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Apr 3, 2021Liked by punk basketball

Sometimes hitting the rock bottom early is good for long run.

It seems Warriors treating Wiseman almost in the similar way Minnesota treated Wiggins in his early years as #1 pick. (Wiggins at least won ROY tho)

That’s why Wiseman overestimates himself and underestimates NBA games and “ trying to do too much” himself, that consequently causing him to lose confidence. Remember how he played after being benched for 3 quarters ?

Looks like Wiseman hardly went through a humbling experience like Steph or Dray$( I like this spelling Sleepy introduced) had, such as not getting an offer from a good college program or being drafted in second round.

Look at Jordan. His father once told him when he was in middle school,

“ You'd be lucky to play overseas." and what did Bob Myers say after 2019 Draft ? ( I know they were not higher pick as Wiseman). around 03:38 mark

https://www.nba.com/warriors/video/teams/warriors/2019/06/21/2655756/1561093192440-bob-myers-post-draft-press-conference-2655756

Even Kerr sent him to g league, let alone “starting” I mean “ STARTING” !

Did they think 19 years would think he was placed as a starter for development purpose? No, he would’ve thought be cause he is as good as any NBA starter.

They should approached him the way they approached Wiggins when he came to Warriors.

I’ve never written this long let alone my opinion here but I felt having swallowed a whole Easter 🥚 or sweet potato.🤔

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Man, I sincerely hope this is rock bottom...

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Apr 3, 2021Liked by punk basketball

Well... we didn't lose by 60. But to quote Shakespeare's King Lear, "O, that way madness lies; let me shun that; No more of that."

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Apr 3, 2021Liked by punk basketball

Things will really turn up if Minnesota keeps their pick

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If the game is tied and you have 1 FT attempt to win the game, how confident would you be that a 60% FT shooter makes it?

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Apr 3, 2021Liked by punk basketball

60% confident

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hahaha great gif

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Apr 3, 2021Liked by punk basketball

I'm guessing it was a good game to miss.

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Also game to game roster management to stay in the running for playoffs has been bad. Why would you play butt hurt Steph in FIGABABA against gutsy MIA Heat instead of in SEGABABA against loitery bound Raptors

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Apr 3, 2021Liked by punk basketball

Was wondering that yesterday. Only real explanation is Steph really thought he was playing both games and then a bad bump changed everyone's minds, I think?

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Yeah. With season slipping away, Curry decided to put his butt on the line, figuratively and literally. He should sit in the game vs Bucks for sure.

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Lacob+FO+Kerr tried and are trying to thread the needle of developing a very green #2 pick and winning to be playoff team. Unfortunately that hasn't worked for many reasons including players being out due to Covid protocols, freak injury (Curry tail bone), Oubre turning out to be an inconsistent player, Kerr's believe that motion offense cures all ills no matter who is on the roster.

But one of the reason that it is not working is that #2 pick is not emotionally mature enough to be put through that type of situation and handle up and downs in the game including sticking to set plays and role defined for him - which to be fair to him, has been ill managed by Lacob/GM/Kerr. 19 years old or not, hitting the cooler to show frustration ain't a good sign of how he self evaluates where he is in his development to be an NBA elite one day.

IMHO, at this point, Wiseman needs to be limited to Javale's kind of role irrespective of which unit he is playing with - either that or tell Steph/Dray to take it easy and let Wiseman do what he is doing in the hope that he will be ready by next season.

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Apr 3, 2021Liked by punk basketball, Daniel Hardee

So kind of off topic, but I happened to live with Russell Westbrook while he was at UCLA and entering the draft as a 19 year old by chance. I say this to say at that age, from my prospective, he primarily knew two things. 1, that he needed to take pristine care of his body, which he absolutely did. 2, that he was on the verge of making millions of dollars as a young kid. To be fair, being dedicated to not drink and do other substances in that environment is incredibly hard at that age, yet I never personally witnessed that from a current MVP player.

