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A few days after joining the Trevion army he's gone without any fanfare. I must be a horrible judge of what an effective NBA big looks like.

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One interesting thought is that these sort of scuffles seem to happen much more frequently in the NFL. I think there are lots of reasons for that, chiefly being that football is a much more violent game (and the whole CTE thing). When people are banging bodies and talking trash, sometimes things get a bit too heated.

Did this happen during scrimmage with the two going against each other? Did it happen when they were just hanging out? Was it at the end of a long day when nerves were frayed? Did Poole cross any lives with what he said?

Under no circumstances is what Draymond did okay, but in my opinion the circumstances greatly change the severity of it.

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OT (maybe): old friend Jeff Dowtin with a nice line for Raptors over the Celtics last night. Just preseason, I know, but it's nice to see former Dubs excel.

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Green is the older person here and, supposedly, should be the more mature one. He’s a veteran. He’s been in the limelight far longer and has earned more money than he’ll ever need. Poole is the up and coming young guy (and maybe star) who will finally get a big contract and more money than he’ll ever see. He’s super excited and who wouldn’t? Maybe Poole was bragging too much and who wouldn’t. Green has been in Poole’s situation. He’s been there. So couldn’t Green have empathized with Poole, taken Poole aside, and talked with him about whatever was bothering him about Poole? Resorting to anything physical just leaves a bad taste in everyone’s mouth. And it’s a sign of weakness and immaturity, no matter how you try to justify it. We always excuse Green’s outbursts as something that’s just part of him and what makes him who he is. But he’s really just a ticking time bomb because, sooner or later, one of his outbursts could be his downfall. With that said, I truly hope they fix this.

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Don't think it's a big deal. Always gotten big bro little bro vibes from Dray and Poole. Can't see them not being able to move past it. They are both ultra competitive.

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Oct 6, 2022·edited Oct 6, 2022

As a grown man who has been the little bro in that type of brotherhood, I can definitely say someone punching me in the face might supersede that brotherhood if that type of stuff happens on the regular. I’m a draymond fan, but he is way too old to be acting like this. If you want to be the “big bro”, then you have to act like the big bro. He isn’t 20 anymore, and is a role model to the whole team. I’m disappointed

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> if that type of stuff happens on the regular

clearly this is far from "the regular"

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Sure. But it really doesn't matter what you think about it. All that matters is how Poole feels about it and I suspect he won't be that bothered. Dray has to be near the edge to be his best. Once in a while he will cross the line. I won't argue with the assertion that he shouldn't. But I won't condemn him for it.

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Everyone definitely reacts differently to things. I also didn’t think the KD thing would be a long term issue. I wouldn’t be surprised if this was already resolved internally, but I also wouldn’t be surprised if this created long term friction between them

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The KD thing was not a long term issue. It was known by everyone including Draymond that KD was planning on leaving, and people have misinterpreted Draymond's comments as a cause of rather than a reaction to that for years, perhaps because it is a more salacious angle.

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Lost in all of this is that as of today, we can no longer refer to Kuminga as a 19 year old.

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He was 19 for a helluva lot longer than most 19 yr olds.

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So Draymond wanted to take JK down a notch as well by stepping all over his birthday? 😁

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Happy Birthday, JFK!!!

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💜

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Oct 6, 2022·edited Oct 6, 2022

Uncle Alc’s take is pretty much in line with how I feel: https://youtu.be/_72TSDsI_ok

To his credit, he pointed to Draymond being an issue in a contract year as something to watch out for prior to this incident.

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I'm largely in this boat too. Also, I'm incredibly relieved that Andre is still on the squad as his mediation skills as well as the respect he has from both the old and the new guys will no doubt prevent this from being a worse situation than it could have been otherwise.

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To start off with, I love Draymond. I don't always like everything he does, but he uniquely provides so much to the team and he really is a unicorn among NBA players as a full package. We all know that he walks a thin line between being a fiery motivator and competitor and momentarily losing his cool. I think overall he has matured a lot over time, but clearly he let his emotions get the better of him here (for whatever reason). It is far from the first time, and likely will not be the last time. The better question is, where does this rank among his other "crossing the line" moments?

