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The network of 80 unauthorised domains generated 1.6billion combined visits over the past year, providing free access to global sports fixtures, including Europe’s top football leagues and competitions, such as the Premier League and Champions League, as well as the NFL, NBA and MLB.
Man, if true and somewhat provable (i.e., not to the level of a court case), the Clips are going to be losing a few picks. Hitting Ballmer with a fine is like raining on an ocean.
>>>The one-year, $7.9 million qualifying offer remains the most attractive offer to Kuminga at the moment, sources continue to tell NBC Sports Bay Area. The Warriors have offered a two-year contract worth roughly $45 million, but are holding strong to a team option for the second year, while Kuminga and his camp have made it clear they want a player option for Year 2.
To ensure Kuminga doesn’t sign the qualifying offer, which essentially would eliminate any option of trading him this season and severely hurt roster building, the Warriors will have to convince him what they’re proposing is that much better than the last resort. The first way to do that is ceding the team option for a player option. The second is simply to give him more money up front, making the team option less of a sticking point in the end.
Year 1 of the Warriors’ offer is $21.75 million, per sources, but because of the base salary compensation rule, Kuminga’s outgoing salary is equal to half of that. So, much of this entire situation comes down to control.<<<
Warriors want a team option on the 2nd year and Kuminga wants a player option. Seems like natural compromise is no option on the second year, per my post below.
Nothing about this drama suggests JK is a compromising kind of guy, though. The longer this goes, the more likely it is he'll take the QO, I think. At this point, one assumes each side has each other's final offer. I'm not aware of anything that would cause one side to blink.
No, the Warriors have to convince him it’s better, not “that much better”… this is another agent piece trying to make the conversation happen again in the public eye
How does having less money committed to JK hamper roster building? It gives us more flexibility with Melton and Horford’s contracts, as well as whoever else we fill out the roster with. Am I missing something here?
JK does not want to be a trade chip to be sent wherever the Dubs can make a deal, even if he doesn't want to go there. His position so far has been either the Dubs commit to him, pay him well, and keep him; or they give him some control over whether and where he goes — hence no team option and possibly a NTC. Whether he can get either of his preferred options is what this is all about. If not, he wants out on his terms, hence signing the QO — even though it's risky for him and will cost him money in the short term, at least. Maybe a player option rather than a team option is a way out for both sides. We shall see.
An excellent summation of the situation. I wonder if a good compromise would be including the team option in the second year, but also including the NTC?
That way, the team has the flexibility to extend Kuminga if they don’t find a trade that suits them and Kuminga gets a NTC to have some control over his future career/development.
I was just watching some old Steve Nash games, and goddammit, he's the most dominant offensive force I've ever seen.
When it comes to scoring the basketball, he could quite literally do so at will and could vamp up his scoring in the playoffs when he wanted to. In terms of efficiency, relative to his era, Nash was also insanely efficient equaling Curry numbers.
When it comes to his passing, I truly do believe he's the greatest passer of all time. Not only does he generate assists all by himself, he also his fantastic at making the pass that LEADS to the assist. He's not a James Harden type for whom the ball never leaves his had unless its to score or get an assist. His passes which lead to assists UNLOCKS the offense, in a similar way to how Curry's offball movement does for the Warriors.
When you put those together and then keep in mind that his insanely small usage of 27/24% in his peak years, I've never quite seen a player who just controls every facet of the offensive game quite like Nash when he gets the ball and immediately gets the screen and makes the right decision EVERY SINGLE TIME.
I LOVE Steve Nash. Dude was amazing and could do so much and really really shoot. worth mentioning he has the most 50/40/90s. One free throw short of doing it 5 years in a row. There is a reason Steph talks about how Nash was an inspiration to him. . still Curry did a 50/40/90 scoring 30 PPG though so add that to the pile of awesomeness in his bag.
while *at best* getting intense defensive attention and at worst just getting mugged. IMO the defense he gets, including constant fouling, at 6'3 no less, while shooting high volume with high accuracy is what makes him mind warping.
> In terms of efficiency, relative to his era, Nash was also insanely efficient equaling Curry numbers.
Only if you ignore volume and usage, which are integral parts of efficiency. As you note, Nash’s usage was very low for an MVP. He scored 26-28 points per 100 possessions at his peak, and 23.3 for his career. Steph by contrast averaged **42-44 points per 100** at his peak and 35.4 for his career. Playoffs: Steph 35.6 pts per 100, Steve 25.0. Those are qualitative differences.
After witnessing the Steph revolution, Nash has expressed regret that he deferred so much and didn’t call his own number more. And he was such a great natural shooter with such an elite feel for the game that he may have gotten a bit closer to Steph-level scoring (volume + efficiency) if he had done so. But .. he didn’t.
That said, yes, he was an amazing player in his own right, and all your points about him are well-taken. He’s just … not Steph. 😊
You’re right about Steph’s higher scoring volume, but I was using “dominant” in a different sense.
