They need to go out and get a proven veteran. Chriss can be used as a starter, IF there is no one else who exhibits the skill set that a good C should have. We loved Bogut, not because he was a scoring machine, but because he could defend the rim, pass, and change player's shots. His sheer size was daunting. Chriss is athletic and uses that to achieve results. The problem with not having a big with size is the bench. There is no one to defend the position on the bench. Bender is not a choice. Chriss is the option but only if they get someone via the draft, FA, or through trade. It is their biggest need!
Looney is undersized, slow, and always ailing. He has good D but limited minutes. We have to move on and now is the perfect time to do it. Without the big man, a backup scoring PG, and another SF backup, the Warriors will struggle to make the Finals.
The thing I was watching closely about Chriss for the last month or two before the season was canceled was: can he protect the rim?
To a surprising degree, the answer was yes. He didn't get backed down, he sometimes got beat on a clever move but didn't give up on the play and oftentimes his high leap and long arms meant he could contest the shot from behind or the side. I don't have the data, but the eye test says opposing teams shot fairly poorly in the paint with 'quese defending.
He also catches and slams a whole lot of lobs that seem unreasonable, which makes him a blast to watch, and gutsy passers like Draymond, Steph, Poole, and Bowman love to test that. When it works, it gets the whole team fired up and that's the best.
I'd love if his corner 3 or elbow jumper was David-West levels of reliable, but it's not there yet. As with all player development, you can't count on it to happen, but you can dream. And the improvement he's already shown says that he has the potential.
If all 3 of Looney, Green, and Chriss are healthy I think we're pretty well covered for the center position in most matchups. The only team I can think of where I worry that rotation isn't big enough is the Lakers, with the combination of Javale/Howard, AD, and Lebron. There are other big centers out there who could be a tough matchup, but none whose team provides a comparable overall threat level. (Jokic & the Nugs, maybe?)
If I were Bob Myers, I'd be spending more of my time digging for more wing and guard players, especially guys around 6'7" with solid ball-handling skills and respectable defense. But maybe I'm just trapped in the past, trying to recreate the previous championship teams that had Livingston and Iguodala, rather than trying to create the *next* championship team for a league that has evolved.
I'm all in on Chriss, he's young and teachable and we could see him grow before our eyes this year. I think he's better than other options we could get at the position, although I do think he's more of a 20-25mpg player max. But that's OK if we can get Loon back healthy (crossing fingers).
That's funny for me to see this thread this morning. I dreamed last night I was watching Marquese Chriss getting rebound after spectacular offense rebound and being completely unable to put it back. Then we drafted Wiseman, who was hot/cold. I feel like I saw the game on a little, vintage TV :)
I do not think Chriss is a starting Center, nor is he a 30mpg player on a championship team. Specifically, I do not think that team can have a championship level defense.
If we had the talent at the wings that we've had in the past, with KD/HB, Klay, Iguodala, and Livingston, then I think those teams could roll with Chriss at the starting spot. However, with the current talent at the wings, I do not believe the current Warriors can play small as much as the past iterations did.
The Warriors' starting wings are not good rebounders nor good with off-ball defense. The starting center needs to be a +rebounder and ++rimprotector. So despite Chriss seeing a drop in PFs per36 and an increase in BLKs per36 this year, I don't think it will be enough for Chriss to be in that ++rimprotector category.
I think Chriss can make a great change-of-pace smallball center, but ultimately Chriss can't be the #1 center on a championship team. If he develops a 3pt shot then I could see him as a 1B center, but the Warriors absolutely need a strong rim protector as the 1A center next year.
It seems I’m the only one to have noticed when Quese, shyly, said in an interview “Someone called. We just politely ignored them.”, talking about himself and his agent, about his waivers period, about the Celtics or the Grizzlies or whoever, we will never know whose call he said no thanks because he wanted BADLY to remain a Dub despite having been just waived. That’s motivation my friends, that’s the energy that allowed him to improve so much in a few months because he’s throwing all his qualities 100% in, and damn at 22 he’s got a whole career to throw in. That’s why people love him. In Italy we say “that jersey is tattooed on him”
If how he played in February and March is real...of course he could be. I think he can combine a lot of Looney's switchability, with Javale's finishing and rim protection. That's a really good regular season player and someone I don't think needs to get played off the floor in May and June.
Depends on what you mean by "championship center". Javale and Zaza were championship centers, but certainly not world beaters by any stretch. Chriss should be servicable enough to not be unplayable for a title contender, a la Javale/Zaza. So he's a championship center in that aspect
He doesn't need to be a stretch 5. If he can set screens, rebound, pass, shoot free throws and catch lobs, then he can be the guy for the job. Defense is their main issue right now. Allowing 120 points per game is atrocious.
Don't think so, no. But that's fine, Warriors just need him to be a backup big (ideally #3 behind Looney) in my opinion. The way I see it, they will probably get a 6'5-ish SG or something in the draft (just based on who is available, not because of drafting for need), and then perhaps the devaluation of centers will make someone available in a salary dump via the TPE, and then if possible find a wing with the MLE or whatever.
Then again, who really knows how the salary cap will be affected by this crisis plus the preseason Hong Kong stuff, maybe that plan is impossible.
