[[ "They play a good brand of basketball,” SETH Curry told Poole regarding Golden State. “I feel like I've been a part of Dub Nation for a while watching Steph and being around the organization. Obviously, they could use ... any team could use shooting. But I can't say anything other than I'm trying to find the best place for me, and hopefully we'll figure it out in the next week and figure out where I'll be going next."
“I always got to do what’s best for myself, obviously," Curry told Poole. "Steph would love me to come over there and play with them, the fans show me a lot of love at all times, the family would love it. I’ve always embraced the Warriors and their system and love the way they play, and you never know what could happen.” ]]
One of the things in my craw about the Mavs, Nico and Cooper thing is that’s close to the last place I’d want him to go as an NBA fan.
They’ve traded out Cuban a very good owner for very dumb owners.
They’ve cast their die on this AD and Kyrie pairing and are more incentivized to see it through vs do what’s best for Cooper who’s by far their most important asset now.
So they’re going to play Cooper - a natural 4 - at SF next to a couple 5’s who can’t space the floor in AD, and one of Gafford and Lively.
They currently have one decent playmaker in DAngelo Russell. They’ll eventually get Kyrie. But neither of those guys are the type of really smart decision makers that could get the most out of a huge, defensively spectacular but awkwardly fitting front line.
By far their best lineup would be something like D’Angelo, Christie/Klay, Cooper, Pj Washington (who’s a combo forward) and AD at C. But I’m wondering how much they’ll push to do that with AD.
So I think he’s gonna struggle a bit forced into a dumb role for a dumb team with dumb reasons for doing what theyre doing. Vs any other franchise that would just try to build around one of the best prospects of the century.
Cuban sold the majority stake of the team ALL BY HIMSELF. He knew *exactly* who he was dealing with. The Adelsons are sharks. But, for whatever reason, he was cavalier about the transfer, didn’t follow Business 101: get the frikkin agreement to keep him in charge of bball operations IN WRITING. Cuban has earned zero sympathy.
Thats a really nice problem to have. I mean I think we ourselves are a team with a ton of power forwards: Draymond, Himmy, Moody, JK (if he re-signs), Toohey, and Gui. Six PFs in a 14 man roster and thats why Himmy gets slotted to the 3.
Hopefully we see more contracts for JKs peers done soon so he can stop being delusional about his value. Let’s find a sweet spot between 20-25m and let’s wrap this up already.
I suspect certain missed opportunities are shaping the JK camp’s view of reality.
(1) Jalen Green’s 105m / 3y contract will be a North Star for JK as it’s the path not taken. Green was his teammate on the Ignite and got all he could eat on a bad HOU team, now has a reputation for being a talented non-winner and he got punted by HOU after not being able to be played vs GSW. BUT… he has $105m.
(2) The GSW extension offer, reported to be $30m+, which JK turned down as way insufficient. If his agent told him to reject that, that agent is sweating bullets trying to get anything remotely close to that now.
I think Bronny will definitely develop into a nice role player in this league. I don’t think he has stardom in his future but he will definitely belong. He seems like a hard working kid and if you combine that with LeGenetics that should easily be an NBA player
"The JK situation drones on. It has, in course of time, become so complicated that no fan alive knows what it means. The parties to it understand it least, but it has been observed that no two GMs can talk about it for five minutes without coming to a total disagreement as to all the premises."
"[Charania] New Orleans Pelicans forward Herb Jones has agreed to a three-year, $68 million contract extension with the franchise, Mark Bartelstein and Kieran Piller of @PrioritySports told ESPN. Jones now has a total five years and $97M on his Pelicans deal – with player option in 2029-30."
Public service announcement. For those of you trying to game theory the world’s most boring three-team gun standoff, know that if JK accepts the one-year qualifying offer, then he can veto any trade.
1. Nothing I said is about prefer or not. I’m giving information about step #23 of a madness-inducing game planning of JK’s possibilities. :)
2. JK *might* think he can get a bigger contract if he takes the QO and hits the open market. You might say a player would never do that. Multiple players have in fact taken the QO in the past, betting on themselves.
