In the bit I've been watching, Manon looks like our best player, DeLaunay looks like he might have messed up his knee (fingers crossed it's not too serious), and Shackleford still has one of the ugliest shots I've seen from a guy who seems to fancy himself a shooter.
13 assists, 23 turnovers between the two teams. Ugly stuff all around, though if you love defensive effort — read, boatloads of hacking — you might find it enjoyable.
Lacob’s love for Kuminga over the years has lead to the strangest off season ever. We’re completely held hostage by an overrated 22 year old as we try to squeeze the last juice out of Curry and Jimmy’s prime. A team has never gone this long without adding anyone or re-signing a player in modern NBA history.
Lacob reportedly loves JK but business is business, and at this point he may have left it to the FO to do what's best for the club. Or not. I haven't seen an authoritative interview indicating what Lacob has told MDJ but maybe you have.
Could not agree more and it's dragged on and on. I think maybe the Wiseman mistake may be leaving them a little trigger shy as far as admitting mistakes of athletic freaks of nature who can't paly the game on this level.
The Lakers have a lot of role players/non-stars that are great when they get hot, but also suck for long stretches. I think we'll finish above them (and I think they have a good shot at 6th or better), and I think they're out in 6 in the 1st round, but I wouldn't want to meet them in a winner-take-all game (like the play-in), in case Luka and/or LeBron, and one or more of the role players get hot.
I would have been a bit more scared of the Lakers if they managed to snag Wiggs as I think he’s the perfect fit for that team but it’s good to know they settled for Marcus Smart instead. Relying on that guy to be your go to perimeter defender is hilarious.
Smart has been injured a lot the past couple of seasons, and while he can probably still contribute as a spot role player (sort of GP2-ish without the dunks), he shouldn't be the go-to perimeter defender.
They have no other options on that team as most of their defensive specialists are damn near unplayable because they’re one way players or rookies so Smart will most likely close out games if he can stay healthy
BREAKING: Marcus Smart has agreed to a contract buyout with the Washington Wizards and intends to sign a two-year, $11 million deal with the Los Angeles Lakers after clearing waivers, sources tell ESPN. A return to a grand stage for the 2022 NBA Defensive Player of the Year.
Wasn’t there a lot of discussion about centers becoming the dinosaurs of the NBA over recent years? I get the main point was immobile 7 footers who play inside, but it was more than that.
Exposing all bigs on the perimeter on switches and other stuff.
Joker changed the conversation but look at the West now. Almost every team has 2 legit bigs and a few have 3.
If I was 39 year old Al Horford I would be giving some thought to what I am going up against if I move to the West, especially being an East Coast guy my entire career including college.
Setting aside the fact that the Dominican Republic, Michigan, Gainsville, and Atlanta are not technically the East Coast ... why does it matter whether or not Horford is an "East Coast Guy"? Would his calculus be different if he had played college ball in, say, Arizona rather than Florida? The Bay Area / CA is a pretty awesome place to live — maybe he and his wife and fam like the idea of spending the last chapter of his NBA career there?
As far as hoops, I'd agree with the subtext here that Horford at 39 and 6'-9" 240 should probably be limited to a strategic ~20 or so mpg and that he probably doesn't want to be banging with behemoths all day — but that applies to Eastern behemoths like Embiid, MitchRob, KAT, Jarrett Allen, Mobley, Porzingis, Myles Turner, Giannis, et al. as well as the Western guys. And as a C you have to face all those guys 2-4 times a year whatever conference you're in.
It's possible MDJ thinks Horford-Dray-Post-TJD is enough center-wise, but I think/hope he's got another playable big man somewhere up his sleeve. Goga Bitadze would be the dream (and I think Orlando's cap situation should make them motivated to move him) but if not him my sense is that the Ws could use at least one more big "innings eater" in the post.
The difference is more mobile bigs (Wemby, Chet), as well as long wings (KD arguably was the archetype) who can stretch the floor and defend. Some were guards before they got their growth spurts so they can handle the ball and pass too. Horford probably isn't mobile at 39 but he can shoot and has a high BBIQ.
Agree but the not so mobile bigs seem to be coming back and doing well.
There is a reason all the best teams in the West now have multiple bigs and most of them aren’t good at defending on the perimeter and not many are good 3 point shooters either.
I am a bit concerned about our current roster just being too small across the board, including beyond the 5 spot. I would be a little less concerned if JB and Draymond were 30.
I have faith in MDJ. Get ready for a surprise or two.
