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The Jazz with Gay as small ball 5 might actually be dangerous in the playoffs. And Phoenix is just flat out good. I think us with Klay and Wise should take the West, but it’s going to be very far from easy.

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Conley

Mitchell

Two of Ingles/Bogey/O’Neal

Gay

It’s more a good then great lineup. It feels like a win to get Gobert off the floor. Their strength still looks like that they just have a great top 9 vs a killer lineup.

Both Suns and Warriors have a better top 3, top 4, and top 5.

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Speaking of teams atop the West missing two starters, the Suns just beat the Celtics like a worn-out drum without Ayton and Book. The West may not be the juggernaut of yore, but both its top teams are for real. Dubs gotta keep their edge here.

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Yeah, Phoenix is good. But I’ll say that Boston is missing Brown, has generally been mediocre, and at the end of a 5 game road trip. This was not really a surprising result, even without Booker or Ayton.

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Yeah- historically that group truly believed that Harden was better than Curry. 100% believed it like it was obvious and that anyone who believed differently was just falling for dumb media narratives. They ignored the two Finals trips prior to Durant. Then it was only because Durant.

But a few things happened:

1) Durant got hurt and Steph destroyed them in a series they thought was their time

2) Harden gave up on the franchise

3) Steph came back as strong as ever last year, and has the team 21-4 without Klay this year

So basically their delusions have all been emphatically blown apart and all they’ve got left is name calling.

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Of course Steph seems like a frontrunner to the fan base of a team that could never catch up to him.

little brother mentality sure is weird.

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What does that even mean, for a player to be a front runner? Delusional fanbase

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I think they mean that Steph is only really great when the Warriors are beating up on teams as the clear favorite.

Which ya know, ignores last year, and ignores the basic logic that he’s the main reason they beat up on teams.

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Rockets tied with the Bucks midway through the third. What a turnaround!

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Since I hear Philly is scoping trade options for Ben Simmons: DeAaron Fox was gifted 2FT, down 1, with 2 seconds left… and bricked both.

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Tornado warning in STL, hanging out with the fam in the basement.

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Stay safe

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Thanks. Tornado was spotted NW of us but we seem to be in the clear. There’s another set of storm clouds coming in a couple of hours so we might be back in the basement again.

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Good luck; we’re all counting on you 👍🏼

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Fortunately I had the chicken

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And I’ve got a drinking problem

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Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue

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There’s a good article by Powell on the NBA site on Steph’s impact and legacy. This section on the other basketball greats is interesting.

“George Mikan made the NBA widen the lane. Bob Cousy wrote the manual on the pass. Elgin Baylor showed how to play in the air. Chamberlain changed rules. Larry Bird and Magic Johnson saved the league. Tim Hardaway invented the crossover dribble. Allen Iverson caused a cultural shift. Dirk Nowitzki defied European stereotypes. Michael Jordan created the marketing machine. The Dream Team welcomed the world to basketball.

Game-changers all.

Steph Curry moved the game 23 feet from the rim, and beyond.”

There’s no mention of Lebron. LOL!

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feel like the big Bron impact (ushering in the era of "player empowerment") is a hard one for the official NBA site to lean into

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If you can credit Iveraon with “cultural shift”, you can credit Bron with something

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Golden State Warriors coach Steve Kerr to be next men's national team coach for USA Basketball

Link: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32838068/golden-state-warriors-coach-steve-kerr-next-men-national-team-coach-usa-basketball

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He's got the most experience navigating the whole "coaching superstars playing together" thing...

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Dec 10, 2021Liked by punk basketball

Zach Lowe's 10 things has Draymond Green as the #1 (free) selection: https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/32831845/lowe-10-things-unique-genius-draymond-green-introducing-nba-yoink-god

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That’s great.

What’s cool in both those plays, Looney either screens or is thinking about screening. Dray is just in the corner spacing, but takes advantage of the lack of attention by cutting/driving.

Makes you think they could do some similar basic high PNR type stuff with Wiseman/Curry and Dray being ready to cut from the corner and either, score, hit Wiseman in the dunker spot or pitch out to Klay/Steph.