You have to think at a certain point players just want "number be big".
Between 60 and let's say 75 million over 3 years, there is absolutely no meaningful difference how an NBA player would live their life unless they are destined to spend it all, in which case the number doesn't matter.
At a certain point it's just wealth accumulation for the sake of it and a sickness to me.
75M is 25% higher than 60M. The people paying him get more then that. I don't begrudge him or any other player one bit looking to maximize their earnings just because that's more money than I am likely to ever make.
Kuminga specifically is from the Congo, one of the poorest countries in the world. Comparatively there are people there who probably can't fathom how much you or I make and may think it's a sickness that I'm going after an extra 25% in my world.
Also because he's from the Congo the extra money that goes into his pocket vs Lacob or Vivek Ranadive's pocket may end up going back to some people who it will make a very meaningful difference to. He's a very young man and he's already shown a civic-mindedness about helping his people back home.
Again, it wasn't JK specific. NBA players have every right to get the max money they can. It's the system the NBA built and they should play the game.
I'm just saying their is a certain point when a person has so much wealth it materially means nothing to have an extra 5 or 10 million. I'm thinking of players who have already made 100 million in paticular. At that point the only way to spend it all is spend for the sake of spending.
I just can't comprehend being that rich and battling for every dollar every contract.
According to Perks's sheet, GSW is 24.975m under the 1st Apron with 9 on the main roster. If JK took the 7.9m QO, that would leave ~17m under the 1st Ap. The NTLME is 14.1m. So technically yes.
Except, you need 14 players (+/- fussing with ten-days and other manipulations) on the roster. That's 5 more players. At the minimum of 2.3m, that's 11.5m, so you could only spend 17m-11.5m = 5.5m above the minimums before hitting the first apron.
Even if you were extremely deft and say signed Richard and Toohey to minimums which only count 1.27m, you only get another ~2.2m above minimum. So by my quick count, you could spend part of the NTMLE of ~(2.3+5.5+2.2) = ~10m.
It's tricky so I might have made a math error in there...
If Dubs can offer Beal 8 or 9M along with a promise of Draymond screens, about 25 to 30 mins per game plus green light to shoot, maybe they can persuade him to sign with the Dubs instead of the Clippers :)
Not necessarily. His incoming ball club may want some assurances on long term signability and he simply may not feel comfortable with the environment he would be being traded into.
>>>The post-Steph future looks incredibly bleak which makes the Kuminga transaction that is coming — I am expecting a sign-and-trade. I don’t know where, I don’t know when, and maybe there is no sign-and-trade and maybe they re-sign him.
The Kuminga transaction to me is the single most important franchise-building transaction that’s coming in the next 2, 3 or 4 months in the NBA, and I just don’t see a world in which that transaction sets the Warriors up for a happier post-Steph future because I think it’s going to be a sign-and-trade where the return is slightly underwhelming.<<<
Love Zach, but "incredibly bleak" seems hyperbolic. Of course it's painful when a franchise player (and Top 5 all-time player) ages out. But it's hardly "incredible."
Outside of Moody (and maybe a Podz extension), we have $0 committed post-Curry. Will we suck? Maybe. Will we have all of our picks and 3 max slots? As of now, definitely. Hell, (barring injury of course) there's a good chance that we could be a regular playoff team for years after Curry. (IMO)
Steph Curry asked about the idea of Al Horford joining the Warriors: “He’s a champion, great player. When…if, when all that stuff happens, I’ll talk about it.” @anthonyVslater
Breaking: Oklahoma City Thunder All-NBA star and champion Jalen Williams has agreed to a five-year maximum rookie contract extension that could reach $287 million, agents Bill Duffy and Justin Haynes of WME Basketball told ESPN. @ShamsCharania
Well it looks like OKC's plan is going to be something that no other team in the NBA would have a chance of pulling off, which is to constantly replenish the rest of the starting lineup and bench through the draft genius of Sam Presti. Because they aren't going to have too much room to maneuver beyond these three guys, it'll have to be a bunch of overperforming players on rookie contracts around them. But Presti is the one guy who can do it.
