Another fiery load of b.sh1t from across the ocean? A group called 'baba3' claims that Kerr has been 'fired' from the olympic team staff, because of alleged misconduct against Tatum, during the olympics. Source: a former player of the Celtics (Wanamaker again? Irving as a revenge on behalf of Klay?)
The Tatum fan club is so salty, they are looking for any way to spin it that "punishes" Kerr. I mean, fire the coach who just won a gold medal for playing, uh, LeBron and KD over JT. I think these guys wish JT really was a Tier 1A star, and he just isn't. And, I happen to like Tatum, he seems like a genuinely good dude and is extremely talented.
Yeah! He totally got fired and definitely wasn't just following through on his his plan to step down that he publicly announced back in November, 2023:
Yup just completely false. Kerr has been clear since he took over for Pop that he would only be the head coach for this 1 Olympic team and then he’d be stepping down.
“ He grew up in the town of Sexten in the Dolomites, the family hometown, where his father worked as a chef, and his mother as a waitress at a ski lodge.” - Wiki
BTW: You have no idea, if you haven't been there personally, how beautiful Dolomites are. Le Corbusier used to say 'they are the most wondrous architecture of nature'.
Seconding Naples+Sorrento... I only spent a few days there for a conference, but it was awesome. Even the fact that there were hella stray dogs roaming around near my hotel added to the charm instead of detracting.
Lots of bureaucracy to wade through for an American trying to get into an EU country. Doable but requires perseverance. I tried some years ago with Portugal and gave up. Are you of retirement age?
James Wiseman uploaded a fairly long video of him sharing some thoughts about overthinking and other mental health challenges. I didn’t know this side of him before, but I really enjoyed this, found myself nodding and smiling a lot.
Not in SF but there's great surfing down the Peninsula in Pacifica and Half Moon Bay — and of course down in Santa Cruz. The Waves would have been a great name for the SC G League team if they didn't want to use Warriors.
This hurts. When the Warriors first came to Santa Cruz, there was a challenge to name the mascot, with prize for winning entry. Our family decided on W'ater the Otter, and even drew up a visual of an otter dunking off a trampoline. Otters are plentiful and charismatic. Instead, they went with MavRicks the Turtle.
Just off the top of my head, I’d go with “Nana Slug”. A geriatric banana slug that slowly moves around the arena and hands out cookies and pinches your cheeks. I would be in heaven.
"Free agent F Markieff Morris has agreed on a deal to return to the Dallas Mavericks, sources tell @TheAthletic. The reigning Western Conference champions prioritized re-signing Morris, 34, who has served as a strong leader in Mavs locker room entering his 14th NBA season."
"NBA veteran Dāvis Bertāns is no longer expected to audition this month for Golden State after receiving a multiyear offer to play in Dubai that is said to include “out” conditions that do allow for a down-the-road return to the league."
"Free agent C Tristan Thompson is finalizing a one-year deal to return to the Cleveland Cavaliers, sources tell ESPN. Thompson has played 10 of his 13 seasons with the Cavs. President Koby Altman and Klutch CEO Rich Paul are finishing up an agreement."
True but it's not Bertāns' first culture change (albeit I imagine it's more dramatic than coming from Europe to the USA), and presumably he will be well cared for by his team. It would be a lot tougher for a woman, a person of color, or an LGBTQ person, not that it's easy here.
They do need a lot to go right like with 2022 imo, I agree with that. The #1 thing by far to me is Curry surviving the season physically despite being the only guy on the team who can reliably create his own shot off the dribble while also having multiple non-shooters on the court at all times and (probably, although it doesn't have to be this way) playing with small backcourts that don't allow him to coast on the defensive end.
I think they theoretically have a very good defensive-minded roster and if Curry was in his 20s I would be higher on it but I think they are being pretty moronic with the load they are putting on his shoulders. The Lakers had gotten LeBron an AD at this point of his career, that's a big part of all the "look at what he's doing in Year 20" shit. The Warriors clearly know what they are doing is ill-advised given their previous comments on needing a second option and offseason pursuits of George and Markannen. I commend them for not making a bad situation worse with an Ingram/LaVine trade, but until they find the right trade it is still a bad situation to on a 36 year old to carry the biggest load of any superstar in the league imo.
Also if Curry does get hurt and Podz moves to the starting PG role, I'm curious to see the backup PG plan. It's why I assume Spencer is going to make the roster over Beekman.
"The Lakers had gotten LeBron an AD" The Lakers have always had a big advantage: They are the #1 team in the massive and basketball-crazy L.A. market. They have always been able to finagle superstar bigs away from other teams, whether it was Wilt, Kareem, Shaq, LeBron, or AD.
So given your premise that the Front Office knows they need a second superstar next to Curry so that Curry can rest more and not have to carry as much regular season offensive burden, I have to believe that the front office wants to see if both BP and JK can take enough of a step forward in terms of ballhandling/playmaking/scoring to fill that gap (esp. JK). If they can't, then they'll try to ship at least one of them off in a big mid-season deal to land a 2nd superstar to play next to Curry.
It really does seem like they went from one too many point guards last year (Curry, CP, BP, CJ, LQ on a 2-way) to one too few this year (Curry, BP, and Pat on a 2-way?)
Just seems like a having two corks for three holes type of issue to me. If you play both Draymond and Anderson for ballhandling then you have two guys who aren't really scoring/shooting in your frontcourt, something that is already a concern when Curry is playing.
I think the roster weirdness exists because they have guys on the roster who are only there because they want to keep their options open for a trade later in the season. Because they could have had this type of player if they didn't have both GP2 and Melton on the roster, for instance.
EDIT: This is also why I think Podz shouldn't start when Curry is healthy, line his minutes up to be the backup PG imo.
I'm not sure Spencer at point is the bung for any hole.
At least to me, he doesn't seem to have an NBA level dribble (high dribble).
If he was out there, I'd just have someone pick him up full-court all the time, and make someone else start the offense. Which, with 2nd stringers in there, could be an issue.
This might be the first-ever use of 'bung' on an NBA chat site.
The NBA needs a ‘net scoring’ metric: points allowed by a player on the defensive end would be subtracted from points scored by that player on the offensive end.
So basically, if you drop a 3pt dagger on the offensive side of the court but then you let a player get by you with a quick first step for a 2pt layup, your net points are 1. Or if a player drives the paint and scores, but allows for a dunk in transition because they’re complaining to the refs rather than getting back on the defensive end: net points zero. Etc.
