The too many rookie issue ... is not an issue 'cuz you don't have to play them all together at the same time.
Curry-Klay-Wiggs-Dray & Wiseman. 4 vets with a young guy on the floor. Substitute Moody or Kuminga for Wiseman for different looks, still have 4 vets on the floor who can manage things.
A second unit of Poole-Moody-OPJ-Belly-Loon gives you fast maturing Poole, 3 savvy vets & Moody mostly hunting open 3s, tasked to play good team defense.
You can get all the rookies good minutes because (once Klay returns) you will have enough vets to fill out the rotations. In crunch time in big games, JTA, Lee, Looney come to bat.
Point is, there is room for these guys to play and develop so long as you have enough veterans to surround them with. By my count: Steph, Klay, Dray, Wiggs, Loon, Belly, OPJ, & add guys who know the system, Poole, Lee & JTA. That's 10. Could we use 1 more? Absolutely. Would the fans of any other team in the league be complaining that they had 3 lottery picks at the end of their bench? I am not willing to accept last year as a comparison because we lost Klay & Chriss (2 starters by the way) right out of the gate. Covid and a rash of other injuries made the year wonky. So the narrative around winning and developing seems a little too tied up in a weird year, although it is recognized (by GSW FO as well) that Warriors mishandled situations plenty. Looking forward to a little more sanity this year and a much stronger approach to walking and chewing gum at the same time.
I think getting Wiseman extended run in the G league could be really good for him. He has never truly dominated a high-level league since he missed most of college and his EYBL high school stuff wasn't dominant. He'll still be facing some savvy vets who have counters to his awesome athleticism. Plus, just seeing him dominate will be good for his value and his confidence. And if he doesn't dominate, well at least he isn't dragging down the big team doing so.
The warriors selection of Kuminga and Moody was fortunate from a talent perspective (I’m irrationally high on both of them), but doubly so from an asset perspective: the Dubs started draft night with #7 and #14, and ended it with 2 top 10 picks.
Also, per BR (which, blegh, but whatever), the Philly situation is deteriorating and Morey may be inclined to pull the trigger for a less-than-optimum return.
We all agree that 7, 14, Wise, Wiggs, and 2 future firsts was a rip off. But I am wondering if because of the change in our asset value and Simmon’s situation a less expensive deal may be possible.
Three questions: 1) do you, at some level, have an interest in Simmons; 2) what would you give up for him (ignore what Philly would take, this I strictly “what is he worth to you”); 3) do you think us having Kuminga and Moody and Simmons pouting puts us in a position to not just buy low on him but buy with leverage on his front office.
since I have no clue what I think, here are random situations below:
Well, hmm. I'm less down on Simmons than others, but I am concerned about him on the floor with Draymond unless a high scoring center is added to the team. Somebody has to score the points. And Simmons' free throw shooting is terrifying.
But - his salary and length of contract are also significant issues that is important. A deal like this can only happen if the Warriors can decrease their total expenditure and still have a viable set of starters. Wiggins' and Simmons' salaries are pretty close so a swap can work, but a one for one trade would not since they don't play the same position.
So my guess is that a deal with any remote possibility of happening is going to look a lot more complicated than these ideas. Many other players will move, likely involving other teams as well. Imagine the W's giving up 3 players and a 2nd round draft pick, getting 3 other players (2 from Phi and one from some other team) and some cash relief. It's a big puzzle but likely that's the kind of deal that would happen.
At this point I think the likelihood of this is pretty close to zero. But there's a guy in the Warriors' FO playing with spreadsheets trying to cook up deals like this.
I'm more in line to keep our guys and see what they've got.
That said.
If you flip Wiggins, and some combo of the young guys the Warriors are pretty nicely set up roster wise. There'd be so much great shooting around him. Steph, Klay, Poole, Lee, OPJ, Bjelica, JTA.
And as much as it would be a tricky (bad) fit on offense with Dray, it would also be ferocious defensively. It could easily be a 60+ win team next year, and the question would just be whether that Dray/Simmons pairing can be figured out come playoff time.
I will say I'm a little higher on Simmons than some here. We've seen how two non-shooters in the lineup can work with Dray/Loon and Dray/Iggy and the answer is still really good for the regular season and until the Raptors, it worked in the playoffs. I also don't completely buy Wiggins as a shooter or premier defender yet. I would do #2 (and #1) above. I probably would not do #3, and I certainly wouldn't add more picks.
I’ve arrived here. I’ve listened to all the proposals and none of them please both my brain and my heart.
Also, I’ve already fallen, rationally or otherwise, for our new shiny rookies. Part of it is they’re not just “7 &14” but actual people, but the bigger deal is Kuminga might be something extra special. Even if he doesn’t develop a big outside game, his ability to get downhill is elite.
