats-without-steph-curry-record
Warriors have a 61-126 record without Stephen Curry all-time.
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/warriors-stats-without-steph-curry-record