I kinda see EP as the Yin to Green's Yang. They both do a lot of little things well one more so on D the other on O. EP has shown the willingness to put in the work on the things he needs to to make himself a real nice piece to the puzzle and we have him on the really cheap which is another key factor. Like Looney other teams may way undervalue him and we may have him for the next contract extension which would not make me sad.
Unless Looney is part of a package deal to make some numbers work, I can't imagine anyone wanting him with his injury history. Were sure not going to cut him, that would do our cap situation nothing, so I see both on the team for at least the next year.
No reason to cut Looney now that the Warriors aren't hard capped, and EP is on a cheap as hell 2nd round rookie deal, so unless another team comes knocking for his services, he's a keeper.
I like Paschall, but I want to see better 3pt shooting and rebounding/defense if he's gonna be used as a 6th/7th man in the rotation. I recall some beat guys like MTII even positing EP as the starting 4 of the future, but I just don't see it yet. His defense isn't enough to a full-time NBA big and his 3pt shot isn't enough to really play off-ball as Curry and Klay take their shot attempts. As it is, his iso-ability seems to project well for him as a scorer off the bench.
Looney, obviously, needs to prove he can stay on the floor, but even out of that he needs to show some kind of growth in his game. He had an injury plagued season, but he shot a pathetic .403 TS% from the floor, and without Curry and Klay could only get 38% of his Field Goal Attempts near the rim (where he'd been 60+% previously). Then the oft talked about 3pt shot for Looney still isn't a thing.
No reason to cut Looney? Oh, I can think of plenty of reasons to do it, mainly health. The Warriors need to cut bait and rebuild that position. Looney is never healthy.
Paschal, otoh, is a legitimate contributing player that will improve and help this team. It's true he's undersized and needs improvement in shooting, but he's a rookie that kept this team alive all season!
The Warriors aren't hard capped anymore but are over the cap, so cutting Looney does almost nothing unless there's a vet min player that the Warriors for some reason don't have a roster spot for and Looney is the one they need to dump.
It's in the best interests of both Looney and the Warriors to stick around for another year and hope for a bounce back year to, at minimum, increase Looney's trade value.
You can't think of plenty of reasons. Only health. In and of itself, that might be enough in some situations. But not in the W's situation. If he can get healthy they get a a vastly underrated player who fits (and knows) their system so well. And if they cut him they get ... nothing. They still have to pay him. They are over the cap so they can't sign anyone else with his salary slot. They can only replace his salary if they trade it . As you point out he doesn't have any value due to questions about his health so they probably can't trade him unless they give something up rather than get something - and why would they do that? All scenarios where they get rid of him are worse than just keeping him. They just have to hope he can get healthy in the off season.
What I'm suggesting is risk management in the case of Looney. I'm not necessarily advocating cutting him and losing any asset value that may or may not be there for him. They have to explore the trade market for him and see what the real world possibilities are. They can't just do nothing, not if they are as smart as most people think.
“No reason to cut Looney? Oh, I can think of plenty of reasons to do it, mainly health. The Warriors need to cut bait and rebuild that position. Looney is never healthy.”
I recently read that Tony Allen had an ACL and MCL injury in 2007 right before he became an all world defender. In fact he credited that injury to why he focused on defense and stopped trying to be a scorer. If Tony Allen could become a legendary defender after an ACL tear, I'm very confident klay will be fine on defense..In truth, Klay's defense is very important for our hopes of bouncing back
My point wasnt so much that Klay's going to fall off a cliff, but I do expect him to show SOME signs of the surgery.
What I was trying to get at is that our defense was so bad, that just assuming Klay fixes all the issues on the defensive is wrong. The team will need some sort of additional defensive answers
I think if Wiggins can play to his potential on defense. Klay comes back as klay. Draymond goes back to old dray and we get a bruiser at 5. Baynes or Marc Gasol. Gasol is 35. How much can he demand in free agency? For the 2nd unit I think if mulder's shot stays the same, his defense is actually good. We need a PG to run that. I don't trust Poole on D at all. Paschall has to improve.. we need a 3D SF and quese is good. 3rd unit is Dlee, poole, another Juan but needs to improve on offense, Looney at 5, maybe smiley at 4
Why?.. It will take a few games for his defense to kick in. But u don't teach a dog old habits. Defense is about effort and klay takes those challenges personal..