When I compare my perceived maturity of a known MVP player at the age of 19 with what I see of Wiseman at the same age, I love what I see from Wiseman. At the age of 19, confronted with the prospect of making millions, Wiseman shows a viscerally negative reaction to playing poorly. To me, it shows that his heart isn't merely concerned with the wealth and fame, which means a lot to me as a fan of basketball. He seems to truly want to play to his potential. At the age of 19, I personally think that shows emotional maturity.

To be honest, it's hard to put in to words what I saw versus what I read and view about Wiseman, but I think Wiseman shows unreal poise as a 19 year old given the circumstances. .

I say all of this just to state from my prospective why I am truly optimistic about Wiseman.

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Thanks for sharing that and that's pretty awesome!. It does give me a different perspective. But maturity is not cover all/fit all. One can have mature emotions when it comes to financies but not in another facet of life. area. The context for my comment was how he responds to pressure (self or others) when expectation perceived by him are not met.

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Apr 3, 2021Liked by punk basketball

I don't think Wiseman's main problem is a lack of maturity. He's surely overwhelmed and frustrated; for the first time he's playing against the best players in the world, and he can't get by just by being tall and athletic and having some raw skills. Yes, he smacked a water cooler once. But for the most part I think he has handled it pretty well emotionally.

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Twice actually (two different games weeks apart). And I just listened to Kerr postgame. And he said the same thing - that they are telling him to stick to simple things, pare it down to basics and build on that. Now it's possible that his emotions are getting better of him because he is not able to do that but my armchair analysis says that he is frustrated because he not able to succeed to the level of a #2 pick.

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Apr 3, 2021Liked by punk basketball

It's pretty clear the coaching staff is telling Wiseman to focus on rolling to the rim and sticking to the dunkers spot, considering how they've basically eliminated 3pt opportunities for Wiseman.

However, there's a chicken and egg thing going on, imo. Wiseman is trying to roll all the time, and yet last night Wiseman had *one* shot attempt as the roll man out of the PnR. In the GDT commented that in 3 consecutive plays, I thought Wiseman had an open lane on the roll on the first two plays and the last one he was open under the rim with a smaller guy on him, and on the first two, Mannion passes it strongside to Poole for contested 3s and on the 3rd one Mannion skip passes to Mulder in the weakside corner for a contested 3. Warriors were down 60, it's not like they were a few quick 3 pointers away from making it a game.

So how much is Wiseman not executing on the roll, and how much is the team just not good at finding him? I'm not a fan of the recent development of Wiseman slipping all of his screens, and there's still more than a few times that Wiseman rolls after the pick and ends up clogging the lane when the ball handler drives into the paint.

However, that starting lineup (most of the lineup, really) with Oubre and Draymond isn't exactly spreading the floor for the pick and roll action, and many times when Wiseman does get open, the ball doesn't get to him, or doesn't get to him in time, and I've seen that happen even with Curry and Dray on the floor.

Thus, we end up with last night where Wiseman get's one lone FGA as the roll man, and many times this season where it feels like the only time they can actually find shot attempts for Wiseman is by forcing postups for him.

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Listening to Kerr recently, he was extremely exasperated talking about how they go over these things in practice. It was specifically in regards to fouling and working the motion offense, but I wonder if it applies here too:

>  how much is Wiseman not executing on the roll

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Apr 3, 2021Liked by punk basketball

More rambling thoughts:

Maybe trying to simplify it that much for Wiseman is actually detrimental? Or at the very least Wiseman is taking it too literally, like the coaching staff is telling him to keep it simple and roll all the time, but really that means roll as the 1st option, but peel out when necessary.

I think in the Heat game, there was a play with a Curry-Wiseman PnR at the arc, and Wiseman rolled, but Curry also attacked the rim, and because Wiseman is basically rolling everytime no matter what happens around him, he clogged up the paint for Curry. If Wiseman instead popped out to the strong side corner, either Curry gets a little wider lane or it should be an easy pass and wide open short corner 3pt attempt for Wiseman.

Mind you, not advocating to let WIseman do whatever he wants, he should still have a no-go on step back jumpers and like a 3-dribbles or less rule, but if this year is about development, then get Wiseman experience reading the defense, not just doing the same thing over and over (ie: roll to the dunkers spot) no matter what else is going on and hope it works.