They need to go out and get a proven veteran. Chriss can be used as a starter, IF there is no one else who exhibits the skill set that a good C should have. We loved Bogut, not because he was a scoring machine, but because he could defend the rim, pass, and change player's shots. His sheer size was daunting. Chriss is athletic and uses that to achieve results. The problem with not having a big with size is the bench. There is no one to defend the position on the bench. Bender is not a choice. Chriss is the option but only if they get someone via the draft, FA, or through trade. It is their biggest need!
Looney is undersized, slow, and always ailing. He has good D but limited minutes. We have to move on and now is the perfect time to do it. Without the big man, a backup scoring PG, and another SF backup, the Warriors will struggle to make the Finals.
If the salary cap drop isn’t smoothed could the Warriors benefit again due to their trade exception?
The thing I was watching closely about Chriss for the last month or two before the season was canceled was: can he protect the rim?
To a surprising degree, the answer was yes. He didn't get backed down, he sometimes got beat on a clever move but didn't give up on the play and oftentimes his high leap and long arms meant he could contest the shot from behind or the side. I don't have the data, but the eye test says opposing teams shot fairly poorly in the paint with 'quese defending.
He also catches and slams a whole lot of lobs that seem unreasonable, which makes him a blast to watch, and gutsy passers like Draymond, Steph, Poole, and Bowman love to test that. When it works, it gets the whole team fired up and that's the best.
I'd love if his corner 3 or elbow jumper was David-West levels of reliable, but it's not there yet. As with all player development, you can't count on it to happen, but you can dream. And the improvement he's already shown says that he has the potential.
If all 3 of Looney, Green, and Chriss are healthy I think we're pretty well covered for the center position in most matchups. The only team I can think of where I worry that rotation isn't big enough is the Lakers, with the combination of Javale/Howard, AD, and Lebron. There are other big centers out there who could be a tough matchup, but none whose team provides a comparable overall threat level. (Jokic & the Nugs, maybe?)
If I were Bob Myers, I'd be spending more of my time digging for more wing and guard players, especially guys around 6'7" with solid ball-handling skills and respectable defense. But maybe I'm just trapped in the past, trying to recreate the previous championship teams that had Livingston and Iguodala, rather than trying to create the *next* championship team for a league that has evolved.
Starting C, probably not. First big off the bench? most definitely.
He definitely can. And we should bring in Nerlens Noel to share the 5 spot with Chriss
I'm all in on Chriss, he's young and teachable and we could see him grow before our eyes this year. I think he's better than other options we could get at the position, although I do think he's more of a 20-25mpg player max. But that's OK if we can get Loon back healthy (crossing fingers).
That's funny for me to see this thread this morning. I dreamed last night I was watching Marquese Chriss getting rebound after spectacular offense rebound and being completely unable to put it back. Then we drafted Wiseman, who was hot/cold. I feel like I saw the game on a little, vintage TV :)
I do not think Chriss is a starting Center, nor is he a 30mpg player on a championship team. Specifically, I do not think that team can have a championship level defense.
If we had the talent at the wings that we've had in the past, with KD/HB, Klay, Iguodala, and Livingston, then I think those teams could roll with Chriss at the starting spot. However, with the current talent at the wings, I do not believe the current Warriors can play small as much as the past iterations did.
The Warriors' starting wings are not good rebounders nor good with off-ball defense. The starting center needs to be a +rebounder and ++rimprotector. So despite Chriss seeing a drop in PFs per36 and an increase in BLKs per36 this year, I don't think it will be enough for Chriss to be in that ++rimprotector category.
I think Chriss can make a great change-of-pace smallball center, but ultimately Chriss can't be the #1 center on a championship team. If he develops a 3pt shot then I could see him as a 1B center, but the Warriors absolutely need a strong rim protector as the 1A center next year.
It seems I’m the only one to have noticed when Quese, shyly, said in an interview “Someone called. We just politely ignored them.”, talking about himself and his agent, about his waivers period, about the Celtics or the Grizzlies or whoever, we will never know whose call he said no thanks because he wanted BADLY to remain a Dub despite having been just waived. That’s motivation my friends, that’s the energy that allowed him to improve so much in a few months because he’s throwing all his qualities 100% in, and damn at 22 he’s got a whole career to throw in. That’s why people love him. In Italy we say “that jersey is tattooed on him”
If how he played in February and March is real...of course he could be. I think he can combine a lot of Looney's switchability, with Javale's finishing and rim protection. That's a really good regular season player and someone I don't think needs to get played off the floor in May and June.
Yes, with a lot of work, on the Dubs only, with Steph, Dray, Klay as 3 starters of the other 4 starters.
Depends on what you mean by "championship center". Javale and Zaza were championship centers, but certainly not world beaters by any stretch. Chriss should be servicable enough to not be unplayable for a title contender, a la Javale/Zaza. So he's a championship center in that aspect
He's young enough, smart enough and athletic enough. Give the Warriors a few more years working with him. It's a test of them as well as him.
He doesn't need to be a stretch 5. If he can set screens, rebound, pass, shoot free throws and catch lobs, then he can be the guy for the job. Defense is their main issue right now. Allowing 120 points per game is atrocious.
No
Don't think so, no. But that's fine, Warriors just need him to be a backup big (ideally #3 behind Looney) in my opinion. The way I see it, they will probably get a 6'5-ish SG or something in the draft (just based on who is available, not because of drafting for need), and then perhaps the devaluation of centers will make someone available in a salary dump via the TPE, and then if possible find a wing with the MLE or whatever.
Then again, who really knows how the salary cap will be affected by this crisis plus the preseason Hong Kong stuff, maybe that plan is impossible.