Whew, as the draft gets closer I made the mistake of seeking out draft analysis podcasts. One pod’s reason for concern about Toppin was that he played a bit stiff and was 22. I looked up robotic 22 yr old PF’s and it turns out you should draft them first for best results.
It also looked like there Is no advantage to drafting younger in regards to years played in the league or likelihood of success when drafting in the top 3.
In fact it seems more experienced/already successful top 3 picks have more successful NBA careers unless LeBron. LeBron aside, more successful younger/less experienced players seem to come from the middle of the 1st Rd than the top.
I like almost any trade down into the 3-8 range provided it brings an back extra (likely good) first round pick and doesn't bring on a lot of salary, but I don't think most of these deals are favorable enough for the other party. Put it this way, if the Warriors end up with Toppin or Haliburton with the 7th pick, assuming they aren't gone, *and* a good 2021 pick, what's not to like? These are guys that the Warriors supposedly like at #2, so they should like them even better at #7 with an extra pick. It's not like Edwards or Wiseman were likely to be great next year.
The only consistent draft noise I hear is that #1-8 (or #1-10 or #1-12) are very much in flux: is Avdija a #9 or a #2, is Wiseman a #1 or a #4, etc. If that's the case, then moving from #2 to #7 (or somewhere else in the top 10) doesn't seem to be that risky of a move. Then if teams start throwing in picks in next year's stacked draft and/or players that could be in our top 8 rotation this year, then these seem like such easy offers for the Warriors to grab. I've said before that if there's someone the W's love at #2, then they should only give that up for some serious talent. But if the top half of the draft is flat (like we keep hearing), then most of these moves make a lot of sense. Your (Apricot's) excellent Beat the Draft series on Wiseman has me a lot higher on him than I was before those articles. And rewatching video of him I see shades of David Robinson there (which leads me to wonder how important would The Admiral be in today's NBA?). But he also might be JaVale McGee, which is not a bad player (and seems like an awesome guy - not just because of the fanny pack), but definitely not worth keeping over some of these offers.
I think too many Warriors are at the stage of overvaluing Wiggins now... I think he's got untapped potential, and his value is at this point lower than it should be (i.e. it's a very bad contract, but not the worst in the league) but Jrue is obviously a better player than Wiggins and is cheaper. That said, Zach's own trade idea of Wiggins + 2 for Jrue + 13 is much more favourable and the 21 MIN seems like too much to give up in this case (and Reddick is good but not really the type of player we need most right now).
First one is intriguing (Holliday and JJ), seems like the others are just the Warriors fleecing the other teams. What's next Looney, Poole, and a bag of peanuts for Beal?
What do you guys think of trading back with Charlotte to grab Zeller + 3rd overall? I'm a big fan of Zeller as a player and it would fill a need while allowing us flexibility at 3rd.
These are tepid compared to the previous iterations. The only problem is that these trades don’t seem to move the needle as much, while some move out of the top tier of picks to add what looks like a depth piece. That’s not great when your just filling in depth, no matter how much it’s needed.
The Detroit trade that has 7, Svi, Kennard, and a top pick next year would be great. Kennard is a nice all around offensive guard, and Svi is a legit great shooting prospect at 22.
Wendell Carter has been saying he does not want to play C. Maybe that's just an effort to get him out of Chicago. He's clearly a C. But that would be phenomenal.
The other ones aren't bad. I'm really intrigued by any trade that lands the Warriors a potential lottery pick next year.
Whew, as the draft gets closer I made the mistake of seeking out draft analysis podcasts. One pod’s reason for concern about Toppin was that he played a bit stiff and was 22. I looked up robotic 22 yr old PF’s and it turns out you should draft them first for best results.
It also looked like there Is no advantage to drafting younger in regards to years played in the league or likelihood of success when drafting in the top 3.
In fact it seems more experienced/already successful top 3 picks have more successful NBA careers unless LeBron. LeBron aside, more successful younger/less experienced players seem to come from the middle of the 1st Rd than the top.
Stop giving away Wiggins. I want to see him develop with the Dubs. Don't trade for anyone over 30.
I like almost any trade down into the 3-8 range provided it brings an back extra (likely good) first round pick and doesn't bring on a lot of salary, but I don't think most of these deals are favorable enough for the other party. Put it this way, if the Warriors end up with Toppin or Haliburton with the 7th pick, assuming they aren't gone, *and* a good 2021 pick, what's not to like? These are guys that the Warriors supposedly like at #2, so they should like them even better at #7 with an extra pick. It's not like Edwards or Wiseman were likely to be great next year.
The only consistent draft noise I hear is that #1-8 (or #1-10 or #1-12) are very much in flux: is Avdija a #9 or a #2, is Wiseman a #1 or a #4, etc. If that's the case, then moving from #2 to #7 (or somewhere else in the top 10) doesn't seem to be that risky of a move. Then if teams start throwing in picks in next year's stacked draft and/or players that could be in our top 8 rotation this year, then these seem like such easy offers for the Warriors to grab. I've said before that if there's someone the W's love at #2, then they should only give that up for some serious talent. But if the top half of the draft is flat (like we keep hearing), then most of these moves make a lot of sense. Your (Apricot's) excellent Beat the Draft series on Wiseman has me a lot higher on him than I was before those articles. And rewatching video of him I see shades of David Robinson there (which leads me to wonder how important would The Admiral be in today's NBA?). But he also might be JaVale McGee, which is not a bad player (and seems like an awesome guy - not just because of the fanny pack), but definitely not worth keeping over some of these offers.
Also, for everyone that shat on my "#2 for detroit #7 + 21 first" idea that Eric put into the last round by asking (reasonably) why the hell detroit would want to move up.... https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30263021/detroit-pistons-intrigued-lamelo-ball-moving-draft
I think too many Warriors are at the stage of overvaluing Wiggins now... I think he's got untapped potential, and his value is at this point lower than it should be (i.e. it's a very bad contract, but not the worst in the league) but Jrue is obviously a better player than Wiggins and is cheaper. That said, Zach's own trade idea of Wiggins + 2 for Jrue + 13 is much more favourable and the 21 MIN seems like too much to give up in this case (and Reddick is good but not really the type of player we need most right now).
First one is intriguing (Holliday and JJ), seems like the others are just the Warriors fleecing the other teams. What's next Looney, Poole, and a bag of peanuts for Beal?
In general, I’m not willing to move Wiggins for anyone other than a star his size or larger.
What do you guys think of trading back with Charlotte to grab Zeller + 3rd overall? I'm a big fan of Zeller as a player and it would fill a need while allowing us flexibility at 3rd.
These are tepid compared to the previous iterations. The only problem is that these trades don’t seem to move the needle as much, while some move out of the top tier of picks to add what looks like a depth piece. That’s not great when your just filling in depth, no matter how much it’s needed.
The Detroit trade that has 7, Svi, Kennard, and a top pick next year would be great. Kennard is a nice all around offensive guard, and Svi is a legit great shooting prospect at 22.
Wendell Carter has been saying he does not want to play C. Maybe that's just an effort to get him out of Chicago. He's clearly a C. But that would be phenomenal.
The other ones aren't bad. I'm really intrigued by any trade that lands the Warriors a potential lottery pick next year.
Bjelica would be great with the Dubs. I also like Holmes. Now if this year's Sacramento pick was higher...