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This is how the Warriors can get away with playing multiple "non-shooters". Some of that is the shooting talent, but I really think a lot of it is the motion offense. If you can set good screens you can require that defenses honor your ability to create open shots on the perimeter. If you can cut effectively, you can punish over helping in a rotating defense.

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Exactly. What I see here is something pretty simple that Wiseman can do. It's hard to be like Looney reading the floor, seeing opportunities to hit pin down screens for different shooters, or find cuts. That takes experience.

The theoretical problem with a Curry/Wiseman PNR with Draymond is it takes away what Dray does best as a facilitator and makes him do what he's worst at as a spacer. But these clips show him beating that by being very smart and aggressive off the ball. This can work.

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Easy to imagine that baseline cut leading to a Wiseman lob dunk. Or Dray hitting Wiggins in the corner, who swings to Klay for an open 3, or Klay swings it one more time to Steph who relocated after the initial action.

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Damn. Those numbers.

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"Curry, who is second in the NBA in scoring and first in both 3-pointers made and attempted, got 94 of the 100 first-place votes cast in the 2021-22 debut of ESPN's MVP straw poll, which was conducted from Dec. 3 through Dec. 6."

Link: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32805949/nba-mvp-straw-poll-where-100-insiders-think-race-headed

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Dec 10, 2021Liked by punk basketball

"Curry's 94 first-place votes creates the highest percentage of first-place votes received in any of the straw polls, surpassing the 91 votes James Harden received in the spring of 2018, the season he would win his lone MVP award while with the Houston Rockets."

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The article has a lot of interesting information - worth reading. Caveat as always; it's early!

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Dec 10, 2021Liked by punk basketball

Yep, 6:30am here!

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Off topic but not: Ants comments about Rudy are waaaaaay out of pocket.

Like bro you're on the Timberwolves, sit down

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Another example showing how players are just really, really bad at evaluating basketball.

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I say just let Rudy and Ant figure out who should be afraid of who. Nothing to see here.

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Doesnt it bother anyone that with moody, jacobs, jfk, the two way pg that the scw seem to be terrible. Get blown out, have poor stats etc

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Not sure what to make of SCW as a team because they lost their front court early on and have been playing super tiny, but are shooting 30% from 3 as a team. I think if Mawugbe and Bell were available, and they had Chiozza down there as a true Point Guard initiator, the team would gel a lot better.

That said, I think it's clear Moody and JK are there with the knowledge they are trying to expand their game, not necessarily help SCW win games.

My big takeaway from Moody though, is despite his limited explosiveness and only 33% from 3 so far, he's scoring 29.4 pts per36 on .609 TS%.

I feel like JK has less to gain from the G-League. He's more or less putting up the same numbers as he did with Ignite. With his size and athleticism, I think it's too easy for JK to lean on those like a crutch against lower competition in the G-League, when he can't do that as much at the NBA level. About the one thing JK can gain from the G-League is to be able to keep shooting 3s for confidence, but that's not necessarily helping SCW win games.

I do like that Kuminga's FT% is above 70% right now....

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Doesn't bother me. Moody and Kuminga are both 19, they are playing against guys that average about 4 years older. The rest of the SCW team is nothing special. They are doing about as well as you would expect.

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It would make me irrationally happy to see Jacob Evans find his way back to the NBA in some capacity with some team...

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I dunno, I think you have a point. A team with two lottery picks shouldn't be getting blown out like that and it's happened a few times.

I watched the game and Moody was chucking on three pointers while Kuminga was pretty much just chucking on everything. They did not seem very invested in the team's success (especially Kuminga who was arguing with refs instead of getting back defensively multiple times, I saw Jacob Evans throw up his hands in exasperation at one of them), made me feel bad for the other players. Moody may have hurt his shoulder early in the game, not sure if that affected him.

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Yeah, I imagine it's rather frustrating for the other players... Kuminga was just attacking everything, sometimes looking for (and making) some decent passes, but mostly just getting into trouble, Moody was standing on the perimeter and just coming to the ball, then jacking up a shot immediately... neither were remotely contributing to any offensive flow.

But the main problem the SCW had was lack of size. They gave up 20 offensive rebounds and it honestly looked like more. They couldn't generate any good looks inside on offense either.

