I wonder if Myers was getting heavy vibes from Lacob & whoever is in the Inner Circle that some move he didn't want to make (like moving Dray or Klay) seems inevitable. Maybe he'd rather ride off into the sunset now instead of having "breaking up the Big 3" on his resume.
The new CBA makes it much harder on the GM. Poole, Klay and Dray will all be stressful conversations and negotiations. I don't blame him for not wanting to deal with all that. But a fresh face like MDJ probably sees this as a fun challenge to figure out.
“While everyone else was jubilant, Myers said he was a little sad. His family was not at the game. His wife had recently given birth and was at home.”
For anyone who has been there - is there a more special time than this as a partnership (parents) than the birth of a child? I get it. Sometimes, no matter how much the virtue, you can run out of juice to squeeze
Jun 1, 2023·edited Jun 1, 2023Liked by punk basketball
I vaguely remember that when Myers was hired, some people were concerned that he was an agent, but it turned out to be an under-rated positive.
Also (from a 2012 article):
"Myers played a part in the trade that netted 2005 No. 1 overall pick Andrew Bogut -- expected to be the franchise center starting next season when he's healthy -- from Milwaukee in exchange for leading scorer Monta Ellis among others, and in drafting standout rookie shooting guard Klay Thompson to be Ellis' replacement previously."
So even though he didn't take over for Larry Riley immediately, he did have at least a large say in most of the (non-Curry, although 99% of the Bay Area could've made the decision to draft Curry) dynasty-starting moves.
think they'd also be smart to try & sign Dray to a declining deal, take the up front pain of repeater payments this year for an easier path out of the SuperTax going forward
Agreed—declining deals for dray and klay might make it possible to open up room for potential extensions for Kuminga/moody that would need to kick in in the 25-26 season.
If you keep everybody currently under contract (Steph, Wiggins, Poole, GPII, etc) getting under the projected second apron for ‘24-25 requires resigning Klay + dray for ~$37 M combined. I could see them resigning for $20-25 M each, but resigning for $18 M each seems like a tough sell.
But yes, if klay and dray both take discounts, getting under the second apron becomes achievable with a bit more maneuvering.
There was projected to be a cap spike with the new TV deal, but the new CBA has cap smoothing that will limit the cap increase to 10% per year. These projections account for the expected increase in the cap.
Given that increases on a lot of contracts are 8% per year, a 10% yearly cap increase won’t do much to actually create more room to work with under the cap. This is different than in 2016, when there was a 32% cap spike in one season. The previous cap spike was perceived to be a bit unfair—it benefited FAs that summer as they all got crazy contracts, but anybody who wasn’t a FA that summer missed out. Cap smoothing should avoid that.
I just don't see either Klay or Dray taking 50% pay cuts (in Klay's case, more like 2/3). They have a lot of pride, and Klay seems like he thinks he's getting better.
Is there a provision in new CBA which will go into effect for 24-25 season and makes it advantageous for FO to extend Klay this year? I don't think so but rollout of new CBA is confusing at the least. So what do I kow.
Unlike Dray this year, he doesn't have player option after coming year. So he will be risking his future earnings significantly if gets serious injury (please No, BBGods) during this coming year. So it would make sense for him to sign extension. But Dubs aren't going to give a big $ extension. At the same time, knowing Klay he would bet on himself. So essentially a stalemate and decision kicks down to next year
How many GMs can be showered with praise when deciding to leave their job? Most wear out their welcome with the players, fans, and owners, and can't get out of town fast enough.
I feel like a healthy NBA ought to have a place for this kind of player, but unless he gets more athletic, he probably won’t be drafted next year either
Because of the new CBA, there are likely to be some good names in the buy-out market this year as high salary teams feel the crunch and need to shed some salary at the deadline. If we are above the 2nd Apron, we lose the right to sign a buy out player as well as lose our TPMLE ($7,021,000). Getting under the 2nd Apron opens all kinds of doors.
1. Dray 3 year 75 mil (yr1 22.5m, yr2 25m yr3 27.5m)
Dray takes a short haircut in years 1 and 2 (his penance) and gets his 27.5 mil opt in number in yr 3.
2. Poole & GP2 head to SAS for Center Charles Bassey, 2nd round picks 24, 25, 26, 27 and 1st rd pick via ATL 2028
3. TPMLE 7 mil to be split between FA
a) Spurs PG Tre Jones 29min 12.9 pts 3.6 reb 6.6 ast 1.3 stl
b) BRK SF Yuta Watanabe 6'9" wing, High IQ, .444 3 pt%
4. Select #19 at 2.7 mil rookie salary
5. 2 million left over in the buyout market to snag a ring chasing rent-a-player
ALL of this fits under 179.5 mil.