Idk why you would want to dump JK if we are getting horford and have post as two stretch fives, now we can run lineups like melton pods jk jimmy horford when curry sits
Yeah, if you think about last year and how good JK had been in the weeks before he got hurt. The relationship with him and Steve; him and the team seemed as good as its been. At that point in time, I think most betting odds would've strongly suggested the Warriors would keep him.
Then he gets hurt, they trade for Jimmy, go on a run, and when he comes back the fit is predictably a bit clunky. But it wasn't all bad. There were moments where I saw JK making pretty good reads and adding to what became a much higher IQ squad.
Then they just excised him from the rotation for the Clippers game, the playin games and the first round. I really think it was one of Kerr's worst choices and I'm far from an anti-Kerr guy. I think it was a bad miscalculation of the best way to navigate the playoffs both from a big and small picture. Big picture it was very hard for me to imagine the Warriors could win four rounds without him. Small picture I don't why you wouldn't play the best rim attacker against a team with all these super athletic, physical perimeter defenders but a below average rim protector in Sengun.
Then it has the collateral damage of now it's seemingly like the relationship is irreparable. It wasn't in a bad spot four months ago.
I actually think it's a very short sighted decision by Kerr to send a message like that, esp in the Houston series. He played everybody else, so almost felt like a personal message to JK. Definitely bad for the Worriors team who needs all the talents to win. It's a mess created by Kerr not in a small part.
At this point, the only reason to do so would be if remaining FAs would come here, but only for greater than the TPMLE. Is Beal worth letting JK go?
There's also the risk that a JK long-term deal is immediately a negative contract. If the options were JK for $25M/yr for 4 years, then sure maybe renouncing him for nothing is a better deal.
For me - if JK is going to be happy with his role and happy to be with the Warriors, then keep JK.
But if JK wants the offense to run through him - similar role to Cade, Ant or Brandon Ingram, then I'd rather try to recruit Beal with using part or all of the full MLE. It doesn't make sense to keep a disgruntled JK at over 20M per season.
Agree. If there’s no trade out there, can’t give him $25M to be a malcontent. Give him the option of the QO or a $55M/3y deal that can be easily flipped at the deadline. Then he can either play the role Kerr wants, or he can sit at home.
If Melton takes the min and we get Horford for the TPMLE (ie we're capped at the 2nd apron), bring JK back (even if it's temporary). But if we're capped at the 1st apron:
Even if we took the Kings trade (the bad one with Saric, and I think we could at least extract multiple seconds if not a first - although even that would be a bad trade), JK for Horford + Melton + 2 random players + a few seconds or whatever isn't really that bad.
Not nearly as good as the TPMLE scenario, of course, but under the circumstances . . . Hopefully, we can get Melton for cheap.
Edit: there's also the possibilty that we get stuck with a JK that doesn't want to be here and we have to pay to dump him later
i think we should get long erm vlue for jk if we trade him not just a one year contract. We already did that giving up poole for 1 year then space, but we don't have a contract now we need to dump.
Hate the idea of dumping JK without getting value back. Especially with him not getting a huge offer in FA and nobody having cap space to credibly make such an offer, Warriors hold the cards. He can sign for a good/fair long term contract, or take the QO. Another team wanting a S&T has to come with something of tangible value to pry him away.
Regardless of his individual collection of stats, Kuminga has not contributed much to the team winning. That is how Steve Kerr sees it. He has said it different ways at different times. That is the opinion that matters on this.
-JK wants a bigger role to show off his skills (which is probably consistently 30+ minutes)
-Steve on record saying that's not going to happen if he doesn't learn how to play a role in the system
-Steve will always favor Steph (rightfully so)
Until something changes on either side it's just not going to work out here. I'm not ruling anything out for the future and I'm not crapping on anyone just saying that's the current situation.
Oh, they are pretty good on that without any help. Bulls fans still can't understand how they traded away Caruso who helped win a 'ship, and didn't get any of the 500 draft picks that OKC has.
Hey HQ, not sure if this got posted before but it's the best breakdown of Steph's ungodly shooting form I've come across. Definitely NSFW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh9Ko-Wi9JQ
This is amazing. Obsessive. Detailed. Fascinating. Awesome. Thanks for linking.