I'm very excited for Kuminga to play against real NBA players and see what actually translates... and I'm irrationally expecting quite a bit to translate. Some part of the Warriors' staff needs to spend their next 2+ months figuring out a role where he can be successful this year, cuz I'm convinced he's going to be impactful in some small role.
For me, it's no Wiseman, no Kuminga, which basically means no deal. If by some tiny chance Philly is desperate enough to do a deal around Wiggins, Moody, and even two future firsts (lottery protected), I'm down. But seems like a .00001 percent chance that Morey would even entertain that.
You liked the team’s performance with Wiseman and Steph on the floor together that much last year?
The only reason I want a Simmons trade to happen is to keep Wiseman away from Steph and Klay.
Simmons+Steph+Klay is an incredible 3 player combo. Swap Wiseman’s bring a double to Steph and slip the screen to run at the rim and those three are pretty sad unless Wiseman changes his mindset.
No 3 is a no go, as is 2. No way I’m giving up Wiseman and Kuminga. 1 is closer, but probably not. If I had some assurance that Simmons would play the 5 I’d be inclined to pull the trigger on Wigs plus another young asset but not JK.
Nay to all three. Maybe I’m suffering from prisoner of the moment mentality, but dude… Simmons is literally a zero when it comes to shooting which means he can ball in the regular season and then is a huge liability in the playoffs. I’m good on that if he’s getting paid what he is. It’s just putting so much finite resources into a player who’s almost for sure not helping you win meaningful basketball. Then getting rid of AW and Kuminga? Lol there’s just no way I do that.
Might have to pull the trigger on Wiggs + Kuminga, but that's all. The advantage to bringing Simmons in is that our core is 30+ and our future core is 20-. Simmons is 25, I think, and would bridge the age gap between the old guard and the young guard. But let's be serious. Morey isn't going to do a deal with GSW that doesn't get back max value. He's lost enough to the Warriors on the court, he's not going to lose Simmons for peanuts. Despite how tantalizing getting Simmons sounds, he is an All NBA level player and he isn't going to get traded for nothing just because he turned off his phone and he is pouting 'cuz he wasn't applauded for choking in the playoffs. After winning 3 chips and having nearly zero draft capital between 2013-2018, we still have one of the best 3-man cores in the league + Mr. Lovable Looney & local hero JTA, add to that the young guns:
Jordan Poole & 3 Lottery Picks! That is insane good fortune. Just imagine what this team could look like in 2 years. Then 3? Simmons? I can't see trading away so much potential for a guy who passed up a dunk in the 4th quarter of a playoff game because he didn't want to shoot free throws. (But yes, I did think about it)
Agreed across the board. I think the team has a shot at being really good for a long time with the 4 youngsters. We’ve got a window of like 3 years until we get there. During that time we can compete if the core remains healthy. But I’m not giving up some or all of that future w/o significant immediate upside. And, Simmons likely ain’t that.
Happy to see Warriors organization practicing a little fiscal responsibility. Winning is great, but not by being the NBA's version of the Dodgers or Yankees. Losing the trade exception for Oubre ok, too, if you consider we now have 3 lottery scale rookie contracts, and these aren't cheap. On the court ...
Steph-Klay-Dray-Wiggs: can we please see that group together on the court at the same time already?!
Poole: the first of many rising stars. (or starter level potential)
Lee, JTA & Loon: the ultimate system / glue guys off the bench.
OPJ & Belly: experienced vet rotation players.
Wiseman, Kuminga & Moody: all 3 should be on the same workout schedule as Poole. Follow his lead. The sky is the limit with these guys.
GP II & Nico: will one of you gain enough trust from Kerr to play regular minutes?
Seems like Bob is playing out Free agency waiting to see if he can snatch a diamond in the rough (Millsap on a minimum, etc) before ultimately adding a Chriss or Iggy or both if you call Iggy your backup PG from the point forward position (basically, the same role he played before)
Looks like you can walk and chew gum at the same time. This is going to be a very entertaining season. Considering the needs to reign in the salary a bit and make it clear to fandom the philosophical direction of the team (not to mention Curry extension), I would call the offseason a resounding success.
With free agency winding down I’m pretty happy with how things have gone. With our existing commitments we had huge limitations. Somehow managed to sign two rookies with excellent potential. We have good young guns (Poole, Lee, JTA) who learned the system last year and can still improve. Our core is great. Wiseman is a work in progress, almost certain to continue growing (skill wise). Fantasies aside, we signed some solid, reliable free agents.
Oubre - we signed the guy for a year, he underperformed and didn’t fit the team, and now he’s off to Charlotte. We could never spend the mega cash to re-sign him, just didn’t make sense. Soon to be just a dim memory. Bazemore and Paschal were ok but not going to move the needle.