When I talk about offensive dominance, I’m thinking of a player who completely orchestrates the offense—someone who controls the tempo, dictates the flow, and makes every possession run through them. That’s where Nash stands out. His balance of scoring and playmaking made him the maestro of the entire system in a way Steph’s style doesn’t. Steph thrives off the ball, but that also means he depends on others to find him when he’s open, rather than directly steering every possession himself.
So while I’d absolutely agree that Curry is the more prolific scorer, in terms of sheer offensive dominance as I’m defining it, I’d put Nash ahead. Another strong candidate in this mold is Jokic, whose mix of passing, screening, shooting, and post play lets him exert control over every part of the offense.
> in terms of sheer offensive dominance as I’m defining it, I’d put Nash ahead
By a more commonly accepted definition of offensive dominance, I think it’s Steph by pretty wide margin. By advanced offensive metrics it’s not particularly close…
Career OBPM: Steph 6.2, Nash 4.4
Peak OBPM: Steph 10.3, Nash 6.7
Peak OWS: Steph 13.8, Nash 10.8
WS per 48: Steph .196, Nash .164
Etc.
If you define dominance more esoterically as “orchestrating an offense,” sure, you take Nash over Steph — but then you take guys like CP3 and Stockton over Steph by that definition as well. I think Nash fits more comfortably in a convo with those two guys than he does with Steph.
Slightly bigger picture: I know defense wasn’t part of your claim, but it you factor in D, the gap between them widens, as Steph’s defensive metrics are significantly better. I plotted their careers under the “historical career trajectory” tab on the Darko/DPM site. and while Nash is actually pretty close if you look only at offense (though Steph still has a clear advantage) the margin between them grows when you look at offense + defense.
If we're including defense, I actually think Steph is a really good defender. Excellent team defender, solid man defender whose excellent at funneling to help.
> After witnessing the Steph revolution, Nash has expressed regret that he deferred so much and didn’t call his own number more
I’m pretty strongly dubious that there was much left on the table for him to optimize. A lot more shooting and IMO his shot difficulty goes way up and he loses efficiency, and fewer assists. He was so amazing passing the ball, seems likely he correctly indexed on team raising over personal scoring. A little bit here or there? Sure. But then we’re not talking about a huge difference, just some marginal improvements (to an already elite profile).
Steph’s difficult shot making is just on another level IMO
Agreed. Hard to imagine Nash (amazing as he was) getting shots off in phone booths with multiple defenders draped all over him at anywhere near Steph-level.
Couple days ago, I had the funny (to me) thought how Shaq would sometimes belittle Nash's game (because he took an MVP or two away from Shaq) but then say that Curry is his favorite player....with apparently no appreciation for how similar Nash and Curry really are.
An interesting excerpt from an article referencing Kuminga's contract situation:
"The danger of signing the qualifying offer, however, is illustrated by Nerlens Noel’s experience in 2017. After turning down a $70 million offer from Dallas to sign a one-year deal worth $4.1 million, Noel injured his thumb and appeared in just 30 games, never regaining that level of potential. He ultimately earned $27 million over the next seven seasons.
Other examples point to the potential upside. Ben Gordon accepted a $6.4 million qualifying offer with the Bulls in 2008, posted career-best numbers, and landed a five-year, $58 million deal from Detroit.
Greg Monroe followed a similar path in 2014, gambling a one-year deal into a three-year, $50 million contract with Milwaukee after averaging a double-double score."
This makes me nervous that Kuminga might truly pursue the qualifying contract in order to secure full control over his own future, which great for him!! Terrible for the Warriors as that minimizes his trade value.
I wonder if the Warriors should remove the team option from the offer and just make it a standard two-year deal. If it’s tue that things aren’t totally irreconcilable, he could play out the two years and become a UFA after this current (Draymond/Jimmy/Steph/Kerr) 2-year window ends.
It gives him two more years to that show his trajectory and keep the Warriors in play along with the other 29 teams. In a year, there’s more likely to be an open spot if Draymond move to the bench and/or Jimmy pulls his normal final-year bullshit.
The tough part is determining whether JK is capable of playing for the team as opposed to being obsessed with showcasing his skills. Maybe he should enter the dunk contest…LOL
For me, the sweet spot is either a 3-year guaranteed deal or 2 + a team option (though I realize this runs into the years they want no contracts on the books).
But, JK's issue seems to be the average value of the contract, and I just don't see the team and him ever getting to common ground on that. So, he might see additional years at a rate he feels is too low as just more team control.
He’s still a big fan of Steph and had him neck-and-neck with Ant at 5/6. He said he’d take Steph in a playoff series, but Ant’s (best in the league) availability gave him the edge. The other four that haven’t been revealed yet are Luka, Giannis, Joker and SGA.
