Presumably a big factor is the fact they would have to refund ticket holders and take a big hit.
Also, arena employees who are not “essential”, including clean up staff, retail staff, food servers, etc. etc., would be out of money, or GSW would have to pay them sick leave.
My guess is GSW is just trying to get through this homestand (tonight and Thursday) without cancelling, and then it’s someone else’s problem until the Mar 25 return against ATL.
Do the players play in Hazmat suits? Are the Nets staying in a hotel or a quarantine center while in SF? I'm betting a hotel, you know a place where there's travelers and people from all over the world. What's to prevent a player from picking up the virus and passing it on to other players via bodily fluid and contact? They either shut the season down or play in front of fans. Anything else is a useless, halfway measure.
We were a few days late in taking the danger seriously. Just a few days of hesitation, of nonchalance, of doing as if such things are far away from us in time, space and chance.
The result?
- exponential growth of new cases, of overall sick people, of people that need immediate attention and hospitalisation, of deaths
- panic, assault to shops, shortages
- global quarantine of the whole nation. I cannot and I don't want to visit my mum that's 82.
- firms that cannot telecommute are shutting down altogether or at best slowing down activity
- by mid april (when the PEAK is expected) the damage to general economy will be egregious, and the death toll will be in the order of the tens of thousands.
- social damage will be unaccountable. All sports, theatre, entertainment, cultural event are shutting down
Please please please DO NOT underestimate the danger. Better shutting down for one month now and call it a day, than risk facing THIS SHIT.
#1 or #2, but honestly #1. I kind of feel LeBron's point about playing in front of fans--a no-fan game on TV would just feel...weird. Also even without fans, no guarantee the virus still doesn't spread at the stadium, in which case its the players and staff that are at highest risk.
I've been on Lacob's side in just about everything, but going against the advice of the city council and risking the health of...EVERYBODY...to make extra more money he doesn't really need?? Oh and we can't sue if we get sick because of his irresponsibility?!!?!
Worst thing he's done as Warriors owner, by a country mile.
I agree with your general premise but why is all of the blame being directed at the Warriors? Why doesn't the city of SF just force them to do what the health experts recommend? It almost seems like the city of SF didn't want to be the "bad guy" here, forcing the Warriors to make a change.
Never tell a wealthy person that they don't need more money. I agree that this is a pretty bad look. One thing to keep in mind- presumably there are talks among owners and in the league about this, and I'm sure they want to act as one in some sense, because if one team acts without any kind of agreement, it creates the news and the rest are behind the 8 ball.
True, and we could see this at work during the Morey/China fiasco. Someone has to be the first to do the right thing. If no one speaks out/acts 1st, it just re-enforces the bad behavior.
True about the wealthy folks, but "needing more money" vs. risking the lives of others is a line that shouldn't be crossed. I read there's supposed to be a league conference call or something tomorrow, and I could see them towing the line one more day for the sake of unity. But this is more important, and the league shouldn't be waiting even another day--not to mention, nothing in the Dubs actions indicate they want to close down but are waiting--instead, they're saying go maybe get sick and if you do it's not our fault.
That said--I'm probably not the only one who's been on Gametime today gushing at the actually reasonable prices for tickets. I won't go--but I can look, right?
Dang. I have parents that live in an elderly community, and they are really worried about it getting in somehow. My mom has also had pneumonia not too long ago. No going to any crowded gatherings for me!
I am in favor of getting out in front of this thing as quickly and effectively as possible. Make it harder to spread. Delay the season, that seems like the most logical of many difficult options. Too many vulnerable people.
If you need a warning sign that attending the game is at your own risk, you probably shouldn’t go. NBA should play games without crowds. Maybe put it on paid cable as well so we can get the full unedited audio of the trash talk on court! https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/11/02/21/19145805/9/gallery_large.jpg
If infections in the US follow the pattern in Italy, we're going to have a huge spike very shortly because the virus is already circulating. We need to slow that down as much as possible to allow hospitals time to prepare.
People are going to be spending a lot more time at home. They will need entertainment. And they'll need morale boosters.
The NBA should play with no fans admitted. The players aren't at great risk because they travel on private jets, plus they're healthy young men. The teams should limit people in the arenas as much as possible: just security and support staff.
If the games go on, the teams will still make money from TV rights. Ratings might even go up. They will forego ticket sales for a while and that hurts financially, but it's the right thing to do to slow down the pandemic.
