Bogut saying that the Dubs turned down a Lonzo trade (for Oubre, another player and a pick)
@GSWReddit
Bogut on Oubre:
"I have it on good authority that they had an offer actually for Lonzo Ball and I think a throw-in, a pick, for Oubre and the Warriors turned it down funnily enough, but I thought that was a pretty good deal to shed some salary and get a pick back."
I keep thinking back to the Warriors saying, "We're looking to get younger," a couple years ago and realizing that that was the beginning of the end.
Not that the team could have stayed with the exact same guys continuing to get older, but the only way the team could have sustained its excellence is if guys who were rookies during the previous championship runs were coming into their own now. The only one who's actually worked out that way is Looney, and he's more of a rotation player / 6th man level guy. Meanwhile, Ian Clark is barely relevant on whatever team he's on now (NOP?), 3-time champ Pat McCaw is a punchline, McAdoo is out of the league, Evans is looking kind of alright for Santa Cruz, Boucher is finally having a season... for the Raptors. Damian Jones is filling space on a Lakers team that's just trying to get healthy. Did I miss any?
Injuries are unpredictable and unfair, though it's normal that people get injured more when they're older. It's only partly a coincidence that Klay tore an ACL and an achilles at a similar age to KD, etc.
I still wonder what this team would be like if they hadn't tried to get so fancy with the KD/DAR sign and trade. Say they let KD walk, Livingston still retires, Iguodala stays. Yeah, they have one less max contract player, but they're also not nearly as deep into the luxury tax and are more willing to dip into it to pay for guys who can actually contribute to strength in numbers. Maybe they could have offered Javale McGee some of that MLE money and a consistent starting role instead of whiffing on WCS.
Anyway, I'm wasting my time with these what-ifs, but the Warriors have wasted enough of my time with ugly, shitty basketball lately that I feel compelled to post it.
This gotta stop. Draymond needs to take these wide open 3s. He's shooting 36% on 2.3 attempts since the all star break, and it looks like he's getting good arc on his shots. Take more 3s!!! Unless when he takes more his percentage takes a dive but until then might as well launch it.
This team is cursed by a bunch of anti-Draymonds, players who show up in the box score but aren't really that good -- Wiggins, Oubre, Wiseman, Paschall, Poole... I really hope next year we can find some guys who play above their numbers, or at least play the ones we have together more often.
3D, let's clear up the tanking issue. There is none. The Warriors didn't need to tank because they are not very good to begin with. Dray close to a triple double, Curry putting up 37 is not a convincing tank narrative. Curry and Dray are still not 100% healthy. But what lost this game was the bench. We have a very poor one and Atlanta has Gallinari and L. Williams, two prolific scorers who will torch you. Atlanta is clearly the better team. If you want to tank, why not leave Wiseman and Poole in to 'develop' their subpar games? No need to, the Warriors are subpar to begin with. Next season should be a different story, so let's grin and bear it.
Steph Curry and Draymond Green were again +8 and +9 respectively in a 6 point loss despite playing the majority of their minutes with James Wiseman.
Bad shooting, stupid fouling and bad turnovers (with Steph being the chief culprit) lost them this game. We allowed (or rather gifted) one of the best FT shooters in the game 15 FTAs on 8 shots.
Long term, we might be getting 2 lottery picks in the draft though. And hopefully, after this lost year where you had a prime Steph Curry and are barely finishing in the top 10 in the West, they will eat humble pie and understand that there is a reason why championship teams seldom have young players. We are not and were never "light-years ahead", we used to be "Steph, Klay, Dray, KD and Iggy ahead". Now that we don't have most of them, it has quickly become apparent that all the hoopla around the organization was not earned, especially as one of the most crucial pieces behind the dynasty is not even there anymore (Jerry West).