IMO, it was always just Steph and Dray. You couldn’t beat those two with a true center as a main part of your rotation, because Steph would get switched onto them and break your defense, and Dray would hold up and prevent the size mismatch from killing us inside. If you don’t have to go up against those two in their prime, you can worry about other things. And, yes, elite players like Jokic can play anytime anywhere… except Steph couldn’t play in the 90s for… reasons, or whatever
Moody Injury: “I did it in March when we were playing against the Bucks,” Moody told NBC Sports Bay Area on Sunday. “The last two, three months of the season, it was like I couldn’t palm the ball. Every time I’d catch the ball, it would hurt. Every time. If I would hand check somebody, it would hurt. I couldn’t touch nobody. I had to shoot with four fingers; I couldn’t grab the ball,” he said. “I didn’t know that it was torn. If I knew that, then that might have been different. And then it was that stretch when we were in that sprint to the playoffs. We were trying to get there. We were winning. Stuff was going good for us, so I wasn’t going to stop.”
Moody’s hand/thumb stayed in a brace for six weeks after surgery, but it’s off now and he has resumed all basketball activities.
Good point. If he told the coaches and medical staff about his pain — and it sounds bad enough that they should have noticed something anyway — then he should have had an MRI or whatever tests were needed.
CP3 has indicated recently that he wants to play one more season close to home (which is L.A.) and then retire. He doesn't have to play a lot of minutes with Harden starting. It's a good move for both sides.
Damn, that 1. Team is actually kinda interesting from a hypothetical make up... How soon until we can just APRIBOT these thought experiments and watch NBAI games for entertainment and post about it on here?!
Joe Smith in category 3? He wasn't a bad NBA player, but a huge disappointment as #1 overall pick. Ended up playing on a record 12 different NBA teams until Ish Smith broke the record
I put Joe Smith in the same general category as Joe Barely Cares and for the same reasons you cite. Still, I think Russell Cross (#6), Diogu (#9), and Jacob Evans (#28, so less was expected) were pretty much worthless so I rate 'em lower. I suppose Diogu wasn't entirely worthless, he played a few years, but still.
The Pacers drafted Cummings and immediately traded him and a 1st round pick (which became Troy Murphy) to us for Jeff Foster. So technically we did not draft him.
I kinda liked Diogo too but he didn't live up to a #9 pick.
Gui and Post still have an awful lot to prove, and if we use the wayback machine, we could take Gus Williams and maybe Phil Smith. But that's pretty far back.
Also I don't think Joe Barely Cares should be in category 3; he was a decent NBA player, just not worth a #1 overall pick or what we gave up to get the pick. We could put Ike Diogu on that 1st round failure list instead, or a "who he?" guy like Russell Cross (overall 6th pick in 1983 and played 45 games in one season and was out of the league) or Jacob Evans (whom we do remember).
Good question! There were 7 rounds back then and he was 6th round, #127. So yes, I think he should count as a top 5 "2nd round" pick above Gui and Post to be fair.
Although the game last night was stunningly bad, I will watch Saturday. I still have hopes for a few players besides Richard’s- crier and maybe bolden needs more time to get back to basketball and then Rowe and Madsen. And I hope the warriors sign Payton and Kuminga. They missed out on Beal because of kuminga maybe
Just because nothing has officially happened im open to some rampant speculation and I’m curious what people think. Let’s assume the general thinking and rumors are true. The Warriors sign Horford, and De Melton. Re-sign Kuminga.
Guards: Steph, Podz, Buddy, De Melton
Forwards: Jimmy, Moses, Kuminga, Gui
Bigs: Dray, Horford, Post, TJD
That’s 12 spots. Probably two more guaranteed contracts and two more 2-ways.
What positions would you target? More established vets that know their role (like a Brogdon at G) or finding that young G-league guy finally ready to break through to a rotation?
You probably need another big wing scorer, just in case you move Kuminga. Maybe you get a wing back in the trade, maybe not. Trade deadline deals are tougher to match up needs (IMHO).
Not sure who that big wing would be. Obviously, it's a min deal, so no one good. I'd probably take a flier on a G-league guy rather than go for a 35+ year old vet.
Also, if GP2 goes unsigned, I would absolutely bring him back for a minimum. At that price, his issues with staying healthy aren't really a concern to me.
I like this team (especially with Seth and GP2) but wouldn’t it be too many guys who expect regular play? A ten man non-garbage rotation still leaves Seth, GP2, TJD and Gui on the bench.
Absolutely re: the rookies. I think Richard will have a similar trajectory to Podz. He’s at minimum mentally ready. Fun to watch. A dawg - fits right in.
Your guess or your wish? I wouldn't be mad at that.
What's a little crazy to me is that Seth is almost 35. I thought he was a very interesting target, but that gives me a bit of pause. Not a major one though for a final roster target.
