Whichever way you look at it, The warriors are Gambling. Payton is hurt, and 30 years old, Wiseman is 20 years old and has never played on a team as talented. I'd gamble on Wiseman!
The most important development for GPII's basketball persona last year was that TV people stopped referring to his father every time they talked about him. It's embarrassing how much that happened in his first five years.
“He missed the first 35 games of the season due to recovery from offseason abdominal surgery. Since his return on Jan. 2 against the Detroit Pistons, he has missed four games and been a mainstay on the injury report, even on games he does play. He’s dealt with a sprained ankle, hip abductor soreness and now this calf contusion.”
Go back in time to the Wiseman draft. The top 15 was not stacked. Beyond number 1 it was all question marks. In hindsight the Dubs should have traded the number 2 for (fill in the ideal player in the league we wanted). That would have been the low risk move. But have teams ever, ever, ever??? traded down like that? Or traded out of a top 3 pick? Speak up ye basketball historians. Dubs go their own way but really, this would have been too much. A high risk roll of the dice was in the cards.
In other words, we screwed it up. Sure, one can say that hindsight is 20-20, or that teams don't trade down, but we wanted something -- a player who would have impact in his first three years -- and didn't get it. This is why scouts and GMs are paid, to get this kind of thing right. If we didn't, it's an error. Everyone in every business makes errors. I do, you do, GSW does. But I like how Timpf said last night that to their credit, Myers and Lacob just said, "We messed up on Wiseman, we messed up on GPII, now we're going to fix it." Rather than continuing for the sake of pride to pretend that they hadn't messed up.
Yes I recall that too. Too bad the Dubs had to suck so bad the one year the draft was ultra weak. We wouldn’t be saying this if they had gotten the number 1 pick though!
While you lazy-asses were sleeping, I was hard at work developing some very sophisticated algorithms for my predictive model. I ran 100,000 simulated possessions vs. each NBA team’s offense to see how a DDV-GP2-JFK-Dray-Loondawg lineup will perform defensively. Here are the results:
* 20% of the possessions ended with a steal
* 13%* ended with a block
* 7%* ended with a travel/discontinued dribble
* 8% ended with an offensive foul
* 42% of the time, the opponent failed to advance the ball across the timeline in 8 seconds
* In the remaining 10%, the opponent said “fuck it” and went home
Mike Breen: "According to WNASOTPEOGS - and sorry for spitting on you, Jeff and Mark - there was a very good likelihood of this outcome. Grayson Allen's agent has confirmed the mid-game retirement tweet as legitimate, and his mother will be along shortly to clean out his locker."
Kings are projected to go 16-12 at their current pace.
We have 27 games left. Need to close out at 19-8 (0.704) to catch the Kings, maybe 18-9 (0.666) to comfortably land in 4-6.
For comparison, Dallas has 26 games left and needs to go 16-10 (0.615) to end up one game behind the Kings.
Totally possible for us to catch up, but we have to be much more consistent, can't give up these narrow games anymore, and put together some solid 7-3 stretches.
On the plus side, I get to start following Tankathon again. Who might be available at 13 or 14 when the Dubs get unceremoniously dispatched from the Play In?? Don't get me wrong, I love getting GP2 back, but that is not going to solve what ills the Dubs this year. You ever miss you exit on the highway, but the next exit is like another 10 minutes down the road, so you gotta back track a long long way. That's the Dubs. Kerr took a wrong turn early in the season and now, this deep into the season, we are attempting to course correct, but its too late. Thanks, Tankathon. When our Waze app fails, you are always there for us.
One of Anthony Black, Cayson Wallace, Rayan Rupert should be available in the 12-18 range. Of course, as of yesterday we might need a new big, and it seems like slim pickings in that category.
Note how many dunks, tough finishes, big shots, steals, and blocks came during huge playoff games, against our potential nemeses (Jokic, Smart, Tatum, Bane, CP3, etc.) I had totally forgotten, for example, about the (effectively) series-clinching three he hit in Game 5 v. Denver with 1:05 left and the Warriors up only 2. If that series goes back to a Game 6 in Denver, who knows how the rest of the playoffs plays out.