According to the actual 2024-25 Estimated Plus/Minus rankings, it goes:
1. SGA
2. Jokic
3. Doncic
4. Giannis
5. Wemby
6. Steph
7. Mitchell
8. Tatum
9. Haliburton
10. Zubac
11. Leonard
12. Mobley
13. AD
14. JJJ
15. Jimmy Buckets
16. Jalen Williams
17. Porzingis
18. Franz Wagner
19. Jarret Allen
20. Darius Garland
Ant is way down at 22. Of course, these are per minute rankings, so this metric doesn't take availability into account at all. And Tatum is out next season, so this pushes almost everybody below him up a spot.
But the top 15 above pass my eye test. After that, it gets a bit cloudy. Zubac and Jaren Jackson Jr. may be the most underrated players in the NBA. And as far as Timpf's ratings go, LeBron James (8), Brunson (9), Embiid (14), Booker (15), and Banchero (19) may be the most overrated. All are great players, but I don't think any were among the top 20 NBA players in terms of helping their teams win last season.
Embiid only played 19 games last season so he shouldn't even be on the list for that year. That's an incomplete. He might not be ready in time for training camp this year as well.
My take from this was, given Timpf ranks Steph as the 2nd best current offensive creator behind Jokic - being the #1 pull up threat, 44% off screen 3pt shooter, draws double teams, offball movement etc - for an undersized guard who'll turn 38 this season (what!?!), I think we might be underestimating just how long Steph can still play AND be elite (not just effective).
Yes Lebron has reached and sustained a playing level not seen before. But we've never seen a basketballer who has not 'relied' on athleticism or a physical advantage to be this good for this long.
Steph's got plenty of time before he's eligible to qualify for the senior PGA Tour. How long till Canon's old enough to enter the draft?!
Should we start using the DNHQ "Merch Shop" as a euphemism for JK? Full of potential, a couple of flashes of brilliance, haven't seen anything substantial come to fruition but there is still hope 🤷🏽♂️
"Man, I really hope the "Merch Shop" gets sorted this off season so I can finally support and show off my team with pride!"
(What's this literary device called because I actually want the Merch Shop?!)
Also can we get a T-shirt with Steve and his 9 Rings saying "All I do is win."
Have you ever thought about displaying it more prominently on your site?
I had to ask you guys when I tried to find it.
You've since added the Merch line on the sidebar, but that's still not all that prominent.
For instance, you have the 'Home Archive Leaderboard About' line on the landing page.
I don't know if you can link to an external page there or not, but if not, maybe a link to the article that does have an external link (sort of a handle in programming terms).
Ahem, that would be your least favorite AI (other than Elon Musk).
I am currently sitting in a hotel room in Burgos, Spain with my bag.
It has that sticker (which I had printed up), and one from the merch site (the Mercury helmet logo is way cooler than my offcenter MS Paint-edited hack job).
I'd give JK an Incomplete. Missing 30+ games with injury and then coming back to try and fit with Jimmy in the lineup kind of washed out last year. Belief in yourself is good. Ambition is good. It just seems like he is expecting to get paid and play minutes based on his belief and ambition rather than proving it on the floor and in THIS system. I hope the fact that no other teams have snatched him up drives him to put that extra work in to become the entire player he can be. The greatest players don't succeed only because they believe in themselves, but by working, working, working. He's got the talent, I am just not sure he has the pissed off "I'll prove you all wrong" attitude/work ethic yet.
This Kuminga retrospective reminded me of the complicated relationship I've had with Kerr's coaching of Kuminga. On the one hand, I completely agree with his subtle criticisms of Kuminga's game, where he threw a shot across the bow stating that we "don't need contested 17-footers with 12 on the shot clock," and that with Curry, young players need to move the ball for a better shot."
On the other hand, all players have poor stretches and Kuminga's was a relatively minor three game one. He'd just had a blistering preseason where he averaged 14 pts on 55% from the field and 44% from deep. He'd just came off a season where he'd averaged 16 pts on 60 TS% and a +4.2 OnCourt plus minus.
Surely, he deserved the opportunity to play through a rough stretch. To get coached without getting automatically pulled allowing him to play through his mistakes. Its not as if Kerr hasn't done this before, surely we remember Wiggins averaging 12 pts/1 assit and hitting 56% of his free throws while shooting 26% from three all while posting a team worst 118.5 defensive rating. . . 17 GAMES INTO THE SEASON!!!!
Being pulled so fast, not truly being given a chance to play through ur mistakes and get coached to avoid them, is hellish for the confidence of young players. Also, speaking from personal experience, it also hampers trust with the coach.
Building confidence in young players . . . matters. There is a reason why Curry/Klay to this day laude Mark Jackson's influnece on them and how much he build them up mentally and gave them confidence. This type of thing matters .
To conclude, I wish Kerr had not been so quick to throw Kuminga back onto the bench. I wish Kerr had critiqued JK, coached him privately, but then allowed for him to play through his mistakes. I wish he had a longer leash on JK, but not so long as he had with Wiggins, if JK had not responding to the coaching and continued playing poorly at the 10 game mark THEN move him to the bench. Perhaps if THAT had been the approach, we wouldn't be having this weird offseason with JK's contract.