I wouldn't be mad at signing Seth because he can shoot and is family, and maybe we do it to make Steph happy. But he's an aging little guy who can't defend. So I wouldn't be thrilled either.
Agree, he needs to be off the 5 in regular season, or postseason doesn’t fly. *I’m all for throwing Toohey in the deep end. He’s smart, seems like a quick learner and Aussies are tough mfers.
Warriors outscored the Cavs 25-9 in the 3rd Q.
Dubs shooting 36% from the floor and 27% from 3 but still up 20.
I joined late, but it seems lots of the “Who he?” guys getting run in the finale, which is cool.
Guess the brass has seen enough of the guys we/they actually care about who gets slotted where.
Who he? Toohey. :-P
In the bit I've been watching, Manon looks like our best player, DeLaunay looks like he might have messed up his knee (fingers crossed it's not too serious), and Shackleford still has one of the ugliest shots I've seen from a guy who seems to fancy himself a shooter.
13 assists, 23 turnovers between the two teams. Ugly stuff all around, though if you love defensive effort — read, boatloads of hacking — you might find it enjoyable.
Final numbers - 46 combined turnovers, 31 combined assists, and 17 missed FTs out of 51 (66.7%).
And a combined 19.7% from 3 and 36.1% from the floor. 🤢
Still, I liked the part where the Warriors won the game. 😊
Hey - go easy on the cultural appropriations! :)
Teehee
Bad basketball mostly by players we won't see in the NBA.
Lacob’s love for Kuminga over the years has lead to the strangest off season ever. We’re completely held hostage by an overrated 22 year old as we try to squeeze the last juice out of Curry and Jimmy’s prime. A team has never gone this long without adding anyone or re-signing a player in modern NBA history.
Lacob reportedly loves JK but business is business, and at this point he may have left it to the FO to do what's best for the club. Or not. I haven't seen an authoritative interview indicating what Lacob has told MDJ but maybe you have.
Could not agree more and it's dragged on and on. I think maybe the Wiseman mistake may be leaving them a little trigger shy as far as admitting mistakes of athletic freaks of nature who can't paly the game on this level.
Are you still going to be critical of MJD if the Dubs start the regular season with Horford, Melton, GP2, and JK?
Can’t watch the game so be sure to comment on anything interesting
I didn’t see much but have more to watch. Nothing really impressed me and no one impressed me consistently
(hot?) Take:
The Lakers have a lot of role players/non-stars that are great when they get hot, but also suck for long stretches. I think we'll finish above them (and I think they have a good shot at 6th or better), and I think they're out in 6 in the 1st round, but I wouldn't want to meet them in a winner-take-all game (like the play-in), in case Luka and/or LeBron, and one or more of the role players get hot.
I would have been a bit more scared of the Lakers if they managed to snag Wiggs as I think he’s the perfect fit for that team but it’s good to know they settled for Marcus Smart instead. Relying on that guy to be your go to perimeter defender is hilarious.
Smart would be a huge upgrade over our current backup PG options (if we’re assuming Podz will be our starting 2)
Melton would be a bigger upgrade
Just hoping he isn’t best buds with Horford from their Celtic days.
Smart has been injured a lot the past couple of seasons, and while he can probably still contribute as a spot role player (sort of GP2-ish without the dunks), he shouldn't be the go-to perimeter defender.
They have no other options on that team as most of their defensive specialists are damn near unplayable because they’re one way players or rookies so Smart will most likely close out games if he can stay healthy
Healthy DeAnthony Melton > Marcus Smart
Suck it Lakers
What about “oft injured Melton” tho?
Ironically, Melton's knee injury and the nearly one year off may have helped his chronic back problems
Gross.
Shams Charania
BREAKING: Marcus Smart has agreed to a contract buyout with the Washington Wizards and intends to sign a two-year, $11 million deal with the Los Angeles Lakers after clearing waivers, sources tell ESPN. A return to a grand stage for the 2022 NBA Defensive Player of the Year.
Gonna dye his hair purple now, lol
Wasn’t there a lot of discussion about centers becoming the dinosaurs of the NBA over recent years? I get the main point was immobile 7 footers who play inside, but it was more than that.
Exposing all bigs on the perimeter on switches and other stuff.
Joker changed the conversation but look at the West now. Almost every team has 2 legit bigs and a few have 3.
If I was 39 year old Al Horford I would be giving some thought to what I am going up against if I move to the West, especially being an East Coast guy my entire career including college.