Paschall: Loved the improvement at dishing as the season went on. That’s the part of his game that makes him a potential starter/closer. However, he’d better work on foot speed and placement on D to go along with the three.
Looney: He’s the Answer if healthy. Putting it out there now: Fully healthy Looney makes the Warriors 4th quarter win percentage higher than any of the KD era.
Yeah, I think a healthy Looney with a reliable mid-range shot (something he's shown potential for, except this painful past season) is absolutely a part of the next generation Death Lineup equivalent. If he's still struggling like he did this season, the Dubs are in trouble.
Personally I think paschall has to improve in 2 things. Defense and 3pt shooting. It would be better if he could be a SF too. He may be same height as draymond but in truth he isnt as good in rebounding. An undersized PF who isn't a good defender and rebounder is a disaster waiting to happen in the playoffs.
Looney just needs to get healthy and add some sort of outside shot.He also needs to improve his FT shooting. Dude missed too many FTs last playoffs.. All in all I feel if quese maintains his trajectory of development, Looney will be traded in about a year
Loon has one more year guaranteed with a 3rd year player option. I do think if he doesn't get his acts right he may be gone. The only thing I believe he has over quese is the ability to stay in front of guards. Quese is more athletic and has good lateral quickness so I think he will figure that out too.
Even Looney's ability to stay in front of guards was primarily limited to guards who use primarily use hesitation moves/and shifty dribbles to create space. For guards who use their speed/first step, he just CANT keep up with them. Thats why he was so useful against people like James Harden, but gets burned repeatedly against Patty Mills.
I kinda see EP as the Yin to Green's Yang. They both do a lot of little things well one more so on D the other on O. EP has shown the willingness to put in the work on the things he needs to to make himself a real nice piece to the puzzle and we have him on the really cheap which is another key factor. Like Looney other teams may way undervalue him and we may have him for the next contract extension which would not make me sad.
Unless Looney is part of a package deal to make some numbers work, I can't imagine anyone wanting him with his injury history. Were sure not going to cut him, that would do our cap situation nothing, so I see both on the team for at least the next year.
No reason to cut Looney now that the Warriors aren't hard capped, and EP is on a cheap as hell 2nd round rookie deal, so unless another team comes knocking for his services, he's a keeper.
I like Paschall, but I want to see better 3pt shooting and rebounding/defense if he's gonna be used as a 6th/7th man in the rotation. I recall some beat guys like MTII even positing EP as the starting 4 of the future, but I just don't see it yet. His defense isn't enough to a full-time NBA big and his 3pt shot isn't enough to really play off-ball as Curry and Klay take their shot attempts. As it is, his iso-ability seems to project well for him as a scorer off the bench.
Looney, obviously, needs to prove he can stay on the floor, but even out of that he needs to show some kind of growth in his game. He had an injury plagued season, but he shot a pathetic .403 TS% from the floor, and without Curry and Klay could only get 38% of his Field Goal Attempts near the rim (where he'd been 60+% previously). Then the oft talked about 3pt shot for Looney still isn't a thing.
No reason to cut Looney? Oh, I can think of plenty of reasons to do it, mainly health. The Warriors need to cut bait and rebuild that position. Looney is never healthy.
Paschal, otoh, is a legitimate contributing player that will improve and help this team. It's true he's undersized and needs improvement in shooting, but he's a rookie that kept this team alive all season!
The Warriors aren't hard capped anymore but are over the cap, so cutting Looney does almost nothing unless there's a vet min player that the Warriors for some reason don't have a roster spot for and Looney is the one they need to dump.
It's in the best interests of both Looney and the Warriors to stick around for another year and hope for a bounce back year to, at minimum, increase Looney's trade value.
