Only Antawn Jamison (#7) days left until training camp! (or training camp eve?). That's right, only one week to go until we can get some news about actual on the court activity, well, give or take a day. Antawn wore 7 during his rookie year before switching to 33 for the rest of his Warriors tenure.

Antawn was drafted #4 by the Raptors, and then immediately traded to the Warriors for cash and Vince Carter, whom the Dubs had drafted #5. Antawn and Vince were college teammates at UNC and good friends. As I understand it, the Raptors GM knew that the Dubs wanted Antawn, and he would have liked either player, so by picking Antawn and making the trade he was able to get the player he wanted at a lower cost (since the rookie salary slot for a fifth pick is less than for a fourth) along with cash.

Antawn was yet another one of those good players on a bad Warriors team - he was a star player from '98 until 2003 when he was traded again. During that stretch they won 21, 19, 17, 21, and 38 games. That's 78 games in his first 4 years, just a few more than the total number of wins in the 2015-16 season.

Despite his good play, they decided they needed to replace some shooting when Gilbert Arenas and Earl Boykins left in free agency, so they structured a nine player trade with the Mavs to essentially trade Antawn for Nick Van Exel. They also wanted to free up playing time for Mike Dunleavy Jr., who was entering his second year (https://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/Warriors-deal-Jamison-Golden-State-lands-Van-2595475.php). Nick wasn't that thrilled about going to the Dubs, and only lasted a year (https://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/Van-Exel-accepts-his-fate-as-a-Warrior-2584314.php).

Antawn is one of two hall-eligible players to have scored 20,000 points that is not in the Hall of Fame. The other 30 that are eligible are all in, maybe it's time to start a campaign. Sadly, probably playing for those bad 2000's Dubs team hurts his case in the view of some voters.

Here are highlights from his duel with Kobe, where they both scored 51 in a double overtime Dubs victory:


This was the game after he had scored 51 against Seattle in regulation but in a game the Warriors lost, which pretty much sums up his Warriors experience.

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OT..compare this to Chase fans.


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Gold Blooded | NBA Feature Documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig8QvVDvESU

This is the whole previously NBA App exclusive documentary about the 21-22 championship.

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Only Monta Ellis (#8) days left until training camp! (or training camp eve?)

Monta was drafted directly out of high school as the 40th pick in the 2005 draft, back when the NBA allowed that, but was already age 20 when drafted. Interesting contrast to today where many top players reclassify and graduate high school a year early, so they become draft eligible a year out of high school still at age 19 or even 18 like JK. (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/24174879/reclassification-fast-tracks-prospects-college-nba-draft)

He had a decent rookie season, and helped the 2007 "We Believe" Warriors get back to the playoffs in his second year for the first time since 1993. But, that early promise didn't turn into sustained success, as he never made it back to the playoffs with the Dubs, with Jason Richardson getting traded in the off-season to the Bobcats for the rights to draft pick Brandan Wright, and Baron leaving a year later.

Monta's career took a detour when he injured his ankle in a moped accident in the 2008 offseason, which was a violation of the brand new 6 year $66M deal that he had just signed. Making things worse, he initially lied about the circumstances, saying he had injured it in a pick-up game. The team suspended him for 30 games without pay, which was about the number of games he needed for rehab, so they basically avoided paying him while he was recovering. Nellie and GM Chris Mullin were not in favor of suspending him, but Chris Cohan thought he deserved it, especially for not being upfront about what happened. (https://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=3638098)

Here's a short Kawakami blog post about it, interesting to get his take from the time, and Tim still sounded like Tim.


After they drafted Curry, Monta flat out said at media day it wasn't going go work (https://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2009/09/28/monta-ellis-on-pairing-with-stephen-curry-we-cant-not-going-to-win-that-way), including the quote:

"You can’t put two small guys out there and try to play the 1 and the 2 when you’ve got big 2 guards in the league. You just can’t do it. OK, yes, we’re going to move up and down fast, but eventually the game is going to slow down. You can’t do it."

After a few years of rumors, he was finally traded in 2012:




Anyway, the Warriors finally managed to make a trade that did work out for them.

Monta went on to play for 5 more years in Milwaukee, Dallas, and Indy. He never made an all-star game, and had only limited success in the playoffs, losing in the first round five times.

Here are a few highlights from his time in Oakland:


and a longer segment on the We Believe Warriors, co-starring "Roaracle"


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I mean, it's not really news, but, from the ESPN article on Giannis' situation:

Which other teams are keeping a close eye on the Antetokounmpo situation?

A few preliminary teams, who at the very least, will be watching this situation closely, could include the New Orleans Pelicans, Toronto Raptors, Brooklyn Nets, New York Knicks and Golden State Warriors, according to Zach Lowe and Ramona Shelburne during a recent episode of the Lowe Post podcast.


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Only Andre Iguodala (#9) days left until training camp! (or training camp eve?)