And we still have the biggest payroll in the NBA. The only way to change that is to flush the core (Steph, Dray, Green, Wiggins) - which I’m sure everyone here would hate even more.
My bar for the team to cross is more fun than last year all season long, and some playoff excitement. I guess I’m not a ‘ring or failure’ guy. Barring a rash of injuries this year’s team will be better than last year’s.
I don't think Oubre screwed us over. I think he has an inflated idea of his value, and some of his remarks showed immaturity/poor judgement. But whatever, the guy wasn't happy here, and he moved on. Luck to him.
Could you imagine the Barbosa-Messi-Steph warm up sequence? Rather than it ending in a Steph corner 3, it would end in full court bank kick-shot from Lionel
Surprisingly satisfied with this off-season. I was actually higher on Oubre than most BUT also knew re-signing him at this point was a bit of a pipe dream. Saying all that the reason I'm not disappointed is because the FO at least gave themselves a chance at potentially re-signing him. Remember Oubre started to get himself into a bit of a groove before he sprained his wrist.
Ideally I'd like a backup ball handler and Chris's back but I'd be ok with going into the season with the current roster construct. Wiseman alone didn't appeal as much but when you consider we've got two other talented under 20s then as a collective it's exciting. I would have loved Mitchell and Garuba but understand the logic behind these picks.
One issue I could see with having both Wiseman and Kuminga is if both project as bigs, it'd be harder to package them in a trade (or have them on the same team).
But hopefully Kuminga develops that Jaylen Brown jumper and it won't matter.
I feel like kuminga is going to be more playable than wiseman was as a rookie. Not as much defensive responsibilities since he's not the center and he can just slash and be a menace on defense.
Also: how did Kuminga suddenly become a center who cannot possibly play alongside a big man? Dude is an athletic 6-8 wing who locks down little guys on the perimeter with ease. How did his upside comp go from Jaylen Brown / Kawhi to Shaq?
Minus maybe Iggy and Chriss, that wraps up FA, and likely the offseason. Swing and a miss on the TPMLE, swing and a miss on the Oubre S&T, swing and a miss on a trade for a star. Also taking Kuminga and keeping Wiseman. I have not been a fan of this offseason as a whole.
That said, Otto Porter for minimum is an A+. Moody at 14 was an A+. Bjelica was a B. Overall grade for me is probably a C/C-. I think we're about the same as last year with a little bit of upside hope if Klay returns how KD returned.
I actually liked last offseason better but I was dead wrong about Wanamaker and Oubre. Maybe I'm dead wrong about Kuminga and Wiseman and they both become rotational pieces.
Respectfully, I think your disappointment comes from unrealistic expectations. The team was presented with some ridiculous trade demands and made the smart move by turning them down. On FA, the team has zero flexibility given the $120 mm invested in the top 4 and the salary cap tax situation; that’s simply the cost of 5 sublime years of championship basketball which I submit we all just have to accept. So, the FO made the most of what it had while still retaining the ability for one more move. On the draft, we’ll just have to wait and see. Personally, I’m pretty excited about our 4 youngsters.
It was certainly a hard situation. We can't make Batum, Patty, or Danny Green sign for our TPMLE. Unfortunately though, without the talent infusion, I think we're not true contenders. This next 2-3 years may be the only time for the rest of our lives we have a player as good as Steph in his near-prime on the roster. These years are absolutely precious. And spending another year as a pretender rather than a contender is galling regardless of limitations.
"swing and a miss on the Oubre S&T" An Oubre S&T would only work financially if we could get a TPE instead of taking back salary, and that would be a very tough deal to swing. I for one did not expect it. "swing and a miss on a trade for a star" Sometimes the best deals are the ones you don't make — like hugely overpaying for Ben Simmons, especially, but even for Bradley Beal. We have three All Stars, and Wiggins is a solid two-way starter. I think you're wrong about both Kuminga and Wiseman but time will tell. I agree about Porter, Moody, and Bjelica. I think the offseason was a solid B and if the two rookies really take off, it's better than that.
I didn't hate any of the individual moves (except taking Kuminga over Wagner), but the overall philosophy doesn't make sense to me. Felt like it was clear that they needed a playmaking guard and a starting center, but they didn't add either guy. After Bazemore's shocking exit (combined with Oubre's) I felt like it was a pretty desperate situation for some ballhandler defense, but they didn't address it (unless they get Schroeder?). I guess we're going to hope for internal improvement to fix the terrible team rebounding since they lost one of their better rebounders in Oubre?