Yes. And I'd add my complicated feelings about the Warriors front office, drafting a bunch of teenagers for Kerr to juggle alongside the established stars. while trying to win another championship or three. I don't really want to litigate two timelines any more, but it's hard to imagine how the coach is supposed to do both things at once. Kerr basically picked a lane, they won another championship, and the youngsters didn't really develop. It's totally possible that Mark Jackson is better at developing young players than Kerr, but had Kerr been coaching the Dubs in 2012-13 he would also have been better at developing young players than the Kerr of a decade later who had other objectives.
But, I mostly throw away the first dozen games or so, when he was clearly thinking he had to be Kobe and take every shot to showcase himself for a future signing.
There was good and there was bad, and I don't rightly know which is more representative of his future. I do think that this year was *heavily* affected by his contract status, and think there is some chance that if we do sign him, he can settle down and find a niche where he is productive and happy.
For all the mysteries about how much JK is who is he and how much he’s being held back by his situation, I find it interesting that teams have reportedly all landed almost exactly at the same annual value contracts, SAC ($63m/3y), PHX ($90m/4y), GSW ($45m/2y, partly influenced by other two contracts).
Two-year player option is ludicrous. That basically gives JK nearly 3x his QO salary while ensuring that he can be an unrestricted free agent at the end of the season anyway. Why would the Ws offer that?
Probably the fairest for all concerned is a three-year with a team option at ~$70 million. No 'no trade' clause. Kuminga gets ~$45 million guaranteed and is traded, renewed, or an FA in two years.
This has been my proposed compromise the whole time. If he wants the third season guaranteed, he needs to give up a couple of million in salary to match the Kings' offer or else the Warriors will not be able to trade him as he desires. No team offered him a third season player option, so I don't see how the Warriors can do so. It's pretty clear what the current market thinks Kuminga is worth. Despite his tremendous athletic gifts, he's not portable enough to command more.
Great observation. It seems that - despite the buzz that "JK can be a star player", the poaching teams' offer seem to be the same as what the Dubs are offering.
I still remember the days when Brooklyn Nets offered Tyler Johnson and Allen Crabbe huge contracts in an attempt to poach them. And more surprising that Miami and Portland matched. I don't think either of them ever became a major contributor. I guess today's GM's have become smarter.
“I just stick to my strengths. Look at everybody in the league. They don't pay players to play defense…they pay people to score the ball, and I would hope that somebody scores the ball on me if they paid them that much,”
It feels like Kuminga’s in that Jabari Parker conundrum.
Somehow I doubt JK is really this unaware of how the NBA works. Guys like, say Kyle Korver, *don't* get huge paychecks as they get played off the floor in big games due to their defensive limitations. Draymond gets paid despite his limitations as a shooter. Heck, Dennis Rodman made a career out of rebounding and playing defense.
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Balmer allegedly paid Kawhi 28 million dollars under the table via fake endorsement deal. Yikes.
https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3551916/report-kawhi-leonard-was-allegedly-given-a-no-show-dollar28-million-dollar-endorsement-deal-as-a-way-for-the-clippers-to-circumvent-the-salary-cap-in-free-agency
Lol ..and we are trying to figure out how we can afford to fund KLAY'RETURN FOR A MISERLY 16m/yr for the next 2 yrs of guaranteed CONTENTION?
lol
Innocent until proven guilty but definitely seems like something Balmer would do lol
All I can say is
Woah
Man, if true and somewhat provable (i.e., not to the level of a court case), the Clips are going to be losing a few picks. Hitting Ballmer with a fine is like raining on an ocean.
>>>The one-year, $7.9 million qualifying offer remains the most attractive offer to Kuminga at the moment, sources continue to tell NBC Sports Bay Area. The Warriors have offered a two-year contract worth roughly $45 million, but are holding strong to a team option for the second year, while Kuminga and his camp have made it clear they want a player option for Year 2.
To ensure Kuminga doesn’t sign the qualifying offer, which essentially would eliminate any option of trading him this season and severely hurt roster building, the Warriors will have to convince him what they’re proposing is that much better than the last resort. The first way to do that is ceding the team option for a player option. The second is simply to give him more money up front, making the team option less of a sticking point in the end.
Year 1 of the Warriors’ offer is $21.75 million, per sources, but because of the base salary compensation rule, Kuminga’s outgoing salary is equal to half of that. So, much of this entire situation comes down to control.<<<
https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/jonathan-kuminga-contract-agent/1871667/
Warriors want a team option on the 2nd year and Kuminga wants a player option. Seems like natural compromise is no option on the second year, per my post below.