You can't think of plenty of reasons. Only health. In and of itself, that might be enough in some situations. But not in the W's situation. If he can get healthy they get a a vastly underrated player who fits (and knows) their system so well. And if they cut him they get ... nothing. They still have to pay him. They are over the cap so they can't sign anyone else with his salary slot. They can only replace his salary if they trade it . As you point out he doesn't have any value due to questions about his health so they probably can't trade him unless they give something up rather than get something - and why would they do that? All scenarios where they get rid of him are worse than just keeping him. They just have to hope he can get healthy in the off season.
What I'm suggesting is risk management in the case of Looney. I'm not necessarily advocating cutting him and losing any asset value that may or may not be there for him. They have to explore the trade market for him and see what the real world possibilities are. They can't just do nothing, not if they are as smart as most people think.
You’re not necessarily advocating cutting him?
Oh really?
“No reason to cut Looney? Oh, I can think of plenty of reasons to do it, mainly health. The Warriors need to cut bait and rebuild that position. Looney is never healthy.”
Yeah, I'm extremely curious to see the defense next season. It was soooooo bad this season and I don't know that Klay and Steph can fix enough
I recently read that Tony Allen had an ACL and MCL injury in 2007 right before he became an all world defender. In fact he credited that injury to why he focused on defense and stopped trying to be a scorer. If Tony Allen could become a legendary defender after an ACL tear, I'm very confident klay will be fine on defense..In truth, Klay's defense is very important for our hopes of bouncing back
My point wasnt so much that Klay's going to fall off a cliff, but I do expect him to show SOME signs of the surgery.
What I was trying to get at is that our defense was so bad, that just assuming Klay fixes all the issues on the defensive is wrong. The team will need some sort of additional defensive answers
I think if Wiggins can play to his potential on defense. Klay comes back as klay. Draymond goes back to old dray and we get a bruiser at 5. Baynes or Marc Gasol. Gasol is 35. How much can he demand in free agency? For the 2nd unit I think if mulder's shot stays the same, his defense is actually good. We need a PG to run that. I don't trust Poole on D at all. Paschall has to improve.. we need a 3D SF and quese is good. 3rd unit is Dlee, poole, another Juan but needs to improve on offense, Looney at 5, maybe smiley at 4
Well I was worried about Klay's All defensive level perimeter defense
Why?.. It will take a few games for his defense to kick in. But u don't teach a dog old habits. Defense is about effort and klay takes those challenges personal..
Paschall: Loved the improvement at dishing as the season went on. That’s the part of his game that makes him a potential starter/closer. However, he’d better work on foot speed and placement on D to go along with the three.
Looney: He’s the Answer if healthy. Putting it out there now: Fully healthy Looney makes the Warriors 4th quarter win percentage higher than any of the KD era.
Yeah, I think a healthy Looney with a reliable mid-range shot (something he's shown potential for, except this painful past season) is absolutely a part of the next generation Death Lineup equivalent. If he's still struggling like he did this season, the Dubs are in trouble.
Agree with both of you. I think Loon being able to get and stay healthy is big factor in what happens with the team next season.
Personally I think paschall has to improve in 2 things. Defense and 3pt shooting. It would be better if he could be a SF too. He may be same height as draymond but in truth he isnt as good in rebounding. An undersized PF who isn't a good defender and rebounder is a disaster waiting to happen in the playoffs.
Looney just needs to get healthy and add some sort of outside shot.He also needs to improve his FT shooting. Dude missed too many FTs last playoffs.. All in all I feel if quese maintains his trajectory of development, Looney will be traded in about a year
I think Paschall needs to improve his ball handling as well. Far too much last year, he was stripped as he made moves toward the rim.
Definitely keep EP. An exciting player with high BB IQ. He gets the warriors philosophy, which is what makes GSW a team we want to watch and root for.
Loon is good when healthy and fit, but healthy is an ongoing question. Does anyone else want him?
Loon has one more year guaranteed with a 3rd year player option. I do think if he doesn't get his acts right he may be gone. The only thing I believe he has over quese is the ability to stay in front of guards. Quese is more athletic and has good lateral quickness so I think he will figure that out too.
Even Looney's ability to stay in front of guards was primarily limited to guards who use primarily use hesitation moves/and shifty dribbles to create space. For guards who use their speed/first step, he just CANT keep up with them. Thats why he was so useful against people like James Harden, but gets burned repeatedly against Patty Mills.