I felt like "not enough shooting" was a surface level analysis of what went wrong last season but I felt like that was the FO's analysis. But I dunno, maybe Year 2 Wiseman is a monster and Klay comes back looking really spry and the rebounding and ballhandler defense issues are non-issues and the team just has to get another playmaker and they'll be fine (although they don't have an Oubre TPE to do it anymore). It's a lot of pressure on both players, unreasonable amounts of pressure imo, but we'll see.
Sneakily, OPJ, Kuminga, and Moody are all quite good rebounders. It's probably not enough to make us a good rebounding team unless we have Steph/Moody/OPJ/Dray/Looney on the floor.
Unfortunately, say what you will about LAL, but Westbrook/Baze/Lebron/AD/Howard might be the best rebounding lineup of all time. Baze has the fewest of that group and he's still at 6+ per 36. Rebounding will be a major, major issue for us against them.
God I hope so lol, the rookies both being really good is probably their easiest path forward at this point.
And for what it's worth, Kuminga ended up being my second choice. Clearly Moody wasn't the right pick at 7 if he was there at 14. I'm glad they took Kuminga instead of Bouknight or Mitchell.
I think this was a pretty good FA. Very good draft plus two pretty good pickups. Idk about a lot of you but I wasn't expecting a S&T or any trade for a star. Sucks about the TPMLE but there's still a buyout season to be had, I think there's a better chance of getting something good then
We've done this ride before. We didn't use the MLE last year, but wait for buyout season. We didn't use the DPE, but wait for buyout/trade season. We let both expire. Now we didn't use the MLE and we didn't get a TPE. It's putting a lot of eggs in the basket of a buyout guy seeing our potential and also wanting extra money for the half year. They're almost certainly gonna go to the Nets, Bucks, or Lakers otherwise.
That's true about buyout season, although if they aren't "in the mix" in the standings after a Klay-less first half of the season I don't know if the top guys will be considering them anyway.
Someone contact Jerry Rice and get him to bring OPJ to the hill. Need that guy to be in the best shape of his life come training camp lol.
This team is way more talented and the present version of this franchise is a million-times better at drafting/developing players than those early aughts teams. This Just a friendly reminder to all the previous tortured, prone to PSTD fellow dubs fans :)
Reggie's the dream but I doubt he comes here. Clips saved his career and I bet they're waiting to finish Kawhi's extension before they put his contract together
That would actually be pretty hilarious, imo. I’d feel sad for old time’s sake to see him in that uni, but I’d LOL at the “LA antique store” adding another washed name brand.
This should be it:
Roster:
Curry, Poole, Iguodala
Thompson, Moody, Lee
Wiggins, Porter, Kuminga
Green, JTA, Bjelica
Looney, Wiseman, Chriss
Two-way:
Nico, Dawtin or Mawugbe
The too many rookie issue ... is not an issue 'cuz you don't have to play them all together at the same time.
Curry-Klay-Wiggs-Dray & Wiseman. 4 vets with a young guy on the floor. Substitute Moody or Kuminga for Wiseman for different looks, still have 4 vets on the floor who can manage things.
A second unit of Poole-Moody-OPJ-Belly-Loon gives you fast maturing Poole, 3 savvy vets & Moody mostly hunting open 3s, tasked to play good team defense.
You can get all the rookies good minutes because (once Klay returns) you will have enough vets to fill out the rotations. In crunch time in big games, JTA, Lee, Looney come to bat.
Point is, there is room for these guys to play and develop so long as you have enough veterans to surround them with. By my count: Steph, Klay, Dray, Wiggs, Loon, Belly, OPJ, & add guys who know the system, Poole, Lee & JTA. That's 10. Could we use 1 more? Absolutely. Would the fans of any other team in the league be complaining that they had 3 lottery picks at the end of their bench? I am not willing to accept last year as a comparison because we lost Klay & Chriss (2 starters by the way) right out of the gate. Covid and a rash of other injuries made the year wonky. So the narrative around winning and developing seems a little too tied up in a weird year, although it is recognized (by GSW FO as well) that Warriors mishandled situations plenty. Looking forward to a little more sanity this year and a much stronger approach to walking and chewing gum at the same time.
I’m also totally fine with the rookies and even Wiseman getting long run in the G league. Worked for Poole, JTA, and Lee.
Do they have the centers to let Wiseman get extended run in the G League?
Yes
Right now, no. If they got Chriss, yes.
If Wiseman is needing it, they need to give it to him and just run with Looney/Bjelica/Dray and pick up a 10-day contract as needed.
I think getting Wiseman extended run in the G league could be really good for him. He has never truly dominated a high-level league since he missed most of college and his EYBL high school stuff wasn't dominant. He'll still be facing some savvy vets who have counters to his awesome athleticism. Plus, just seeing him dominate will be good for his value and his confidence. And if he doesn't dominate, well at least he isn't dragging down the big team doing so.
