Wiggins had ~20 games last year to start learning Kerr's offensive & defensive principles, and presumably spent all his (lengthened) offseason learning up even more... albeit without much actual team practice time.
Oubre was traded to the Warriors a month before the season, in the middle of a pandemic, after being traded once already in the offseason... and has been trying to learn team's offensive & defensive principles with a (probably overwhelmed) rookie mucking things up a bit with his own learning curve. It's going to be hard to develop good fundamental understanding of the action of the offense until he can experience it being regularly run properly with him as the weak link. And not knowing where to go, he will revert to his existing training & best practices... for instance: if he's supposed to set a screen and then run to the basket or run backdoor, but finds Wiseman occupying the space he's supposed to threaten, he's gotta improvise where to go without yet truly knowing where everybody else is going to go next.
I'm hopeful that switching Looney into the starting 5 will help Oubre's learning curve in our offense.
oubre is making 14 mill this season, if we make the playoffs and hes playing well...he will want a rise, near 16-18 ...lonzo will be much cheaper and, i hope, the pick from minny will come too and thats another salary to count
I think oubre will be great for us next season..but from the bench...so thats something else to keep in mind..would he accept that role?
Count me in for Ball for Oubre. When in doubt, take the IQ player. Ball will benefit from the faster pace of GSW. Advanced stats seem to like Lonzo's defense more, even if Oubre's flashier. It seems sacrilegious to say but I could see an Iguodala-like role for Lonzo. The sneaky acquisition would be if they could add Hart as well. A really good rebounding SF who can shoot a 3 and play defense would be quite an add. For that very reason, that seems overly optimistic of course.
Add more DLee playing time, and baby, you got a stew cooking.
I have been high on Oubre through most of his struggles, but last game I got glimpses of what I felt with DLo and I sadly I am starting to think this may not work. Though a trade for Lonzo and JJ is not very exciting. Regarding Lonzo, aside from his playmaking, his average-decent defense— what really bothers me (outside his family relations and rap career) is I get really turned off when guys struggle with FT’s. It is a direct result of how much work you chose to put in (which is probably why I can’t seem to give up my faith in Jordan Poole). I just wouldn’t do this trade now. I am not sure that Kelly is our guy, but he gives effort (most of the time).
Also OT Just looked at the Utah - Knicks game & Knicks are leading by a point at the end of 3rd qtr. Austin Rivers is 10-10 and 5-5 on 3s for 25 pts. *eyes wide* Meanwhile, Mitchell is 2-13 for 6 pts for the Jazz.
No thanks, for me. Glad it wasn't us shopping Oubre... we need rebounding and outside shooting.
At best this is a wash... Oubre is bigger and I don't trust that a career 49 FT% guard will ever consistently shoot well from outside. He's basically a slightly longer Rubio... and more playmaking is nice but that's not where we're hurting.
OT Clippers just lost to Atlanta without Kawhi & PG13 [Covid protocols] & Beverly [injured] on 1st game of a 6 game road trip. They could potentially have as many losses as the Dubs in 3 more games. That would make things in the Pacific division interesting.
I would prefer Lamelo, 3D. Could you arrange that, please?
I think the downside to Lonzo is that he is not a good shooter on any level. Even his FTs are poor and he's off to a very poor start in this season. He does rebound and he's an above average passer. The two contracts are several million apart, Oubre being the more expensive one. I don't see this happening. It would be out of character for the Warriors to do this. OTOH, Zion would be lovely.😁 I would also consider Ingram but the Pels would never do it.
On a somewhat similar note, what do you guys think about John Collins? He's clashing a bit with Trae, and they'll probably look to deal him as they don't want to pay him the max (or near-max which he'll probably get as an RFA in next year's depleted free agency). Good 3 point shooter, tremendous lob threat and has decent defensive metrics too.
assuming the front office is going to keep Oubre, which i dont know why they wouldnt, is there anything else we could offer that gets lonzo over here? Backup floor general, solid D, heads up passing I know many of us think he could be a solid contributor. Any way we can combine some of our kiddos +pick?
I actually don't hate Lonzo Ball and think he could be a useful SDot-type player for a team like the Dubs with his defense and his passing ability. That being said, don't think I'd trade Oubre for him, especially at this low point in Oubre's value.
Just a thought on Oubre's struggles:
Wiggins had ~20 games last year to start learning Kerr's offensive & defensive principles, and presumably spent all his (lengthened) offseason learning up even more... albeit without much actual team practice time.