Sure, officials and the league would constantly tinker with the criteria of ‘points allowed’ to calculate ‘net points’, but that’s where the fun and drama live.
*I suspect folks could already do this with stats (advanced or otherwise), but it would be cool to see points-per-game (PPG) recalculated using net scoring.
I like it in theory, but it’d be essentially impossible to dock players for defensive mishaps because it’d be pretty subjective measuring effort and so much assigning of blame requires knowing what a player is supposed to do in a particular situation, like doubling, switching, fighting over or under a pick, etc. This is why it would be fascinating to be a fly on the wall during a team’s film session.
Stats based on +/- are the closest thing to that over time, but aren’t reliable on a per game basis.
"allows for a dunk in transition because they’re complaining to the refs rather than getting back on the defensive end" This ought to cost them additional points for poor judgement.
”Exceeding expectations” entirely depends on what those expectations are. An optimist may EXPECT Hield to hit 275 threes on 40% shooting while playing adequate defense. A pessimist may EXPECT him to hit 100 3s on 35% shooting while playing terrible defense. If the Dubs find themselves as contenders late in the year, I, personally, won’t be as surprised as you.
>>> their only chance is if Hield exceeds expectations.
I disagree. I’ve been saying all Hield needs to do is play the role Klay /should/ have been playing without drama last season; shot maker off the bench. I think Hield exceeding expectations is pretty far down the list of things that have to happen for the team to improve on last season and contend. This would be my Top-5 list:
1. Draymond avoids his Greenanigans and stays on the court
2. (or even 1a) Wiggins returns to something approaching his ‘21-22 production
3. Melton’s back issues are…ahem…behind him, giving them a GP2-ish defensive disruptor with offensive decision-making and shooting.
4. Kuminga, Podz, TJD and Moody build off last season and take reasonable steps forward
5. Looney returns to form. TJD relieves some of that pressure, but Looney has proven to be a key-but-underrated championship cog with his rebounding, screens and defense.
I might flip 1 and 2, just because we have Slo-Mo to run the offense at PF, and TJD to play at center, when Draymond sits (either because of Greenanigans or injury).
On the other hand, unless Kuminga has take a very large step forward, I don't know that we have anyone who can be as good a two-way player as Wiggs at either wing spot. Kuminga's on-ball defense took a bit of a step backward last year (IMHO).
Yeah, I meant to say Wiggins was “or even 1a” instead of 2a and fixed it. The only reason I lean Green at 1 is because of their record with and without him.
I don't know if all of those guys have to exceed expectations, but some of them do. I think if three of the six can show out, Steph stays healthy, and Dray is his best self, this team can surprise.
I find it fun to look forward to that kind of season. Here's hoping they give us something to cheer for!
First we have to make the playoffs. Once we get there miracles can occur. I don't think a lot of people outside of Texas anticipated the Mavs going to the Finals this past year but once they got into the postseason, they took advantage of it. We can do that too.
My guess is that Murray’s contract will look great in one of the next four years, ok in two, and terrible in one. Only there’s no way to know which of the next four years will be the good, bad or middling ones.
Murray has struggled to stay healthy recently. His peak is awesome but he has struggled a lot of late. Will be interesting to see how this contract looks in a couple of years.
(This place is turning out to be bad for my mental health so I'll only be popping in occasionally. You're welcome.)
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Looney: “I’ve been doing a lot of work. Going into this season a little different, expand my game & try to grow. I’m going to shoot the ball a lot more. It’s something that I’ve been practicing for years, but now it’s time for me to shoot 3s, more midranges. Steve wanted me to improve in that area”
Hi Sab — I don’t think the internet is great for any of our mental health, so I totally respect your decision. I wish I stayed off it more and spent that much more time interacting with the physical world and the people I know and love.
Selfishly, tho … I do hope you keep stopping by from time to time, when the mood strikes! I know I’m not the only one who thinks the site isn’t the same without you.
Love the Looney tidbit — thanks for linking! Imagine the same Loon we know and love, but quicker, fitter, and with a corner three?
Without meaning to burden you, I do welcome suggestions on how to be more supportive, open, and welcoming as an individual and as a community. Also, as others have said, I have greatly appreciated your contributions and perspectives -I can think of many that have made me smile or appreciate something I didn't know; I can't think of any that I had the opposite reaction to. Thank you!
OT. I really despise the name Valkyries for the new WNBA team in San Francisco. The word has serious implications of frightful women as servants of men. Women’s whose identity is described in relationship to the male they are attached to. In addition, they are all white, fair women who lead bands around and then are chosen to marry some powerful man.
Here is one description of the word:
“In Norse mythology, a valkyrie (from Old Norse: valkyrja, lit. 'chooser of the slain') is one of a host of female figures who guide souls of the dead to the god Odin's hall Valhalla. There, the deceased warriors become einherjar (Old Norse "single (or once) fighters"[1]). When the einherjar are not preparing for the cataclysmic events of Ragnarök, the valkyries bear them mead. Valkyries also appear as lovers of heroes and other mortals, where they are sometimes described as the daughters of royalty, sometimes accompanied by ravens and sometimes connected to swans or horses.” Wikipedia
What does this name of this have to do with San Francisco, or Oakland, or the east Bay, or even California? Not that I want them to be called the San Francisco Fog. But white warrior women with swords and long blond braids as handmaidens to powerful ‘warriors’ just won’t work for me.
PS as choosers and conveyors of slain warriors, this name does not have great implications for the GSW team this year :-))
I think I would have looked a little wider than the Dubs did.
For instance, Spanish names! It won't be long now until Spanish is the predominant native language in California, so might as well use it. (Besides, I like Spanish, and some of it sounds very elegant).
Beyond that, the Kings colorway and generic, vaguely AI-generated brand also leave me cold. I don’t mind Valkyries (though your critique of its Norse origins is well taken) but the rest feels like a missed opportunity.
Too late for “SF Kamalas” (Sanskrit for lotuses)? When we fight, we win!
My idea was “Golden State Wonders”. It doesn’t have Bay Area connotation, but they’d be the WNBA’s “GSW” and they could riff off the Warriors’ colors, fonts etc.