It should really be part of the plan for them to go get some time in G League.
We could even do an ALL SHOOOOTERS second unit of Poole-Moody-Lee-OPJ-BJelly…
In the past, those ALL SHOOTERS lineup have had no defense, but Lee, Moody and OPJ’s ability to get some stops makes that interesting.
The warriors selection of Kuminga and Moody was fortunate from a talent perspective (I’m irrationally high on both of them), but doubly so from an asset perspective: the Dubs started draft night with #7 and #14, and ended it with 2 top 10 picks.
Also, per BR (which, blegh, but whatever), the Philly situation is deteriorating and Morey may be inclined to pull the trigger for a less-than-optimum return.
We all agree that 7, 14, Wise, Wiggs, and 2 future firsts was a rip off. But I am wondering if because of the change in our asset value and Simmon’s situation a less expensive deal may be possible.
Three questions: 1) do you, at some level, have an interest in Simmons; 2) what would you give up for him (ignore what Philly would take, this I strictly “what is he worth to you”); 3) do you think us having Kuminga and Moody and Simmons pouting puts us in a position to not just buy low on him but buy with leverage on his front office.
since I have no clue what I think, here are random situations below:
1) Wiggs, Kuminga — yay or nay
2) Wiggs, Kuminga, Wiseman — yay or nay
3) Wiggs, Kuminga, Moody, Wiseman — yay or nay
Well, hmm. I'm less down on Simmons than others, but I am concerned about him on the floor with Draymond unless a high scoring center is added to the team. Somebody has to score the points. And Simmons' free throw shooting is terrifying.
But - his salary and length of contract are also significant issues that is important. A deal like this can only happen if the Warriors can decrease their total expenditure and still have a viable set of starters. Wiggins' and Simmons' salaries are pretty close so a swap can work, but a one for one trade would not since they don't play the same position.
So my guess is that a deal with any remote possibility of happening is going to look a lot more complicated than these ideas. Many other players will move, likely involving other teams as well. Imagine the W's giving up 3 players and a 2nd round draft pick, getting 3 other players (2 from Phi and one from some other team) and some cash relief. It's a big puzzle but likely that's the kind of deal that would happen.
At this point I think the likelihood of this is pretty close to zero. But there's a guy in the Warriors' FO playing with spreadsheets trying to cook up deals like this.
One thing to remember about Simmons: Smallball = looks like potential MVP. With Embiid = pile of garbage.
Not sure a scoring center is the primary driver for Simmons success. Draymond might actually be perfect for Simmons.
I'm more in line to keep our guys and see what they've got.
That said.
If you flip Wiggins, and some combo of the young guys the Warriors are pretty nicely set up roster wise. There'd be so much great shooting around him. Steph, Klay, Poole, Lee, OPJ, Bjelica, JTA.
And as much as it would be a tricky (bad) fit on offense with Dray, it would also be ferocious defensively. It could easily be a 60+ win team next year, and the question would just be whether that Dray/Simmons pairing can be figured out come playoff time.
I will say I'm a little higher on Simmons than some here. We've seen how two non-shooters in the lineup can work with Dray/Loon and Dray/Iggy and the answer is still really good for the regular season and until the Raptors, it worked in the playoffs. I also don't completely buy Wiggins as a shooter or premier defender yet. I would do #2 (and #1) above. I probably would not do #3, and I certainly wouldn't add more picks.
Wiggs+Wiseman for Simmons+Philly top 10 protected pick.
1. Nay.
2. Hell to the nay.
3. #%!*#!
Heck, Wiggins alone is probably nay for me when you factor in sentimentality and fit with Draymond.
I’ve arrived here. I’ve listened to all the proposals and none of them please both my brain and my heart.
Also, I’ve already fallen, rationally or otherwise, for our new shiny rookies. Part of it is they’re not just “7 &14” but actual people, but the bigger deal is Kuminga might be something extra special. Even if he doesn’t develop a big outside game, his ability to get downhill is elite.
I'm very excited for Kuminga to play against real NBA players and see what actually translates... and I'm irrationally expecting quite a bit to translate. Some part of the Warriors' staff needs to spend their next 2+ months figuring out a role where he can be successful this year, cuz I'm convinced he's going to be impactful in some small role.
For me, it's no Wiseman, no Kuminga, which basically means no deal. If by some tiny chance Philly is desperate enough to do a deal around Wiggins, Moody, and even two future firsts (lottery protected), I'm down. But seems like a .00001 percent chance that Morey would even entertain that.
You liked the team’s performance with Wiseman and Steph on the floor together that much last year?
The only reason I want a Simmons trade to happen is to keep Wiseman away from Steph and Klay.