Setting aside the fact that the Dominican Republic, Michigan, Gainsville, and Atlanta are not technically the East Coast ... why does it matter whether or not Horford is an "East Coast Guy"? Would his calculus be different if he had played college ball in, say, Arizona rather than Florida? The Bay Area / CA is a pretty awesome place to live — maybe he and his wife and fam like the idea of spending the last chapter of his NBA career there?
As far as hoops, I'd agree with the subtext here that Horford at 39 and 6'-9" 240 should probably be limited to a strategic ~20 or so mpg and that he probably doesn't want to be banging with behemoths all day — but that applies to Eastern behemoths like Embiid, MitchRob, KAT, Jarrett Allen, Mobley, Porzingis, Myles Turner, Giannis, et al. as well as the Western guys. And as a C you have to face all those guys 2-4 times a year whatever conference you're in.
It's possible MDJ thinks Horford-Dray-Post-TJD is enough center-wise, but I think/hope he's got another playable big man somewhere up his sleeve. Goga Bitadze would be the dream (and I think Orlando's cap situation should make them motivated to move him) but if not him my sense is that the Ws could use at least one more big "innings eater" in the post.
The difference is more mobile bigs (Wemby, Chet), as well as long wings (KD arguably was the archetype) who can stretch the floor and defend. Some were guards before they got their growth spurts so they can handle the ball and pass too. Horford probably isn't mobile at 39 but he can shoot and has a high BBIQ.
Agree but the not so mobile bigs seem to be coming back and doing well.
There is a reason all the best teams in the West now have multiple bigs and most of them aren’t good at defending on the perimeter and not many are good 3 point shooters either.
I am a bit concerned about our current roster just being too small across the board, including beyond the 5 spot. I would be a little less concerned if JB and Draymond were 30.
I have faith in MDJ. Get ready for a surprise or two.
IMO, it was always just Steph and Dray. You couldn’t beat those two with a true center as a main part of your rotation, because Steph would get switched onto them and break your defense, and Dray would hold up and prevent the size mismatch from killing us inside. If you don’t have to go up against those two in their prime, you can worry about other things. And, yes, elite players like Jokic can play anytime anywhere… except Steph couldn’t play in the 90s for… reasons, or whatever
Moody Injury: “I did it in March when we were playing against the Bucks,” Moody told NBC Sports Bay Area on Sunday. “The last two, three months of the season, it was like I couldn’t palm the ball. Every time I’d catch the ball, it would hurt. Every time. If I would hand check somebody, it would hurt. I couldn’t touch nobody. I had to shoot with four fingers; I couldn’t grab the ball,” he said. “I didn’t know that it was torn. If I knew that, then that might have been different. And then it was that stretch when we were in that sprint to the playoffs. We were trying to get there. We were winning. Stuff was going good for us, so I wasn’t going to stop.”
Moody’s hand/thumb stayed in a brace for six weeks after surgery, but it’s off now and he has resumed all basketball activities.
https://sports.yahoo.com/article/moses-moody-reveals-injury-caused-113316852.html
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Gotta give him props playing through all of that. Only raises my expectations for next season
A little disturbing that the team didn't know it was torn.
Good point. If he told the coaches and medical staff about his pain — and it sounds bad enough that they should have noticed something anyway — then he should have had an MRI or whatever tests were needed.
It's all but official that CP3 is signing with the Clippers according to r/clippers and r/lakers.
Maybe a sign-n-retire? If I had to guess, that’s probably where he’d want to do it.
CP3 has indicated recently that he wants to play one more season close to home (which is L.A.) and then retire. He doesn't have to play a lot of minutes with Harden starting. It's a good move for both sides.
Well there goes their chances for a championship as it's been clear for years that CP3 will retire without a ring
LOL.
The Clips are really doubling down on the OGs. Beal, now CP3.
+ Kawhi (34), Harden (36), Batum (37), and BroLo (37).
Not that we can really talk, but as least we’re (seemingly) only adding one old head in Horford.
Do they still have room for Blake Griffin and DeAndre Jordan?
Elton Brand is available. He's only 46.
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Here is Some Clarification About Kuminga's Contract and How it Would Count Towards a S&T (Courtesy of GSWCBA)
https://www.reddit.com/r/warriors/comments/1m3jnvp/here_is_some_clarification_about_kumingas/
More clarification is in the second slide/photo.
For sh!ts and giggles, I would love to see a Dubs:
Top 5, 1st Round Draft picks
Top 5, 2nd Round Draft picks
Bottom 5, 1st Round Draft picks
Bottom 5, 2nd Round Draft picks
1. Steph, Wilt, Barry, Mullin, Klay
2. Dray, Arenas, Monta, Gui, Post
3. Washburn, Wiseman, Joe Barely Cares, Fuller, POB
4. (Too many to narrow down…)
Damn, that 1. Team is actually kinda interesting from a hypothetical make up... How soon until we can just APRIBOT these thought experiments and watch NBAI games for entertainment and post about it on here?!