Competent backup PG
Talented high IQ sharpshooting wing
Young promising backup big
Ty Jerome (if Steph makes a fuss about his new BFF) or Lester Q takes the 3rd play maker spot.
Final Roster
Steph - Klay - Wiggs - JK - Loon
Tre Jones - Moody - Watanabe - Dray - Bassey
Ty or Lester - Rollins - PBJ - #19 Pick - Vet in the buyout market.
1 trade, 2 teams, 3 players, 2 FA signings, one extension. Eesy-Peasy.
Offer Klay a team friendly extension (3 for 75 to 85?)
Let Kerr ride out the season just so reporters can ask him about his contract all season. I would find that very amusing.
That's today's basketball sudoku. Comments? Additions? Subtractions? Remember, we don't have a GM. It may be up to us. LOL
We can disagree and I'm not doing it because I don't like him. In my mind, IF you are to get under 179.5 mil, it's either him or JK. If you think 29 yr old GP2 has more potential value to the team than 20 something JK, that's ok. Swap JK and GP2 in in all of these, but lose 2.7 mil for potential FA signings and likely the buyout option. If Dray and GP2 on team, you trade JK because he will never see the court. That's fine, I'm not gonna argue that much. But with JK gone, Dray will have to start and play starter minutes which I don't think is a good thing at his age. I would like to see him be the new Iggy and preserve his body more throughout the regular season. JK minutes can help with that. It all comes down to Poole and GP2 having the right amount of salary to get out of that makes this work. Its business, not personal. lol
I do think that GP2's presence is a real roadblock for Kuminga's minutes (unless he becomes either a reliable shooter or a reliable center), idk how to resolve it cause I like both (I guess hopefully Kuminga becomes either a reliable shooter or a reliable center)
If GP2 is a roadblock for JK, then the Dubs traded a player they won't play to get a player they will play so they can keep a player they should play on the bench. What a stupid deal.
OK, I'll address that: I haven't exactly done the math, but approximately right now the total salary for next season is just a tick over 200M and Poole alone makes a tick under 28M next year. That means Poole alone gets them 6 or 7ish M under.
However, I think you're trying to walk a middle ground and I don't think the team will do that (unless they can trade Poole into a teams available $$ and not take salary back). They will either run it back and take the one year hit or blow a lot of it up and also try to trade Klay's expiring contract. I don't think they will blow it up for 2 reasons. One is that they were pretty close to good this year and a reasonable argument could be made that a few minor tweaks + improvements by JK,MM & PBJ + better team chemistry gets it done next year and two is that blowing it up may cost them more in future assets than it's worth and it's better to take the one year hit than to trade away too much.
After 1 year of being the most awesome all-in 24/7 dedicated stay at home Dad and husband, Bob is going to say to his wife for the umpteenth time, "Hey, I'm headed to Trader Joe's to get something for dinner, honey. What would you like me to get?"
To which she will reply, "Huh, how about a job, Bob."
(3 girls shout "Yeahs" from the nearby living room.)
Does Bud get the Boston job? Boston is a rough spot, not too different than us. Our GM and their coach (likely) gone. Massive roster decisions around key players. Cap issues to battle. I think its time for Brad Stevens to hire Bob Meyers as his replacement and get back in the coaching game. Then hire Mark Jackson as an assistant coach and really screw with the Universe. LOL
I thought they would go for Nurse or Monty, given their experience and preference for a short rotation of vets. But both guys getting offers before Boston got knocked out does hinder that plan a bit
So with Monty Williams being close to signing on with the Pistons, what will it mean for friend of the program James Wiseman. Question mainly based on his well documented strife with Deandre Ayton. I just cant see Wiseman getting any regular rotation minutes this next year. Did see an interesting trade suggestion involving Wiseman to Washington. Honestly thats the only remaining place i could see him getting any concrete developmental minutes complementing Daniel Gafford (i dont see Porzingis staying there if Washington is committed to a full rebuild)
Williams' problems with Ayton are nothing like Wise. Ayton can play but wouldn't go into a game that was a lost cause. Wise is willing but can't really play yet.
