So 1st of all I really enjoy these articles. Even though none of us have any say in what will happen, it's fun to speculate. That being said, I thought it was a much more interesting discussion in part 1 as all those players are somewhat borderline while it is highly unlikely to impossible that either Ender Wiggins or Looney gets cut or traded. They're not cutting either as they couldn't replace their salary due to cap rules. Both are pretty low value right now on the trade market but with the possibility to be much higher later after more time with the team.
Ender still has a pretty bad rep around the league (as aplayer not as a person) and if we're not yet sold by his small sample size you can be damned sure other teams are not. That means we'd have to pay to trade him (like the Wolves had to pay us with 2 picks). On the other hand if we keep him and what we saw in our small sample turns out to be true he fits in really well. That means he has more value to us than anyone else right now.
Looney is basically the same but because he is injured. I think general perception is that he can't stay healthy so teams don't value him much. Again no one will trade us anything and we'd have to pay to trade him (picks, salary, something). On the other hand, if he can get healthy with the time off, he is worth way more than his current salary. especially to us. Again that means no reason to trade him and just hope he gets healthy.
That leaves Paschall. We like him. Everybody else does. We're not cutting him. He's super cheap. I like him and I think the organization likes him so you'd have to get something pretty valuable for him. But he's definitely the most interesting case to examine. I don't have a sense of his worth, but he's kind of unique and if he can improve his D and, as he has been saying in all those interviews, his 3, I'd say you'd have to pay us a lot for him so I think he also stays.
(I don't believe in the Giannis wet dream, but I guess, who knows. That would sure change the calculus...)
Wiggins is a good player. Unfairly criticised. I said a while ago that I wasn't excited about him anymore, but that came after the lockdown and consideration of all the possible financial issues we may see, coupled with his contract. But honestly, there's nothing he massively lacks. He's a great all-rounder, which few other players can claim to be. A smaller contract would be ideal, but hey...As long as he doesn't check out of games as badly as Cauley-Stein did, Wiggins can make himself at home here in my eyes.
Apr 16, 2020Liked by punk basketball, Daniel Hardee
First comment here, but been following you guys for a long time. Guess the quarantine in the Bay is encouraging me to try a lot of firsts, lol. But yes, I like Wiggins. I'm also on the Obi Toppin train and would love to see a lineup of Steph, Klay, Wiggins, Toppin, Green on the floor. Really think Green has a way of elevating the defensive play of everyone and with the spacing from Toppin's shooting (hopefully translates well into nba) would give Wiggins to do his thing of cutting to the rim and attacking the basket.
Apr 16, 2020Liked by punk basketball, Daniel Hardee
The only glitch in Ender’s game playing for the Warriors was the stand around 3 when he got tired. He cuts hard and plays active positional D. Since the contract is untradable unless he has an excellent year, he’s absolutely a keeper. Bet’s are on that he’ll be more effective than Barnes on O and almost as effective against post ups on D while beimg slightly better on the perimeter. A great cog for the 4 in a small ball closing lineup. Where can the Warriors find the 3? Either way the W’s have a really good team in place for next year. Let’s hope we get to see them play soon!
There’s no way they cut that huge contract, and it will be difficult to trade it. So I think we’re mostly stuck with him, but I don’t think that’s a bad thing.
Realistically, I think we should expect a lot of what was there in Minnesota: inconsistent play on both ends. There seems to be something there with him, where he just doesn’t show up sometimes and it’s I believe wishful thinking to think that part just goes away.
But I think he can get to a much higher baseline of play. He can be a more efficient offensive player. His game is very well suited to play in the passing scheme and space created by Steph and Klay. He already took a major step forward in his passing, and the sight lines he’ll start to see will click that in even more.
He can become a better defender. Obviously we already saw that activity increase. I think just being on a team where the three best players all care about D will set that expectation for him. Also, playing on a contending team where this matters will hopefully just increase his attention.
So overall, you take guy who’s been disappointing. You make him 10-20% better on both ends. You minimize the confusing lapses. Maybe he has off games instead of off weeks. Or off weeks instead of off months. Add all that up and you get a really good, valuable player at the hardest to find position in the NBA.
Very conflicting question due to a number of factors, mainly the limited amount of minutes he has played in blue and gold, not to mention the only having played one game with Curry and non with both the Splash Brothers.
However, in the small amount of time he has played for us, I for one have been thoroughly impressed with the defensive awareness and aggression, as well as his willingness to share the ball. His offensive consistency could use some work, but other than that, I think we're looking at a slightly overpriced Harry Barnes 2.0.
The only way I would trade Wiggs this offseason is if we were to get another star, preferably a veteran, that could help as a supporting player for the next two or three years. Two names that immediately come to mind are Al Horford, whose fit in Philly has been questioned since day one (and sidenote, a Green/Horford frontcourt would be NASTY, as well as the endless possibilities of a Curry/Horford Pick'n'Pop), and Bradley Beal, who would make a sweet pairing in the wings with Klay as an elite scorer and above-average defender. I personally believe that the Horford fit would work better and be more beneficial to both parties, but then again this is all speculation :).
We haven't even gotten to see him play with the band yet. He was often the best player on the floor for the Ws. Once he sees the kind of space he gets with Steph and Klay out there, his game should really open up offensively. If he can pick up some intensity and savvy from Dray, the sky's the limit.
