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For one series only Brooks is now my fav player.

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https://youtu.be/TY7YSiJZ8sw I'm watching this to remember, at least there have been worse cases of instigators prospering? I don't know if that's really so feel-good, but maybe it's working.

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Nuggets up 2-0 in the series. I was hoping to see an upset tonight.

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well, the refs had their imprint on this game as well

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Maybe the two timeline plan could have worked if they had a potential superstar in the second timeline like Edwards. Too bad those ping pong balls didn't bounce slightly differently in 2020.

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Think Kerr would even play him enough?

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Nah. That 2020 draft class had Warriors Bust written all over it. The natural thing would have been a trade down and even then

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When I get too down on such things, the magical nature of last year's win helps to pick me up. Yes, if Warriors had Edwards their future would look brighter. But, maybe still not bright enough to ever win a championship with him. And if the Warriors had Edwards, it's not hard to imagine them instead losing in 2022. Because he still was not that great last year, and he may have taken minutes from Poole/GP2/whoever that were critical to winning at the time.

It may be a bit of a cop-out, but it also seems like enough to make me feel a little better.

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Apr 20, 2023·edited Apr 20, 2023

Or that we didn't follow the rumored conviction of at least some voices in the FO and take Haliburton. Or, I mean, wouldn't we all be happy enough with Devin Vassell right now? EDIT: technically I guess that would mean no GPII, and I <3 GPII, so maybe I take it back.

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Jk is not a potential superstar?

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He may just be too nice.

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I don't see it, I think he's too short for his skillset to ever approach that caliber of player.

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How does kuminga not have kawhis potential?

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Even though JK is the same height as Kawhi, his wing span is 3-4 inches less, and reportedly his hands are much smaller, though I was not able to find a precise measurement.

Hand spans:

Giannis: 12 inches

M Jordan: 11.4 inches

Kawhi: 11.25 inches

JK: not listed even during combine

That doesn't mean Kuminga won't be great, but the comp to the Klaw is probably off.

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He has smaller hands n less reach but is more athletic, there's give and takes in different departments

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the way Kawhi kept steadily adding (elite!) skills over his time in the NBA is pretty tremendously rare

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Jumper and a handle is all kuminga needs and he's shown the jumper has potential

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If he develops Kawhi’s smooth jumper, he can get there… and improves his handle significantly… but that’s gonna be hard.

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Kawhis handle isnt anything crazy just a lot of hard work, kawhi did not have kumingas footwork or athleticism at his age either

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Sure… but it’s hard to get so much better that you become an MVP/DPOY candidate. It’s not something easy to do

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I remember being relieved the Wolves didn’t take Wiseman off the board in front of us… ;-P

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Apr 20, 2023·edited Apr 20, 2023

The fact that a lottery pick Wiseman couldn't even become a functional rotation player was a disaster . That draft itself was not great in hindsight, but it would have helped a lot today had they drafted someone who could be even a competent rotation piece, even if they were mostly a regular season minutes eater.

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Nah that draft class was legit after that Top 10. The Top 10 will probably go down in NBA lore as one of the worst ever but compare picks 11-30 to picks 11-30 in the 2021 draft (which was considered a great draft) and ill take 20 over 21. Warriors really just unlucked out in having the highest pick in ages in a really bad top 10 draft

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Also gotta (partially) blame the pandemic, which prevented them and other teams from doing the normal due diligence with these guys. A few more in person workouts and interviews and who knows, maybe the lightbulb comes on and they pick Haliburton over Wiseman. That would have been niiiiice…

On the bright side, color me relieved that Haliburton didn’t end up in Phoenix. A young core #1-4 of Haliburton-Booker-Bridges-Johnson feels a lot like an NBA champ (maybe let Ayton walk, or trade him for someone better).

Also on the bright side: our 20:20 hindsight bad pick in 2020 was sandwiched between Poole in 2019 and Kuminga/Moody in 2021. And PBJ and a ‘chip in 2022. You win some, you lose some…

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Apr 20, 2023·edited Apr 20, 2023

Yeah, if we hit on Moody (good, but perhaps never great, 3 and D guy), Kuminga (MJ/Vince Carter lite), we won't be doing that badly.