Warriors in last year's playoffs with Payton on court: +15.0
Warriors in last year's playoffs with Payton on the bench: +3.1
Top 10 rated players in the NBA last season by RAPTOR:
Watching this makes me wonder: Will this ignite some dunking from Wiggins and Kuminga? I'd love to see these three guys get aggressive at the rim. Could be the antidote to all of that mindless, early in the clock chucking...
Ironic to think that we were all waiting patiently for Wiseman to play the JaVale role - set picks, run the floor, occupy the dunker's spot. Now we've traded for the ultimate dunker's spot player in GP2.
Holy Moses! That highlight video had me shaking and scratching my head in amazement as I relived Payton’s feats from last season. I just hope he is still as spry as he was last year given his injury.
Past the great defensive ability, one hopes this might help solve whatever has made the lockerroom appear to be more of a job than an adventure this year. Payton's attitude clearly has been missed, and not just on the court.
New thread up: https://dubnationhq.com/p/dub-nation-hq-comments-of-week-plus-7db?sd=pf
This year (2023 - 24) Wiseman in Detroit made me sad pretty often
Whichever way you look at it, The warriors are Gambling. Payton is hurt, and 30 years old, Wiseman is 20 years old and has never played on a team as talented. I'd gamble on Wiseman!
Really hoping we don't do the play-in. We are bad at OT's and play ins.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fT6aYz2N9w
Terrible play-in win %!
The most important development for GPII's basketball persona last year was that TV people stopped referring to his father every time they talked about him. It's embarrassing how much that happened in his first five years.
Missing the dubs trainers?
“He missed the first 35 games of the season due to recovery from offseason abdominal surgery. Since his return on Jan. 2 against the Detroit Pistons, he has missed four games and been a mainstay on the injury report, even on games he does play. He’s dealt with a sprained ankle, hip abductor soreness and now this calf contusion.”
So, is GP ready to play or is he on the injury list?
Sorry. This report is a few weeks old. He looked good against us!
Go back in time to the Wiseman draft. The top 15 was not stacked. Beyond number 1 it was all question marks. In hindsight the Dubs should have traded the number 2 for (fill in the ideal player in the league we wanted). That would have been the low risk move. But have teams ever, ever, ever??? traded down like that? Or traded out of a top 3 pick? Speak up ye basketball historians. Dubs go their own way but really, this would have been too much. A high risk roll of the dice was in the cards.
Even if you can't find someone to trade down with, you can still pick a "consensus lower" pick.
In other words, we screwed it up. Sure, one can say that hindsight is 20-20, or that teams don't trade down, but we wanted something -- a player who would have impact in his first three years -- and didn't get it. This is why scouts and GMs are paid, to get this kind of thing right. If we didn't, it's an error. Everyone in every business makes errors. I do, you do, GSW does. But I like how Timpf said last night that to their credit, Myers and Lacob just said, "We messed up on Wiseman, we messed up on GPII, now we're going to fix it." Rather than continuing for the sake of pride to pretend that they hadn't messed up.
Someone mentioned in an earlier thread (lol @ trying to find it!) that apparently the team shopped the pick around and got meager interest.
Yes I recall that too. Too bad the Dubs had to suck so bad the one year the draft was ultra weak. We wouldn’t be saying this if they had gotten the number 1 pick though!
Anyone heard or read how this all played out in the front office?
I’m wondering if Joe had to be convinced to give up on Wiseman or looked at the escalating salary projections himself and said “Enough”.
While you lazy-asses were sleeping, I was hard at work developing some very sophisticated algorithms for my predictive model. I ran 100,000 simulated possessions vs. each NBA team’s offense to see how a DDV-GP2-JFK-Dray-Loondawg lineup will perform defensively. Here are the results:
* 20% of the possessions ended with a steal
* 13%* ended with a block
* 7%* ended with a travel/discontinued dribble
* 8% ended with an offensive foul
* 42% of the time, the opponent failed to advance the ball across the timeline in 8 seconds
* In the remaining 10%, the opponent said “fuck it” and went home
I'm not paying attention to your algorithm until it has an absurd acronym.
If my lazy ass understands correctly, this lineup will be used in We-Need-A-Stop-On-This-Possession End Of Game Situations.
I submit the acronym (to be shrieked in a Bobcat Goldthwaite voice) WNASOTPEOGS.