Maybe they wanted to create their own identity, though 🤷🏼♂️
Given the assumption that they wanted a "female Warrior" name, I think Valkyrie is a fairly low-controversy name that a decent number of people will recognize as a "female Warrior" without really knowing any details about the name.
But, it is a good point that the whole idea of wanting a "female Warriors" team name is setting them up for a permanent second fiddle connotation, and perhaps they should have gone in a different direction.
In the end, hopefully it's just a name. I mean "Warriors" is perhaps the most bland uninspiring name for a team, but here we are.
The opportunity to play “Ride of the Valkyries” during team introductions was probably too much to resist. To paraphrase Col. Kilgore, “It scares the hell out of the opponents…and the fans love it.”
On the other hand, if you’re a business with a REALLY valuable brand, you typically want to leverage that brand when introducing a new product. (Think Bud Light.)
Yes, but you also analyze your target group when you release your ad and your brand. This is just basic marketing. WNBA games are populated by large numbers of women. Hopefully large numbers of women of all races, not just women with long blonde hair. Many WNBA players are role models for young girls, particularly young girls playing sports. I really wonder how many target groups they ran with people of all ages, races, and economic levels, evaluating this name.
From what I’ve seen, it seems a lot of WNBA fans like the Valkyries name and are pretty high (and maybe a little envious too) of their introduction into the next season. And the definition of “Valkyrie” doesn’t have to be weighed down by its historic one. For precedence, there’s the casting of Black actor Idris Elba playing Heimdall in Marvel’s Thor movies, not to mention Valkyrie herself portrayed by Black actress Tessa Thompson. So the Golden State Valkyries can be something that stands apart from the literal mythology stuff, and no doubt will, as part of a league that highly values and prides itself on issues of representation, social justice, etc. to the point that it is a defining feature
I think you might be over-estimating how closely tied I envisioned. They’d definitely want to create their own identity, but using similar colors and fonts would tie to the team’s brand familiarity. (The biggest drawback I can think of would be fans just wearing their Warriors gear to games instead of shelling out for Wonders gear.)
Sure, the WNBA’s primary market is women and girls, but it seems this basketball-loving local market can take it to another level if they market themselves to demos beyond that, especially with the league’s new stars getting so much attention and becoming household names.)
Before retiring, I was a marketing manager at a Fortune 100 company, so I’m not completely talking out of my ass here. On the other hand, the team went a completely different direction, so what do I know? 🤷🏼♂️ (They probably have focus group feedback to support the name, colors etc.)
Well, I was only a lowly social marketer in the healthcare field. So I definitely do not have your experience with more sophisticated and/or rich people. But now that I think of it, I think you’re absolutely right. I don’t think the Warriors moguls have any interest whatsoever in middle income women, their possibly basketball playing children, or their grandchildren. I think the Golden State Warriors and GSW V are most interested in marketing their brand (taking it to another level) to the same wealthy population that they have got to come to Warriors games now.
Happily, Because the V will not have a bright new shiny penny, like CC, to lure people to games, games may actually be affordable for a couple of years. Let’s hear it for the middle class.!!!
"This article argues that the medieval Scandinavian valkyrie and shield-maiden, overlapping categories of warrior, are best understood as a third gender, a hybrid of masculine and feminine attributes. Found in a variety of texts, myths, and legends of heroes, for example, these figures are clad in masculine attire, armor, and weapons, and exercise masculine power as they fight and choose who will die in battle. At the same time, linguistic markers, literary devices, and other of their activities mark them as feminine. The article further argues that the shield-maiden who chooses a male spouse subsequently transitions from the third gender to the feminine gender. As a consequence, she loses many of the powerful abilities of a warrior woman, along with her armor and weapons. Furthermore, her subjectivity is altered so that it is founded and dependent on that of her husband. When he dies, she is left with a diminished social network that, given the construction of subjectivity in this medieval"
Become an attachment, lose your power., The many things that could be said about that, in the context of male female relationships, male male relationships, female females, businesses, basketball team play, and many more.
And of course, having no attachment to the other, or the team, or whatever can also become problematic.
After reports earlier that Davis Bertans was going to workout with Golden State for an opportunity to get a training camp invite, he will now instead head to Dubai on a multi-year offer. (via thesteinline)
Someone here made the point that since Waters contract is guaranteed, cutting him doesn't free up space under the hard cap. I believe this is correct. Waters would still be paid, and (AFAIK) for the hard cap, every last penny counts, so cutting him doesn't change that.
So, it's either replacing Gui (contract is not guaranteed until 1/25), or a two-way, or SCW.
They could but I don't see how that makes sense. The Dubs traded a 2nd rounder (and later bought it back) to get Waters. I don't think they did that to then dump him. This is MDJ not Farhan Zaidi.
Besides, let's take a good look at Waters in camp and preseason before we make judgements about his value. The man can flat-out shoot for one thing. Supposedly he can defend too.
I think this is correct. Although if he really shines and they want him on the big team, I don’t see risking the loss of Gui as that big a price because I doubt other teams realize he’s the adorable Danny Rojas of basketball.
Just a note about this; over the last six years, Hield has averaged 267 made threes at a 39.8% clip. That isn't "above average" that is "elite". Last year was a bit of a down year in terms of volume with him attempting only 568 and making 219 (38.6%). His 22-23 year in Indy is probably his peak; 288 made threes at 42.5% with an eFG of 59.6% and 61.4% TS. That's a great year for anyone not named Steph Curry. Hield is an ELITE three point shooter. He's also excellent for a guard at the rim, at around 15% of his attempts.
[Yes, everything else. But "hitting threes at an above average rate" is selling him short].
I wasn't following him closely last year, but changing teams and a reduced minutes role on both teams probably impacted his performance (certainly volume, of course). Even if he "only" hits 211 threes at 39% for us, that would be great.
Also is there any empirical stats about players moving to the Warriors and increasing their 3pt% due to better looks because of Gravity and motion offence? Or is that just 'Here' say
Indiana had one of the best offenses in the NBA over the last couple of years and Haliburton is no slouch. I wouldn’t expect a big bump. His average would be great.
Other fun fact about Hield: he’s not that small. 6’-4” head-height but a rugged 220 with a 6’-9.25” wingspan (a quarter inch longer than Klay’s). Throw in three years younger than Klay and (presumably) more willing to play a bench role, and we’re talking a a possible mild upgrade on ‘23-24 Klay, much as I still miss peak Klay.