Ayton wouldn't go into a 30-point blowout elimination game to play for a team that would not extend his contract. EVERY BIG MAN knows the cautionary tale of DeMarcus Cousins. Ayton did not want to injure himself in a lost cause and miss out on any chance of a max extension with some other team. Ayton did for himself what Bob Myers did for Dray--pull him out of a lost elimination game because getting injured would not be worth it. That Williams was sending Ayton back in, knowing his contract status, doesn't speak highly of Coach Williams in my view.
A quick review of the draft under Bob Meyers. I am leaving out 2020 and 2021 because the votes have yet to be tallied.
From 2011 to 2019 (9 NBA years) the Warriors had the following picks. Also, I will put where player was placed in ReDrafts from the HoopsHype Website in parenthesis. In nine years, this is 8 first round picks or the equivalent of drafting 24th every year and missing one year. And 7 second round picks that averaged picking 39th in the draft and missing two years.
I will say this for the last time, criticizing the job Bob Meyers has done in the draft given the hit rate for all GMS is like criticizing the Mona Lisa because her smile is crooked. Bob Meyers went dumpster diving behind a 7/11 for 9 years, took the scraps of junk food he found out of that dumpster, then went on and won on Iron Chef, 4 times!
And for all of those folks who are so excited to sell out our current youth for the Dennis Schroeders of the NBA, look at the history. We haven’t missed on a Lottery Pick (Wiseman, JK, Moody, the jury is still out). Two of four late 1st round picks have rated out as lottery picks (is PBJ next?)
Take this under advisement. If we get short sided and sell out our youth, there is a damn good chance we are going to regret it later (and I mean a mere year later). When you outperform the average like Bob has, it’s not luck. And if the organization decides to take a grand detour from the path that Bob has laid out before his departure, we are in for some major suckage. We saw the troubles Looney and Poole went through, but we stuck with both and both were critical in bringing in a 4th Chip. You just have to have trust, have faith, and allow it to happen. I’m going all in on what Bob had in his hand. Why? Because I trusted his judgment over anyone else in that organization. I’m a paying member of the Ride or Die with Bob Fan Club because trusting that guy has paid huge dividends. And if you don’t think so, go through Philadelphia’s 9 years of draft picks and put them up against ours.
Bob, you will be missed. Let’s hope and pray that the Warrior’s new FO remembers what you taught them.
With all due respect to Myers, every draft pick we've gotten after Looney has been a bust, even 2019 Poole, whom many fans are calling to be traded(not me). Do I really believe that another GM could have done better since Looney? I know it's impossible to answer this question but if you think about it, Bob hasn't done so well in recent years in the draft.
Yup, 2rd Jordan Bell giving us anything at all is a bust, 7 yr vet Damian Jones busted (as the final pick of the 1rd) and championship lightning in the bottle Poole was a bust. I often agree with you BB but I don't get your logic here. They might not be HRs, but hitting singles and doubles scores runs too.
For the record Myers et al. could have done better during the down years, they made miscalls and aren't perfect. In retrospect, losing Brown and not having someone in the same level that could connect with the roster in Browns way was bad this year. Our defense regressed hella hard and idk if Draymond's excuse/ explanation is right. We all know about Haliburton. But I don't think it's reasonable to say every pick since 16 was a bust given where those picks they picked and expected outcomes from those picks.
If you read my post correctly, I don't call Poole a bust. He is the only draftee that has stuck on the roster. There seemed to be a disconnect between Kerr and the usefulness of the draft. Still is with Moody and JFK. You draft players that can help Kerr and fit into the lineups. Jury still out on Moody and JFK. Will they stick?
I liked Dante but he wasn't what we really needed. Myers was part of a team, not the architect of this dynasty. He helped sustain it. Getting Curry was the best thing that. ever happened to this franchise. Don Nelson, thank you. Jerry West, thank you for Klay &. KD. Team approach to Green, Bogut trade, and signing vets. Myers did his job well. He was brought in for his relationships with athletes and negotiation skills, extremely. important skills to have. Thanks to Lacob for reaching deep down into his coffers to pay top dollar to players.
I didn't get that from your writing at all. I agree with you that Myers was amazing lol. My post highlights areas the team could have performed better, but they've been good.
Ok, Bob was having coffee in the waiting room when Klay drafted. Feel free to delete that year, but doesn't impact the analysis. What he did with all picks between 28 and 35 was high art.
