Even though it makes sense for the team, still sad to part with Paschall, and "top-42 protected" is pretty weak.
But yeah, feels like we're pretty thin at the guard spot, especially guys who can handle and create shots. GPII and Mannion both feel like close but not quite rotation guys there. Would be nice to have a third guy besides Poole and Steph who can break the paint in half-court sets.
I know Mannion has been good with the Italian national team but I dunno... I suspect he's still a year away from helping us much. I'd like to be wrong.
We have more flexibility than it looks like from that roster listing though. Any combination of Klay, Lee, Wiggins, and Moody can play 2/3. JTA, Kuminga, and Porter can play 3/4. Dray is a 4/5 and can defend smaller players.
I think they REALLY see him as a Lou Williams type off the bench. There’s already playmaking from Steph and Dray in the starting lineup. Lee complements that with better 3&D.
I feel like some combination of Poole/Wiggins can fill in backup duty at the 2 spot behind Lee... playing big or small... and/or give whoever is the better defender out of Moody/Kuminga some run. It'll be ok, I think.
yep. if OPJ is healthy to start, OPJ and JTA can fill up SF minutes and the Klay load can be shared among Poole, Wiggins, Lee and a sprinkle of Moody. I'm okay with Poole and JTA logging big minutes, and give Lee some credit. He can hold is own for some long stretches. Not a difference maker, but he knows what he's doing.
Warriors are not crossing that 200 million dollar repeater tax threshold. At this point realistically I can see them using a portion of the mle on Andre and the other portion on Aaron baynes with hopefully an exception onOubre and call it a day and I would consider that a very successful offseason
Simmons to GSW rumors picking back up again...Wiggins+Looney and 2 future 1st for Simmons? We re-sign Oubre and bring Baynes on board to call it an offseason
~17:10 is when he talks about Kuminga's shot... how he's at least taking those shots vs. "some players" in the nba not willing to take them. Or maybe Bob is just trying to drive down Simmons' price *shrug*
Musings..... what if the Wizards didn't want one of KCP or Harrell and Beal would rather have his buddy Oubre. Or... what if the Pacers / Carlisle want Oubre and would be willing to deal Turner for him. [They just lost McBuckets to the Spurs in FA.]
Go back two years and the Warriors had to basically rebuild an entire rotation around the core. They spent a lot of minutes the last couple seasons trying to find guys that could be very cheap, solid rotation guys or better. I think successfully, they've got Lee, JTA and Poole (who can be better).
But the labwork is over. I think one of the conversations that probably was had with Steph, Klay, Dray is we are going to keep our lottery guys unless it's the right deal. But otherwise there's no scholarships left for guys who don't know their role on a winning team yet. They need the roster filled with proven vets or those truly high upside guys.
You can sell them that Kuminga could be the next Kawhi, and that's great for them either in a couple years or as a nearer term trade asset. You can't sell them that Smiley is the next Bjelica. Just go get Bjelica.
Paschall is better than Smiley by a long shot, but I'm just not at all surprised. Utah is actually a nice place for him to go develop, but it was a tough fit for him here.
Of course we did. Lacob hasn’t been shy about this. He’s saying uncle in all caps. Letting vets go rather than resigning them is the way of the future, unpess the team is winning championships and filling Chase in the process.
And will possibly cost even more than EP (Vet min is like 2-2.5m as opposed to Paschall's 1.8m), which kind of pokes a hole in the "Lacob is scrounging for pennies" narrative.
Even though it makes sense for the team, still sad to part with Paschall, and "top-42 protected" is pretty weak.
But yeah, feels like we're pretty thin at the guard spot, especially guys who can handle and create shots. GPII and Mannion both feel like close but not quite rotation guys there. Would be nice to have a third guy besides Poole and Steph who can break the paint in half-court sets.
I know Mannion has been good with the Italian national team but I dunno... I suspect he's still a year away from helping us much. I'd like to be wrong.
