Hard to make a gourmet meal out of shit ingredients. But in a way, it also means that you can miss and no one will really care. A Smiley here, a Damion Jones there is fine for the smart fans. But these past two drafts? We're in territory that misses cost jobs. The stakes are getting much higher for Bob. Another season missing the playoffs and he's actually on the hot seat and should be.
I don't mean to sound alarmist, but Bob's true legacy is probably defined by Kuminga, Moody, and Wiseman. This series will need to be revisited in five years when that's a clearer picture.
One thing that stands out about that period for SAS, Oberto was technically signed as a FA coming from overseas. So while not a draft pick, he did play his rookie year for SAS and pretty sure he played some big minutes for them in the playoffs.
The Spurs are a really interesting case because if there's one thing that stood out in all their success, it was that they never won back-to-back and they only made it back to the Finals twice (in 10 years) after that first dynasty period. From 2007-16, they made it to the WCF or better four times but they were always in the mix being essentially ~58 wins per season -- and subsequently drafting pretty low. But, for the purposes of this exercise that period doesn't count, but to me, a lot of their more interesting personnel moves occurred during that time.
Tiago Splitter (28th pick) was drafted right after their 2007 championship... he was stashed for several years and eventually played 1245 total playoff minutes. DeJuan Blair (37th pick, 2009) had 293 total minutes. George Hill (26th, 2008) gave them 609 minutes over three seasons, and he eventually became Davis Bertans and some guy named Kawhi who played 273 and 2908 minutes, respectively.
Unrelated, but the Spurs drafted both Barbosa (28th, 2003) and Dragic (45th, 2008) but immediately traded both on draft night to the Suns.
Ok, 2 daughters back in Elementary school, my wife and new puppy all living out of a one room Hotel because we are selling our house, 2 restaurants to run, I couldn't find my 2 feet if you paid me, BUT THIS SHIT is way more important! LMAO
Draft Picks. Using standard models of assigning values to draft picks used by Tankathon and the like, from 2013-2019 (a 7 year period), the Warriors had 6 draft picks (28, 28, 30, 30, 41, 58) plus 2 2nd Round Picks that were purchased (J Bell & P McCaw, both 38) If you average out the value of these picks over 7 years, it's the equivalent of the Warriors taking the 37th Pick in the draft (not a 1st & 2nd round mind you, only 1 pick) every year for 7 straight years.
Once again, for a 7 year period, on average, the Warriors received the 37th Pick in the NBA Draft.
What this means is, when someone criticizes Bob Meyers, and his picks, and the Warrior's depth, it is your duty to laugh like Rocket Racoon of Guardians of the Galaxy. For a 7 year period, Bob Meyers was dumpster diving a 7/11 in Fresno for talent. What did he produce? Playoff minutes (short but nonetheless) from McCaw & Bell. A future NBA assistant coach (and James Harden Nightmare) in Kevon Looney and future 6th Man of the Year Jordan Poole. Let's not forget All-NBA Rookie First Team Eric Paschall!
Look, you have a bomb in your house. You got a thumb tack, a ball of yarn and "Notes from the Underground" by Dostoevsky. Bob Meyers, our basketball version of McGuyver, will take those 3 things and diffuse the bomb. What About Bob? Like Jesus, Bob is just alright with me.
Contrast the Warriors draft value vs. the Process, PHI. In the same period, they had 35 picks, nearly 5 times as many as the Warriors. And here they are: 1, 1, 3, 3, 10, 10, 11, 24, 24, 26, 26, 32, 33, 34, 35, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 39, 39, 42, 42, 46, 47, 47, 50, 52, 54, 54, 56, 58, 60, 60.
Last year, did the PHI 76'ers have more depth than the Warriors? Holy Hell, No FN Shit. Their draft value over 7 years was 9 times higher than the Warriors. Think about that.
The Warriors had more Draft Value in the 2020 Draft than they had in these 7 years COMBINED! The Warriors had more Draft value in the 2021 Draft than those same 7 years COMBINED!
Imagine playing Monopoly, and you go around the board 7 times and you DO NOT COLLECT $200. You're dead, game over, your a short order fry cook on Baltic Avenue. That was the Warriors. But fate (injury) gave them a number 2 pick. More fate (more injury) gets Moody and Durant/Russel Sign & Trade to Russel to Wiggins + Pick trade gets us Kuminga.
Think about this. We had Durant. Now we have Wiggins, Wiseman, Kuminga, Moody and we got Andre back?
Getting back to the point of the article (btw, tx Eric, awesome material!), you need to view the Warriors roster in context. Yes, all GMs are going to miss on players on the fringes. But a lot of those decisions are much more complicated than we as fans can appreciate. And, based on what the Warriors have shown us as an organization, I wouldn't be surprised if they let a few players fall through the cracks because we couldn't provide them the same kind of opportunity they could find elsewhere.
Ahh shit, family home! Time for dinner.