Bob Myers was the best GM this organization ever had and he is undoubtedly a Warrior for life. I will miss him dearly. I hope whatever he does next in his life brings him happiness. If our next GM can even approach how good Myers was at his job, GSW will be in decent shape. That's not a given by any stretch.
Myers has screwed up plenty. For years they drafted guys who were not very athletic or weak in several areas who are either no longer in the league or hardly playing such as: Chiozza, Jordan Bell, Mannion, Smailagic, Ky Bowman, Cauley-Stein, Jacob Evans, Zach Norvell, Jeremy Pargo, Chasson Randle, Casspi, Boucher, McCaw!, McCadoo, Damian Jones. And he missed getting guys who were getable who are now killing it on other teams. Look at the transformation the Lakers did midseason this year. What did we do even though we were having a crappy year? Nada. We gave away Wiseman for nothing and got back GP2 who we never should have let go to begin with. Sure KD was a killer move but he couldn't hold onto him. There were so many missed opportunities. He got Steph and Klay handed to him so it's like he started on 3rd base. As well as they did these past years they could have done even better, a lot better.
This is a nitpick but Boucher is in the league and playing 20 minutes per game still.
The only young guy that the Warriors gave up on who probably made them regret giving up on him? Usually when the Warriors move on from a guy they are right.
Myers did not "Draft" Chiozza, Bowman, Cauley-Stein, McAdoo, Norvell, Randle, Casspi, Boucher, etc... When you have a team of maxed out contracts you have to fill it with what you can. Those that you listed were mostly two-ways or end of the bench players. Some (Bell, McAdoo, McCaw and Jones) even contributed to a championship.
I don't think Myers' record is flawless by any means, but all of the names you mentioned except for low FRP Evans, Jones, and McCaw were second-rounders, UDFA, or vet mins. Those are *expected* to fail at a high rate. His hit rate on contributors in these categories is not bad at all.
Makes sense to me. VanVleet's a hard worker, plays a ton of minutes, and has a skillset that seems like it would complement Embiid's pretty well. Plus, he doesn't have a history of burning out when the postseason is just getting interesting...
I wonder if Myers was getting heavy vibes from Lacob & whoever is in the Inner Circle that some move he didn't want to make (like moving Dray or Klay) seems inevitable. Maybe he'd rather ride off into the sunset now instead of having "breaking up the Big 3" on his resume.
Or maybe he’s just tired and wants a break.
The new CBA makes it much harder on the GM. Poole, Klay and Dray will all be stressful conversations and negotiations. I don't blame him for not wanting to deal with all that. But a fresh face like MDJ probably sees this as a fun challenge to figure out.
This. Not that I know anything -- just speculating.
I’m late to the wake, but this -
“While everyone else was jubilant, Myers said he was a little sad. His family was not at the game. His wife had recently given birth and was at home.”
For anyone who has been there - is there a more special time than this as a partnership (parents) than the birth of a child? I get it. Sometimes, no matter how much the virtue, you can run out of juice to squeeze
I vaguely remember that when Myers was hired, some people were concerned that he was an agent, but it turned out to be an under-rated positive.
Also (from a 2012 article):
"Myers played a part in the trade that netted 2005 No. 1 overall pick Andrew Bogut -- expected to be the franchise center starting next season when he's healthy -- from Milwaukee in exchange for leading scorer Monta Ellis among others, and in drafting standout rookie shooting guard Klay Thompson to be Ellis' replacement previously."
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/7851815/golden-state-warriors-promote-bob-myers-general-manager
So even though he didn't take over for Larry Riley immediately, he did have at least a large say in most of the (non-Curry, although 99% of the Bay Area could've made the decision to draft Curry) dynasty-starting moves.
Yea, I recall that hiring Kerr was greeted with some “oh, and now the hot-shot agent hires a broadcaster.”
Not going to happen, but Klay taking a Wiggins-type extension would instantly solve any tax apron problems in 2024.
think they'd also be smart to try & sign Dray to a declining deal, take the up front pain of repeater payments this year for an easier path out of the SuperTax going forward
Agreed—declining deals for dray and klay might make it possible to open up room for potential extensions for Kuminga/moody that would need to kick in in the 25-26 season.
If you keep everybody currently under contract (Steph, Wiggins, Poole, GPII, etc) getting under the projected second apron for ‘24-25 requires resigning Klay + dray for ~$37 M combined. I could see them resigning for $20-25 M each, but resigning for $18 M each seems like a tough sell.
But yes, if klay and dray both take discounts, getting under the second apron becomes achievable with a bit more maneuvering.