Lotta ifs to get to that point, but it's possible.

I still think Poole is going to be good, too, but then I thought that about Wiseman.

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Referees fucking up the wolves game - they are fucking uniformly bad - BS call in townes

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Joker elbows katz who reacts and gets called for the foul

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Normal…

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One thing that hasn't been talked about is Curry has been pretty shitty defensively, he was getting cooked by huerter last game but part of that was us playing drop coverage.

I wouldn't be surprised if we switched back to switching everything since fox and monk have been killing looney in the drop AND we are getting out rebounded despite not switching smalls onto the bigs

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If they can just stop with the turnovers, all these issues will go to the background

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I have to think this game will be highly determinative of Jordan Poole's future with GS - and possibly be the most important game of his career. Either he's a slashing, attack the basket guard who can function in that role at a playoff level or he's not, and if he's not, GS doesn't have one other than Curry, which is pretty depressing for a team that's also chosen to go seriously small this year.

If Poole is that guy, then in this one limited situation, Green being gone could help the turnovers significantly. A lot of the worst turnovers are driven by GS' "early initiate and get the ball to the hub at all costs" offensive philosophy. Right now, the Kings are so prepped for that that its just too hard. The soft lobs to Green over the top to set the offense, the wing to center passes, the early downcourts to the middle, and even the PNR passes designed to set offense rather than directly score. . . The Kings are in all of those lanes.

Have to believe there will be more Curry w/ Wiggins and Kuminga PNR tonight - not sure how else this is going to work - but I think the game will be won or lost depending on whether Poole can consistently control the ball and get past his first defender, particularly in his 8 or so Curry-less minutes (I expect Steph to play at least 40). If Poole can't do it, it could be a long night and a short series.

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Apr 20, 2023·edited Apr 20, 2023

I don't really believe any one game matters that much for talent evaluation. Particularly not this one.

He's listed as questionable with an ankle sprain. Is a team (particularly one with management as patient as the Dubs) going to base future decisions on a game where the player is probably at 80%? That would be kind of insane.

Poole's got problems, and I'm absolutely sure they want to see some improvement in his weaknesses over the summer, but he's staying put.

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We at least mix that d in more often to keep them guessing, but yeah he hasn't been great wonder if that mild ankle roll affected him or if this is just what age catching up to you looks like. I still think we have a klay and/or steph game waiting for us at some point though

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Brown is going to make sure Mitchell hugs curry - and of course refs will not call any of it

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Opponents have been mugging Curry since at least the 2015 finals. Surely Kerr has some plan for attacking that.

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It's not new, but there isn't a clear "plan" to remedy uncalled fouls. The bigger, more athletic team is supposed to win in NBA playoffs. 2015 it was probably a bit of taking the league by storm, plus facing a hobbled Cavs team. 2016, Cavs mugged, and Cavs won. 2017-19, Warriors managed to get their own un-muggable/physical freak player in KD. 2022 was a beautiful combination of everything going well in the playoffs, Curry (perhaps only temporarily?) turning un-muggable, and roleplayers like Poole playing out of their mind. The unfortunate reality is teams like the Dubs aren't supposed to win, and they have had great success despite that, but at some point it will end.

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And yet they’ve got more championships…

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Not really - Curry decided to take it upon himself to become stronger , but that still does not outset 37-40 minutes of multiple muggings

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They've also made it a point of emphasis to crash the boards on curry, Mike brown is not letting up whatsoever, this is what a proper game plan looks like

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It might be as simple as our guys not standing around for the rebound to fall into their laps - Curry is great at getting rebounds. I wish others would step up a but more too, especially Klay, Poole and Kuminga

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Both games have been tight… let’s not confuse ourselves that they’ve completely had our number or anything…

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No forsure that's why I'm confident in us winning still, but kerr being out coached so far can't be questioned, maybe he's playing the long game or maybe we could have stolen one in Sacramento with a different game plan. We will see

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Kerr is always slow to make adjustments… but he’s never actually fallen into a 0-2 hole before either… and trying to make the adjustments he wants with Dray on the sidelines is gonna be tough

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I'm mostly saying this just to make myself feel better but... there is still a solid chance this series ends up 2-2 (I'd give it at least 30%) and if it does, even though it would FEEL different if we split in sac and then split our home games, the result would be the same. We can win two home games against this team. We can do it. We gonna be ... do it.