Mike Breen: "According to WNASOTPEOGS - and sorry for spitting on you, Jeff and Mark - there was a very good likelihood of this outcome. Grayson Allen's agent has confirmed the mid-game retirement tweet as legitimate, and his mother will be along shortly to clean out his locker."
Defense Obliterates All
Deadly Defenders are Victorious
Lol. I wonder if this lineup will ever actually happen. Sadly I doubt it, would be fun in a very ‘lowest scoring 7 minutes’ way.
I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see it in a “We need a stop on this possessions” end of game situation.
Watching jk, gp2 and ddv rock the rim on three consecutive defensive steals will be poetic
Kings are projected to go 16-12 at their current pace.
We have 27 games left. Need to close out at 19-8 (0.704) to catch the Kings, maybe 18-9 (0.666) to comfortably land in 4-6.
For comparison, Dallas has 26 games left and needs to go 16-10 (0.615) to end up one game behind the Kings.
Totally possible for us to catch up, but we have to be much more consistent, can't give up these narrow games anymore, and put together some solid 7-3 stretches.
Facts. Most likely outcome: exciting play-in game(s).
That’ll be tough without Steph. Hopefully, Payton back will invigorate the team.
This season just got STACKED. Going to be interesting.
TBH if the Warriors still can't make it to the finals, I wouldn't be mad about a Nuggets-Bucks finals. Just no Celtics, Grizz, Suns plz.
If it can’t be the Warriors, I’d be rooting for the Kangs
Me too. But Denver would get my next cheers.
On the plus side, I get to start following Tankathon again. Who might be available at 13 or 14 when the Dubs get unceremoniously dispatched from the Play In?? Don't get me wrong, I love getting GP2 back, but that is not going to solve what ills the Dubs this year. You ever miss you exit on the highway, but the next exit is like another 10 minutes down the road, so you gotta back track a long long way. That's the Dubs. Kerr took a wrong turn early in the season and now, this deep into the season, we are attempting to course correct, but its too late. Thanks, Tankathon. When our Waze app fails, you are always there for us.
One of Anthony Black, Cayson Wallace, Rayan Rupert should be available in the 12-18 range. Of course, as of yesterday we might need a new big, and it seems like slim pickings in that category.
https://nbadraft.theringer.com/
Dare ya to watch this highlight reel and not be totally fvcking stoked:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iR7gLcaTfU
Note how many dunks, tough finishes, big shots, steals, and blocks came during huge playoff games, against our potential nemeses (Jokic, Smart, Tatum, Bane, CP3, etc.) I had totally forgotten, for example, about the (effectively) series-clinching three he hit in Game 5 v. Denver with 1:05 left and the Warriors up only 2. If that series goes back to a Game 6 in Denver, who knows how the rest of the playoffs plays out.
Warriors in last year's playoffs with Payton on court: +15.0
Warriors in last year's playoffs with Payton on the bench: +3.1
Top 10 rated players in the NBA last season by RAPTOR:
1. Jokic
2. Giannis
3. Embiid
4. Gobert
5. Curry
6. Doncic
7. (Tie) GP2 and Butler
9. Tatum
10. Jrue
Watching this makes me wonder: Will this ignite some dunking from Wiggins and Kuminga? I'd love to see these three guys get aggressive at the rim. Could be the antidote to all of that mindless, early in the clock chucking...
To quote Chris Farley, "That was awesome!"
Ironic to think that we were all waiting patiently for Wiseman to play the JaVale role - set picks, run the floor, occupy the dunker's spot. Now we've traded for the ultimate dunker's spot player in GP2.
Holy Moses! That highlight video had me shaking and scratching my head in amazement as I relived Payton’s feats from last season. I just hope he is still as spry as he was last year given his injury.
This is where the fun begins
In think your on/off +/- is flipped...
Whoops, got it, thanks!
Mrs and I watched last night and we’re all, “Tee hee hee, yes, he’s back!”
Damn I feel bad for Wiseman, but I had very little faith in him ever being good much less being good AND a fit for Kerrball. Welcome back GP2 <3.
Now please Dubs, go on a long f***ing winning streak.
Past the great defensive ability, one hopes this might help solve whatever has made the lockerroom appear to be more of a job than an adventure this year. Payton's attitude clearly has been missed, and not just on the court.
DDV = 0
JFK = 00
GPII = 000?
A) I think that would be awesome and B) We should redo all of the player numbers in binary. #lightyears
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