Isn't there a cap spike coming or is that baked into the projections?
There was projected to be a cap spike with the new TV deal, but the new CBA has cap smoothing that will limit the cap increase to 10% per year. These projections account for the expected increase in the cap.
Given that increases on a lot of contracts are 8% per year, a 10% yearly cap increase won’t do much to actually create more room to work with under the cap. This is different than in 2016, when there was a 32% cap spike in one season. The previous cap spike was perceived to be a bit unfair—it benefited FAs that summer as they all got crazy contracts, but anybody who wasn’t a FA that summer missed out. Cap smoothing should avoid that.
It'll probably happen imo
I just don't see either Klay or Dray taking 50% pay cuts (in Klay's case, more like 2/3). They have a lot of pride, and Klay seems like he thinks he's getting better.
I don't know about 50% but both guys want to win more than anything else, so they'll figure out how to do that imo.
Lord willing
I think that’s a good contract for Klay at this point of his career. From us or anyone else
I also think its possible, given the fact that GS ante'd up with a max when he was injured.
Is there a provision in new CBA which will go into effect for 24-25 season and makes it advantageous for FO to extend Klay this year? I don't think so but rollout of new CBA is confusing at the least. So what do I kow.
Unlike Dray this year, he doesn't have player option after coming year. So he will be risking his future earnings significantly if gets serious injury (please No, BBGods) during this coming year. So it would make sense for him to sign extension. But Dubs aren't going to give a big $ extension. At the same time, knowing Klay he would bet on himself. So essentially a stalemate and decision kicks down to next year
That be awesome.
It might happen… he’s not getting any younger.
How many GMs can be showered with praise when deciding to leave their job? Most wear out their welcome with the players, fans, and owners, and can't get out of town fast enough.
Edey withdraws from the draft.
I feel like a healthy NBA ought to have a place for this kind of player, but unless he gets more athletic, he probably won’t be drafted next year either
Survival of the fittest…
That guy didn't have the highest ceiling in the draft, he NEEDED the highest ceiling in the draft. Dude is massive.
Because of the new CBA, there are likely to be some good names in the buy-out market this year as high salary teams feel the crunch and need to shed some salary at the deadline. If we are above the 2nd Apron, we lose the right to sign a buy out player as well as lose our TPMLE ($7,021,000). Getting under the 2nd Apron opens all kinds of doors.
1. Dray 3 year 75 mil (yr1 22.5m, yr2 25m yr3 27.5m)
Dray takes a short haircut in years 1 and 2 (his penance) and gets his 27.5 mil opt in number in yr 3.
2. Poole & GP2 head to SAS for Center Charles Bassey, 2nd round picks 24, 25, 26, 27 and 1st rd pick via ATL 2028
3. TPMLE 7 mil to be split between FA
a) Spurs PG Tre Jones 29min 12.9 pts 3.6 reb 6.6 ast 1.3 stl
b) BRK SF Yuta Watanabe 6'9" wing, High IQ, .444 3 pt%
4. Select #19 at 2.7 mil rookie salary
5. 2 million left over in the buyout market to snag a ring chasing rent-a-player
ALL of this fits under 179.5 mil.
Competent backup PG
Talented high IQ sharpshooting wing
Young promising backup big
Ty Jerome (if Steph makes a fuss about his new BFF) or Lester Q takes the 3rd play maker spot.
Final Roster
Steph - Klay - Wiggs - JK - Loon
Tre Jones - Moody - Watanabe - Dray - Bassey
Ty or Lester - Rollins - PBJ - #19 Pick - Vet in the buyout market.
1 trade, 2 teams, 3 players, 2 FA signings, one extension. Eesy-Peasy.
Offer Klay a team friendly extension (3 for 75 to 85?)
Let Kerr ride out the season just so reporters can ask him about his contract all season. I would find that very amusing.
That's today's basketball sudoku. Comments? Additions? Subtractions? Remember, we don't have a GM. It may be up to us. LOL
Stop trying to trade GP2.
We can disagree and I'm not doing it because I don't like him. In my mind, IF you are to get under 179.5 mil, it's either him or JK. If you think 29 yr old GP2 has more potential value to the team than 20 something JK, that's ok. Swap JK and GP2 in in all of these, but lose 2.7 mil for potential FA signings and likely the buyout option. If Dray and GP2 on team, you trade JK because he will never see the court. That's fine, I'm not gonna argue that much. But with JK gone, Dray will have to start and play starter minutes which I don't think is a good thing at his age. I would like to see him be the new Iggy and preserve his body more throughout the regular season. JK minutes can help with that. It all comes down to Poole and GP2 having the right amount of salary to get out of that makes this work. Its business, not personal. lol
I'd keep GP2 over Kuminga if that's a choice the Warriors have to make. But I'm sure I'm in the minority on that.