The Bulls learned this post 1998 - it is very rarely the organization that wins, but rather it is the players that win. The San Antonio Spurs threading the needle doesn't happen very frequently at all, and usually happens when you're able to draft world-beaters late in the draft (Parker, Ginobili and Leonard). Hell, even recently, they've been able to draft Keldon Johnson, Derrick White, Dejounte Murray and plenty more that I'm forgetting while the only true draft successes we've had since the HB/Ezeli/Dray draft are Looney at 30 and maybe Poole at 26?
Considering we have high draft picks incoming, we need to fix our drafting process. If that means the owner's son needs to be jettisoned, then so be it.
Bogut saying that the Dubs turned down a Lonzo trade (for Oubre, another player and a pick)
@GSWReddit
Bogut on Oubre:
"I have it on good authority that they had an offer actually for Lonzo Ball and I think a throw-in, a pick, for Oubre and the Warriors turned it down funnily enough, but I thought that was a pretty good deal to shed some salary and get a pick back."
We're a net -2.1 per game right now (22nd in the league). We allow a league-worst 20.5 made FTs per game... the median is 17 per game.
If we were just average at putting teams on the line, we'd be a net +1.4 and probably around 7th in the West (12th overall).
I keep thinking back to the Warriors saying, "We're looking to get younger," a couple years ago and realizing that that was the beginning of the end.
Not that the team could have stayed with the exact same guys continuing to get older, but the only way the team could have sustained its excellence is if guys who were rookies during the previous championship runs were coming into their own now. The only one who's actually worked out that way is Looney, and he's more of a rotation player / 6th man level guy. Meanwhile, Ian Clark is barely relevant on whatever team he's on now (NOP?), 3-time champ Pat McCaw is a punchline, McAdoo is out of the league, Evans is looking kind of alright for Santa Cruz, Boucher is finally having a season... for the Raptors. Damian Jones is filling space on a Lakers team that's just trying to get healthy. Did I miss any?
Injuries are unpredictable and unfair, though it's normal that people get injured more when they're older. It's only partly a coincidence that Klay tore an ACL and an achilles at a similar age to KD, etc.
I still wonder what this team would be like if they hadn't tried to get so fancy with the KD/DAR sign and trade. Say they let KD walk, Livingston still retires, Iguodala stays. Yeah, they have one less max contract player, but they're also not nearly as deep into the luxury tax and are more willing to dip into it to pay for guys who can actually contribute to strength in numbers. Maybe they could have offered Javale McGee some of that MLE money and a consistent starting role instead of whiffing on WCS.
Anyway, I'm wasting my time with these what-ifs, but the Warriors have wasted enough of my time with ugly, shitty basketball lately that I feel compelled to post it.
https://youtu.be/47VpMIMyn4c
This gotta stop. Draymond needs to take these wide open 3s. He's shooting 36% on 2.3 attempts since the all star break, and it looks like he's getting good arc on his shots. Take more 3s!!! Unless when he takes more his percentage takes a dive but until then might as well launch it.
This team is cursed by a bunch of anti-Draymonds, players who show up in the box score but aren't really that good -- Wiggins, Oubre, Wiseman, Paschall, Poole... I really hope next year we can find some guys who play above their numbers, or at least play the ones we have together more often.
They are not tanking but trying to get good draft picks. So don’t argue about tanking or not 😉
Aww, listen to how down Steph sounds in his post game.
They really wanted this one
https://mobile.twitter.com/anthonyVslater/status/1378906348406992898
3D, let's clear up the tanking issue. There is none. The Warriors didn't need to tank because they are not very good to begin with. Dray close to a triple double, Curry putting up 37 is not a convincing tank narrative. Curry and Dray are still not 100% healthy. But what lost this game was the bench. We have a very poor one and Atlanta has Gallinari and L. Williams, two prolific scorers who will torch you. Atlanta is clearly the better team. If you want to tank, why not leave Wiseman and Poole in to 'develop' their subpar games? No need to, the Warriors are subpar to begin with. Next season should be a different story, so let's grin and bear it.