Nico, against Serbia, looked like Trae Young. Then in Japan he was inconsistent. I agree: he needs to mature, one season in G-league is ideal
Saben Lee returns to the Pistons.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1423062728193806336?s=21
2026 2nd round pick top-42 protected? Can you imagine the mess, since the league teams won’t be 30 anymore? Btw… bye bye Paschanimal, love.
@GSWReddit
Warriors Roster as of now:
G: Curry, Poole, Payton II, Mannion (RFA - QO)
G: Thompson, Lee, Mulder, McLaughlin (E10)
F: Wiggins, Moody, Kuminga
F: Green, Porter Jr., Toscano-Anderson
C: Looney, Wiseman, Bjelica
There's still the matter of Oubre's slot, isn't there? Or, did I miss something?
We could be surprised but that slot appears to be going away because it warps the budget into the next galaxy.
Unless they sign and trade Oubre for a TPE to be used later.
True. Of course we'd have to pay Oubre enough to make it worth his while and make a deal somewhere he wants to go.
Manion is 2-way, I think.
We're assuming Mannion will be 2-way but as I understand it the 2-way players are not signed yet.
So barring changes, that looks like Lee will be our starting two till Klay is ready, and we are real thin off the bench.
Going to feel a lot like last season I think, with lots of heroics needed by Steph on the daily (nightly?)
We have more flexibility than it looks like from that roster listing though. Any combination of Klay, Lee, Wiggins, and Moody can play 2/3. JTA, Kuminga, and Porter can play 3/4. Dray is a 4/5 and can defend smaller players.
I’d try Poole as a starter. Plus, with Moody at 2, JTA at 3, make room for Quese
I think they REALLY see him as a Lou Williams type off the bench. There’s already playmaking from Steph and Dray in the starting lineup. Lee complements that with better 3&D.
I feel like some combination of Poole/Wiggins can fill in backup duty at the 2 spot behind Lee... playing big or small... and/or give whoever is the better defender out of Moody/Kuminga some run. It'll be ok, I think.
yep. if OPJ is healthy to start, OPJ and JTA can fill up SF minutes and the Klay load can be shared among Poole, Wiggins, Lee and a sprinkle of Moody. I'm okay with Poole and JTA logging big minutes, and give Lee some credit. He can hold is own for some long stretches. Not a difference maker, but he knows what he's doing.
Yeah, I got hopes for Lee, Poole, and Wise...
https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1423046618757189636
Bobby Marks
@BobbyMarks42
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28m
Here is what the 5 teamer looks like
To WASH
Kuzma
KCP
Harrell
Dinwiddie
A. Holiday
Rights to I. Todd (#31)
To LAL
Westbook
To BKN
2024 2nd
2025 2nd (right to swap with GSW or WAS)
$11.5M Trade Exception
To IND
Rights to I. Jackson (#22)
To SAS
C. Hutchison
2022 2nd (WAS)
I like Washington's pickups here. Brooklyn getting some trade capital back also not a bad thing considering how much they gave up to acquire Harden
Ooh, BKN get a trade exception, that’s nice for them.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1423043146691321858
Looks like we're not part of this human centipede
“human centipede” make me laugh ; very descriptive
There’s a movie if you’re interested
Well aware, that’s why I laughed
Everyone hate us 😅
Dinwiddie S/T up to five teams. Mayo-bomb!
Lol. Sounds like a sandwich order that I would not like.
But THE thing to order at the Belgian fries place.
Or a good description of a really bad roll at a subpar sushi restaurant.
Or an innovatively bad combo sushi/sake menu item
With some thought. I'll pass on Baynes. Give me Birch or Chriss back.