Is Andre retired? The stealth 15th roster spot? Stay tuned to his podcast, Point Forward (https://www.youtube.com/c/PointForwardPodcast) to find out.

While Bogut may have been the first piece of the dynasty not drafted by the Warriors, Andre marked an important turning point as the first big free agent that wanted to sign here. Back in the dark days, either the Warriors would get entirely snubbed by any free agent, or would just be used as a way to drive up their price before going to another team. Andre's third place Nuggets lost to the Dubs in six games in the first round of the 2013 playoffs, and he saw enough to decide that they were the future of the league. Well, some claim he decided that during the series, and was working as a mole for Mark Jackson (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/george-karl-continues-to-imply-andre-iguodala-was-mark-jacksons-mole-in-2013-warriors-nuggets-playoff-series). But, the claim doesn't seem to be that Andre was throwing the game, or tipping off their plays or strategy, but rather that he was the source of the rumor that the Nuggets were deliberately trying to hurt Steph, in which case I think Andre comes out looking like the better person. But, we'll probably never know the full story.

Denver had lost Danilo Gallinari in April (current buyout crush from some fans), but the Dubs lost David Lee in game 1, so that kinda evened out. Still, the Dubs were a huge underdog, but they pulled off another playoff upset behind a young Steph's shooting.

“I just wanted to enjoy playing basketball,” Iguodala said. “I just saw the way the guys played. They had fun playing the game. You could really tell they just enjoyed playing basketball.”

He said he had gotten “worn down from the nonsense that comes with the game” until going against the Warriors in that playoff series.

“I fell in love with the game again,” Iguodala said.

Since his signing, the Dubs have not had too much trouble signing players (except, JaVale McGee?) including maybe the biggest FA signing ever when they added KD.

Andre was key to their 5 finals trips the first go-round, and is one of the core members with 4 rings, and though he didn't contribute much on court for the latest championship, he reportedly was still pretty key behind the scenes. Also, recall that Andre was traded to Memphis make room for the sign-and-trade that ended up being Wiggins and JK, so that was another way he indirectly contributed to the fourth ring.

He had one year under Mark Jackson, getting to the playoffs where they lost in the first round to the Lob City Clippers with our favorite player CP3, before the FO made the bold move of replacing Jackson with the unproven rookie coach Steve Kerr. Steve's first move was to ask Andre to come off the bench. "Since entering the NBA, Iguodala had played in 806 games as a starter without entering a game as a reserve, a league high over that span "(http://web.archive.org/web/20150619021100/https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/iguodalas-willingness-off-bench-helps-key-warriors-31582532)

"Depth is great as long as guys are willing to sacrifice, and it's not easy to sacrifice in the NBA because careers are at stake, money is at stake, egos," Kerr said. "That's, I think, what separates a lot of the really good teams and teams like ours who have made deep championship runs. When you're in The Finals, you don't get that far without that kind of sacrifice."

It's something that has not gone unnoticed by the younger players who have the beneficiaries of the sacrifices made by former All-Stars like Iguodala and Lee.

"For them to kind of take that a backseat and let us young guys grow and develop in this league, that means a lot," Barnes said. "We could easily be in a situation where they say, 'Look we're the vets. You guys are young players, you guys will have your time. This is about us.' But they didn't. They were entirely selfless and that's allowed us to grow."

Not that this is relevant for anything going on with this year's team or anything.

Despite coming off the bench for the whole season, Andre re-joined the starting line-up in the finals thanks to Nick U'Ren, and famously went on to win Finals MVP.


"I don't think it was that gutsy because they were kicking our ass," Kerr told Yahoo Sports. "We were running in mud."

This was the start of the "death lineup", followed by nearly a decade of trying to find a catchy name for each new iteration of the small line-up.

Here are some highlights from the 2015 finals:


And more importantly, some defensive highlights, where he made LeBron work for his points


Most likely, he his off to his next life of being a VC and earning back all the money he lost in bitcoin. But, we'll still get to hear his thoughts on his podcast and others.

Finally, here he is with Evan Turner on Old Man and the Three (JJ Redick):


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Joe should compile his breakdowns and turn it into a basketball learning course with a spiffy name

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Sep 23·edited Sep 23

Day 1 free of the Dwight-mare.

Our long* national tragedy is over.

*several days

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Sep 23·edited Sep 23Liked by Eric Apricot

Not sure if this has been posted around here or not, but I am curious what folks like Joe and Apricot think about this defense and its potential in the NBA as a defensive scheme for certain players https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mA5C-43ifbA

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On a side note, I just watched Jerry West's interview on the Paul George Podcast and it was fascinating. Here are some interesting highlights from the interview . . .

On Steph Curry (he was one of two players with the other being Giannis that he'd want to play with)

"When you watch him now, at one time I didn't think he was a good defender. I think he's a terrific defender (now).”