[[ "They play a good brand of basketball,” SETH Curry told Poole regarding Golden State. “I feel like I've been a part of Dub Nation for a while watching Steph and being around the organization. Obviously, they could use ... any team could use shooting. But I can't say anything other than I'm trying to find the best place for me, and hopefully we'll figure it out in the next week and figure out where I'll be going next."
“I always got to do what’s best for myself, obviously," Curry told Poole. "Steph would love me to come over there and play with them, the fans show me a lot of love at all times, the family would love it. I’ve always embraced the Warriors and their system and love the way they play, and you never know what could happen.” ]]
https://bsky.app/profile/nbcswarriors.bsky.social/post/3ltnwwamqv22m
But we already have Cryer
Okay, that made a *lot* more sense when I realized they meant Monte Poole and not Jordan Poole. 😜
I had to reread things a couple times. Lol. At first I thought Steph was thinking about leaving. 😬
One of the things in my craw about the Mavs, Nico and Cooper thing is that’s close to the last place I’d want him to go as an NBA fan.
They’ve traded out Cuban a very good owner for very dumb owners.
They’ve cast their die on this AD and Kyrie pairing and are more incentivized to see it through vs do what’s best for Cooper who’s by far their most important asset now.
So they’re going to play Cooper - a natural 4 - at SF next to a couple 5’s who can’t space the floor in AD, and one of Gafford and Lively.
They currently have one decent playmaker in DAngelo Russell. They’ll eventually get Kyrie. But neither of those guys are the type of really smart decision makers that could get the most out of a huge, defensively spectacular but awkwardly fitting front line.
By far their best lineup would be something like D’Angelo, Christie/Klay, Cooper, Pj Washington (who’s a combo forward) and AD at C. But I’m wondering how much they’ll push to do that with AD.
So I think he’s gonna struggle a bit forced into a dumb role for a dumb team with dumb reasons for doing what theyre doing. Vs any other franchise that would just try to build around one of the best prospects of the century.
“They” traded out Cuban??
Cuban sold the majority stake of the team ALL BY HIMSELF. He knew *exactly* who he was dealing with. The Adelsons are sharks. But, for whatever reason, he was cavalier about the transfer, didn’t follow Business 101: get the frikkin agreement to keep him in charge of bball operations IN WRITING. Cuban has earned zero sympathy.
Thats a really nice problem to have. I mean I think we ourselves are a team with a ton of power forwards: Draymond, Himmy, Moody, JK (if he re-signs), Toohey, and Gui. Six PFs in a 14 man roster and thats why Himmy gets slotted to the 3.
You don’t think they’ll go with twin towers?
I do think they’ll go twin towers. And I hate it for Flagg.
Cavs lead Pacers by 10 with 3:30 left … lose.
Plus ça change…
Uncanny
Flagg can play all 5 positions.
Including bricklayer lol
Except shooting guard. 😆
Hopefully we see more contracts for JKs peers done soon so he can stop being delusional about his value. Let’s find a sweet spot between 20-25m and let’s wrap this up already.
> JK’s peers
Moses Moody 3/$39M
Davion Mitchell 2/24 😎
I suspect certain missed opportunities are shaping the JK camp’s view of reality.
(1) Jalen Green’s 105m / 3y contract will be a North Star for JK as it’s the path not taken. Green was his teammate on the Ignite and got all he could eat on a bad HOU team, now has a reputation for being a talented non-winner and he got punted by HOU after not being able to be played vs GSW. BUT… he has $105m.
(2) The GSW extension offer, reported to be $30m+, which JK turned down as way insufficient. If his agent told him to reject that, that agent is sweating bullets trying to get anything remotely close to that now.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10140397-warriors-rumors-jonathan-kuminga-eyed-contract-well-beyond-30m-draymond-wiggins
I think Bronny will definitely develop into a nice role player in this league. I don’t think he has stardom in his future but he will definitely belong. He seems like a hard working kid and if you combine that with LeGenetics that should easily be an NBA player
"The JK situation drones on. It has, in course of time, become so complicated that no fan alive knows what it means. The parties to it understand it least, but it has been observed that no two GMs can talk about it for five minutes without coming to a total disagreement as to all the premises."