One of the big problems with this COVID-19 is that's not Ebola (thank god), but it's not the flu either. Kids seem to be relatively ok with it, which means that parents are probably aren't as careful as they would be (even if it's only subconsciously). Also the danger isn't really immediate to 20-40-somethings, especially if they're single/live alone. But they can be a danger to others. I think the gov't (especially the federal gov't) should've been much proactive earlier, but at this point it's up to every person to keep it from spreading, esp of course to old/immuno-suppressed people. And the Warriors should be supporting that effort.
at one point the spanish flu killed more people in 24 hours than AIDS did in 24 years. why was the spanish flu so deadly? because half the world didn't take it seriously and was too busy telling people to focus on fighting a war. bite the bullet, take the temporary loss and save human lives.
It will be weird, and the team will lose money but the spread of this thing affects everyone who comes in contact with anyone who went to the game. I get that it's a lot of money, but all the experts are strongly advising against meetings of this size so it seems weird to ignore all of them
LeBron backtracking faster than he gets back on defense during the regular season:
"LeBron's full comment:
When I was asked the question, 'would you play without no fans?' I had no idea there was a conversation going on behind closed doors about the particular virus. Obviously I would be very disappointed not having the fans, because that's what I play for -- I play for my family, I play for the fans. They said no one could actually come to the game if they decide to go to that point, so I'd be disappointed in that, but at the same time you gotta listen to the people that keep track of what's going on. If they feel like it's best for the safety of the players, safety of the franchise, safety of the league to mandate that, then we'll all listen to it."
Oh definitely, I just think LeBron meant what he said. I'm glad he did the responsible thing eventually, though. Maybe i'm just being overly hard on him.
#2. #3 is irresponsible. (Disclosure: My sociologist-husband studies infectious disease containment.) A community-acquired COVID-19 patient has died a couple counties south. The virus has been in SF Bay Area, and Lacob wants a massive crowd to watch guys stuff balls in holes? Insane. Of Breed has to send police to Chase Arena to stop it, so be it.
Play the games but in an empty arena. LeBron's comments about not wanting to play without fans ignores the thousands (or millions) watching the games on TV or online. Especially if people are stuck in their homes, give them some fun basketball to watch!
SF State, UC Berkeley and (I think) Stanford have gone to all-online courses. Lots of scrambling around as students and instructors figure out how to make that happen.
SF Ballet and SF Symphony have cancelled performances through Mar 20. The financial toll will be harsh.
UCSF has canceled all gatherings larger than 150, people that can work from home being encouraged to do so, smaller meetings that can move to teleconferencing are also being encouraged to do so. But literally next door we have 20K people in one building. I kind of expect better from the warriors.
Yeah, the Warriors are raking in money, even more than the Knicks and Lakers, according to Lacob. Also, there's no more Luxury Tax this year. There's plenty of money to not only lose revenue for two regular season games (which hurts, but "we're talking about the regular season, we're not even talking about the playoffs . . . when it matters"), but also pay the workers what they would make for 2 average regular season games. The Warriors are on way way better footing than the Symphony and Ballet (which are going to take a major hit from this, yet they did it anyway).
Shamelessly copying my post from the other thread:
"Do the right thing, Lacob. The Dubs only have 2 home games (ofc today, and Thursday), then all road games until the 25th. No spectators for 2 games wouldn't be terrible."
I go with 4. The NBA should pause the season. If it turns out that things can resumed in a couple weeks, it shouldn't be that much of an issue in regards to off season rest or impacting next year. We all also get the games played in front of crowds, those jobs still happen, etc. Just delayed.
If its only between options 1-3, I choose 2. People still have to sit around at home and watch something! Plus most activities in the US are going to be limited like this, not outright canceled.
Do the players play in Hazmat suits? Are the Nets staying in a hotel or a quarantine center while in SF? I'm betting a hotel, you know a place where there's travelers and people from all over the world. What's to prevent a player from picking up the virus and passing it on to other players via bodily fluid and contact? They either shut the season down or play in front of fans. Anything else is a useless, halfway measure.
I bring you facts from Italy.
We were a few days late in taking the danger seriously. Just a few days of hesitation, of nonchalance, of doing as if such things are far away from us in time, space and chance.
The result?
- exponential growth of new cases, of overall sick people, of people that need immediate attention and hospitalisation, of deaths
- panic, assault to shops, shortages
- global quarantine of the whole nation. I cannot and I don't want to visit my mum that's 82.
- firms that cannot telecommute are shutting down altogether or at best slowing down activity
- by mid april (when the PEAK is expected) the damage to general economy will be egregious, and the death toll will be in the order of the tens of thousands.