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No doubt, they need Bell and Mawugbe back, Toupane as well. The smaller team is probably more affected by the back to back. And I don't blame Moody or Kuminga for chucking because that is what they've been told to do, it just probably really sucks to be their teammate in the G-League.

If we are looking for positives from that game, Kuminga is still a nightmare in transition and Moody had a couple nice drives in the fourth including one off of an in and out dribble that I wasn't aware he was capable of. The latter play in the video below:

https://youtu.be/2feA4J428E8?t=348

Also both guys had a couple nice passes, Kuminga had a nice quick pass to the corner for an open three after receiving the ball in the paint which I like to see (the guy missed so there's no highlight) and Moody had this smooth no look pass:

https://youtu.be/2feA4J428E8?t=196

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The guys that have intrigued me have been Toupane & Weatherspoon. While Moody might be shooting and playing well in the gleague, his game doesn't seem to transfer over when he's playing on the Dubs and he's also behind a lot of our better bench players and won't see many minutes. Kuminga is a different animal. Raw but confident. Maybe he'll learn the system down there but he's a very intuitive player exploding with athleticism and size. It's very hard to defend a player like him. A natural Point Forward with very good hands and quick reactions. Who's to say he shouldn't be getting more minutes on the Warrior bench? We don't have a player like Kuminga and I can see filling an important role off the bench and not just garbage time. It's interesting to watch the Gleague games.

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No. Winning would be a bonus. All about learning down there.

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I don't know how much you can read into GL honestly... especially stats. You can go through the years and look at the best players (statistically) from each season and the vast majority probably have never gotten regular rotation minutes.

https://stats.gleague.nba.com/leaders/?Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&StatCategory=EFF

It's probably more informative if you watch full games (not just highlights) and see what guys like Moody and JK are asked to do game by game... and see if they're improving and see what they're trying to add to their game. Which is why it sucks for me that the last two games were only available on ESPN+

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I watched both games on Youtube, but not live.

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I found last nights game streaming on YouTube

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They were also available on NBCSN if that makes a difference

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I'm no longer in the Bay Area :(

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Tonight, neither looked any good. Both ballhogging a bit.

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#17 is looking pretty decent

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Tuned in to the SCW game in the 4th. Utter garbage time with a soap opera with loud kids chanting for the Clips to put in "Gary". He finally gets subbed in w 2 min left, Gary misses several possible chances to hoist a shot... he gets the ball with 20 sec left and he fires up a shot because some things are more important than etiquette and MAKES THE THREE. Crowd and Clips go bananas

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Who is Gary?

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Thanx

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I don’t get it. Is he a cult hero simply because he’s Armenian?

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I would assume a decent amount of those people there were his family.

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...are you aware of the Armenian population down in LA (specifically Glendale/Eagle Rock area)?

That's where the majority of Armenians relocated after the genocide. Of course he's going to have a following in LA.

(No, not Armenian. But I have a bunch of friends who are.)

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There were a ton of Armenians at UCLA lol

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I was not aware

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Santa Cruz is playing right now by the way, on the usual Warriors NBC channel.

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https://gleague.nba.com/games/20211209/SCWACC/

Kuminga has started out the game extremely aggressively, he must have been jealous of Moody taking 28 shots last game. Currently only 1 for 7 but at least he already has 4 rebounds because 2 from last game was not enough.

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JK was soooo done after not getting that foul call in transition, lol.

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Lebron with the triple double! And Westbrook with the triple single!

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WB nearly with the 5x5... 9 PTS, 6 REB, 7 AST, 6 TO... but only 4 PF...

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Nothing like stat padding while losing.

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I only saw a moment of the game, but I did catch Russ running down the court snd hoisting a three that missed badly with no other Laker in sight and four Grizzlies available to rebound.

Never change, Russ.

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AB leading the team in +/-

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Jazz routed the 76ers tonight. I assume it's because the Sixers were on a second night of a back-to-back and used up so much of their to beat the Hornets last night that they didn't have much left in the tank tonight.

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Even Denver on the second night of a back to back loses with the Spurs.

The Law of the Back to Back is unbreakable

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That have could been a decisive factor … or not. The Jazz are also a much better team than the Sixers. Historically, the effect of segababas is not as big as people make it to be.

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