I do think that GP2's presence is a real roadblock for Kuminga's minutes (unless he becomes either a reliable shooter or a reliable center), idk how to resolve it cause I like both (I guess hopefully Kuminga becomes either a reliable shooter or a reliable center)
If GP2 is a roadblock for JK, then the Dubs traded a player they won't play to get a player they will play so they can keep a player they should play on the bench. What a stupid deal.
OK, I'll address that: I haven't exactly done the math, but approximately right now the total salary for next season is just a tick over 200M and Poole alone makes a tick under 28M next year. That means Poole alone gets them 6 or 7ish M under.
However, I think you're trying to walk a middle ground and I don't think the team will do that (unless they can trade Poole into a teams available $$ and not take salary back). They will either run it back and take the one year hit or blow a lot of it up and also try to trade Klay's expiring contract. I don't think they will blow it up for 2 reasons. One is that they were pretty close to good this year and a reasonable argument could be made that a few minor tweaks + improvements by JK,MM & PBJ + better team chemistry gets it done next year and two is that blowing it up may cost them more in future assets than it's worth and it's better to take the one year hit than to trade away too much.
As I keep saying, full seasons from Wiggins and GP2 (instead of 37 and 7 games respectively) are minor tweaks that should have a major impact.
And everybody else
After 1 year of being the most awesome all-in 24/7 dedicated stay at home Dad and husband, Bob is going to say to his wife for the umpteenth time, "Hey, I'm headed to Trader Joe's to get something for dinner, honey. What would you like me to get?"
To which she will reply, "Huh, how about a job, Bob."
(3 girls shout "Yeahs" from the nearby living room.)
;-) Happy trails, Bob.
Does Bud get the Boston job? Boston is a rough spot, not too different than us. Our GM and their coach (likely) gone. Massive roster decisions around key players. Cap issues to battle. I think its time for Brad Stevens to hire Bob Meyers as his replacement and get back in the coaching game. Then hire Mark Jackson as an assistant coach and really screw with the Universe. LOL
I thought they would go for Nurse or Monty, given their experience and preference for a short rotation of vets. But both guys getting offers before Boston got knocked out does hinder that plan a bit
So with Monty Williams being close to signing on with the Pistons, what will it mean for friend of the program James Wiseman. Question mainly based on his well documented strife with Deandre Ayton. I just cant see Wiseman getting any regular rotation minutes this next year. Did see an interesting trade suggestion involving Wiseman to Washington. Honestly thats the only remaining place i could see him getting any concrete developmental minutes complementing Daniel Gafford (i dont see Porzingis staying there if Washington is committed to a full rebuild)
Williams' problems with Ayton are nothing like Wise. Ayton can play but wouldn't go into a game that was a lost cause. Wise is willing but can't really play yet.
Ayton wouldn't go into a 30-point blowout elimination game to play for a team that would not extend his contract. EVERY BIG MAN knows the cautionary tale of DeMarcus Cousins. Ayton did not want to injure himself in a lost cause and miss out on any chance of a max extension with some other team. Ayton did for himself what Bob Myers did for Dray--pull him out of a lost elimination game because getting injured would not be worth it. That Williams was sending Ayton back in, knowing his contract status, doesn't speak highly of Coach Williams in my view.
Ayton averaged 30 minutes a game under Williams and got a max contract?
What a beautiful tribute. Thank you, Duby!
Thanks for being here for it, Janet!
A quick review of the draft under Bob Meyers. I am leaving out 2020 and 2021 because the votes have yet to be tallied.
From 2011 to 2019 (9 NBA years) the Warriors had the following picks. Also, I will put where player was placed in ReDrafts from the HoopsHype Website in parenthesis. In nine years, this is 8 first round picks or the equivalent of drafting 24th every year and missing one year. And 7 second round picks that averaged picking 39th in the draft and missing two years.
2011: #11 Klay (4th), #39 & # 44 (busts).