So 1st of all I really enjoy these articles. Even though none of us have any say in what will happen, it's fun to speculate. That being said, I thought it was a much more interesting discussion in part 1 as all those players are somewhat borderline while it is highly unlikely to impossible that either Ender Wiggins or Looney gets cut or traded. They're not cutting either as they couldn't replace their salary due to cap rules. Both are pretty low value right now on the trade market but with the possibility to be much higher later after more time with the team.
Ender still has a pretty bad rep around the league (as aplayer not as a person) and if we're not yet sold by his small sample size you can be damned sure other teams are not. That means we'd have to pay to trade him (like the Wolves had to pay us with 2 picks). On the other hand if we keep him and what we saw in our small sample turns out to be true he fits in really well. That means he has more value to us than anyone else right now.
Looney is basically the same but because he is injured. I think general perception is that he can't stay healthy so teams don't value him much. Again no one will trade us anything and we'd have to pay to trade him (picks, salary, something). On the other hand, if he can get healthy with the time off, he is worth way more than his current salary. especially to us. Again that means no reason to trade him and just hope he gets healthy.
That leaves Paschall. We like him. Everybody else does. We're not cutting him. He's super cheap. I like him and I think the organization likes him so you'd have to get something pretty valuable for him. But he's definitely the most interesting case to examine. I don't have a sense of his worth, but he's kind of unique and if he can improve his D and, as he has been saying in all those interviews, his 3, I'd say you'd have to pay us a lot for him so I think he also stays.
(I don't believe in the Giannis wet dream, but I guess, who knows. That would sure change the calculus...)
Keep Wiggins? But haven't you heard? We're trading him for Giannis!
Wait is that Duby Dub Dubs coming around on the Wiggins deal??? :D
Wiggins is a good player. Unfairly criticised. I said a while ago that I wasn't excited about him anymore, but that came after the lockdown and consideration of all the possible financial issues we may see, coupled with his contract. But honestly, there's nothing he massively lacks. He's a great all-rounder, which few other players can claim to be. A smaller contract would be ideal, but hey...As long as he doesn't check out of games as badly as Cauley-Stein did, Wiggins can make himself at home here in my eyes.
First comment here, but been following you guys for a long time. Guess the quarantine in the Bay is encouraging me to try a lot of firsts, lol. But yes, I like Wiggins. I'm also on the Obi Toppin train and would love to see a lineup of Steph, Klay, Wiggins, Toppin, Green on the floor. Really think Green has a way of elevating the defensive play of everyone and with the spacing from Toppin's shooting (hopefully translates well into nba) would give Wiggins to do his thing of cutting to the rim and attacking the basket.
The only glitch in Ender’s game playing for the Warriors was the stand around 3 when he got tired. He cuts hard and plays active positional D. Since the contract is untradable unless he has an excellent year, he’s absolutely a keeper. Bet’s are on that he’ll be more effective than Barnes on O and almost as effective against post ups on D while beimg slightly better on the perimeter. A great cog for the 4 in a small ball closing lineup. Where can the Warriors find the 3? Either way the W’s have a really good team in place for next year. Let’s hope we get to see them play soon!
There’s no way they cut that huge contract, and it will be difficult to trade it. So I think we’re mostly stuck with him, but I don’t think that’s a bad thing.
Realistically, I think we should expect a lot of what was there in Minnesota: inconsistent play on both ends. There seems to be something there with him, where he just doesn’t show up sometimes and it’s I believe wishful thinking to think that part just goes away.
But I think he can get to a much higher baseline of play. He can be a more efficient offensive player. His game is very well suited to play in the passing scheme and space created by Steph and Klay. He already took a major step forward in his passing, and the sight lines he’ll start to see will click that in even more.
He can become a better defender. Obviously we already saw that activity increase. I think just being on a team where the three best players all care about D will set that expectation for him. Also, playing on a contending team where this matters will hopefully just increase his attention.
So overall, you take guy who’s been disappointing. You make him 10-20% better on both ends. You minimize the confusing lapses. Maybe he has off games instead of off weeks. Or off weeks instead of off months. Add all that up and you get a really good, valuable player at the hardest to find position in the NBA.
Very conflicting question due to a number of factors, mainly the limited amount of minutes he has played in blue and gold, not to mention the only having played one game with Curry and non with both the Splash Brothers.
However, in the small amount of time he has played for us, I for one have been thoroughly impressed with the defensive awareness and aggression, as well as his willingness to share the ball. His offensive consistency could use some work, but other than that, I think we're looking at a slightly overpriced Harry Barnes 2.0.
The only way I would trade Wiggs this offseason is if we were to get another star, preferably a veteran, that could help as a supporting player for the next two or three years. Two names that immediately come to mind are Al Horford, whose fit in Philly has been questioned since day one (and sidenote, a Green/Horford frontcourt would be NASTY, as well as the endless possibilities of a Curry/Horford Pick'n'Pop), and Bradley Beal, who would make a sweet pairing in the wings with Klay as an elite scorer and above-average defender. I personally believe that the Horford fit would work better and be more beneficial to both parties, but then again this is all speculation :).
We haven't even gotten to see him play with the band yet. He was often the best player on the floor for the Ws. Once he sees the kind of space he gets with Steph and Klay out there, his game should really open up offensively. If he can pick up some intensity and savvy from Dray, the sky's the limit.
Not even close. Keep him!