Nothing about this drama suggests JK is a compromising kind of guy, though. The longer this goes, the more likely it is he'll take the QO, I think. At this point, one assumes each side has each other's final offer. I'm not aware of anything that would cause one side to blink.
No, the Warriors have to convince him it’s better, not “that much better”… this is another agent piece trying to make the conversation happen again in the public eye
How does having less money committed to JK hamper roster building? It gives us more flexibility with Melton and Horford’s contracts, as well as whoever else we fill out the roster with. Am I missing something here?
Yes you are missing that if kuminga becomes a trade piece mid year warriors are limited to players at about his salary and also he can veto all trades
I don’t think being a trade piece halfway through the year is roster building.
JK does not want to be a trade chip to be sent wherever the Dubs can make a deal, even if he doesn't want to go there. His position so far has been either the Dubs commit to him, pay him well, and keep him; or they give him some control over whether and where he goes — hence no team option and possibly a NTC. Whether he can get either of his preferred options is what this is all about. If not, he wants out on his terms, hence signing the QO — even though it's risky for him and will cost him money in the short term, at least. Maybe a player option rather than a team option is a way out for both sides. We shall see.
An excellent summation of the situation. I wonder if a good compromise would be including the team option in the second year, but also including the NTC?
That way, the team has the flexibility to extend Kuminga if they don’t find a trade that suits them and Kuminga gets a NTC to have some control over his future career/development.
I was just watching some old Steve Nash games, and goddammit, he's the most dominant offensive force I've ever seen.
When it comes to scoring the basketball, he could quite literally do so at will and could vamp up his scoring in the playoffs when he wanted to. In terms of efficiency, relative to his era, Nash was also insanely efficient equaling Curry numbers.
When it comes to his passing, I truly do believe he's the greatest passer of all time. Not only does he generate assists all by himself, he also his fantastic at making the pass that LEADS to the assist. He's not a James Harden type for whom the ball never leaves his had unless its to score or get an assist. His passes which lead to assists UNLOCKS the offense, in a similar way to how Curry's offball movement does for the Warriors.
When you put those together and then keep in mind that his insanely small usage of 27/24% in his peak years, I've never quite seen a player who just controls every facet of the offensive game quite like Nash when he gets the ball and immediately gets the screen and makes the right decision EVERY SINGLE TIME.
Its incredible.
I LOVE Steve Nash. Dude was amazing and could do so much and really really shoot. worth mentioning he has the most 50/40/90s. One free throw short of doing it 5 years in a row. There is a reason Steph talks about how Nash was an inspiration to him. . still Curry did a 50/40/90 scoring 30 PPG though so add that to the pile of awesomeness in his bag.
Steph did 50/45/90 while shooting over *850 threes*. Still insane.
while *at best* getting intense defensive attention and at worst just getting mugged. IMO the defense he gets, including constant fouling, at 6'3 no less, while shooting high volume with high accuracy is what makes him mind warping.
> In terms of efficiency, relative to his era, Nash was also insanely efficient equaling Curry numbers.
Only if you ignore volume and usage, which are integral parts of efficiency. As you note, Nash’s usage was very low for an MVP. He scored 26-28 points per 100 possessions at his peak, and 23.3 for his career. Steph by contrast averaged **42-44 points per 100** at his peak and 35.4 for his career. Playoffs: Steph 35.6 pts per 100, Steve 25.0. Those are qualitative differences.
After witnessing the Steph revolution, Nash has expressed regret that he deferred so much and didn’t call his own number more. And he was such a great natural shooter with such an elite feel for the game that he may have gotten a bit closer to Steph-level scoring (volume + efficiency) if he had done so. But .. he didn’t.
That said, yes, he was an amazing player in his own right, and all your points about him are well-taken. He’s just … not Steph. 😊
You’re right about Steph’s higher scoring volume, but I was using “dominant” in a different sense.
When I talk about offensive dominance, I’m thinking of a player who completely orchestrates the offense—someone who controls the tempo, dictates the flow, and makes every possession run through them. That’s where Nash stands out. His balance of scoring and playmaking made him the maestro of the entire system in a way Steph’s style doesn’t. Steph thrives off the ball, but that also means he depends on others to find him when he’s open, rather than directly steering every possession himself.
So while I’d absolutely agree that Curry is the more prolific scorer, in terms of sheer offensive dominance as I’m defining it, I’d put Nash ahead. Another strong candidate in this mold is Jokic, whose mix of passing, screening, shooting, and post play lets him exert control over every part of the offense.
> in terms of sheer offensive dominance as I’m defining it, I’d put Nash ahead
By a more commonly accepted definition of offensive dominance, I think it’s Steph by pretty wide margin. By advanced offensive metrics it’s not particularly close…
Career OBPM: Steph 6.2, Nash 4.4
Peak OBPM: Steph 10.3, Nash 6.7
Peak OWS: Steph 13.8, Nash 10.8
WS per 48: Steph .196, Nash .164
Etc.