2012: #7 HB (6th), #30 Ezeli (Injury), #35 Dray (3rd)
2013: #30 Nedovic (bust)
2014: nada
2015: #30 Looney (11th)
2016: #30 Damian Jones (25th)
2017: #38 Jordan Bell (26th)
2018: #28 J Evans (bust)
2019: #29 J Poole (5th), #39 Smiley (bust), #41 Paschal (1st team rookie/bust)
Of 7 late 2nd Rd picks
4 busts
2 rated higher in redrafts (including Paschal because of his All-Rookie Honors)
1 game Changing Hall of Famer
Of 2 lottery picks
2 rated higher in redrafts.
Of the 6 1st round picks between 28-30 in the draft. (Practically 2nd round picks)
2 busts
1 lost to injury (Ezeli)
1 rated a little higher in redraft (Jones)
2 turned into Lottery Picks (Loon and Poole)
In the same 9-year period, PHI had the following picks:
1st Round: 1, 1, 3, 3, 6, 11, 12, 15, 16, 16, 20, 24, 25, 26, 26, 27 (16 total, 7 lottery)
2nd Round: 32, 36, 37, 39, 47, 50, 50, 52, 54, 54, 54, 60 (12 total)
GSW had
1st Round: 7, 11, 28, 29, 30, 30, 30, 30 (8 total, 2 lottery)
2nd Round: 35, 38, 38, 39, 39, 41, 44 (7 total)
I will say this for the last time, criticizing the job Bob Meyers has done in the draft given the hit rate for all GMS is like criticizing the Mona Lisa because her smile is crooked. Bob Meyers went dumpster diving behind a 7/11 for 9 years, took the scraps of junk food he found out of that dumpster, then went on and won on Iron Chef, 4 times!
And for all of those folks who are so excited to sell out our current youth for the Dennis Schroeders of the NBA, look at the history. We haven’t missed on a Lottery Pick (Wiseman, JK, Moody, the jury is still out). Two of four late 1st round picks have rated out as lottery picks (is PBJ next?)
Take this under advisement. If we get short sided and sell out our youth, there is a damn good chance we are going to regret it later (and I mean a mere year later). When you outperform the average like Bob has, it’s not luck. And if the organization decides to take a grand detour from the path that Bob has laid out before his departure, we are in for some major suckage. We saw the troubles Looney and Poole went through, but we stuck with both and both were critical in bringing in a 4th Chip. You just have to have trust, have faith, and allow it to happen. I’m going all in on what Bob had in his hand. Why? Because I trusted his judgment over anyone else in that organization. I’m a paying member of the Ride or Die with Bob Fan Club because trusting that guy has paid huge dividends. And if you don’t think so, go through Philadelphia’s 9 years of draft picks and put them up against ours.
Bob, you will be missed. Let’s hope and pray that the Warrior’s new FO remembers what you taught them.
With all due respect to Myers, every draft pick we've gotten after Looney has been a bust, even 2019 Poole, whom many fans are calling to be traded(not me). Do I really believe that another GM could have done better since Looney? I know it's impossible to answer this question but if you think about it, Bob hasn't done so well in recent years in the draft.
Yup, 2rd Jordan Bell giving us anything at all is a bust, 7 yr vet Damian Jones busted (as the final pick of the 1rd) and championship lightning in the bottle Poole was a bust. I often agree with you BB but I don't get your logic here. They might not be HRs, but hitting singles and doubles scores runs too.
For the record Myers et al. could have done better during the down years, they made miscalls and aren't perfect. In retrospect, losing Brown and not having someone in the same level that could connect with the roster in Browns way was bad this year. Our defense regressed hella hard and idk if Draymond's excuse/ explanation is right. We all know about Haliburton. But I don't think it's reasonable to say every pick since 16 was a bust given where those picks they picked and expected outcomes from those picks.
If you read my post correctly, I don't call Poole a bust. He is the only draftee that has stuck on the roster. There seemed to be a disconnect between Kerr and the usefulness of the draft. Still is with Moody and JFK. You draft players that can help Kerr and fit into the lineups. Jury still out on Moody and JFK. Will they stick?
I liked Dante but he wasn't what we really needed. Myers was part of a team, not the architect of this dynasty. He helped sustain it. Getting Curry was the best thing that. ever happened to this franchise. Don Nelson, thank you. Jerry West, thank you for Klay &. KD. Team approach to Green, Bogut trade, and signing vets. Myers did his job well. He was brought in for his relationships with athletes and negotiation skills, extremely. important skills to have. Thanks to Lacob for reaching deep down into his coffers to pay top dollar to players.