Warriors are not crossing that 200 million dollar repeater tax threshold. At this point realistically I can see them using a portion of the mle on Andre and the other portion on Aaron baynes with hopefully an exception onOubre and call it a day and I would consider that a very successful offseason
Simmons to GSW rumors picking back up again...Wiggins+Looney and 2 future 1st for Simmons? We re-sign Oubre and bring Baynes on board to call it an offseason
I dunno... hearing Myers in the post-draft, he all but dissed Simmons by name:
https://youtu.be/CtyD22P06Yk?t=1030
~17:10 is when he talks about Kuminga's shot... how he's at least taking those shots vs. "some players" in the nba not willing to take them. Or maybe Bob is just trying to drive down Simmons' price *shrug*
Where are the sauces?
mmmmm, sauces
https://twitter.com/ScoopB/status/1423030327749001224
We don't know who's involved though that's just me speculating
I don't really follow twitter though so I don't know if this guy is credible or not
He's not. At all.whatsoever
Nah, Philly gets Steph, Green, and Lillard, while Portland get Wiseman and kuminga, and dubs get Simmons and wet poop
Lol no way we get Simmons without giving any of Wiseman, Moody, or Kuminga
"Take it or leave it, we don't need him as much as you need to get rid of him"
Blazers might just offer Mccollum then which makes way more sense for sixers
assuming we're dealing with an extremely desperate Morey
He's like a caged wild animal now. Nobody even sniffing around his wild fantasy.
Worse, people are MOCKING it.
And Simmons’ people threatening to not show up Harden style. If the Warriors are really interested in Simmons, they’ll wait it out…
If they really wanted to threaten the Sixers, he should threaten to show up. It would be... disruptive.
Speculation on the threat, of course
Musings..... what if the Wizards didn't want one of KCP or Harrell and Beal would rather have his buddy Oubre. Or... what if the Pacers / Carlisle want Oubre and would be willing to deal Turner for him. [They just lost McBuckets to the Spurs in FA.]
Go back two years and the Warriors had to basically rebuild an entire rotation around the core. They spent a lot of minutes the last couple seasons trying to find guys that could be very cheap, solid rotation guys or better. I think successfully, they've got Lee, JTA and Poole (who can be better).
But the labwork is over. I think one of the conversations that probably was had with Steph, Klay, Dray is we are going to keep our lottery guys unless it's the right deal. But otherwise there's no scholarships left for guys who don't know their role on a winning team yet. They need the roster filled with proven vets or those truly high upside guys.
You can sell them that Kuminga could be the next Kawhi, and that's great for them either in a couple years or as a nearer term trade asset. You can't sell them that Smiley is the next Bjelica. Just go get Bjelica.
Paschall is better than Smiley by a long shot, but I'm just not at all surprised. Utah is actually a nice place for him to go develop, but it was a tough fit for him here.
So now we're down to one of our 3 picks from 2 years ago. Honestly didn't think Poole would be the one still standing after his first season.
Woah, Aldridge considering a return after a recent medical consultation
Jared Butler had a heart issue and was just cleared before the draft... probably not related but a curious coincidence...
LaMarcus or David?
David Lee is making a comeback??? I'll take another D Lee on the team! lol
Aww. https://twitter.com/epaschall/status/1423032206755196930
Eric Paschall
@epaschall
Going to miss dub nation! Love y’all! Love my teammates!
5:24 PM · Aug 4, 2021
Maybe we did do it for the money..
https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1423032539522949121?s=20
Good description on how rigorous the repeater tax is:
GSW tax bill
Before: $184.8M
After: $172.9M
Moving off of $1.8M in salary saves $12M
Of course we did. Lacob hasn’t been shy about this. He’s saying uncle in all caps. Letting vets go rather than resigning them is the way of the future, unpess the team is winning championships and filling Chase in the process.
:eyeroll
Doubtful. You think we're leaving the roster spot open? That's the only scenario where it saves money. Paschall was making peanuts.
a) wouldn’t shock me b) it was more a reference to holding on to him after this year
It should shock you. As Crusty Quips notes below, they're likely to lose money on the deal, not save it.
I don't get point B. Can you elaborate?
I don't think it is the money as much as it frees up a roster spot that can be used for veteran that is a better fit.
And will possibly cost even more than EP (Vet min is like 2-2.5m as opposed to Paschall's 1.8m), which kind of pokes a hole in the "Lacob is scrounging for pennies" narrative.
Vet mins are league subsidized after ~$1.7m
…which is why my eyes rolled
Correct.