If the ball handler drives and he's strong side, he needs to know he can peel off a little bit to open the lane and maybe get an open shot attempt, or just in general throw in more pick and pop to break up the predictability of him rolling all the time.

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Apr 3, 2021Liked by punk basketball

Completely unrelated - that is a beautiful dog in your profile pic

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Thanks, he was the real Attila, that was his call name, a Hungarian Kuvasz. He passed almost 3 years ago but I have a young male and a female of the same breed. This profile pic is actually my business logo (White Dog Communications), and he is "speaking" into a vintage RCA 44 ribbon microphone, which you can see better in the full size logo.

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That is one heck of a gif you found for the article picture

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Google is a powerful tool, my friend

And wait... we doing dog profile pics? I'm in!!

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What identity is Kerr talking about? This is a losing team, for 2 years running. I'm not making it up. Curry identity? Dray identity? Those seem personal and unachievable for many players who don't have the skillset and understanding of the game. Identity of the past glory, 3 rings? How can those players identify with that when they've had little to do with it? These are just sound bites. Kerr will never tell anyone what he is really thinking. Rightly so. To JW: kid, you really stink. Poole: You have no leadership ability. To Oubre: We love you but I think you're a goner next season. To Lacob: How can you saddle me with such players and expect us to win?

Get rid of Kerr? I don't support that and I can't see that happening. The only thing I can see happening is upgrading the current roster slowly. I don't think there is a quick rebuild to be had given the situation the Warriors find themselves in. It's harder to bear because of the greatness and still potent Curry. But even Curry is not superhuman.

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Tanking

is a Front Office thing, but in any event Kerr is not really the best coach for a bunch of undisciplined young guys. He is, and always has been, a ’player’s coach,’ which is great when you have a veteran group. Lot’s of music at practice, relaxed tone, etc. How long would Pop put up with Dray’s ‘shit’ as Kerr called it? Not long. I’m not saying Kerr can’t develop talent, but it’s hard for ANY teacher/coach to go from extremely lax ‘one of the guys’ to what the Athletic Alchemy guy called a ‘coachy coach.’

Just a tough situation for him. Plus, not easy to ‘tank’ when you have an all time great player with a legacy to think about.

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I'm not sure why you mentioned tanking. I wasn't implying that they were trying to tank or even think that it is a conscious thought for the team. Dray is the only player that will not put full effort out every game and he's admitted to that, too. But, how does a coach develop talent during the season? I can see some suggestions at practice, but the season itself, is a time to put what one has learned into effect. Poole came back the same player as year 1 until they dumped him into the gleague again. JW has been on his own with only Dray in his ear which doesn't seem to have done much, so far. And yes, Curry is not one for tanking. Not in the DNA.

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yeah sorry didn't mean to reply directly to your comment. I read the comments about 'kerr is tanking' and conflated that with 'getting rid of kerr.' I think that would be nuts.

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>>> Kerr is not really the best coach for a bunch of undisciplined young guys.

Whole heatedly agree. He can use a "Situational Leadership" refresher.

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Apr 3, 2021Liked by punk basketball

I remember a few years ago, Kerr sat the rested the whole starting five against a then powerhouse Spurs.

They didn't lose nearly this badly.

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I vaguely remember Kerr doing that but not who we had on the bench at the time.

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Ian Clark had something like 30 points. Also, tonight's game wasn't just bench players. 3 of 5 starters played.

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ehh... I think Wiseman instead of Looney makes that starters number a little deceptive. Wiseman is definitely not starter level on any team in the NBA, right now. Loon is much more of a starter, and even Loon probably should be the backup big on a playoff team.

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Apr 3, 2021Liked by punk basketball

I could not remember what season that happened. If it was 2017-18, the bench included Igoudala, Livingston, David West, JaVale, Kevon, and Casspi. Those guys (or most of them anyway) could have started for several good teams.