Simmons+Steph+Klay is an incredible 3 player combo. Swap Wiseman’s bring a double to Steph and slip the screen to run at the rim and those three are pretty sad unless Wiseman changes his mindset.
No 3 is a no go, as is 2. No way I’m giving up Wiseman and Kuminga. 1 is closer, but probably not. If I had some assurance that Simmons would play the 5 I’d be inclined to pull the trigger on Wigs plus another young asset but not JK.
Nay to all three. Maybe I’m suffering from prisoner of the moment mentality, but dude… Simmons is literally a zero when it comes to shooting which means he can ball in the regular season and then is a huge liability in the playoffs. I’m good on that if he’s getting paid what he is. It’s just putting so much finite resources into a player who’s almost for sure not helping you win meaningful basketball. Then getting rid of AW and Kuminga? Lol there’s just no way I do that.
Might have to pull the trigger on Wiggs + Kuminga, but that's all. The advantage to bringing Simmons in is that our core is 30+ and our future core is 20-. Simmons is 25, I think, and would bridge the age gap between the old guard and the young guard. But let's be serious. Morey isn't going to do a deal with GSW that doesn't get back max value. He's lost enough to the Warriors on the court, he's not going to lose Simmons for peanuts. Despite how tantalizing getting Simmons sounds, he is an All NBA level player and he isn't going to get traded for nothing just because he turned off his phone and he is pouting 'cuz he wasn't applauded for choking in the playoffs. After winning 3 chips and having nearly zero draft capital between 2013-2018, we still have one of the best 3-man cores in the league + Mr. Lovable Looney & local hero JTA, add to that the young guns:
Jordan Poole & 3 Lottery Picks! That is insane good fortune. Just imagine what this team could look like in 2 years. Then 3? Simmons? I can't see trading away so much potential for a guy who passed up a dunk in the 4th quarter of a playoff game because he didn't want to shoot free throws. (But yes, I did think about it)
Agreed across the board. I think the team has a shot at being really good for a long time with the 4 youngsters. We’ve got a window of like 3 years until we get there. During that time we can compete if the core remains healthy. But I’m not giving up some or all of that future w/o significant immediate upside. And, Simmons likely ain’t that.
depending on the rookie salaries there’s some finagling to do, but assume whomever we get back is truly not a needle mover in any way.
Happy to see Warriors organization practicing a little fiscal responsibility. Winning is great, but not by being the NBA's version of the Dodgers or Yankees. Losing the trade exception for Oubre ok, too, if you consider we now have 3 lottery scale rookie contracts, and these aren't cheap. On the court ...
Steph-Klay-Dray-Wiggs: can we please see that group together on the court at the same time already?!
Poole: the first of many rising stars. (or starter level potential)
Lee, JTA & Loon: the ultimate system / glue guys off the bench.
OPJ & Belly: experienced vet rotation players.
Wiseman, Kuminga & Moody: all 3 should be on the same workout schedule as Poole. Follow his lead. The sky is the limit with these guys.
GP II & Nico: will one of you gain enough trust from Kerr to play regular minutes?
Seems like Bob is playing out Free agency waiting to see if he can snatch a diamond in the rough (Millsap on a minimum, etc) before ultimately adding a Chriss or Iggy or both if you call Iggy your backup PG from the point forward position (basically, the same role he played before)
Looks like you can walk and chew gum at the same time. This is going to be a very entertaining season. Considering the needs to reign in the salary a bit and make it clear to fandom the philosophical direction of the team (not to mention Curry extension), I would call the offseason a resounding success.
Any chance cousins comeback to warriors. Or is Chriss better?
Should bring Cousins back as the play making backup point guard everyone is pining for! lol
With free agency winding down I’m pretty happy with how things have gone. With our existing commitments we had huge limitations. Somehow managed to sign two rookies with excellent potential. We have good young guns (Poole, Lee, JTA) who learned the system last year and can still improve. Our core is great. Wiseman is a work in progress, almost certain to continue growing (skill wise). Fantasies aside, we signed some solid, reliable free agents.
Oubre - we signed the guy for a year, he underperformed and didn’t fit the team, and now he’s off to Charlotte. We could never spend the mega cash to re-sign him, just didn’t make sense. Soon to be just a dim memory. Bazemore and Paschal were ok but not going to move the needle.
And we still have the biggest payroll in the NBA. The only way to change that is to flush the core (Steph, Dray, Green, Wiggins) - which I’m sure everyone here would hate even more.
My bar for the team to cross is more fun than last year all season long, and some playoff excitement. I guess I’m not a ‘ring or failure’ guy. Barring a rash of injuries this year’s team will be better than last year’s.