I don’t trust his D, but then I didn’t trust Klay’s, either.
I was actually a bit more excited about the Melton and SloMo signings than the Hield one, but getting all three of them (plus Waters) for less than we were paying Klay last season feels like a solid home run.
Regarding Hield’s defense; I hope he follows the Wiggins model and embraces playing with defensive effort, realizing it’s the way to more minutes on a Kerr team. I fear he follows the Nick Young model.
It may be summer Dubs Koolaid talking, but I think there's a chance he cracks the starting rotation. He looked a little better on D last year, and certainly more engaged on that end than I remember. If he's just below average, rather than atrocious, I think the shooting might outweigh the defensive liabilities.
Ideally, you'd want a defensive wing to pair with Steph, but I could still see it. We really need some shooting beyond Steph in the starting unit.
Evan Turner saying that Kerr should be have been fired for not playing Jayson. Like, dude, let it go. Steve said 4 years ago when he took the job that he was in for one cycle, the same as Pop, but Celtics-land seems to think that he quit because he was going to be fired for, uh, winning a gold medal against the toughest international field ever. Sorry his playing time choices hurt your feelings, and yeah, I'm sure he was playing 4-D chess trying to damage Jayson's fragile psyche as his main approach to playing time, rather than playing the combination that gave them the best chance to win, which, again, they did.
I'm sure Steve is happy to just have one fan base up in arms about his decisions and doesn't have to worry about 2028 player egos.
It's really next level that Jrue Holiday and Derrik White were glue guys who got a lot of playing time in important games. Steve playing 4-D chess indeed trying to make Tatum mad at his teammates. Also clearly Steve blackmailed Grant Hill into bypassing Jaylen Brown.
Still salty how the Warriors routinely crushed Portland in the playoffs. Hey Evan, Terry Stotts is onboard, maybe it's time for you to let this go, hm? (Not holding my breath).
Another fiery load of b.sh1t from across the ocean? A group called 'baba3' claims that Kerr has been 'fired' from the olympic team staff, because of alleged misconduct against Tatum, during the olympics. Source: a former player of the Celtics (Wanamaker again? Irving as a revenge on behalf of Klay?)
The Tatum fan club is so salty, they are looking for any way to spin it that "punishes" Kerr. I mean, fire the coach who just won a gold medal for playing, uh, LeBron and KD over JT. I think these guys wish JT really was a Tier 1A star, and he just isn't. And, I happen to like Tatum, he seems like a genuinely good dude and is extremely talented.
Yeah! He totally got fired and definitely wasn't just following through on his his plan to step down that he publicly announced back in November, 2023:
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/warriors-steve-kerr-plans-to-step-down-as-team-usa-head-coach-following-2024-paris-olympics/
Yup just completely false. Kerr has been clear since he took over for Pop that he would only be the head coach for this 1 Olympic team and then he’d be stepping down.
Steph ain’t feeling Klay’s bromance with Mavs phenom Lively tho:
https://x.com/BleacherReport/status/1832898484032381226?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1832898484032381226%7Ctwgr%5Ef9d4fc039ae4b8d11035652af0cc5ff183d5c7a2%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fnba
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Jannick Sinner is officially Curry's favorite tennis player. Let's invite 'Pel di carota' ('Carrot hair') to Chase Center for an ovation, don't we?
Ever since Donte Divencenzo and Nico Mannion, Steph has a thing for red-headed Italians.
Good! I can get behind his story
“ He grew up in the town of Sexten in the Dolomites, the family hometown, where his father worked as a chef, and his mother as a waitress at a ski lodge.” - Wiki
BTW: You have no idea, if you haven't been there personally, how beautiful Dolomites are. Le Corbusier used to say 'they are the most wondrous architecture of nature'.
Nice! I'll add it to my list. I've seen some pictures, and they looked great, but I'd forgotten about them. Thanks, Stefano.
Lucky man, to have a whole list of traveling wishes. Don't forget to fill in the alpine lakes of Lombardia ('le sette perle') and Naples+Sorrento.
Seconding Naples+Sorrento... I only spent a few days there for a conference, but it was awesome. Even the fact that there were hella stray dogs roaming around near my hotel added to the charm instead of detracting.
Well, adding them to the list doesn't mean I'll get there! But, I might.
I'm planning to move to Spain next summer (if I can get the residence visa). From there, travel to Italy is a lot more feasible.
Lots of bureaucracy to wade through for an American trying to get into an EU country. Doable but requires perseverance. I tried some years ago with Portugal and gave up. Are you of retirement age?
The NBA kinda dropped the ball when naming the ‘Play-Ins’.
The obvious counterpart to the Play-Offs are the Play-Ons (off/on).
Or if we’re staying with the Play-Ins, let’s just rename the Play-Offs to the Play-Outs (in/out, and insert some joke about burgers if you wanna).
How about the tortured fanbase faceoff extravaganza?
The anti-tank ditch? You don't want to be in it, but it's great for stopping tanks.
https://youtu.be/g3jgqgukXJo?si=UppF-WXYhKvSjpjX
James Wiseman uploaded a fairly long video of him sharing some thoughts about overthinking and other mental health challenges. I didn’t know this side of him before, but I really enjoyed this, found myself nodding and smiling a lot.
My basketball mental health thrives in the absence of Wiseman.
Hope people watch the entirety of the video and not just try to connect the dots with his struggles on the court.
Golden State Waves (GSW) is cool in the English too!
But do we have good waves? Asking out of curiosity, I don’t know.
Not in SF but there's great surfing down the Peninsula in Pacifica and Half Moon Bay — and of course down in Santa Cruz. The Waves would have been a great name for the SC G League team if they didn't want to use Warriors.
This hurts. When the Warriors first came to Santa Cruz, there was a challenge to name the mascot, with prize for winning entry. Our family decided on W'ater the Otter, and even drew up a visual of an otter dunking off a trampoline. Otters are plentiful and charismatic. Instead, they went with MavRicks the Turtle.
I ask you.
Just off the top of my head, I’d go with “Nana Slug”. A geriatric banana slug that slowly moves around the arena and hands out cookies and pinches your cheeks. I would be in heaven.
I’d say go ahead and use the rest of your head, not just the top
yeah, that would be ideal, but the San Diego NWSL team is the Wave. That's why I went with Las Olas.