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Damn we so need to get back to that! Watching this game, my original idea of Run It Back With Klay #RIBWiK died a painful death. This is not a bench that can win a championship and JW is worth hanging onto, but not ready yet.

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They were on a team with a winning identity. These guys are young, unproven and not battle tested. Folded like a cheap suit as expected in the face of adversity

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‘As expected’ - yeah I should have expected this, but I’m an optimist so naturally got emotionally invested in the group and overlooked the lack of experience/depth. Glad I don’t run a FO!

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and yes that most definitely includes Oubre and Wiggins

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Apr 3, 2021Liked by punk basketball

Should have came here. We have plenty of center minutes

https://twitter.com/jovanbuha/status/1378206255706112001?s=20

Marc Gasol: “It’s a hard pill to swallow because I know I’m going to be out of the lineup at some point.”

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Even harder to swallow because he signed a two-year deal so the Warriors have no shot at him.

Maybe he retires after this season and goes to play for Real Madrid or Barcelona or something.

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Ah well, going to the Lakers seemed like a good idea at the time. Actually it WAS a good idea for him at the time.

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My one observation is that some players seem to have misinterpreted the ball movement idea. If they are standing at the 3pt line and the defender is sagging off 5 or 6 feet, then that is a pretty good shot and they should take it shot. It doesn't make much sense to try to pass or take the ball into traffic. That's the one thing that Wiggins seem to improve at post all star break.

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Wiggins up, Oubre down.

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Had to step away after first quarter. Thankfully looks like I didn't missed anything

Oubre played only 18 mins - Kerr's decision or is he hurt?

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He sucks

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Apr 3, 2021Liked by punk basketball

Taking our lumps. I remember the game where KD asked to come out of the game because the other team sucked so bad. Welp... that has been us recently. If we can stay together we will come out of this a better team. If fingers start pointing we’re in big trouble.

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Apr 3, 2021Liked by punk basketball

Jessup come on down! Let's give you a proper NBA introduction. I get we always want to make the playoffs but unless this WHOLE team miraculously finds the sneakers from Like Mike in the next week or two they're going to absolutely get sacrificed alive by whoever they draw (if they're lucky enough to win the play in games) whether its LAC/LAL/Denver/Utah

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#negativenancy

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There is a possibility that we won't have the worst blowout game of the night. PHX up 30 over Thunder at the end of the 1st.

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Apr 3, 2021Liked by punk basketball

To make this loss even worse, raptors were 1-13 in their last 14 games with losses against pistons (x3), rockets (broke their 20 game losing streak), and thunder (without 4 starters)

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Thunder didn't want to win that game and still did.

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I would give up Wiseman for any lotto pick next year. Close to losing all hope with him.

I hope people now realize the absolute carry job that Steph is doing this year. This is a top 5-10 guy at his peak (or close to it at least). And that we need to swing a big trade if we want to be real contenders next year, especially with the Nets possessing Harden, Durant and Irving while the Lakers have LeBron and AD.

Or we could get 2 top 5 picks and everything will be okay lol.

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Wiseman's doing fine for a 19 year old rookie center in the NBA. Playing a teenager as a "big man" is never going to look pretty. Heck even Anthony Davis's per-36 rookie stats are hardly any different from Wiseman's, and Davis came in to the league with a full season of college ball all the way to the NCAA championship.

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Let us quash this fiction right here. He is not doing fine for a rookie center right now. I'll compare him with 4 players right now.

James Wiseman: ORTG = 98, DRTG = 110, BPM = -5.8, RAPTOR = -8.7, on-off per 100 = -13.3

Anthony Davis: ORTG = 113, DRTG = 104, BPM = 2.5, Can't find rookie year RAPTOR (not recorded probably), on-off = -1.2

Kevin Garnett: ORTG = 107, DRTG = 107, BPM = 1, Can't find rookie year RAPTOR (not recorded probably), on-off = +15

Marvin Bagley: ORTG = 111, DRTG = 110, BPM = -1, RAPTOR = -2.9, on-off per 100 = -3.6

Jahlil Okafor: ORTG = 99, DRTG = 110, BPM = -2.3, RAPTOR = -3.9, on-off per 100 = -9.4

He's substantially worse than each of those guys, from MVPs to complete busts. In fact, according to RAPTOR, he's the worst rookie big playing substantial minutes (at least 500 minutes) since 2013-14 (ever since they started recording the stat). If you expand it to all positions, he's the 5th worst.