- Dickens, 'Bleak Off-Season'
When summer’s hush fell on the Bay,
A knock came from up north to play:
“The Kings will part with picks and more-
But not young Murray, close that door.”
The Warriors paused, the offer bare,
Would they trade wingspan, youth, and flair?
No pen was moved, no line was drawn—
Just whispers held from dusk till dawn.
- Poe, ‘A Whisper from the Kings’
Lakers vs Mavs starting in a few minutes on ESPN
"[Charania] New Orleans Pelicans forward Herb Jones has agreed to a three-year, $68 million contract extension with the franchise, Mark Bartelstein and Kieran Piller of @PrioritySports told ESPN. Jones now has a total five years and $97M on his Pelicans deal – with player option in 2029-30."
Seems like a pretty good S/T number with JK? 😉
Yeah (as a regular trade at the deadline next year) although apparently he's semi-untouchable (at least according to Pels fans)
Guess they like him
Public service announcement. For those of you trying to game theory the world’s most boring three-team gun standoff, know that if JK accepts the one-year qualifying offer, then he can veto any trade.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2024/04/hoops-rumors-glossary-qualifying-offer.html?utm_source=chatgpt.com
I'm not sure why he'd prefer that to a 3y/60M with player option type deal which I'm sure he could get.
1. Nothing I said is about prefer or not. I’m giving information about step #23 of a madness-inducing game planning of JK’s possibilities. :)
2. JK *might* think he can get a bigger contract if he takes the QO and hits the open market. You might say a player would never do that. Multiple players have in fact taken the QO in the past, betting on themselves.
Yeah, I know. I’m just adding on. Think of it as “yes, and” I can’t even see why that’s a consideration for him.
You have to think at a certain point players just want "number be big".
Between 60 and let's say 75 million over 3 years, there is absolutely no meaningful difference how an NBA player would live their life unless they are destined to spend it all, in which case the number doesn't matter.
At a certain point it's just wealth accumulation for the sake of it and a sickness to me.
This isn't JK specific for the record.
75M is 25% higher than 60M. The people paying him get more then that. I don't begrudge him or any other player one bit looking to maximize their earnings just because that's more money than I am likely to ever make.
Kuminga specifically is from the Congo, one of the poorest countries in the world. Comparatively there are people there who probably can't fathom how much you or I make and may think it's a sickness that I'm going after an extra 25% in my world.
Also because he's from the Congo the extra money that goes into his pocket vs Lacob or Vivek Ranadive's pocket may end up going back to some people who it will make a very meaningful difference to. He's a very young man and he's already shown a civic-mindedness about helping his people back home.
Again, it wasn't JK specific. NBA players have every right to get the max money they can. It's the system the NBA built and they should play the game.
I'm just saying their is a certain point when a person has so much wealth it materially means nothing to have an extra 5 or 10 million. I'm thinking of players who have already made 100 million in paticular. At that point the only way to spend it all is spend for the sake of spending.
I just can't comprehend being that rich and battling for every dollar every contract.
Not sure of the numbers...
If JK signs the 1 yr qualifying offer, does that free up the full MLE? Or are the Dubs still TPMLE?
According to Perks's sheet, GSW is 24.975m under the 1st Apron with 9 on the main roster. If JK took the 7.9m QO, that would leave ~17m under the 1st Ap. The NTLME is 14.1m. So technically yes.
Except, you need 14 players (+/- fussing with ten-days and other manipulations) on the roster. That's 5 more players. At the minimum of 2.3m, that's 11.5m, so you could only spend 17m-11.5m = 5.5m above the minimums before hitting the first apron.
Even if you were extremely deft and say signed Richard and Toohey to minimums which only count 1.27m, you only get another ~2.2m above minimum. So by my quick count, you could spend part of the NTMLE of ~(2.3+5.5+2.2) = ~10m.
It's tricky so I might have made a math error in there...