We were screwed over by Oubre and the rules of S&T , now Lacob, Myers, go get Reggie please! 🙏🏼
Oubre doesn't owe anything to anybody. Best of luck to him in Charlotte
We were saved from an awkward half season by the Hornets! Curry’s home town team coming through in the clutch.
I am thrilled with the current state of affairs and will be over the moon with a Chriss signing or Iguodala for that matter.
The Warriors weren’t that far away last year and next year is looking brighter.
I don't think Oubre screwed us over. I think he has an inflated idea of his value, and some of his remarks showed immaturity/poor judgement. But whatever, the guy wasn't happy here, and he moved on. Luck to him.
Paul Milsap is still listed as a UFA. Sure, he is 36 but how much risk is there on a 1 year vet min deal?
Can we sign Messi? I think he could play PG....
too many kicked ball violations.
Could you imagine the Barbosa-Messi-Steph warm up sequence? Rather than it ending in a Steph corner 3, it would end in full court bank kick-shot from Lionel
Not bringing in Chriss would be a big mistake ain't he like 24? Dude still has a ton of potential
Just turned 24 last month. He’s younger than Chris Duarte.
Last full season (per 36 minutes)
16.5 points on .604 true shooting
11.0 rebounds
3.4 assists
1.2 steals
1.9 blocks
Sign. The. Man.
Surprisingly satisfied with this off-season. I was actually higher on Oubre than most BUT also knew re-signing him at this point was a bit of a pipe dream. Saying all that the reason I'm not disappointed is because the FO at least gave themselves a chance at potentially re-signing him. Remember Oubre started to get himself into a bit of a groove before he sprained his wrist.
Ideally I'd like a backup ball handler and Chris's back but I'd be ok with going into the season with the current roster construct. Wiseman alone didn't appeal as much but when you consider we've got two other talented under 20s then as a collective it's exciting. I would have loved Mitchell and Garuba but understand the logic behind these picks.
One issue I could see with having both Wiseman and Kuminga is if both project as bigs, it'd be harder to package them in a trade (or have them on the same team).
But hopefully Kuminga develops that Jaylen Brown jumper and it won't matter.
I feel like kuminga is going to be more playable than wiseman was as a rookie. Not as much defensive responsibilities since he's not the center and he can just slash and be a menace on defense.
You can usually find a 3rd team to take a good player to turn one of the bigs into a guard.
Or, better yet, not package them and end up with two stars for the next decade.
Word.
Also: how did Kuminga suddenly become a center who cannot possibly play alongside a big man? Dude is an athletic 6-8 wing who locks down little guys on the perimeter with ease. How did his upside comp go from Jaylen Brown / Kawhi to Shaq?
Just like ADs t-shirt prior to forcing his way out of NO, That’s All Folks.
I think FA is done for us. Looking forward to seeing these guys take the court together.
Minus maybe Iggy and Chriss, that wraps up FA, and likely the offseason. Swing and a miss on the TPMLE, swing and a miss on the Oubre S&T, swing and a miss on a trade for a star. Also taking Kuminga and keeping Wiseman. I have not been a fan of this offseason as a whole.
That said, Otto Porter for minimum is an A+. Moody at 14 was an A+. Bjelica was a B. Overall grade for me is probably a C/C-. I think we're about the same as last year with a little bit of upside hope if Klay returns how KD returned.
I actually liked last offseason better but I was dead wrong about Wanamaker and Oubre. Maybe I'm dead wrong about Kuminga and Wiseman and they both become rotational pieces.
Respectfully, I think your disappointment comes from unrealistic expectations. The team was presented with some ridiculous trade demands and made the smart move by turning them down. On FA, the team has zero flexibility given the $120 mm invested in the top 4 and the salary cap tax situation; that’s simply the cost of 5 sublime years of championship basketball which I submit we all just have to accept. So, the FO made the most of what it had while still retaining the ability for one more move. On the draft, we’ll just have to wait and see. Personally, I’m pretty excited about our 4 youngsters.
It was certainly a hard situation. We can't make Batum, Patty, or Danny Green sign for our TPMLE. Unfortunately though, without the talent infusion, I think we're not true contenders. This next 2-3 years may be the only time for the rest of our lives we have a player as good as Steph in his near-prime on the roster. These years are absolutely precious. And spending another year as a pretender rather than a contender is galling regardless of limitations.
"swing and a miss on the Oubre S&T" An Oubre S&T would only work financially if we could get a TPE instead of taking back salary, and that would be a very tough deal to swing. I for one did not expect it. "swing and a miss on a trade for a star" Sometimes the best deals are the ones you don't make — like hugely overpaying for Ben Simmons, especially, but even for Bradley Beal. We have three All Stars, and Wiggins is a solid two-way starter. I think you're wrong about both Kuminga and Wiseman but time will tell. I agree about Porter, Moody, and Bjelica. I think the offseason was a solid B and if the two rookies really take off, it's better than that.