Panathinaikos owner Dimitris Giannakopoulos announces deal with Cedi Osman
https://www.eurohoops.net/en/euroleague/1713500/panathinaikos-owner-dimitris-giannakopoulos-announces-deal-with-cedi-osman/
Man i blasted the Warriors for draftont Loon over Osman. Meanwhile Looney probably projecting to be our starting Center and Osman out of the league
"Free agent F Markieff Morris has agreed on a deal to return to the Dallas Mavericks, sources tell @TheAthletic. The reigning Western Conference champions prioritized re-signing Morris, 34, who has served as a strong leader in Mavs locker room entering his 14th NBA season."
https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1832524383803343038
"NBA veteran Dāvis Bertāns is no longer expected to audition this month for Golden State after receiving a multiyear offer to play in Dubai that is said to include “out” conditions that do allow for a down-the-road return to the league."
https://x.com/TheSteinLine/status/1832438088825495843
"Free agent C Tristan Thompson is finalizing a one-year deal to return to the Cleveland Cavaliers, sources tell ESPN. Thompson has played 10 of his 13 seasons with the Cavs. President Koby Altman and Klutch CEO Rich Paul are finishing up an agreement."
https://x.com/wojespn/status/1832079366257275130
Shoes are dropping. But playing & living in Dubai for a season has got to be a pretty heavy culture shock experience.
True but it's not Bertāns' first culture change (albeit I imagine it's more dramatic than coming from Europe to the USA), and presumably he will be well cared for by his team. It would be a lot tougher for a woman, a person of color, or an LGBTQ person, not that it's easy here.
Dubai is also a fraction of the distance to his home country.
True, it would be easier to go home to visit. I was thinking more in terms of cultural distance.
Unless something major goes down, their only chance is if Hield exceeds expectations.
Anderson and Melton exceed expectations. JK, Wiggins and Moody exceed expectations.
It happened in 22 with Porter, Poole, Wiggins, Payton and Bjelica.
They really need some positive surprises from multiple guys and it can also come from guys I didn’t mention.
Of course the path forward is also much more daunting than 22.
I personally have zero expectations of them actually being a legit contender but believe it is possible.
They should be fun to watch at a minimum and that is something.
or if one or two of them exceed expectations by a lot
Don't forget Plowden imo.
They do need a lot to go right like with 2022 imo, I agree with that. The #1 thing by far to me is Curry surviving the season physically despite being the only guy on the team who can reliably create his own shot off the dribble while also having multiple non-shooters on the court at all times and (probably, although it doesn't have to be this way) playing with small backcourts that don't allow him to coast on the defensive end.
I think they theoretically have a very good defensive-minded roster and if Curry was in his 20s I would be higher on it but I think they are being pretty moronic with the load they are putting on his shoulders. The Lakers had gotten LeBron an AD at this point of his career, that's a big part of all the "look at what he's doing in Year 20" shit. The Warriors clearly know what they are doing is ill-advised given their previous comments on needing a second option and offseason pursuits of George and Markannen. I commend them for not making a bad situation worse with an Ingram/LaVine trade, but until they find the right trade it is still a bad situation to on a 36 year old to carry the biggest load of any superstar in the league imo.
Also if Curry does get hurt and Podz moves to the starting PG role, I'm curious to see the backup PG plan. It's why I assume Spencer is going to make the roster over Beekman.
"The Lakers had gotten LeBron an AD" The Lakers have always had a big advantage: They are the #1 team in the massive and basketball-crazy L.A. market. They have always been able to finagle superstar bigs away from other teams, whether it was Wilt, Kareem, Shaq, LeBron, or AD.
So given your premise that the Front Office knows they need a second superstar next to Curry so that Curry can rest more and not have to carry as much regular season offensive burden, I have to believe that the front office wants to see if both BP and JK can take enough of a step forward in terms of ballhandling/playmaking/scoring to fill that gap (esp. JK). If they can't, then they'll try to ship at least one of them off in a big mid-season deal to land a 2nd superstar to play next to Curry.
It really does seem like they went from one too many point guards last year (Curry, CP, BP, CJ, LQ on a 2-way) to one too few this year (Curry, BP, and Pat on a 2-way?)
Draymond, Podz, Melton, and SloMo are my candidates to pick up point guard/forward slack before needing to dip into the Spencer/Beekman well.
Could they live with SloMo at point forward and just put another wing/secondary ballhandler on the floor? I have to believe that's the plan, TBH.
I seriously hope Spencer doesn't get the nod because of his PG skills.
Just seems like a having two corks for three holes type of issue to me. If you play both Draymond and Anderson for ballhandling then you have two guys who aren't really scoring/shooting in your frontcourt, something that is already a concern when Curry is playing.
I think the roster weirdness exists because they have guys on the roster who are only there because they want to keep their options open for a trade later in the season. Because they could have had this type of player if they didn't have both GP2 and Melton on the roster, for instance.
EDIT: This is also why I think Podz shouldn't start when Curry is healthy, line his minutes up to be the backup PG imo.
I'm not sure Spencer at point is the bung for any hole.
At least to me, he doesn't seem to have an NBA level dribble (high dribble).
If he was out there, I'd just have someone pick him up full-court all the time, and make someone else start the offense. Which, with 2nd stringers in there, could be an issue.
This might be the first-ever use of 'bung' on an NBA chat site.
> I'm not sure Spencer at point is the bung for any hole.
You might be right but he's what they have given the usage of multiple roster spots on duplicative skillsets
The NBA needs a ‘net scoring’ metric: points allowed by a player on the defensive end would be subtracted from points scored by that player on the offensive end.
So basically, if you drop a 3pt dagger on the offensive side of the court but then you let a player get by you with a quick first step for a 2pt layup, your net points are 1. Or if a player drives the paint and scores, but allows for a dunk in transition because they’re complaining to the refs rather than getting back on the defensive end: net points zero. Etc.
Sure, officials and the league would constantly tinker with the criteria of ‘points allowed’ to calculate ‘net points’, but that’s where the fun and drama live.
*I suspect folks could already do this with stats (advanced or otherwise), but it would be cool to see points-per-game (PPG) recalculated using net scoring.
I like it in theory, but it’d be essentially impossible to dock players for defensive mishaps because it’d be pretty subjective measuring effort and so much assigning of blame requires knowing what a player is supposed to do in a particular situation, like doubling, switching, fighting over or under a pick, etc. This is why it would be fascinating to be a fly on the wall during a team’s film session.