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aSo_Ni5pqrs6E9PbCZgfGKzq5qjklm60h6Ykw3lYSxE/edit?gid=304326641#gid=304326641
If Dubs can offer Beal 8 or 9M along with a promise of Draymond screens, about 25 to 30 mins per game plus green light to shoot, maybe they can persuade him to sign with the Dubs instead of the Clippers :)
Maybe GSW can make their offer more appealing by throwing in a no-trade clause
(kidding)
Like he would veto any trade... lolz. If he's taking the QO, I'm sure he's literally willing to jump on any trade.
Not necessarily. His incoming ball club may want some assurances on long term signability and he simply may not feel comfortable with the environment he would be being traded into.
He's also in danger of Patrick McCawing himself into oblivion.
>>>The post-Steph future looks incredibly bleak which makes the Kuminga transaction that is coming — I am expecting a sign-and-trade. I don’t know where, I don’t know when, and maybe there is no sign-and-trade and maybe they re-sign him.
The Kuminga transaction to me is the single most important franchise-building transaction that’s coming in the next 2, 3 or 4 months in the NBA, and I just don’t see a world in which that transaction sets the Warriors up for a happier post-Steph future because I think it’s going to be a sign-and-trade where the return is slightly underwhelming.<<<
https://old.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1lwopn0/zach_lowe_on_the_kuminga_situation_i_am_expecting/
If it was that bleak they would blow it all up now. Obviously they aren't.
JK is more then slightly "underwhelming". At this point I don't think him in a Dubs uni would be doing either him or the franchise any good.
Love Zach, but "incredibly bleak" seems hyperbolic. Of course it's painful when a franchise player (and Top 5 all-time player) ages out. But it's hardly "incredible."
I'd call it more "predictably bleak."
Outside of Moody (and maybe a Podz extension), we have $0 committed post-Curry. Will we suck? Maybe. Will we have all of our picks and 3 max slots? As of now, definitely. Hell, (barring injury of course) there's a good chance that we could be a regular playoff team for years after Curry. (IMO)
These guys all seem to forget how quickly things change…
Steph Curry asked about the idea of Al Horford joining the Warriors: “He’s a champion, great player. When…if, when all that stuff happens, I’ll talk about it.” @anthonyVslater
Someone should ask him about Monte Poole's interview with Seth, who seemed pretty open to landing at GSW this year.
> all that stuff
Giannis to the Bay confirmed.
We might have to settle for Trey Murphy :-(
Breaking: Oklahoma City Thunder All-NBA star and champion Jalen Williams has agreed to a five-year maximum rookie contract extension that could reach $287 million, agents Bill Duffy and Justin Haynes of WME Basketball told ESPN. @ShamsCharania
Well it looks like OKC's plan is going to be something that no other team in the NBA would have a chance of pulling off, which is to constantly replenish the rest of the starting lineup and bench through the draft genius of Sam Presti. Because they aren't going to have too much room to maneuver beyond these three guys, it'll have to be a bunch of overperforming players on rookie contracts around them. But Presti is the one guy who can do it.
Doubt
Also, better prey all those guys remain healthy
I love the smell of napalm in the morning
I was so confused for a minute. Lol.
Walnut Creek’s Bill Duffy having quite the off-season.
Sounds like he can now probably afford to live in the Bay Area. 😜
If he commutes from Tracy
They better draft their asses off
Idk why you would want to dump JK if we are getting horford and have post as two stretch fives, now we can run lineups like melton pods jk jimmy horford when curry sits
Yeah, if you think about last year and how good JK had been in the weeks before he got hurt. The relationship with him and Steve; him and the team seemed as good as its been. At that point in time, I think most betting odds would've strongly suggested the Warriors would keep him.
Then he gets hurt, they trade for Jimmy, go on a run, and when he comes back the fit is predictably a bit clunky. But it wasn't all bad. There were moments where I saw JK making pretty good reads and adding to what became a much higher IQ squad.