And if we stretch that #1 team a bit more, we add Mitch Richmond, Tim Hardaway, Nate Thurmond, Tom Meschery, and Paul Arizin. Not a bad "B" team!
Joe Smith in category 3? He wasn't a bad NBA player, but a huge disappointment as #1 overall pick. Ended up playing on a record 12 different NBA teams until Ish Smith broke the record
I put Joe Smith in the same general category as Joe Barely Cares and for the same reasons you cite. Still, I think Russell Cross (#6), Diogu (#9), and Jacob Evans (#28, so less was expected) were pretty much worthless so I rate 'em lower. I suppose Diogu wasn't entirely worthless, he played a few years, but still.
That's fair - no argument from me
I liked Diogo. Don’t sleep on vonteego Cummings!
The Pacers drafted Cummings and immediately traded him and a 1st round pick (which became Troy Murphy) to us for Jeff Foster. So technically we did not draft him.
I kinda liked Diogo too but he didn't live up to a #9 pick.
This is really good Sleepy!
Gui and Post still have an awful lot to prove, and if we use the wayback machine, we could take Gus Williams and maybe Phil Smith. But that's pretty far back.
Also I don't think Joe Barely Cares should be in category 3; he was a decent NBA player, just not worth a #1 overall pick or what we gave up to get the pick. We could put Ike Diogu on that 1st round failure list instead, or a "who he?" guy like Russell Cross (overall 6th pick in 1983 and played 45 games in one season and was out of the league) or Jacob Evans (whom we do remember).
Great list. Does Marčiulionis technically count as a late-round pick/UDFA?
Good question! There were 7 rounds back then and he was 6th round, #127. So yes, I think he should count as a top 5 "2nd round" pick above Gui and Post to be fair.
Although the game last night was stunningly bad, I will watch Saturday. I still have hopes for a few players besides Richard’s- crier and maybe bolden needs more time to get back to basketball and then Rowe and Madsen. And I hope the warriors sign Payton and Kuminga. They missed out on Beal because of kuminga maybe
Just because nothing has officially happened im open to some rampant speculation and I’m curious what people think. Let’s assume the general thinking and rumors are true. The Warriors sign Horford, and De Melton. Re-sign Kuminga.
Guards: Steph, Podz, Buddy, De Melton
Forwards: Jimmy, Moses, Kuminga, Gui
Bigs: Dray, Horford, Post, TJD
That’s 12 spots. Probably two more guaranteed contracts and two more 2-ways.
What positions would you target? More established vets that know their role (like a Brogdon at G) or finding that young G-league guy finally ready to break through to a rotation?
You probably need another big wing scorer, just in case you move Kuminga. Maybe you get a wing back in the trade, maybe not. Trade deadline deals are tougher to match up needs (IMHO).
Not sure who that big wing would be. Obviously, it's a min deal, so no one good. I'd probably take a flier on a G-league guy rather than go for a 35+ year old vet.
Also, if GP2 goes unsigned, I would absolutely bring him back for a minimum. At that price, his issues with staying healthy aren't really a concern to me.
I like this team (especially with Seth and GP2) but wouldn’t it be too many guys who expect regular play? A ten man non-garbage rotation still leaves Seth, GP2, TJD and Gui on the bench.
Seth and GP2 on vet minimums, Richard and Toohey on 2-ways.
Absolutely re: the rookies. I think Richard will have a similar trajectory to Podz. He’s at minimum mentally ready. Fun to watch. A dawg - fits right in.
Your guess or your wish? I wouldn't be mad at that.
What's a little crazy to me is that Seth is almost 35. I thought he was a very interesting target, but that gives me a bit of pause. Not a major one though for a final roster target.
I wouldn't be mad at signing Seth because he can shoot and is family, and maybe we do it to make Steph happy. But he's an aging little guy who can't defend. So I wouldn't be thrilled either.
My wish AND my guess, I guess.
"I didn’t lie! I made a guesstimated wish!
Can we put Draymond as not a big officially?
Agree, he needs to be off the 5 in regular season, or postseason doesn’t fly. *I’m all for throwing Toohey in the deep end. He’s smart, seems like a quick learner and Aussies are tough mfers.
He could go in either I think. He'll play PF/C and I'd tend to categorize that as a big even if he starts at PF and plays more minutes there.
Consider him "little big man" if you like but he plays like a big and defends opposing bigs.