Stats based on +/- are the closest thing to that over time, but aren’t reliable on a per game basis.
"allows for a dunk in transition because they’re complaining to the refs rather than getting back on the defensive end" This ought to cost them additional points for poor judgement.
”Exceeding expectations” entirely depends on what those expectations are. An optimist may EXPECT Hield to hit 275 threes on 40% shooting while playing adequate defense. A pessimist may EXPECT him to hit 100 3s on 35% shooting while playing terrible defense. If the Dubs find themselves as contenders late in the year, I, personally, won’t be as surprised as you.
>>> their only chance is if Hield exceeds expectations.
I disagree. I’ve been saying all Hield needs to do is play the role Klay /should/ have been playing without drama last season; shot maker off the bench. I think Hield exceeding expectations is pretty far down the list of things that have to happen for the team to improve on last season and contend. This would be my Top-5 list:
1. Draymond avoids his Greenanigans and stays on the court
2. (or even 1a) Wiggins returns to something approaching his ‘21-22 production
3. Melton’s back issues are…ahem…behind him, giving them a GP2-ish defensive disruptor with offensive decision-making and shooting.
4. Kuminga, Podz, TJD and Moody build off last season and take reasonable steps forward
5. Looney returns to form. TJD relieves some of that pressure, but Looney has proven to be a key-but-underrated championship cog with his rebounding, screens and defense.
If Hield does what Klay should have done last year I would say that is greatly exceeding expectations.
That along with what you listed would be massively exceeding expectations as a team.
Point being they simply are not good enough if all the players play the way they played last year.
I think they they are going to surprise as a group. They also need to be healthy. Duh.😊
I might flip 1 and 2, just because we have Slo-Mo to run the offense at PF, and TJD to play at center, when Draymond sits (either because of Greenanigans or injury).
On the other hand, unless Kuminga has take a very large step forward, I don't know that we have anyone who can be as good a two-way player as Wiggs at either wing spot. Kuminga's on-ball defense took a bit of a step backward last year (IMHO).
Points for Greenanigans 🤓👏🏽
That was Goofus, not me.
Humility and giving others credit will get you nowhere around these parts
He's only one state away from me right now. I'd be afraid of a guy in a Kevon Looney jersey holding an axe showing up at my door.
We have to ask ourselves: What would Steph do? 😊
Yeah, I meant to say Wiggins was “or even 1a” instead of 2a and fixed it. The only reason I lean Green at 1 is because of their record with and without him.
I don't know if all of those guys have to exceed expectations, but some of them do. I think if three of the six can show out, Steph stays healthy, and Dray is his best self, this team can surprise.
I find it fun to look forward to that kind of season. Here's hoping they give us something to cheer for!
First we have to make the playoffs. Once we get there miracles can occur. I don't think a lot of people outside of Texas anticipated the Mavs going to the Finals this past year but once they got into the postseason, they took advantage of it. We can do that too.
Playoff or Bust!
Steph continues his NY tour…ringing the opening bell in Nasdaq.
https://x.com/StephenCurry30/status/1832211344344674753?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
New extension for Jamal Murray ($208 million, 4 years).
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/41164156/nuggets-jamal-murray-agrees-4-year-208-million-max-extension
Admittedly, Murray is a proven player and Kuminga isn't yet, but the extension comps for Kuminga this summer are pretty pucker-inducing
It's a lot of bread for a guy who has never made an All Star team or All NBA (unless you count the All Rookie 2nd team).
Or even if. The contracts getting handed out these days are mind-boggling to me.
My guess is that Murray’s contract will look great in one of the next four years, ok in two, and terrible in one. Only there’s no way to know which of the next four years will be the good, bad or middling ones.
Murray has struggled to stay healthy recently. His peak is awesome but he has struggled a lot of late. Will be interesting to see how this contract looks in a couple of years.
They’re paying ‘Bubble Murray’ prices after the bubble popped.
(This place is turning out to be bad for my mental health so I'll only be popping in occasionally. You're welcome.)
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Looney: “I’ve been doing a lot of work. Going into this season a little different, expand my game & try to grow. I’m going to shoot the ball a lot more. It’s something that I’ve been practicing for years, but now it’s time for me to shoot 3s, more midranges. Steve wanted me to improve in that area”
https://www.reddit.com/r/warriors/comments/1fbgy90/looney_ive_been_doing_a_lot_of_work_going_into/
Hi Sab — I don’t think the internet is great for any of our mental health, so I totally respect your decision. I wish I stayed off it more and spent that much more time interacting with the physical world and the people I know and love.
Selfishly, tho … I do hope you keep stopping by from time to time, when the mood strikes! I know I’m not the only one who thinks the site isn’t the same without you.
Love the Looney tidbit — thanks for linking! Imagine the same Loon we know and love, but quicker, fitter, and with a corner three?
Without meaning to burden you, I do welcome suggestions on how to be more supportive, open, and welcoming as an individual and as a community. Also, as others have said, I have greatly appreciated your contributions and perspectives -I can think of many that have made me smile or appreciate something I didn't know; I can't think of any that I had the opposite reaction to. Thank you!
You will be missed, Sab. All the best to you.
Take care of yourself, Sab, and come back when you are feeling it's something you want.
You're a big part of this place. I'm sorry if something got said here that was personal. I hope that's not the case.
Be well, Sab. Whenever you're ready, we'll be here.
Be well Sab...
#EasyLooneySniper
Good luck Sab. ❤️
I hear that every year from Loon. I'd be shocked if he started launching threes and midrange jumpers.
I wish you the best Sab, and appreciate all you've contributed here.
RE: this place and mental health. Sorry to hear it. Heal up. ❤️
Finally. I have no idea why he waited so long. It certainly never hurts if the opponent has to actually guard you.
Little improvements like this from a host of players is what they need to actually be relevant again.
Sorry to hear it. I hope my curmudgeonly post about the Golden State WNBA team didn’t offend you.
OT. I really despise the name Valkyries for the new WNBA team in San Francisco. The word has serious implications of frightful women as servants of men. Women’s whose identity is described in relationship to the male they are attached to. In addition, they are all white, fair women who lead bands around and then are chosen to marry some powerful man.