Then they just excised him from the rotation for the Clippers game, the playin games and the first round. I really think it was one of Kerr's worst choices and I'm far from an anti-Kerr guy. I think it was a bad miscalculation of the best way to navigate the playoffs both from a big and small picture. Big picture it was very hard for me to imagine the Warriors could win four rounds without him. Small picture I don't why you wouldn't play the best rim attacker against a team with all these super athletic, physical perimeter defenders but a below average rim protector in Sengun.
Then it has the collateral damage of now it's seemingly like the relationship is irreparable. It wasn't in a bad spot four months ago.
I actually think it's a very short sighted decision by Kerr to send a message like that, esp in the Houston series. He played everybody else, so almost felt like a personal message to JK. Definitely bad for the Worriors team who needs all the talents to win. It's a mess created by Kerr not in a small part.
Attitude? ill-will? unwilling to do what coaches ask of him?
At this point, the only reason to do so would be if remaining FAs would come here, but only for greater than the TPMLE. Is Beal worth letting JK go?
There's also the risk that a JK long-term deal is immediately a negative contract. If the options were JK for $25M/yr for 4 years, then sure maybe renouncing him for nothing is a better deal.
For me - if JK is going to be happy with his role and happy to be with the Warriors, then keep JK.
But if JK wants the offense to run through him - similar role to Cade, Ant or Brandon Ingram, then I'd rather try to recruit Beal with using part or all of the full MLE. It doesn't make sense to keep a disgruntled JK at over 20M per season.
Agree. If there’s no trade out there, can’t give him $25M to be a malcontent. Give him the option of the QO or a $55M/3y deal that can be easily flipped at the deadline. Then he can either play the role Kerr wants, or he can sit at home.
If Melton takes the min and we get Horford for the TPMLE (ie we're capped at the 2nd apron), bring JK back (even if it's temporary). But if we're capped at the 1st apron:
Even if we took the Kings trade (the bad one with Saric, and I think we could at least extract multiple seconds if not a first - although even that would be a bad trade), JK for Horford + Melton + 2 random players + a few seconds or whatever isn't really that bad.
Not nearly as good as the TPMLE scenario, of course, but under the circumstances . . . Hopefully, we can get Melton for cheap.
Edit: there's also the possibilty that we get stuck with a JK that doesn't want to be here and we have to pay to dump him later
i think we should get long erm vlue for jk if we trade him not just a one year contract. We already did that giving up poole for 1 year then space, but we don't have a contract now we need to dump.
Hate the idea of dumping JK without getting value back. Especially with him not getting a huge offer in FA and nobody having cap space to credibly make such an offer, Warriors hold the cards. He can sign for a good/fair long term contract, or take the QO. Another team wanting a S&T has to come with something of tangible value to pry him away.
Two stretch fives, he’s coming off a great playoff performance with a ton of confidence, why tf would we not want him here
Regardless of his individual collection of stats, Kuminga has not contributed much to the team winning. That is how Steve Kerr sees it. He has said it different ways at different times. That is the opinion that matters on this.
Quick recap of JK's tenure with us
-JK wants a bigger role to show off his skills (which is probably consistently 30+ minutes)
-Steve on record saying that's not going to happen if he doesn't learn how to play a role in the system
-Steve will always favor Steph (rightfully so)
Until something changes on either side it's just not going to work out here. I'm not ruling anything out for the future and I'm not crapping on anyone just saying that's the current situation.
>>> Steve will always favor Steph
…and Steph will always favor Gui.
agreee that it wont work out perfectly but he is still an asset and in the tough west we need every asset we can find
With two stretch fives on the roster Jk will be the second or third option easily on this team
But… unless hes able to share the court with Dray and Jimmy, those stretch 5s will help others find time in the floor, instead of JK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0ACDVeh-Ws
KC Johnson of Chicago NBC sports on 95.7 The Game talking about JK and Free Agency
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It doesn't sound like Coby White is available for anyone
Bulls would be super dumb if they gave away Coby White to another team.
Maybe Sacramento can show them how to make dumb moves.
Oh, they are pretty good on that without any help. Bulls fans still can't understand how they traded away Caruso who helped win a 'ship, and didn't get any of the 500 draft picks that OKC has.