If you define dominance more esoterically as “orchestrating an offense,” sure, you take Nash over Steph — but then you take guys like CP3 and Stockton over Steph by that definition as well. I think Nash fits more comfortably in a convo with those two guys than he does with Steph.
Admittedly, I probably should have defined dominance ahead of time.
Its a bit embarassing though, my definition of dominance arose out of watching the reality tv show of Survivor lmao.
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Slightly bigger picture: I know defense wasn’t part of your claim, but it you factor in D, the gap between them widens, as Steph’s defensive metrics are significantly better. I plotted their careers under the “historical career trajectory” tab on the Darko/DPM site. and while Nash is actually pretty close if you look only at offense (though Steph still has a clear advantage) the margin between them grows when you look at offense + defense.
If we're including defense, I actually think Steph is a really good defender. Excellent team defender, solid man defender whose excellent at funneling to help.
Agreed. I think that may be a small part of the reason Steph has six Western Conference championships and four chips, where Nash has 0 and 0.
> After witnessing the Steph revolution, Nash has expressed regret that he deferred so much and didn’t call his own number more
I’m pretty strongly dubious that there was much left on the table for him to optimize. A lot more shooting and IMO his shot difficulty goes way up and he loses efficiency, and fewer assists. He was so amazing passing the ball, seems likely he correctly indexed on team raising over personal scoring. A little bit here or there? Sure. But then we’re not talking about a huge difference, just some marginal improvements (to an already elite profile).
Steph’s difficult shot making is just on another level IMO
Agreed. Hard to imagine Nash (amazing as he was) getting shots off in phone booths with multiple defenders draped all over him at anywhere near Steph-level.
Great stuff, guys! Thanks!
Yeah...Nash was awesome.
Couple days ago, I had the funny (to me) thought how Shaq would sometimes belittle Nash's game (because he took an MVP or two away from Shaq) but then say that Curry is his favorite player....with apparently no appreciation for how similar Nash and Curry really are.
FYI in past Warriors news:
The Orlando Magic announced they have signed Reece Beekman, Colin Castleton, Justin Minaya and Lester Quinones.
https://bsky.app/profile/keithsmithnba.bsky.social/post/3lxuzggtptk2t
Castleton, hmmm. Paving the way for the departure of GOGA?
I haven't seen Castleton play but looking at his record, I suspect you're just funnin' because you want Goga.
An interesting excerpt from an article referencing Kuminga's contract situation:
"The danger of signing the qualifying offer, however, is illustrated by Nerlens Noel’s experience in 2017. After turning down a $70 million offer from Dallas to sign a one-year deal worth $4.1 million, Noel injured his thumb and appeared in just 30 games, never regaining that level of potential. He ultimately earned $27 million over the next seven seasons.
Other examples point to the potential upside. Ben Gordon accepted a $6.4 million qualifying offer with the Bulls in 2008, posted career-best numbers, and landed a five-year, $58 million deal from Detroit.
Greg Monroe followed a similar path in 2014, gambling a one-year deal into a three-year, $50 million contract with Milwaukee after averaging a double-double score."
This makes me nervous that Kuminga might truly pursue the qualifying contract in order to secure full control over his own future, which great for him!! Terrible for the Warriors as that minimizes his trade value.
I wonder if the Warriors should remove the team option from the offer and just make it a standard two-year deal. If it’s tue that things aren’t totally irreconcilable, he could play out the two years and become a UFA after this current (Draymond/Jimmy/Steph/Kerr) 2-year window ends.
It gives him two more years to that show his trajectory and keep the Warriors in play along with the other 29 teams. In a year, there’s more likely to be an open spot if Draymond move to the bench and/or Jimmy pulls his normal final-year bullshit.
The tough part is determining whether JK is capable of playing for the team as opposed to being obsessed with showcasing his skills. Maybe he should enter the dunk contest…LOL
For me, the sweet spot is either a 3-year guaranteed deal or 2 + a team option (though I realize this runs into the years they want no contracts on the books).
But, JK's issue seems to be the average value of the contract, and I just don't see the team and him ever getting to common ground on that. So, he might see additional years at a rate he feels is too low as just more team control.
Has this been shared? Jason Timpf ranked Steph #6 of his countdown. https://youtu.be/xOo48rb3Aco?si=6KgkxKMqIvHF0CNq
He’s still a big fan of Steph and had him neck-and-neck with Ant at 5/6. He said he’d take Steph in a playoff series, but Ant’s (best in the league) availability gave him the edge. The other four that haven’t been revealed yet are Luka, Giannis, Joker and SGA.
According to the actual 2024-25 Estimated Plus/Minus rankings, it goes:
1. SGA
2. Jokic
3. Doncic
4. Giannis
5. Wemby
6. Steph
7. Mitchell
8. Tatum
9. Haliburton
10. Zubac
11. Leonard
12. Mobley
13. AD
14. JJJ
15. Jimmy Buckets
16. Jalen Williams
17. Porzingis
18. Franz Wagner
19. Jarret Allen
20. Darius Garland
Ant is way down at 22. Of course, these are per minute rankings, so this metric doesn't take availability into account at all. And Tatum is out next season, so this pushes almost everybody below him up a spot.