Here is one description of the word:
“In Norse mythology, a valkyrie (from Old Norse: valkyrja, lit. 'chooser of the slain') is one of a host of female figures who guide souls of the dead to the god Odin's hall Valhalla. There, the deceased warriors become einherjar (Old Norse "single (or once) fighters"[1]). When the einherjar are not preparing for the cataclysmic events of Ragnarök, the valkyries bear them mead. Valkyries also appear as lovers of heroes and other mortals, where they are sometimes described as the daughters of royalty, sometimes accompanied by ravens and sometimes connected to swans or horses.” Wikipedia
What does this name of this have to do with San Francisco, or Oakland, or the east Bay, or even California? Not that I want them to be called the San Francisco Fog. But white warrior women with swords and long blond braids as handmaidens to powerful ‘warriors’ just won’t work for me.
PS as choosers and conveyors of slain warriors, this name does not have great implications for the GSW team this year :-))
Curmudgeons unite!
At least they didn't go with "Lady Warriors" "Warrior Girls" or "Warriettes"
So true.
Mountain Lions is long and Cougars has a double meaning so I guess they couldn't go there. Very Californian/Western though. 😜
Pumas?
Shoe sponsors might have something to say about that!
I think I would have looked a little wider than the Dubs did.
For instance, Spanish names! It won't be long now until Spanish is the predominant native language in California, so might as well use it. (Besides, I like Spanish, and some of it sounds very elegant).
Las Tigres (Lady Tigers)
Las Olas (the Waves)
La Bahiá (the Bay)
I especially like Las Olas
Beyond that, the Kings colorway and generic, vaguely AI-generated brand also leave me cold. I don’t mind Valkyries (though your critique of its Norse origins is well taken) but the rest feels like a missed opportunity.
Too late for “SF Kamalas” (Sanskrit for lotuses)? When we fight, we win!
My idea was “Golden State Wonders”. It doesn’t have Bay Area connotation, but they’d be the WNBA’s “GSW” and they could riff off the Warriors’ colors, fonts etc.
Maybe they wanted to create their own identity, though 🤷🏼♂️
Hard to create your own identity when you are identified by your relationship to another. You have a identified the problem exactly.
Given the assumption that they wanted a "female Warrior" name, I think Valkyrie is a fairly low-controversy name that a decent number of people will recognize as a "female Warrior" without really knowing any details about the name.
But, it is a good point that the whole idea of wanting a "female Warriors" team name is setting them up for a permanent second fiddle connotation, and perhaps they should have gone in a different direction.
In the end, hopefully it's just a name. I mean "Warriors" is perhaps the most bland uninspiring name for a team, but here we are.
The opportunity to play “Ride of the Valkyries” during team introductions was probably too much to resist. To paraphrase Col. Kilgore, “It scares the hell out of the opponents…and the fans love it.”
This would corroborate Juliet‘s statement:
"What's in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet."
Romeo was still wonderful despite his name. The Valkyries will be wonderful despite the connotations of their name. I think I get your meaning.
On the other hand, if you’re a business with a REALLY valuable brand, you typically want to leverage that brand when introducing a new product. (Think Bud Light.)
Yes, but you also analyze your target group when you release your ad and your brand. This is just basic marketing. WNBA games are populated by large numbers of women. Hopefully large numbers of women of all races, not just women with long blonde hair. Many WNBA players are role models for young girls, particularly young girls playing sports. I really wonder how many target groups they ran with people of all ages, races, and economic levels, evaluating this name.
From what I’ve seen, it seems a lot of WNBA fans like the Valkyries name and are pretty high (and maybe a little envious too) of their introduction into the next season. And the definition of “Valkyrie” doesn’t have to be weighed down by its historic one. For precedence, there’s the casting of Black actor Idris Elba playing Heimdall in Marvel’s Thor movies, not to mention Valkyrie herself portrayed by Black actress Tessa Thompson. So the Golden State Valkyries can be something that stands apart from the literal mythology stuff, and no doubt will, as part of a league that highly values and prides itself on issues of representation, social justice, etc. to the point that it is a defining feature
The transmogrification of meaning.
I think you might be over-estimating how closely tied I envisioned. They’d definitely want to create their own identity, but using similar colors and fonts would tie to the team’s brand familiarity. (The biggest drawback I can think of would be fans just wearing their Warriors gear to games instead of shelling out for Wonders gear.)
Sure, the WNBA’s primary market is women and girls, but it seems this basketball-loving local market can take it to another level if they market themselves to demos beyond that, especially with the league’s new stars getting so much attention and becoming household names.)
Before retiring, I was a marketing manager at a Fortune 100 company, so I’m not completely talking out of my ass here. On the other hand, the team went a completely different direction, so what do I know? 🤷🏼♂️ (They probably have focus group feedback to support the name, colors etc.)
Well, I was only a lowly social marketer in the healthcare field. So I definitely do not have your experience with more sophisticated and/or rich people. But now that I think of it, I think you’re absolutely right. I don’t think the Warriors moguls have any interest whatsoever in middle income women, their possibly basketball playing children, or their grandchildren. I think the Golden State Warriors and GSW V are most interested in marketing their brand (taking it to another level) to the same wealthy population that they have got to come to Warriors games now.
Happily, Because the V will not have a bright new shiny penny, like CC, to lure people to games, games may actually be affordable for a couple of years. Let’s hear it for the middle class.!!!
Curmudgeons unite.
They would have gotten some fun headlines out of that one as well:
- Wonderful!
- Wonderous!
- Wondering what went wrong...
Your headlines are wonderful.
"This article argues that the medieval Scandinavian valkyrie and shield-maiden, overlapping categories of warrior, are best understood as a third gender, a hybrid of masculine and feminine attributes. Found in a variety of texts, myths, and legends of heroes, for example, these figures are clad in masculine attire, armor, and weapons, and exercise masculine power as they fight and choose who will die in battle. At the same time, linguistic markers, literary devices, and other of their activities mark them as feminine. The article further argues that the shield-maiden who chooses a male spouse subsequently transitions from the third gender to the feminine gender. As a consequence, she loses many of the powerful abilities of a warrior woman, along with her armor and weapons. Furthermore, her subjectivity is altered so that it is founded and dependent on that of her husband. When he dies, she is left with a diminished social network that, given the construction of subjectivity in this medieval"
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/265880316_The_Valkyrie's_Gender_Old_Norse_Shield-Maidens_and_Valkyries_as_a_Third_Gender#:~:text=This%20article%20argues%20that%20the,of%20masculine%20and%20feminine%20attributes.