"Steph is just a fantastic player, he's a better all around player than everyone gives him credit for"

He also talked quite a bit about the archetypes of players which are being developed in the league (6'7 - 6'9) who all have the same basic versatile skillset which will allow for very fascinating coaching. He criticized people (presumable coaches/scouts/journalists) who can't keep up with how the NBA is changing.

“Please don’t be old fashioned, its okay to have old fashioned ways about you but its a modern world, grow up and do things in a way that will allow for you to succeed”

Also, here are just some quotes of Jerry West from the interview which showcase his mentality of life which I found personally inspiring:

“Once you’re afraid to fail, you’ll fail”

"I've often thought, what would I like people to think about me (when I pass), he was good guy and he cared"

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Better father-son duo?

_ Steph Curry and his daddy, Del Curry?

_ Chris Paul and his daddy, Steph Curry?

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I love how Draymond and the other vets all “signed off” on Dwight, but he wasn’t signed. Makes you wonder if they were all, “We love Dwight!” publicly but, “ Oh hell no!” privately?

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Sep 22Liked by Eric Apricot

Hard times coming to your town? Stay alert, don't let them get you down - because there's only Tim Hardaway (#10) days left until training camp!

Tim was the third and final piece of the Run TMC trio that thrilled Warriors fans for two short seasons from '89 to '91, until Nellie traded Mitch to the Kings for rookie Billy Owens, because he was "under pressure to get bigger". Hmm, concerns about the Dubs being too small?

While only 6' tall, Tim developed a killer cross-over known as, uh, "the killer cross-over", but also as the UTEP two-step, after his college Univ of Texas El Paso. He stayed with the Dubs until 1996 when he was traded to Miami for Kevin Willis and Bimbo Coles, and he went on to have great success there, but never reached the NBA finals.

Tim reached 5,000 points and 2,500 assists faster than any other NBA player except Oscar Robertson, getting there in 262 games. In both '91-'92 and '92-'93 he averaged 20 points and 10 assists a game. He also won a gold medal at the 2000 Olympics. His #10 was retired by Miami, and he entered the Hall of Fame last year.

Here's a few minutes of Tim breaking ankles:


Here is Basketball Time Machine with some interviews of players on why he was so hard to guard:


Despite only being around for two years, the allure of Run TMC endures. In case you don't know, the name was based on the first initials of Tim, Mitch, and Chris, and was a take-off of the name of a popular rap group Run DMC. You can still buy a Run TMC shirt or hat, and reportedly there is a documentary on them in the works. They played an up-tempo, high scoring style, which gets an entry in Wikipedia as "Nellie Ball", after coach Don Nelson.

The Run TMC team lead the league in offense their first year, and kicked off year two by beating Denver 162-158 in the opening game, which is still the highest scoring game in regulation (no overtime). At the time, the trio was the second highest combined season scoring average trio where each player averaged 20 or more points (which knocks out high scoring "trios" like Elgin Baylor, Jerry West, and Just A. Guy, or Wilt and any 2 teammates). That trio average has since been surpassed three times by Steph, Klay, and KD - those guys were pretty potent too.

Run TMC made the playoffs in their second year as a seven seed, and upset the Spurs in David Robinson's second season.

Here's a Warriors Oral History:


How they changed the NBA:


And a two-part interview series with Ahmad Rashad



It's like that, and that's the way it is.

A few bonus #10 players for today: GM Mike Dunleavy rocked #10 his rookie year, and it was also worn by Manute Bol, Mookie Blaylock, David Lee, Jacob Evans, Dragan Bender, Brad Wanamaker, and Ty Jerome, among others.

Note: According to the Warriors' team site, training camp starts Oct 2nd (https://www.nba.com/warriors/news/warriors-2023-preseason-schedule-20230802). But most other sites like The Athletic and NBCSBA say it starts Oct 3rd. So, who knows?

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Gold Blooded: Episode 1 - Reunited and Reignited (FULL EPISODE) | NBA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2becNPt2Xeg

I believe this is the series that was previously exclusive to the NBA App detailing the Warriors' run to the 2022 championship.

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Sep 22Liked by Eric Apricot

> The decision-makers clearly don’t believe an extra big man is as dire a need as many suggest. They had other traditional centers in the facility this summer. Tony Bradley and Dewayne Dedmon were among them. Howard was certainly the option that the veterans were most vocal about. Green and Paul will always crave another lob threat. Howard, now 37, was once elite in that area. JaVale McGee was considered before he chose a guaranteed contract with the Sacramento Kings. There’s an argument that that is what this roster is most missing. But it appears the front office is instead prioritizing extra wings for camp (and still finalizing exactly who that’ll be) with the 14th roster spot still vacant. — Slater


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Sep 22·edited Sep 22

So many islands, so little time:

Wiggs, Kuminga, Moody, TJD, Lester, Podz, Usman 'Wilt' Garuba, Gui.

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