Excuse my language but fudge this team
Steph Curry and Draymond Green were again +8 and +9 respectively in a 6 point loss despite playing the majority of their minutes with James Wiseman.
Bad shooting, stupid fouling and bad turnovers (with Steph being the chief culprit) lost them this game. We allowed (or rather gifted) one of the best FT shooters in the game 15 FTAs on 8 shots.
Long term, we might be getting 2 lottery picks in the draft though. And hopefully, after this lost year where you had a prime Steph Curry and are barely finishing in the top 10 in the West, they will eat humble pie and understand that there is a reason why championship teams seldom have young players. We are not and were never "light-years ahead", we used to be "Steph, Klay, Dray, KD and Iggy ahead". Now that we don't have most of them, it has quickly become apparent that all the hoopla around the organization was not earned, especially as one of the most crucial pieces behind the dynasty is not even there anymore (Jerry West).
The Bulls learned this post 1998 - it is very rarely the organization that wins, but rather it is the players that win. The San Antonio Spurs threading the needle doesn't happen very frequently at all, and usually happens when you're able to draft world-beaters late in the draft (Parker, Ginobili and Leonard). Hell, even recently, they've been able to draft Keldon Johnson, Derrick White, Dejounte Murray and plenty more that I'm forgetting while the only true draft successes we've had since the HB/Ezeli/Dray draft are Looney at 30 and maybe Poole at 26?
Considering we have high draft picks incoming, we need to fix our drafting process. If that means the owner's son needs to be jettisoned, then so be it.
Yikes. Warriors bench was awful tonight.
19 points 8/26 FGs 1/12 threes 2/2 FTs
12 rebounds (2 off.) 8 assists 3 turnovers 2 blocks 2 steals 16 fouls
@KerithBurke
Warriors fouls: 26
Warriors assists: 25.
Kerr: "The lack of discipline killed us." Said they talk about fouls every day. Repeated that emphasis pregame.
Notable stats:
Warriors:
Curry: (+8)
37 points 12/23 FGs 3/12 three pointers 10/12 FTs
5 rebounds (1 off.) 2 assists 8 turnovers 2 steals 1 block
Wiggins: (+3)
16 points 6/12 FGs 3/7 three pointers 1/4 FTs
5 rebounds 2 assists 2 steals
Green: (+9)
11 points 4/6 FGs 1/2 three pointers 2/3 FTs
7 rebounds (2 off.) 11 assists 4 turnovers 4 steals
Oubre: (-4)
20 points 9/16 FGs 2/6 three pointers
11 rebounds (3 off.) 2 assists 1 turnover 2 steals 3 blocks
Hawks:
Capela: (-3)
24 points 10/16 FGs 4/6 FTs
18 rebounds (5 off.) 1 turnover 1 steal 2 blocks
Gallinari: (+12)
25 points 5/8 FGs 2/5 three pointers 13/15 FTs
10 rebounds 1 turnover
Williams: (+19)
15 points 5/15 FGs 2/3 three pointers 3/3 FTs
3 rebounds (1 off.) 2 assists 2 turnovers 1 steal
Huerter: (+7)
10 points 4/11 FGs 2/7 three pointers
1 rebound 4 assists 3 steals
Final stats:
Warriors:
46.7% shooting (43/92 FGs)
10/40 three pointers
15/21 FTs
45 rebounds (9 off.)
25 assists
16 turnovers
12 steals
6 blocks
Hawks:
43.2% shooting (35/81 FGs)
12/32 three pointers
35/45 FTs
49 rebounds (10 off.)
19 assists
15 turnovers
10 steals
3 blocks
Points in paint:
Warriors: 62
Hawks: 34
Fastbreak points:
Warriors: 4
Hawks: 0
Points off turnovers:
Warriors: 15
Hawks: 13
Bench points:
Warriors: 19
Hawks: 55