I think OPJ health is a bigger swing factor than the rookies
Agreed. But then that's why we could get him for the vet minimum.
I didn't hate any of the individual moves (except taking Kuminga over Wagner), but the overall philosophy doesn't make sense to me. Felt like it was clear that they needed a playmaking guard and a starting center, but they didn't add either guy. After Bazemore's shocking exit (combined with Oubre's) I felt like it was a pretty desperate situation for some ballhandler defense, but they didn't address it (unless they get Schroeder?). I guess we're going to hope for internal improvement to fix the terrible team rebounding since they lost one of their better rebounders in Oubre?
I felt like "not enough shooting" was a surface level analysis of what went wrong last season but I felt like that was the FO's analysis. But I dunno, maybe Year 2 Wiseman is a monster and Klay comes back looking really spry and the rebounding and ballhandler defense issues are non-issues and the team just has to get another playmaker and they'll be fine (although they don't have an Oubre TPE to do it anymore). It's a lot of pressure on both players, unreasonable amounts of pressure imo, but we'll see.
Sneakily, OPJ, Kuminga, and Moody are all quite good rebounders. It's probably not enough to make us a good rebounding team unless we have Steph/Moody/OPJ/Dray/Looney on the floor.
Unfortunately, say what you will about LAL, but Westbrook/Baze/Lebron/AD/Howard might be the best rebounding lineup of all time. Baze has the fewest of that group and he's still at 6+ per 36. Rebounding will be a major, major issue for us against them.
No offense beli, but I hope Kuminga makes you look silly for ever wanting "Vaagnah" over 00 :)
God I hope so lol, the rookies both being really good is probably their easiest path forward at this point.
And for what it's worth, Kuminga ended up being my second choice. Clearly Moody wasn't the right pick at 7 if he was there at 14. I'm glad they took Kuminga instead of Bouknight or Mitchell.
I think this was a pretty good FA. Very good draft plus two pretty good pickups. Idk about a lot of you but I wasn't expecting a S&T or any trade for a star. Sucks about the TPMLE but there's still a buyout season to be had, I think there's a better chance of getting something good then
We've done this ride before. We didn't use the MLE last year, but wait for buyout season. We didn't use the DPE, but wait for buyout/trade season. We let both expire. Now we didn't use the MLE and we didn't get a TPE. It's putting a lot of eggs in the basket of a buyout guy seeing our potential and also wanting extra money for the half year. They're almost certainly gonna go to the Nets, Bucks, or Lakers otherwise.
Maybe, perhaps. Just gonna have to wait and see
That's true about buyout season, although if they aren't "in the mix" in the standings after a Klay-less first half of the season I don't know if the top guys will be considering them anyway.
Someone contact Jerry Rice and get him to bring OPJ to the hill. Need that guy to be in the best shape of his life come training camp lol.
Here's a website that I'm using to keep track of the free agents. Note: the website currently doesn't have the Oubre Jr. or the Birch signings yet.
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-free-agency-tracker-2021-wizards-get-spencer-dinwiddie-in-sign-and-trade-knicks-land-kemba-walker/
Well, Oubre S&T is off the books.
I guess it's wait to see if Reggie or Schroeder take the mini-MLE
Prepare to be disappointed. I've been a little too optimistic this offseason. Time to revert to my 2000s Warriors Fan mode
I definitely find the rumors about signing Speedy Claxton and Adonal Foyle a little unsettling.
"Time to revert to my 2000s Warriors Fan mode" <insert John McEnroe "You cannot be serious" meme>
Yeah, once they strike out on Shroder and Reggie, I expect them to wait for midseason to address the backup PG role.
Or Poole shows out and the Warriors don't need to.
It's a good offseason. https://www.theringer.com/video/2021/8/5/22610409/golden-state-warriors-are-back-to-being-title-contenders
This team is way more talented and the present version of this franchise is a million-times better at drafting/developing players than those early aughts teams. This Just a friendly reminder to all the previous tortured, prone to PSTD fellow dubs fans :)
I hear ya, in this case though I just don't see Reggie or Schroder leaving their respective teams for that price tag. Prove me wrong universe!
Reggie's the dream but I doubt he comes here. Clips saved his career and I bet they're waiting to finish Kawhi's extension before they put his contract together
I'm ok with losing out on those two, honestly. I don't see why they would sign here anyway
I'm sure we'll hear the fantastic news of Iguodala joining the Lakers for the minimum soon
He'd be a good fit on the Nets, he should go there.
That would actually be pretty hilarious, imo. I’d feel sad for old time’s sake to see him in that uni, but I’d LOL at the “LA antique store” adding another washed name brand.