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Off of the top of my head I have the following:

-I'm not a robot

-The LeBron teabag

-Hurting KD's feelings

-Previous bench argument with Poole

-The Poole Punch

What am I missing? Pretty soon we can get a tournament started for this. Maybe throw in Sprewell's choke for good measure.

For me, it's too soon to tell how bad this is overall. it really depends on a. if he takes accountability, b. is contrite, c. how the team disciplines him, and d. how Poole handles the fallout. I definitely think that they can get through this, but it will take maturity on the part of many different individuals.

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Don't forget about his incident with Kerr at halftime during the game at OKC where Steph hit the deep game-winner (or is this the "robot" reference?). Supposedly police were asked to go to the locker room because they feared things would escalate.

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That's the robot.

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Monta moped injury?

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Oct 6, 2022·edited Oct 6, 2022

That was a Draymond Green crossing the line incident?

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Woops. I thought I was responding to a general Top Dubs Scandals thread! 🤦

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Probably.

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I heard Draymond held John Wilkes Booth’s getaway horse.

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False. Donald Sterling held Booth's horse.

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💜

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Draymond filming himself driving 100+ miles an hour down the freeway.

Draymond snapping a dick pick and posting it? Cant remember how it got out.

There must be one or two with Bogues, given his neocon view of the world. Don't remember them, though.

Kerr's takes on Sarver were kind of embarrassing.

Steph's actually pretty remarkable in that every public syllable he speaks is recorded, and he hasn't said that much that is controversial.

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“ Draymond snapping a dick pick and posting it? Cant remember how it got out.”

I’m assuming it got out because he opened his fly and took it out. (Sorry, couldn’t resist.)

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Unfortunately, all the comebacks I can think of are at least R-rated. :)

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A whole bunch with Mark Jackson, too.

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Yep. Sleeping with someone while being a preacher is generally a no-no. ;)

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Sleeping with someone *who you are not married to

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Oooh, an “all time Warriors scandal/debacle” tourney would be amazing, even if Spree v PJ would probably take the cake…

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It should almost be disqualified outright because there's really nothing that even comes close to comparing.

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Jordan Bell charging a candle to Mike Brown's hotel room?

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Thank you! That incident cannot be forgotten. It would be a crime against humanity (or humor, anyway).

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I don't disagree with you and he certainly should be held responsible for it. The severity of the action, in my mind, certainly varies based on lots of different factors, but physical battery in this sort of context is certainly not okay.

I am most concerned about how to move past this in a healing manner and not just a punitive one. If I was the FO I would definitely push for mandated anger management/therapy to be part of the response.

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Haven't heard many details yet, but I'll believe that when I see it. Other than Ime Udoka, I haven't seen many heavy suspensions handed down by teams.

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Yes, this. And he is not a tiny individual. What will it take before he's properly held accountable? Breaking Poole's face?

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Oct 6, 2022·edited Oct 6, 2022

Agreed, although I want to know more about the exact nature of the blow in order properly modulate my outrage/anger/disappointment.

Many shades of grey between a full-force closed fist punch (even one that doesn’t land squarely) and, say, a gentle open-hand dope-slap.

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Fair enough. Draymond has no off switch though. He kicked Adams in the nuts not once but twice and pretty much got off lightly. His next swing might not end well.

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This is where I am as well. Just not enough info to really come to a strong conclusion here beyond "Draymond messed up."

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Again.

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I really like what you daily post, Sabri. Here in Europe is still pretty simple to meet personally basketball or soccer pro player and talk with them. I had great delusion when I met some of my favorite players. Better watchin' them playin, sometimes.

Do you agree with me?

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There's an old saying that you should never meet your heroes.

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And what message does this send to all the up and coming youngsters on the team? Work hard, try to improve but don't become too good else Draymond will come for you too.

