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Forgot McCaw was on the Raps lol

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Having Curry as a shooting threat and a ballhandler already makes the transition offense look better with defenses always scrambling to pick him up.

Too bad in the half court you look around and it's Damion Lee and JTA "spreading" the floor....

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Is this officially Curry’s start to his second act , sure feels like it . Can’t wait to see it!

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Mar 5, 2020Liked by punk basketball, Daniel Hardee

"Weird looking at myself, I am trying not to look at myself" 😀. That's me during every video conference call at work with additional thought "can we go back to good old days of no-video where I could be in my PJs".

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Another question to grind GlueAndBold's gears... :)

Is LeBron even the best player on his own team this year?

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Here, player A vs. player B:

Player A.

TS: .664

TRB%: 18.9

AST%: 4.9

BLK%: 8.1

TOV%: 13.2

USG%: 15.1

WS/48: .212

Player B:

TS%: .579

TRB%: 12.2

AST%: 49.8

TOV%: 13.2

USG%: 15.1

WS/48: .212

Both players are having standout seasons, but player A is scoring more efficiently on fewer minutes and a lower usage %.

So obviously JaVale McGee (Player A) is a better player than LeBron James (Player B).

(Lies, damn lies, and statistics, because I left out plenty of things like BPM, VORP, and Points/36 or Points/Poss that showcase LeBron's advantages.)

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You didn't leave out BPM and VORP, they should simply never be included. :)

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Ooops, typo there, the USG% for Player B should be 31.5%

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Haha

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It really comes down to defense, which is always hard to accurately quantify. The Lakers have been an elite defensive team so far, how much do they each contribute to that, and if Davis' is the bigger factor, is it enough to push him above LeBron?

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Anyone know if Draymond is playing tonight?

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VC is the GOAT Raptor.

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Mar 5, 2020Liked by punk basketball

Won't have to debate Curry vs Giannis if they're both on the same team for the next six years *taps temple*

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I see you've already blocked out the endless Curry vs Durant nonsense. I'm jealous. :)

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If Giannis signs an extension, I wouldn't even care. But seriously, I think Giannis in general has a more 'Warriorsy' demeanor than Durant (except when Harden insinuates that he has no skill).

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Mar 5, 2020Liked by punk basketball

Raptors stats:

Offense:

11 in points scored (113.0)

18 in points in paint (47.8)

2 in fastbreak points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (19.2)

12 in offensive efficiency

19 in shooting % (45.8%)

4 in three point % !!!!!!!!!!! (37.2%)

19 in two point % (51.9%)

22 in off. rebound % (21.9%)

24 in def. rebound % (76.0%)

18 in total rebound % (49.4%)

21 in opponent blocks (5.3)

8 in opponent steals!!!!! (7.0)

12 in assists (25.4)

13 in turnovers (14.5)

Defense:

1 in points allowed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (106.6)

2 in opponent points in paint!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (42.0)

8 in opponent fastbreak points!!!!! (12.4)

2 in defensive efficiency!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2 in opponent shooting % !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (42.9%)

1 in opponent three point % !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (33.9%)

4 in opponent two point % !!!!!!!!!!! (49.8%)

13 in blocks (5.0)

2 in steals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (8.8)

26 in opponent assists (25.5)

2 in opponent turnovers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (17.0)

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hahah this content is so good!!!

I like the videocast format MUCH more than I thought I would

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Mar 5, 2020Liked by punk basketball

So completely unrelated, but just something I've been thinking about. Is Giannis already better than peak-LeBron James ever was? As good as peak-LeBron was, I think Giannis is better on defense, might be better on offense, is a better rebounder, and plays in a more team-oriented way that does more to help his teammates be involved offensively...

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Well, as much as I haven't been a fan of LeBron's game, I'm tipping my cap to him this season. Guy is 35, playing at an MVP level, and taking a third team into the playoffs for a realistic shot at the title. I thought he was fading the last couple of years and might be done by now, but he's been outstanding.

I can't really compare him to Giannis one way or another. They're both great. If I could have one for the Ws, it would be Giannis, not only because he's younger but because I think he'd be more compatible with our core. Not that I'm holding my breath. Despite the rumors, that seems like wild speculation.

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All of this exactly. And I'll take it even hotter--he's definitely the league MVP this year! Though Giannis is putting up incredible numbers and doing it with a less sturdy backup cast, LeBron being dominant even after 17 years is kind of a better story, and the Greek Freak won last year anyway. Just like Westbrook's triple-double MVP, the narrative is kind of everything.