- social damage will be unaccountable. All sports, theatre, entertainment, cultural event are shutting down
Please please please DO NOT underestimate the danger. Better shutting down for one month now and call it a day, than risk facing THIS SHIT.
Stefano
Do you know anyone that's been sick and what are their symptoms?
The symptoms are like pneumonia: breathing difficulty, fever, rhinitis
Official CDC guidance: coronavirus.gov
Athletes can't be sick because we need to watch them when we're in isolation.
#1 or #2, but honestly #1. I kind of feel LeBron's point about playing in front of fans--a no-fan game on TV would just feel...weird. Also even without fans, no guarantee the virus still doesn't spread at the stadium, in which case its the players and staff that are at highest risk.
I've been on Lacob's side in just about everything, but going against the advice of the city council and risking the health of...EVERYBODY...to make extra more money he doesn't really need?? Oh and we can't sue if we get sick because of his irresponsibility?!!?!
Worst thing he's done as Warriors owner, by a country mile.
I agree with your general premise but why is all of the blame being directed at the Warriors? Why doesn't the city of SF just force them to do what the health experts recommend? It almost seems like the city of SF didn't want to be the "bad guy" here, forcing the Warriors to make a change.
Let fans use Zoom to get projected w/audio onto the Jumbotron above the court.
Never tell a wealthy person that they don't need more money. I agree that this is a pretty bad look. One thing to keep in mind- presumably there are talks among owners and in the league about this, and I'm sure they want to act as one in some sense, because if one team acts without any kind of agreement, it creates the news and the rest are behind the 8 ball.
True, and we could see this at work during the Morey/China fiasco. Someone has to be the first to do the right thing. If no one speaks out/acts 1st, it just re-enforces the bad behavior.
Oh I wholeheartedly agree.
True about the wealthy folks, but "needing more money" vs. risking the lives of others is a line that shouldn't be crossed. I read there's supposed to be a league conference call or something tomorrow, and I could see them towing the line one more day for the sake of unity. But this is more important, and the league shouldn't be waiting even another day--not to mention, nothing in the Dubs actions indicate they want to close down but are waiting--instead, they're saying go maybe get sick and if you do it's not our fault.
That said--I'm probably not the only one who's been on Gametime today gushing at the actually reasonable prices for tickets. I won't go--but I can look, right?
Dang. I have parents that live in an elderly community, and they are really worried about it getting in somehow. My mom has also had pneumonia not too long ago. No going to any crowded gatherings for me!
I am in favor of getting out in front of this thing as quickly and effectively as possible. Make it harder to spread. Delay the season, that seems like the most logical of many difficult options. Too many vulnerable people.
If you need a warning sign that attending the game is at your own risk, you probably shouldn’t go. NBA should play games without crowds. Maybe put it on paid cable as well so we can get the full unedited audio of the trash talk on court! https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/11/02/21/19145805/9/gallery_large.jpg
If infections in the US follow the pattern in Italy, we're going to have a huge spike very shortly because the virus is already circulating. We need to slow that down as much as possible to allow hospitals time to prepare.
People are going to be spending a lot more time at home. They will need entertainment. And they'll need morale boosters.
The NBA should play with no fans admitted. The players aren't at great risk because they travel on private jets, plus they're healthy young men. The teams should limit people in the arenas as much as possible: just security and support staff.
If the games go on, the teams will still make money from TV rights. Ratings might even go up. They will forego ticket sales for a while and that hurts financially, but it's the right thing to do to slow down the pandemic.
One of the big problems with this COVID-19 is that's not Ebola (thank god), but it's not the flu either. Kids seem to be relatively ok with it, which means that parents are probably aren't as careful as they would be (even if it's only subconsciously). Also the danger isn't really immediate to 20-40-somethings, especially if they're single/live alone. But they can be a danger to others. I think the gov't (especially the federal gov't) should've been much proactive earlier, but at this point it's up to every person to keep it from spreading, esp of course to old/immuno-suppressed people. And the Warriors should be supporting that effort.
at one point the spanish flu killed more people in 24 hours than AIDS did in 24 years. why was the spanish flu so deadly? because half the world didn't take it seriously and was too busy telling people to focus on fighting a war. bite the bullet, take the temporary loss and save human lives.
I'm with SF.