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I mean this is assuming a lot, no? Do we know why Draymond was yelling at Poole? Are we sure it was jealousy and not, say, Draymond feeling like Poole's attention to defensive detail is waning now that he is close to securing the bag?

Obviously a punch is going too far and Draymond is in the wrong for that, but I still have questions about the verbal part of the altercation.

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For sure there's plenty of speculation here. But we're also talking about someone who felt entitled enough with the Dubs organization to tell KD to leave. Who is and isn't fair game to Draymond? I don't think he would have taken a swing at Curry, Klay or Andre if things got heated, whatever the nature of the verbal altercation.

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Top 5 Things Poole Might Have Said to Piss Off Draymond:

* “My comp is Tyler Herro. Who’s yours, Jae Crowder?”

* (singing) “My bag’s bigger than your bag. My bag’s bigger than yours. My bag’s bigger cause I am better than you. My bag’s bigger than yours.”

* “Hope Joe’s got some crumbs left over for you.”

* “What did you say Dray? It’s hard to hear you over all those crickets coming from the front office since you demanded that max extension.”

* “I’m getting a bag and you’re still wearing that backpack.”

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Oct 6, 2022·edited Oct 6, 2022

"Your podcast sucks."

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Ha! I almost said “You demanded a max extension and all we’ve heard is crickets. I guess Joe and Bob don’t listen to your podcast, either.”

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I'd guess it has something to do with Draymond chastising Poole on focus related to what it takes to defend a title and Poole saying he works harder and pointed to Draymond's physique/podcast/and or jump shot as evidence.

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this is too easy. It's harder to find things that Poole might have said that did NOT piss off Draymond.

Draymond gets pissed off at a day with light drizzle.

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True, and Poole is a notorious shit talker.

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* "LeBron's championship window is closing"*

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Not even anything about Michigan vs. Michigan State?

Go Blue!

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Dunno if this was shared yet:

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1577890581728186369?s=20&t=ex5bW8GLjlPGEPadVsZmFQ

The NBA plans to negotiate new television/media and Collective Bargaining deals before seriously examining the adding of new teams. The possibilities of Las Vegas and Seattle as expansion candidates are real, but likely years away.

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I don't see the point in Vegas. You have to contend with the Golden Knights, who started out ultrahot by expansion team standards and the Raiders and those are just the major American sports (there's also to a lesser extent stuff like the Formula 1 race coming next year). There is no way a Las Vegas team would be anything but additional home games for the Pacific Division. St. Louis or a second Canadian team would seem much more promising, but what do I know?

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The Raiders had the highest ticket revenue in the NFL last year despite only selling the 25th most tickets.

The NBA isn't going to leave a market like that untouched. They don't care if they create a fan base or if that's where fans travel to see their teams play as long as the money comes in.

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Imagine all the Clippers, Lakers, Warriors, Kings, Jazz and Suns fans (at the very least) who would be more than happy to make a trip down to Vegas to see their team play.

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Yep.

It's also a star town, and the NBA is filled w stars. Maybe you just want to go and see Steph, or LeBron, or Zion or Giannis in person. The NBA is probably looking at just overall entertainment revenue and thinking they can be a part of that.

Plus every casino will have a box and premium tickets they're paying for. And that'll be a hot spot for celebrities to go to.

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OT: Eric, I think we need an E1P (Explain One Punch).

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And here I missed all of the excitement by watching volleyball last night. Hopefully it's all sorted or will be soon.

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Once again a part of Warriors fandom is using every chance given to embarrass itself. If the team shot as efficiently as some its fans do, we'd go 74-8 this season. Questioning whether Poole wouldn't sign his first big money extension (he would), questioning whether we can win without Draymond this season (we can't), all over something that shouldn't happen yet happens in the league every damn season. Unless we hear about a trade request within the next 48 hours, this is giant nothing burger. Green will get his bollocks fined off and maybe cop an internal suspension for a game, then the team will keep winning and in a month nobody talks about it anymore.