But the top 15 above pass my eye test. After that, it gets a bit cloudy. Zubac and Jaren Jackson Jr. may be the most underrated players in the NBA. And as far as Timpf's ratings go, LeBron James (8), Brunson (9), Embiid (14), Booker (15), and Banchero (19) may be the most overrated. All are great players, but I don't think any were among the top 20 NBA players in terms of helping their teams win last season.
Embiid only played 19 games last season so he shouldn't even be on the list for that year. That's an incomplete. He might not be ready in time for training camp this year as well.
> LeBron James (8)
Timpf's purple and gold undies are showing.
I'm astonished at the lack of Bam Adebayo.
My take from this was, given Timpf ranks Steph as the 2nd best current offensive creator behind Jokic - being the #1 pull up threat, 44% off screen 3pt shooter, draws double teams, offball movement etc - for an undersized guard who'll turn 38 this season (what!?!), I think we might be underestimating just how long Steph can still play AND be elite (not just effective).
Yes Lebron has reached and sustained a playing level not seen before. But we've never seen a basketballer who has not 'relied' on athleticism or a physical advantage to be this good for this long.
Steph's got plenty of time before he's eligible to qualify for the senior PGA Tour. How long till Canon's old enough to enter the draft?!
Great writing once again, Daniel. I hope you feel better each day. We need you this season.
This has been a cruddy summer for optimistic offseason puff pieces, so I bring you: Dray and Jimmy Are in the LAB (courtesy of Dr. Alchemy):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq7MHQpszyw
Any idea whose house they were doing their workout? It looked like someone's home with the paintings and decor on the right.
Looks beautiful. Would love to be able to shoot hoops in a home basketball court like that.
That's my place :)
Totally.
Some day I want to try and play at the lovely Grace Farms court in CT (not my home court, alas, but a 30 minute drive from me)...
https://gracefarms.org/court
That looks nice. Wouldn't mind a basketball retreat weekend there
Should we start using the DNHQ "Merch Shop" as a euphemism for JK? Full of potential, a couple of flashes of brilliance, haven't seen anything substantial come to fruition but there is still hope 🤷🏽♂️
"Man, I really hope the "Merch Shop" gets sorted this off season so I can finally support and show off my team with pride!"
(What's this literary device called because I actually want the Merch Shop?!)
Also can we get a T-shirt with Steve and his 9 Rings saying "All I do is win."
It case it’s not obvious to people, there is an actual DNHQ merch store, which Duby is in charge of. https://dubnationhq.com/p/new-dnhq-merch-now-available
This is in contrast to the Apricot/APRIBOT gift shoppe which only exists in my imagination
Have you ever thought about displaying it more prominently on your site?
I had to ask you guys when I tried to find it.
You've since added the Merch line on the sidebar, but that's still not all that prominent.
For instance, you have the 'Home Archive Leaderboard About' line on the landing page.
I don't know if you can link to an external page there or not, but if not, maybe a link to the article that does have an external link (sort of a handle in programming terms).
These are excellent suggestions and I encourage you to bombard Daniel and Duby with this feedback.
:) I'll change my avatar to MerchDino.
What are these "flashes of brilliance"?
I love my shirt w/ Captain Klay on his boat
There was that logo sticker someone made!
Ahem, that would be your least favorite AI (other than Elon Musk).
I am currently sitting in a hotel room in Burgos, Spain with my bag.
It has that sticker (which I had printed up), and one from the merch site (the Mercury helmet logo is way cooler than my offcenter MS Paint-edited hack job).
Hang in there, I promise on the day of Grand Opening, everyone will get 2% off coupons
Don't you mean "30% OFF!"
(Kelenna channeling Ed McMahon)
30% OFF*
* offer only valid on Quinten Post orange spandex jumpsuit bobbleheads
:) Awesome.
I'd give JK an Incomplete. Missing 30+ games with injury and then coming back to try and fit with Jimmy in the lineup kind of washed out last year. Belief in yourself is good. Ambition is good. It just seems like he is expecting to get paid and play minutes based on his belief and ambition rather than proving it on the floor and in THIS system. I hope the fact that no other teams have snatched him up drives him to put that extra work in to become the entire player he can be. The greatest players don't succeed only because they believe in themselves, but by working, working, working. He's got the talent, I am just not sure he has the pissed off "I'll prove you all wrong" attitude/work ethic yet.
This Kuminga retrospective reminded me of the complicated relationship I've had with Kerr's coaching of Kuminga. On the one hand, I completely agree with his subtle criticisms of Kuminga's game, where he threw a shot across the bow stating that we "don't need contested 17-footers with 12 on the shot clock," and that with Curry, young players need to move the ball for a better shot."