It will be weird, and the team will lose money but the spread of this thing affects everyone who comes in contact with anyone who went to the game. I get that it's a lot of money, but all the experts are strongly advising against meetings of this size so it seems weird to ignore all of them
LeBron backtracking faster than he gets back on defense during the regular season:
"LeBron's full comment:
When I was asked the question, 'would you play without no fans?' I had no idea there was a conversation going on behind closed doors about the particular virus. Obviously I would be very disappointed not having the fans, because that's what I play for -- I play for my family, I play for the fans. They said no one could actually come to the game if they decide to go to that point, so I'd be disappointed in that, but at the same time you gotta listen to the people that keep track of what's going on. If they feel like it's best for the safety of the players, safety of the franchise, safety of the league to mandate that, then we'll all listen to it."
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/lakers-lebron-james-walks-back-statement-about-potentially-playing-games-without-fans-due-to-coronavirus/
He should have added safety of the fans. That's more humane..
yeah i was reading that sentence anticipating him mentioning the fans, you know the people he claims to play for. i'm not sure he quite gets it yet.
That's good though
People are allowed to change their minds,right?
Oh definitely, I just think LeBron meant what he said. I'm glad he did the responsible thing eventually, though. Maybe i'm just being overly hard on him.
#2. #3 is irresponsible. (Disclosure: My sociologist-husband studies infectious disease containment.) A community-acquired COVID-19 patient has died a couple counties south. The virus has been in SF Bay Area, and Lacob wants a massive crowd to watch guys stuff balls in holes? Insane. Of Breed has to send police to Chase Arena to stop it, so be it.
The recommended is optional at this point, which I think reflects the scientific uncertainty.
That said, my office of about 15 people has us all working from home just to be safe
3 unless there is an real threat. Let the fans decide if they want to go or not.
Play the games but in an empty arena. LeBron's comments about not wanting to play without fans ignores the thousands (or millions) watching the games on TV or online. Especially if people are stuck in their homes, give them some fun basketball to watch!
More and more I'm thinking this. It's really dangerous for older people and a lot of them go to games.
the older people don't even have to leave their house, the young vibrant children and grandchildren will bring it home to them
THIS ^^
The ease of spreading is really everything, isn't it? Damn.
Some context:
SF State, UC Berkeley and (I think) Stanford have gone to all-online courses. Lots of scrambling around as students and instructors figure out how to make that happen.
SF Ballet and SF Symphony have cancelled performances through Mar 20. The financial toll will be harsh.
UCSF has canceled all gatherings larger than 150, people that can work from home being encouraged to do so, smaller meetings that can move to teleconferencing are also being encouraged to do so. But literally next door we have 20K people in one building. I kind of expect better from the warriors.
Yeah, the Warriors are raking in money, even more than the Knicks and Lakers, according to Lacob. Also, there's no more Luxury Tax this year. There's plenty of money to not only lose revenue for two regular season games (which hurts, but "we're talking about the regular season, we're not even talking about the playoffs . . . when it matters"), but also pay the workers what they would make for 2 average regular season games. The Warriors are on way way better footing than the Symphony and Ballet (which are going to take a major hit from this, yet they did it anyway).
/rant
Shamelessly copying my post from the other thread:
"Do the right thing, Lacob. The Dubs only have 2 home games (ofc today, and Thursday), then all road games until the 25th. No spectators for 2 games wouldn't be terrible."
I go with 4. The NBA should pause the season. If it turns out that things can resumed in a couple weeks, it shouldn't be that much of an issue in regards to off season rest or impacting next year. We all also get the games played in front of crowds, those jobs still happen, etc. Just delayed.
If its only between options 1-3, I choose 2. People still have to sit around at home and watch something! Plus most activities in the US are going to be limited like this, not outright canceled.
#3, until coherent advice is widely available and consistent. Who are the SF officials advising canceling?
SF Supervisor Aaron Peskin made the comment today that it "would be a matter of when, not if" the city would issue an emergency public health order.
Here's a recent article with more detail: https://missionlocal.org/2020/03/golden-state-warriors-have-rebuffed-san-francisco-officials-pleas-to-cancel-games-due-to-covid-19-virus/
Good. But they are missing out on a great marketing opp by not passing out GSW branded face masks.
Thanks, Crusty. I would certainly abide by the SF Public Health officials or the NBA if it issues League-wide guidelines.
And I would unquestionably follow Dr. Anthony Fauci’s advice or a scholarly approach issued by UCSF.
What if Fauci's advice was to play the games with fans? Would you follow his advice?
I would think the players could sue if they’re forced to play in unsafe conditions and get it.