Anywho, when looking at Warriors Draft picks since 2013 , you have to look at them in context, ie, vs. what every other team in the league was drafting. In my mind, what the FO was able to do between 2013-2019 was as good as it gets. 2020 & 2021 will tell the story of the next decade. From where I am sitting, Bob & Company? .... keep on keepin' on. When you are done diffusing that bomb of a roster, I have a house for sale, and all I have is a set of vise grips, a pack of baseball cards, and a copy of Nietzsche's "Zhus Spake Zarathustra." My family and I are in your hands!
“Functional malleability doesn't equate to effectiveness, but JTA is more than the scope of his matchups. He chases down loose balls, swipes steals as the helper, just generally blows up possessions and unlocks small-ball lineups to boot. Golden State annihilated opponents when he played in units that ran out Draymond Green at the 5.”
From the bleacher report most underrated player on each team article.
I think one of the most interesting facets of NBA team-building is how teams find the guys who become stars, or even just important role players, outside of the top 30 picks. Whether it's a late draft steal like a Draymond or a Jokic (or soon, Poole), an undrafted guy like VanVleet, a reclamation project like JaVale or Livingston, or even a random call-up like Gerald Green (for Houston) and (hopefully) JTA, there are a whole lot of guys out there who make a big difference in the league even after every team passes up the chance, often multiple chances, to get them.
How do teams figure out who's ready to make the leap and who needs more time? How do these guys find it in themselves to play at that level when the preeminent 30 organizations in the sport doubted them? There's clearly more to it than dumb luck, but the formula is unpredictable enough that sometimes it may as well be luck.
In any case, all credit to the players, coaches, and so on who believe despite everything the rest of the league tells them. May the success stories continue forever as a beacon of hope to everyone who got discouraged or disregarded.
Fitting enough that this series came back just as I was earlier re-reading the Tim Duncan career retrospective by Bill Simmons and compared to some of the stinkers pulled by the San Antonio front office (admittedly in free agency, not in the draft), Bob Myers has been quite on top of things: he at least never gave Rasho Nesterovic $45m.
Next time someone says “The Warriors suck at drafting since Jerry West left!!!”, we need to refer them to this series and ask them to write a 7-part series supporting their claim.
Did the Bulls have one 8 year dynasty or two three year ones?
Hard to make a gourmet meal out of shit ingredients. But in a way, it also means that you can miss and no one will really care. A Smiley here, a Damion Jones there is fine for the smart fans. But these past two drafts? We're in territory that misses cost jobs. The stakes are getting much higher for Bob. Another season missing the playoffs and he's actually on the hot seat and should be.
I don't mean to sound alarmist, but Bob's true legacy is probably defined by Kuminga, Moody, and Wiseman. This series will need to be revisited in five years when that's a clearer picture.
One thing that stands out about that period for SAS, Oberto was technically signed as a FA coming from overseas. So while not a draft pick, he did play his rookie year for SAS and pretty sure he played some big minutes for them in the playoffs.
The Spurs are a really interesting case because if there's one thing that stood out in all their success, it was that they never won back-to-back and they only made it back to the Finals twice (in 10 years) after that first dynasty period. From 2007-16, they made it to the WCF or better four times but they were always in the mix being essentially ~58 wins per season -- and subsequently drafting pretty low. But, for the purposes of this exercise that period doesn't count, but to me, a lot of their more interesting personnel moves occurred during that time.
Tiago Splitter (28th pick) was drafted right after their 2007 championship... he was stashed for several years and eventually played 1245 total playoff minutes. DeJuan Blair (37th pick, 2009) had 293 total minutes. George Hill (26th, 2008) gave them 609 minutes over three seasons, and he eventually became Davis Bertans and some guy named Kawhi who played 273 and 2908 minutes, respectively.
Unrelated, but the Spurs drafted both Barbosa (28th, 2003) and Dragic (45th, 2008) but immediately traded both on draft night to the Suns.
Ok, 2 daughters back in Elementary school, my wife and new puppy all living out of a one room Hotel because we are selling our house, 2 restaurants to run, I couldn't find my 2 feet if you paid me, BUT THIS SHIT is way more important! LMAO
Draft Picks. Using standard models of assigning values to draft picks used by Tankathon and the like, from 2013-2019 (a 7 year period), the Warriors had 6 draft picks (28, 28, 30, 30, 41, 58) plus 2 2nd Round Picks that were purchased (J Bell & P McCaw, both 38) If you average out the value of these picks over 7 years, it's the equivalent of the Warriors taking the 37th Pick in the draft (not a 1st & 2nd round mind you, only 1 pick) every year for 7 straight years.
Once again, for a 7 year period, on average, the Warriors received the 37th Pick in the NBA Draft.
What this means is, when someone criticizes Bob Meyers, and his picks, and the Warrior's depth, it is your duty to laugh like Rocket Racoon of Guardians of the Galaxy. For a 7 year period, Bob Meyers was dumpster diving a 7/11 in Fresno for talent. What did he produce? Playoff minutes (short but nonetheless) from McCaw & Bell. A future NBA assistant coach (and James Harden Nightmare) in Kevon Looney and future 6th Man of the Year Jordan Poole. Let's not forget All-NBA Rookie First Team Eric Paschall!