He is having a historically bad rookie season for anyone. It's 2021, please stop looking at PTS and REBS.

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Damn this is rough. My eye already saw this but these stats somehow make it worse, yikes

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Before researching this, even I didn't think it was this bad lol.

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We have the picks and the Max slot of wiggins. Its up to our GM to use them or not. We have great assets. We can even have a great team without trading wiggins. But our GM pick a center at the 2 for "the fit" lol.

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Apr 3, 2021Liked by punk basketball

Steph’s a top 1 guy at his peak (or 1a-1b with LeBron). Unless you mean close to top 10 all time?

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Top 5 all time peak imo. He's still the 1a or 1b guy in the league for me (with Harden being the other). I'm the biggest Steph fan there ever has been lol.

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Hate to break it to you, but a team with $80 mm invested in Klay, Dray & Wigs isn't going to be "real contenders". Th die was cast when the Dubs re-upped with Dray. That only made sense in a universe where the team retains KD. They didn't, and now they've dug themselves a massive salary cap hole that can only be rectified with rookie-scale contracts.

You're pissed off because you haven't accepted reality.

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Dray’s contract does not affect their salary cap situation. Neither does Wiggins’. The Ws are well over the cap with or without those guys.

They sure showed how much they don’t need Draymond tonight, tho.

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People keep on blaming Draymond even when his impact on the team is as tangible as Steph's lol.

Also lol at blaming the Wiggins contract (or the D'Lo contract) which was kept for the sole purpose of preserving a fourth max salary slot. That contract is the only reason we can still trade for a star and compete. Regardless of whether or not we signed those guys, we would still be basically over the cap.

Salary cap is ~110 million, and Steph and Klay make a bit less than 80 million together. We do not have a max slot outside of trades, with or without Draymond and Wiggins/D'Lo.

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It's going to be a slow rebuild. Wiggins has turned a corner but the rest of the team has lagged far behind. Even with Draymond, they are no longer a top team.

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Can we expect 2 lotto picks to come in and be dependable immediately? Maybe I'm just scarred from wiseman lol

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Think Donovan Mitchell, Simmons, even LaMelo. Guards and creators can be impactful a lot sooner (and longer) than bigs.

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2 top 5 picks in this draft would put most players in the league not already on contenders in reach

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Thank you for not being our GM

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Apr 3, 2021Liked by punk basketball

(a) He is 20 and has played 35 games in the NBA. I don't think we can keep pointing to him missing 20-30 college games anymore.

(b) We don't have 2-3 years anyhow.

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Rec.

You're exactly right. He's essentially starting his rookie year right now.

Cousins, Davis, Jokic were all kinda still human during their rookie years (but better than this). I figure if he's not good by the middle of next year, he's not gonna be.

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Remember how Steph look after the all star break in his rookie year?

Hell even in his Klaynk phase, Klay was showing elite outside shooting.

I'm worried. Wiseman has zero base strength though, so maybe that's a lot of the problem idk

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I hear you! I’m hoping we keep him and see what he can become. As for everyone else not named Wiseman, Curry, Green & Thompson, FO got to get creative. Must start looking at quality vets

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If that ends up meaning 2-3 years to just learn to guard the rim as well as any other big who sticks in the NBA, he probably can't get that much time on this team, right?

Can you imagine 2 more years of Steph and Klay watching while Draymond shakes his head at Wiseman not going for the rebound while player after player goes to the rim, misses their layup, gets their own rebound and putback?

I feel like he's probably gotta play above this level next year or something happens.

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If he doesn’t play above this level next year nothing will change for the better. There won’t be trade value and the FO will either admit they blew the timeline, keep insisting it’s a minutes issue, or blame the coaches and blow everything up to build properly around their C.

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