I didn't get that from your writing at all. I agree with you that Myers was amazing lol. My post highlights areas the team could have performed better, but they've been good.
I know it’s a common mistake, but after 12 years and four titles, let’s show the man a little respect; it’s “Myers”.
In Bobgod I will always trust. Thank you for doing the deep dive!
A reminder about West's influence on the Dubs. https://www.nba.com/news/report-jerry-west-leaving-warriors-clippers
Ok, Bob was having coffee in the waiting room when Klay drafted. Feel free to delete that year, but doesn't impact the analysis. What he did with all picks between 28 and 35 was high art.
Bob Myers was the best GM this organization ever had and he is undoubtedly a Warrior for life. I will miss him dearly. I hope whatever he does next in his life brings him happiness. If our next GM can even approach how good Myers was at his job, GSW will be in decent shape. That's not a given by any stretch.
Myers has screwed up plenty. For years they drafted guys who were not very athletic or weak in several areas who are either no longer in the league or hardly playing such as: Chiozza, Jordan Bell, Mannion, Smailagic, Ky Bowman, Cauley-Stein, Jacob Evans, Zach Norvell, Jeremy Pargo, Chasson Randle, Casspi, Boucher, McCaw!, McCadoo, Damian Jones. And he missed getting guys who were getable who are now killing it on other teams. Look at the transformation the Lakers did midseason this year. What did we do even though we were having a crappy year? Nada. We gave away Wiseman for nothing and got back GP2 who we never should have let go to begin with. Sure KD was a killer move but he couldn't hold onto him. There were so many missed opportunities. He got Steph and Klay handed to him so it's like he started on 3rd base. As well as they did these past years they could have done even better, a lot better.
A lot of 2nd rounders, minimum salary and undrafted guys on your list. We’re you expecting stars there?
Edit: I see I others have made similar comments, but mine is on top, so therefore superior.
This is a nitpick but Boucher is in the league and playing 20 minutes per game still.
The only young guy that the Warriors gave up on who probably made them regret giving up on him? Usually when the Warriors move on from a guy they are right.
Here's a blast.
Damian Jones has been in the league seven! years already. I still think of him as a young kid, but it's not really true anymore.
It would have been nice to have him as an option last year (although he's not that great a defender).
Myers did not "Draft" Chiozza, Bowman, Cauley-Stein, McAdoo, Norvell, Randle, Casspi, Boucher, etc... When you have a team of maxed out contracts you have to fill it with what you can. Those that you listed were mostly two-ways or end of the bench players. Some (Bell, McAdoo, McCaw and Jones) even contributed to a championship.
I don't think Myers' record is flawless by any means, but all of the names you mentioned except for low FRP Evans, Jones, and McCaw were second-rounders, UDFA, or vet mins. Those are *expected* to fail at a high rate. His hit rate on contributors in these categories is not bad at all.
Mccaw was also a second round pick.
That's multi-time NBA champion, Patrick McCaw
Patrick Three Ringed McCaw
Threepeat, bro
My bad, drafted at 38. He played like a first-round pick for a bit until Vince Carter basically ended his career: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRXxZy9tvds
I want Jarace Walker. Any chance Detroit (who has the cap room) trades the #5 pick straight up for Poole? He did play at Michigan ...
I also want Walker, but I don't think there is a chance in hell that JP alone would yield the #5 pick. Maybe if you added JK and #19.
I'd think about that. Definitely #19. Hope?wish they make a call ...
Sources: Fred VanVleet has emerged as an offseason target for the Philadelphia 76ers with James Harden's future in Philadelphia being unclear.
https://twitter.com/brettsiegelnba/status/1663956149010415616
That's actually a solid move if Philly can pull it off. Opens up a bigger door for GSW and TOR to conduct business.
VanVleet might be better than Harden. He at least has a ring.
This makes those Poole and picks to Raptors trade proposals make even more sense (as a Fred replacement).
I'd be concerned about a rookie GM trading with Masai Ujiri though lol
GSW definitely picking up the soap in that shower.
Lol true… he’s going to extract our next three first round draft picks and first round pick swaps every other year.
Makes sense to me. VanVleet's a hard worker, plays a ton of minutes, and has a skillset that seems like it would complement Embiid's pretty well. Plus, he doesn't have a history of burning out when the postseason is just getting interesting...
Plus Nick Nurse is in Philly now.
Ooh, good detail I missed. Yeah, Nurse obviously knows how to put VanVleet's skills to good use.