Also, though I've always been kind of annoyed with the in-your-face aspects of LeBron's game and stardom (especially against humbler stars like Curry or Tim Duncan), I gotta give it up to him for having just an amazing season. Compared to guys his age, his decline is--nonexistent???

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I find it interesting that you're actually advocating FOR the narrative being meaningful. Reality is the narrative does end up being a huge driver of the voting. But usually we talk about it like that's a bad thing. After all, narrative and valuable are different things. I find it silly that people let the narrative take over. I find it really curious that you're actually advocating for it, never really seen someone argue the story is what should matter before, I tend to view it as more of a subconscious thing. Do you care to elaborate?

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Whooo boy....well--it's sort of the same as how gt8god can't compare LeBron and Giannis--or how it's kind of ridiculous to argue LeBron vs Jordan, etc...it's all so subjective and, in the case of the regular-season MVP, also a bit silly to me--though not silly for the players, as I believe it impacts their supermax limits (not sure?).

But In the last five years, for example, only one regular-season MVP has won the title (you know who, you know when), and even when they do win, it's still just one among a few very very elite players, all of which are comparably phenomenal on a year-to-year basis. I think Curry is the best--but I'm a Dubs fan, so why wouldn't I? That's nothing but subjectivity, backed up by the stats that make my point the most.

Besides, what statistical, non-narrative metric actually works to define the MVP? There's so many things that go into it, and we all weight them differently--for example, PPG is important, but how important relative to RPM? And how much do we weigh defensive prowess in factoring the MVP, vs. crazy offensive skill? I'd argue LeBron's floor generaling is equal to Giannis' defense, and the most telling stat would really be their on vs. off the floor points per hundred possessions or something like that...since isn't that technically what makes the MVP, the one who's team hurts the most when they sit?

Basically, that's a debate that can go on endlessly, and still it's all essentially just opinion. Now in that case, why NOT let the narrative define the MVP more? If the collective narrative is 'woah that dude did some super amazing shit we've never seen before!!! MVP that guy!' what's really wrong with that, since it's really just collective opinion anyway? And by that logic, Westbrook earned his triple double MVP, Curry earned his unanimous, and LeBron earns a fuck-father-time win for being stoopid good when he was projected to be old and washed up. Besides, narrative is pretty much the thing that rules, so my prediction is as much a guess at what's likely as my own opinion as to who deserves it...

(Follow up to that last bit too, as far as narrative: Harden earned his win for being insanely good two years back--he was as good or better last and this year, but we're not even talking about him anymore, since the Greek Freak was ascending last year he was the story...this year he's doing the same, but LeBron is doing something new...)

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Thanks for the thoughts!

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I guess the corollary question that jumps at me is whether Giannis is already better than 73 win Curry?

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Unfortunately I don't think there's an actual debate there. Defense matters.

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Chris Paul, Kyle Lowry, Kevin Love and Paul Millsap were also arguably better on defense than Curry that year.

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Mar 5, 2020Liked by punk basketball

Lots of players were better than Curry on defense. But Giannis is so much better on D and at least in the same convo on O that there's really nothing to debate.

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He's in the same offensive convo as Steph73 the same way Lillard and Leonard were that year.

And when you say Giannis now, I assume you mean this year. Even last year I put Steph above Giannis. Steph's offense head and shoulders above Giannis.

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Another interesting thing I'd say is Giannis was actually probably a better offensive player last year - and I say that pretty much solely on his new willingness to shoot 3's, which at this point is a negative for him.

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If you think Lillard has ever been even close to the offensive player Giannis is right now man you're way underestimating how good Giannis is. 2015-2016 Kawhi also wasn't even remotely near current Giannis offensively.

Steph's offense vs Giannis' offense is a worthwhile conversation. But the difference is their offense is nowhere even remotely close to the difference in their D, plus Giannis adds rebounding+ridiculous versatility.

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From your perspective, sure, but from mine, if I have full clairvoyance about what they will become, and I am building a franchise around either Giannis or Steph at the start of their careers, I'm picking Steph 11 times out of 10.

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This seems to be a bit of a departure from the conversation...

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SHUT YR MOUTH

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you right :)

Actually I was kinda trolling. I'd say not only was that current substantially better than current GF, but last year Curry was better than him as well.

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I was being about 5% serious. I do kind of get bothered by all the endless drive to compare who is better, though. Statistics can be categorically analyzed. Beyond that, it's just all personal opinion.

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I would want to dive into the numbers a lot more, but just superficially? I absolutely would entertain the argument

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Digging the content is an understatement!

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I just watched/listened to it twice, back to back

Funniest parts:

-Raptors guy flashing that ring;

-Dr. Tom's utter disdain for Lowry ("He didn't give US the business!!")

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