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Serious question -- Draymond gets so much flak for being a dirty player, but how many times has he actually injured an opponent (as in, made them miss time)? I'm sure it's happened, but I can't recall any. My impression of Draymond is he puts a ton of effort in, and his main flaw in this regard is he will go all in on the effort without the control. This has manifested in the famous leg kicks, the stomp (I don't think he purposely stomped him, but I think he purposely tried really hard to get his leg free (vs just falling down like your average flopper), which got him to a place where he really has no control what would happen), probably the Clark play from last year.

To me this is preferable to just being downright sinister, purposely trying to injure people (like Sabonis taking people down, grabbing the ankle). But the league has basically decided as long as you are being sinister at a controlled pace, you will never suffer a consequence.

I'm sure some of this is rose-colored glass stuff, but if Draymond is really this terrible force for the last decade that needs to be routinely suspended in the playoffs, where's the evidence of him ending guys season/career? Even making them miss a game??

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He did kick Marqueese Chriss' hand and Chriss missed time. But that's literally the only one I can think of.

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He's gotten very lucky. If that punch against Lebron had connected, that would have injured him. Similarly, Poole was just a little too far away for the punch to do much damage.

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A better question is why is it Dray that winds up in these situations all too frequently?

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I don't know if it's better, it's just a different question. I tried to answer that already -- I think he has a tendency to get out of control, which when combined with his crazy level of effort is going to make these things happen. So yes, it would be preferable if he had better control. But he doesn't seem to do "enforcer" type of things where he tries to hurt/injure players to make a point.

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I don't think any player in the league besides mayyyyybe Brooks and Allen actively want to hurt another player. Some people are much more willing to do stupid shit that can hurt another player, but intend? Not as much.

But yeah Dray gets a lot of external shit that he's certainly nurtured, but isn't commiserate with what he's actually done on the court. This probably has a racial component, at least outside the locker room/ players' circles. Still is a dude who clocked Poole tho, and his rep isn't randomly assigned by the league

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He literally just knocked Poole out a couple months ago

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"knocked...out" would have meant Poole was unconscious - had a concussion. That was never asserted. Stuff like this requires more precise language, Chaos.

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Watch the video in my opinion he was knocked out

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He was certainly knocked "down." I would be extremely surprised if he ever lost consciousness. That would have required reporting to the NBA, concussion protocol, etc. A concussion is much more serious business than being punched in the jaw.

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Nobody is denying he's a hot-headed idiot at times but "dirty" to me implies intent to HARM not intent to show that you're not one to mess with. I can't recall draymond ever trying to injure someone (or injuring someone at all) and I do believe he doesn't have that intent. Some guys much more calmly do much more dangerous things and get way less flack

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Well, the Punch did look like intent to harm. Yeah, you can frame it as not being one to mess with, but the way that he demonstrated that was by launching a superman fist at JP's face.

That said, I agree that it should be clear who between Sabonis and Green was operating with an intent to harm and who was reacting in the moment.

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Apr 20, 2023·edited Apr 20, 2023

Intent doesn't really matter anymore in today's NBA. They even took out intent out of the rule for flagrant fouls.

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Just look up a dirty Draymond compilation on YouTube lol

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I did. I none of is it him doing serious injury dirty play. Its like, poking lebron in the eye, obviously out of control but not trying to injure him. And on and on. Lets not add to the hype that he’s “dirty”, he’s not.

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If he punched his smaller 23 year old teammate full strength due to anger you don't think he's ever done that in a game? Yea idk.

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Yeah, i dont see him doing things that say, hit a player in the head while they are in the air, wanton and dirty. In fact, he has sometimes tried to cushion or prevent someone from falling akwardly. I just dont see any dirty “i’m doing things to put someone out of games, really injure them”. I mean has he ever done something like Brooks on gp2? Thats out of control and dirty and leads to serious injury.