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Guys, I need a quick recap on what happened between JP and Dray. Mostly I need it because all I read on the matter does not make sense to me. What f****ng rivalry can there be between them two? Plus, I expected Iggy to intervene graciously when such things should arise. I expect him as to fill this role, to grab them two by the ears, and slam them onto the lockers room wall, and to ask politely: "What the f**k, you two?". Am I wrong?

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Ti dico: a me il personaggio Draymond Green (non il giocatore, sia ben chiaro) piace meno di zero. Se fossi Myers e Lacob alla fine di quest'anno terrei Poole e Wiggins senza alcuna esitazione. E gli auguro di raggiungere il 40enne LeBron ai Lakers

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Mi sa che finisce davvero così. Poi demoliranno i canestri dello Staples a forza di mattonate, bella coppia, Brickmond e Westbrick. Francamente io trovo simpatico lo swag di JP, ed è anche importante per lanciare la squadra (non sono mai sopravvalutati i suoi canestri da metà campo alla sirena). Infine bisogna considerare che JP si sacrifica, e non poco, facendo il sesto uomo: sarebbe nel lineup di altre venti squadre dell'NBA.

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Uno è in rampa di lancio, ed è il sostituto naturale (se mai ne esisterà uno) di Steph

L'altro è agli ultimi giri di giostra e idolatra LeBron James. Io non avrei alcun dubbio

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> il sostituto naturale (se mai ne esisterà uno) di Steph

Quoted for truth. 😊 🇮🇹

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Oct 6, 2022·edited Oct 6, 2022

You lighted a dream. Integrated culture switch between the actual triumvirate, and the New Basketball Generation. In 5 yrs., Poole will be perfectly mature, Curry will be starting his first PGA tour, DG will podcast, KT will do analytics and zen from the middle of the Bay, and the team will change again the paradigms of basketball, with two 0.45 3p pinnacles (PBJ, JW) and three 6.6 rim buccaneers (JP, JK, AW). Okay, okay, I'm going to take my pills, okay.

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Quando sarà il momento, bisogna decidere, di comune accordo tra i Dubs, chi portare all'All Star Game tra Klay e JP, per non disperdere voti in stile Sinistra Italiana. Oppure convincere quei maledetti a considerare Klay una SF, e così abbiamo quattro titolari all'ASG :)

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Oct 6, 2022·edited Oct 6, 2022

I consider Klay a small forward in any case. He’s much more suited to guarding the Tatums and Paul Georges of the world than little speed burners like Ja.

I don’t want to lose Dray, but if we ever did, Steph-Poole-Klay-Wiggins-Looney is a perfectly awesome starting 5. Mix in any of Moods, Kuminga, Wiseman, or Baldwin as they blossom.

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I agree too. In facts, maybe we have already lost Dray in this instance.

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Agree 100% with you

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MJ threw a punch at Kerr, who stood up and probably responded, and they went on winning three rings together....

They're grown men, they're pro ballers

I believe we are too much worry about it

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When Draymond and Durant got into it, people told people not worry about it and that it would all blow over.

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In Italy there's this adage: "La prima volta si perdona, la seconda si bastona". I think I heard an adage of yours like this: "This is strike one. Do you know what will happen at strike three? Nothing. You won't survive strike two."

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Even Michael Jordan, Michael freaking Jordan, GOAT, actually manned up and apologized for his punch. And said so numerous times after. Draymond is supposedly "apologetic", and that coming from Chris Haynes. So who knows. We shall see.

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I'd be more than happy to discover I'm worrying too much.

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This is not the first time though. They got into it last year on the bench and Steph held him back.

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And they won a championship together and JP and Dray were decisive on the floor in 16 games playoff.

So what?

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So nothing. I was merely stating it isn't the first time with them. I'm not going to talk like I know these guys personally.

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I agree

Don't know any of them

Ain't worry at all, actually

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I wonder if draymond would have punched demarcus cousins for talkin shit instead of a small dude 10 years younger then him, I'm good on dray, go play on the lakers with your idol

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LeBron! AD! WestBrook! Draymond! The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse of Jumpshots!

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