You had a great name for a female basketball team, but I keep forgetting it.
Become an attachment, lose your power., The many things that could be said about that, in the context of male female relationships, male male relationships, female females, businesses, basketball team play, and many more.
And of course, having no attachment to the other, or the team, or whatever can also become problematic.
Quinten Post sleeps a tiny bit easier tonight
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Can they go into camp with Post unsigned, see how he looks and fits, then do one of four things based on that?
1. He’s really good(!), makes the big roster, displacing Waters or Gui
2. He’s pretty good(!), gets a 2-way, displacing Spencer or one of the other 3-ways
3. He’s not ready yet, gets signed to SCW
4. He sucks(!), and is given a Warriors laurel and hardy handshake, and walks off to Justinanland
Someone here made the point that since Waters contract is guaranteed, cutting him doesn't free up space under the hard cap. I believe this is correct. Waters would still be paid, and (AFAIK) for the hard cap, every last penny counts, so cutting him doesn't change that.
So, it's either replacing Gui (contract is not guaranteed until 1/25), or a two-way, or SCW.
edit:
I guess they could dump Waters by trading into someone else's cap space. But, they'd probably have to send a 2nd rounder along with it.
They could but I don't see how that makes sense. The Dubs traded a 2nd rounder (and later bought it back) to get Waters. I don't think they did that to then dump him. This is MDJ not Farhan Zaidi.
I agree ... I just realized there was a way to get off of Waters' contract to put Post on the main roster.
Besides, let's take a good look at Waters in camp and preseason before we make judgements about his value. The man can flat-out shoot for one thing. Supposedly he can defend too.
I think Post will end up with a 2-way.
I think this is correct. Although if he really shines and they want him on the big team, I don’t see risking the loss of Gui as that big a price because I doubt other teams realize he’s the adorable Danny Rojas of basketball.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iisMlRGigIE&pp=ygUad2MgZmllbGRzIGhlYXJ0eSBoYW5kY2xhc3A%3D
This was my reference https://youtu.be/kuHKWzWtBzM?si=1cXFMR-P1xj8hnuh
Either way, 50-and 90-year-old movie references are clearly why people come to DNHQ. 😊
Naturally...
> He should hit threes at an above average rate
Just a note about this; over the last six years, Hield has averaged 267 made threes at a 39.8% clip. That isn't "above average" that is "elite". Last year was a bit of a down year in terms of volume with him attempting only 568 and making 219 (38.6%). His 22-23 year in Indy is probably his peak; 288 made threes at 42.5% with an eFG of 59.6% and 61.4% TS. That's a great year for anyone not named Steph Curry. Hield is an ELITE three point shooter. He's also excellent for a guard at the rim, at around 15% of his attempts.
[Yes, everything else. But "hitting threes at an above average rate" is selling him short].
I wasn't following him closely last year, but changing teams and a reduced minutes role on both teams probably impacted his performance (certainly volume, of course). Even if he "only" hits 211 threes at 39% for us, that would be great.
To survive the Buddy Hield Experience, I’ll settle for above-average!
Also is there any empirical stats about players moving to the Warriors and increasing their 3pt% due to better looks because of Gravity and motion offence? Or is that just 'Here' say
Indiana had one of the best offenses in the NBA over the last couple of years and Haliburton is no slouch. I wouldn’t expect a big bump. His average would be great.
Other fun fact about Hield: he’s not that small. 6’-4” head-height but a rugged 220 with a 6’-9.25” wingspan (a quarter inch longer than Klay’s). Throw in three years younger than Klay and (presumably) more willing to play a bench role, and we’re talking a a possible mild upgrade on ‘23-24 Klay, much as I still miss peak Klay.
I don’t trust his D, but then I didn’t trust Klay’s, either.
I was actually a bit more excited about the Melton and SloMo signings than the Hield one, but getting all three of them (plus Waters) for less than we were paying Klay last season feels like a solid home run.
Regarding Hield’s defense; I hope he follows the Wiggins model and embraces playing with defensive effort, realizing it’s the way to more minutes on a Kerr team. I fear he follows the Nick Young model.
I just don't know if Hield has the BBIQ regardless of his effort
In my mind the “Wiggins model” I referred to doesn’t set a very high bar, BBIQ-wise.
Imagine if he could play, like, 80% of Jrue Holiday’s defense? He has a similar physical profile to Jrue, only bigger.
also imagining if I made like 80% of Steve Kerr's salary
Nick who?
It may be summer Dubs Koolaid talking, but I think there's a chance he cracks the starting rotation. He looked a little better on D last year, and certainly more engaged on that end than I remember. If he's just below average, rather than atrocious, I think the shooting might outweigh the defensive liabilities.
Ideally, you'd want a defensive wing to pair with Steph, but I could still see it. We really need some shooting beyond Steph in the starting unit.
This was pretty amusing:
https://www.si.com/nba/warriors/news/ex-celtics-player-rips-steve-kerr-for-benching-jayson-tatum-at-olympics-01j72cw49kh3
Evan Turner saying that Kerr should be have been fired for not playing Jayson. Like, dude, let it go. Steve said 4 years ago when he took the job that he was in for one cycle, the same as Pop, but Celtics-land seems to think that he quit because he was going to be fired for, uh, winning a gold medal against the toughest international field ever. Sorry his playing time choices hurt your feelings, and yeah, I'm sure he was playing 4-D chess trying to damage Jayson's fragile psyche as his main approach to playing time, rather than playing the combination that gave them the best chance to win, which, again, they did.
I'm sure Steve is happy to just have one fan base up in arms about his decisions and doesn't have to worry about 2028 player egos.
What a douche bag Turner is.
Turner’s voice is disturbingly muppet-esque.
It's really next level that Jrue Holiday and Derrik White were glue guys who got a lot of playing time in important games. Steve playing 4-D chess indeed trying to make Tatum mad at his teammates. Also clearly Steve blackmailed Grant Hill into bypassing Jaylen Brown.
LOL.
> Evan Turner
Still salty how the Warriors routinely crushed Portland in the playoffs. Hey Evan, Terry Stotts is onboard, maybe it's time for you to let this go, hm? (Not holding my breath).