On the other hand, all players have poor stretches and Kuminga's was a relatively minor three game one. He'd just had a blistering preseason where he averaged 14 pts on 55% from the field and 44% from deep. He'd just came off a season where he'd averaged 16 pts on 60 TS% and a +4.2 OnCourt plus minus.
Surely, he deserved the opportunity to play through a rough stretch. To get coached without getting automatically pulled allowing him to play through his mistakes. Its not as if Kerr hasn't done this before, surely we remember Wiggins averaging 12 pts/1 assit and hitting 56% of his free throws while shooting 26% from three all while posting a team worst 118.5 defensive rating. . . 17 GAMES INTO THE SEASON!!!!
Being pulled so fast, not truly being given a chance to play through ur mistakes and get coached to avoid them, is hellish for the confidence of young players. Also, speaking from personal experience, it also hampers trust with the coach.
Building confidence in young players . . . matters. There is a reason why Curry/Klay to this day laude Mark Jackson's influnece on them and how much he build them up mentally and gave them confidence. This type of thing matters .
To conclude, I wish Kerr had not been so quick to throw Kuminga back onto the bench. I wish Kerr had critiqued JK, coached him privately, but then allowed for him to play through his mistakes. I wish he had a longer leash on JK, but not so long as he had with Wiggins, if JK had not responding to the coaching and continued playing poorly at the 10 game mark THEN move him to the bench. Perhaps if THAT had been the approach, we wouldn't be having this weird offseason with JK's contract.
Yes. And I'd add my complicated feelings about the Warriors front office, drafting a bunch of teenagers for Kerr to juggle alongside the established stars. while trying to win another championship or three. I don't really want to litigate two timelines any more, but it's hard to imagine how the coach is supposed to do both things at once. Kerr basically picked a lane, they won another championship, and the youngsters didn't really develop. It's totally possible that Mark Jackson is better at developing young players than Kerr, but had Kerr been coaching the Dubs in 2012-13 he would also have been better at developing young players than the Kerr of a decade later who had other objectives.
I gave him a B, which is a kind grade, probably.
But, I mostly throw away the first dozen games or so, when he was clearly thinking he had to be Kobe and take every shot to showcase himself for a future signing.
There was good and there was bad, and I don't rightly know which is more representative of his future. I do think that this year was *heavily* affected by his contract status, and think there is some chance that if we do sign him, he can settle down and find a niche where he is productive and happy.
Call it hopium, I guess.
For all the mysteries about how much JK is who is he and how much he’s being held back by his situation, I find it interesting that teams have reportedly all landed almost exactly at the same annual value contracts, SAC ($63m/3y), PHX ($90m/4y), GSW ($45m/2y, partly influenced by other two contracts).
Bargain Bin Bryant
Our offer is a team option on the 2nd year though, if it was 2 years player option he might have signed already
Two-year player option is ludicrous. That basically gives JK nearly 3x his QO salary while ensuring that he can be an unrestricted free agent at the end of the season anyway. Why would the Ws offer that?
Probably the fairest for all concerned is a three-year with a team option at ~$70 million. No 'no trade' clause. Kuminga gets ~$45 million guaranteed and is traded, renewed, or an FA in two years.
This has been my proposed compromise the whole time. If he wants the third season guaranteed, he needs to give up a couple of million in salary to match the Kings' offer or else the Warriors will not be able to trade him as he desires. No team offered him a third season player option, so I don't see how the Warriors can do so. It's pretty clear what the current market thinks Kuminga is worth. Despite his tremendous athletic gifts, he's not portable enough to command more.
I think what is meant is two years guaranteed, third year player option.
And the dubs did offer more last year, but not a lot more, suggesting that last season did not up his value.
Great observation. It seems that - despite the buzz that "JK can be a star player", the poaching teams' offer seem to be the same as what the Dubs are offering.
I still remember the days when Brooklyn Nets offered Tyler Johnson and Allen Crabbe huge contracts in an attempt to poach them. And more surprising that Miami and Portland matched. I don't think either of them ever became a major contributor. I guess today's GM's have become smarter.
It's not the same? 3 yr and 4 yr contracts much different than gsws 2 yr with a team option. If he gets injured playing next year he could be done
“I just stick to my strengths. Look at everybody in the league. They don't pay players to play defense…they pay people to score the ball, and I would hope that somebody scores the ball on me if they paid them that much,”
It feels like Kuminga’s in that Jabari Parker conundrum.
Jaden McDaniels signed for 5 years, 136 million in 2023, averages 13 points per 36 minutes in his career.
Somehow I doubt JK is really this unaware of how the NBA works. Guys like, say Kyle Korver, *don't* get huge paychecks as they get played off the floor in big games due to their defensive limitations. Draymond gets paid despite his limitations as a shooter. Heck, Dennis Rodman made a career out of rebounding and playing defense.