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This!!!! I had this exact argument with a friend and none of us could come up with a single example. His "attitude" is a big part of why the league views him this way and I fully think there are racial undertones as well. Luka could stab someone before the league reacted like this

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Lanier of the Detroit Bad Boys also had a reputation like this. It's not racial so why introduce these concepts? Do you need to believe that?

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"It's not racial" that's apparently your opinion, mine is also valid. People who "act" like draymond tend to get called out more. See the recent women's NCAA final as an exhibit.

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I think you mean Laimbeer. Bob Lanier was an entirely different sort of player.

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More recently, isn't Dellavedova an example of a player the Warriors fans vilified as intentionally dirty, or am I remembering this incorrectly? In my opinion, the league, quite obviously, doesn't hate Dray so much as they hate the Warriors in toto. For whatever reason, these particular games against the Kings have brought it all to full daylight.

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Yes, thanks. Old man's brain......

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Bird was no Saint but he has some genuine beef with Lamebeer

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0bTsLSN0-68

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Wolves up 89-87 thanks to a 40-23 3rd quarter run

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I guess the Warriors aren't the only team willing to die for no reason

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Wait, what are the Nuggets doing in the 3rd quarter??? They are being outscored 20-6!

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Denver is good as advertised

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Bucks-Heat tied 1-1. I think it's safe to say that Nuggets will go up 2-0 against the Wolves.

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Apr 20, 2023·edited Apr 20, 2023

This just in. Minne-so-so is getting waxed by Denver (Denver up 21 with 5:00 left in the 2nd).

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Apr 20, 2023·edited Apr 20, 2023

Ok, now that I’ve had a chance to reflect after my profanity based rant earlier…

If you’re going to suspend a player like that, don’t do it based on priors. Totally subjective, and you risk putting every player’s history under the microscope anytime something like this happens. That’s not a precedent you want to set.

With that said, if Dumars/Silver thought it was necessary to suspend for detrimental conduct, specifically riling the crowd up…I might be able to buy that, if the goal is to avoid malice at the palace.

Anything about not showing remorse though is crap. Dray absolutely is right to criticize the officials for the ham handed officiating, and if Silver doesn’t like his decorum, maybe he should tell the office to call the game evenly and with player safety in mind so tensions don’t run high like that.

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Adam Silver did not mind the Boston crowd last year chanting all kinds of sh** to Draymond. But suddenly that guys is all pissed off with Dray's interaction with the crowd!

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Apr 20, 2023·edited Apr 20, 2023

The distinction is that the Celtics fans weren't egging on the crowd. What punishment can the team drop on the players when they weren't the ones directly instigating it?

I think the NBA just wants to punish Draymond for the fact he's an a-hole and couldn't even come up with an excuse to pretend it's not. However, this is a different can of worms. They should've banned the people yelling the n-word at him though, if they hadn't

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But China didn’t put pressure on the NBA to ban the N-word at games. Heaven forbid you mention anything about HK or human rights though. They’ll find and remove you for sure.

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Apr 20, 2023·edited Apr 20, 2023

Idk, they've kicked out owners for constantly saying it. They're 100% about optics, and how to get more market, you won't find me arguing that. I just assumed they were only like 98% about it but assumed they still cared about the integrity of their product when it mattered

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Grizzlies win without Ja. Bucks crushing Miami without Giannis. Warriors are more than capable of winning without Draymond.

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Completely OT, but Oceanlab is awesome.

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The beer? The trance vocal group? The spa? The lab out on Ocean Ave? Can you drink one while, while listening and getting a massage to take your mind of that mole they just removed from your back? Cryptic

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Apr 20, 2023·edited Apr 20, 2023

Well, in fairness, I've never heard of Oceanlab beer.

Good thoughts!

The vocal trance group. Something about 'Lonely Girl' hits the spot, and they have 3 other great songs on that album (Sirens of the Sea, Satellite, and On a Good Day).

I hadn't listened to them in a long while and put some songs on tonight.

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I was hoping you'd say this. Agree.

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Lonely Girl is in my top 5 songs to play at the end of the world. It's brilliant (Gareth Emery remix is the one I like).

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