Look, you have a bomb in your house. You got a thumb tack, a ball of yarn and "Notes from the Underground" by Dostoevsky. Bob Meyers, our basketball version of McGuyver, will take those 3 things and diffuse the bomb. What About Bob? Like Jesus, Bob is just alright with me.
Contrast the Warriors draft value vs. the Process, PHI. In the same period, they had 35 picks, nearly 5 times as many as the Warriors. And here they are: 1, 1, 3, 3, 10, 10, 11, 24, 24, 26, 26, 32, 33, 34, 35, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 39, 39, 42, 42, 46, 47, 47, 50, 52, 54, 54, 56, 58, 60, 60.
Last year, did the PHI 76'ers have more depth than the Warriors? Holy Hell, No FN Shit. Their draft value over 7 years was 9 times higher than the Warriors. Think about that.
The Warriors had more Draft Value in the 2020 Draft than they had in these 7 years COMBINED! The Warriors had more Draft value in the 2021 Draft than those same 7 years COMBINED!
Imagine playing Monopoly, and you go around the board 7 times and you DO NOT COLLECT $200. You're dead, game over, your a short order fry cook on Baltic Avenue. That was the Warriors. But fate (injury) gave them a number 2 pick. More fate (more injury) gets Moody and Durant/Russel Sign & Trade to Russel to Wiggins + Pick trade gets us Kuminga.
Think about this. We had Durant. Now we have Wiggins, Wiseman, Kuminga, Moody and we got Andre back?
Getting back to the point of the article (btw, tx Eric, awesome material!), you need to view the Warriors roster in context. Yes, all GMs are going to miss on players on the fringes. But a lot of those decisions are much more complicated than we as fans can appreciate. And, based on what the Warriors have shown us as an organization, I wouldn't be surprised if they let a few players fall through the cracks because we couldn't provide them the same kind of opportunity they could find elsewhere.
Ahh shit, family home! Time for dinner.
Anywho, when looking at Warriors Draft picks since 2013 , you have to look at them in context, ie, vs. what every other team in the league was drafting. In my mind, what the FO was able to do between 2013-2019 was as good as it gets. 2020 & 2021 will tell the story of the next decade. From where I am sitting, Bob & Company? .... keep on keepin' on. When you are done diffusing that bomb of a roster, I have a house for sale, and all I have is a set of vise grips, a pack of baseball cards, and a copy of Nietzsche's "Zhus Spake Zarathustra." My family and I are in your hands!
“Functional malleability doesn't equate to effectiveness, but JTA is more than the scope of his matchups. He chases down loose balls, swipes steals as the helper, just generally blows up possessions and unlocks small-ball lineups to boot. Golden State annihilated opponents when he played in units that ran out Draymond Green at the 5.”
From the bleacher report most underrated player on each team article.
The link on annihilated opponents: https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/team/10/lineups?C=1373&on=4651#tab-four_factors
What do yall think the reasoning behind no Chriss is?
The Warriors ruined the dynasty by not trading down the #7 pick that became Harrison Barnes for Royce White and Arnett Moultrie like I told them to.
Chad Ford and Rafael Barlowe talk about summer league… JFK part starts around 5:30. General verdict: surprisingly positive.
https://youtu.be/X-gwRqBJ4U0
Dubz interested in Millsap!
Part of the MLE and ill bet hes ours! Get him Bob!
https://twitter.com/basketballtalk/status/1429156697247916038?s=20
I think one of the most interesting facets of NBA team-building is how teams find the guys who become stars, or even just important role players, outside of the top 30 picks. Whether it's a late draft steal like a Draymond or a Jokic (or soon, Poole), an undrafted guy like VanVleet, a reclamation project like JaVale or Livingston, or even a random call-up like Gerald Green (for Houston) and (hopefully) JTA, there are a whole lot of guys out there who make a big difference in the league even after every team passes up the chance, often multiple chances, to get them.
How do teams figure out who's ready to make the leap and who needs more time? How do these guys find it in themselves to play at that level when the preeminent 30 organizations in the sport doubted them? There's clearly more to it than dumb luck, but the formula is unpredictable enough that sometimes it may as well be luck.
In any case, all credit to the players, coaches, and so on who believe despite everything the rest of the league tells them. May the success stories continue forever as a beacon of hope to everyone who got discouraged or disregarded.
Fitting enough that this series came back just as I was earlier re-reading the Tim Duncan career retrospective by Bill Simmons and compared to some of the stinkers pulled by the San Antonio front office (admittedly in free agency, not in the draft), Bob Myers has been quite on top of things: he at least never gave Rasho Nesterovic $45m.
Next time someone says “The Warriors suck at drafting since Jerry West left!!!”, we need to refer them to this series and ask them to write a 7-part series supporting their claim.