Oubre was traded to the Warriors a month before the season, in the middle of a pandemic, after being traded once already in the offseason... and has been trying to learn team's offensive & defensive principles with a (probably overwhelmed) rookie mucking things up a bit with his own learning curve. It's going to be hard to develop good fundamental understanding of the action of the offense until he can experience it being regularly run properly with him as the weak link. And not knowing where to go, he will revert to his existing training & best practices... for instance: if he's supposed to set a screen and then run to the basket or run backdoor, but finds Wiseman occupying the space he's supposed to threaten, he's gotta improvise where to go without yet truly knowing where everybody else is going to go next.
I'm hopeful that switching Looney into the starting 5 will help Oubre's learning curve in our offense.
oubre is making 14 mill this season, if we make the playoffs and hes playing well...he will want a rise, near 16-18 ...lonzo will be much cheaper and, i hope, the pick from minny will come too and thats another salary to count
I think oubre will be great for us next season..but from the bench...so thats something else to keep in mind..would he accept that role?
Count me in for Ball for Oubre. When in doubt, take the IQ player. Ball will benefit from the faster pace of GSW. Advanced stats seem to like Lonzo's defense more, even if Oubre's flashier. It seems sacrilegious to say but I could see an Iguodala-like role for Lonzo. The sneaky acquisition would be if they could add Hart as well. A really good rebounding SF who can shoot a 3 and play defense would be quite an add. For that very reason, that seems overly optimistic of course.
Add more DLee playing time, and baby, you got a stew cooking.
I have been high on Oubre through most of his struggles, but last game I got glimpses of what I felt with DLo and I sadly I am starting to think this may not work. Though a trade for Lonzo and JJ is not very exciting. Regarding Lonzo, aside from his playmaking, his average-decent defense— what really bothers me (outside his family relations and rap career) is I get really turned off when guys struggle with FT’s. It is a direct result of how much work you chose to put in (which is probably why I can’t seem to give up my faith in Jordan Poole). I just wouldn’t do this trade now. I am not sure that Kelly is our guy, but he gives effort (most of the time).
Also OT Just looked at the Utah - Knicks game & Knicks are leading by a point at the end of 3rd qtr. Austin Rivers is 10-10 and 5-5 on 3s for 25 pts. *eyes wide* Meanwhile, Mitchell is 2-13 for 6 pts for the Jazz.
No thanks, for me. Glad it wasn't us shopping Oubre... we need rebounding and outside shooting.
At best this is a wash... Oubre is bigger and I don't trust that a career 49 FT% guard will ever consistently shoot well from outside. He's basically a slightly longer Rubio... and more playmaking is nice but that's not where we're hurting.
OT Clippers just lost to Atlanta without Kawhi & PG13 [Covid protocols] & Beverly [injured] on 1st game of a 6 game road trip. They could potentially have as many losses as the Dubs in 3 more games. That would make things in the Pacific division interesting.
Thinking about a primary guard rotation of Curry, Ball, Lee is pretty cool because it’s very easy to envision any two of them fitting well together.
I would prefer Lamelo, 3D. Could you arrange that, please?
I think the downside to Lonzo is that he is not a good shooter on any level. Even his FTs are poor and he's off to a very poor start in this season. He does rebound and he's an above average passer. The two contracts are several million apart, Oubre being the more expensive one. I don't see this happening. It would be out of character for the Warriors to do this. OTOH, Zion would be lovely.😁 I would also consider Ingram but the Pels would never do it.
On a somewhat similar note, what do you guys think about John Collins? He's clashing a bit with Trae, and they'll probably look to deal him as they don't want to pay him the max (or near-max which he'll probably get as an RFA in next year's depleted free agency). Good 3 point shooter, tremendous lob threat and has decent defensive metrics too.
BKisforSF needs GIFs, badly
I like Oubre's passion and bounciness. He just needs more time in Kerr's system.
assuming the front office is going to keep Oubre, which i dont know why they wouldnt, is there anything else we could offer that gets lonzo over here? Backup floor general, solid D, heads up passing I know many of us think he could be a solid contributor. Any way we can combine some of our kiddos +pick?
if someone was going to look at Wiggins pre- and post-Warriors stats, which would you all be most interested in?
I actually don't hate Lonzo Ball and think he could be a useful SDot-type player for a team like the Dubs with his defense and his passing ability. That being said, don't think I'd trade Oubre for him, especially at this low point in Oubre's value.
Hopefully not...