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I don’t fear OKC in the playoffs, tbh…

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Well, they certainly don't fear us ...

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Neither did Memphis, or Houston, or even the Kings…

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I don't think any team actually fears us now. Not to say they don't respect us, as long as we have Steph and Dray, but fear... not now. Nor should they.

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OT: To take your mind off last night’s loss, here’s a new video from the Animal Shelter where I volunteer testing whether our seven adorable pigs like pumpkins: https://youtu.be/0r70EOQ7-Mo?si=2PJ2hK39SCIsgwYN

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Hey goofus, are these the same sun species as the wild boar that roam the jungles of Haleakala?

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I believe all five of the black ones were found as orphaned feral pigs, yes. The two light ones were pets whose owners couldn’t keep after losing their homes.

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That's what it looked like. cool!

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I'm unreasonably invested in ur videos bro.

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Just don’t let it slip into irrational good feelings 😁

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Watching Jalen Williams kill us with the midrange in these last 2 games especially in crunch time gave me flashbacks of the old Warriors getting worked by Kobe. Helpless. Decent defense. Just nothing you can do.

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What's funny is the Warriors should be on a 6 game win streak and undefeated since Draymond got back and 13-9 overall. I think what's happening right now is pretty fluky but there will be plenty of time to find out.

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When it happens six times in a row, we ought to ask if that's a fluke or there's something more intrinsic to how this team plays that needs to be corrected.

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It didn't happen six times in a row, just three in the last six. And CP3, the guy who is crucial to the current set up of the roster to take some responsibility off of Curry so he doesn't fade late in games, missed all of them.

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The fact that we're even up double digit in most of the games says a lot. We have enough firepower. It's the closing out the game part that we still need to work on. I think Steve was getting a good idea of his mostly finalized rotation for this year and then the Draymond suspension/CP3 injury/GP2 injury/Pod'z emergence shook things up

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Dec 9, 2023·edited Dec 9, 2023

For the Warrior offense to work, they need either:

a) Curry to have the energy to deal with relentless blitzing and ball denial all game

b) A bonafide threat to take advantage of Curry dealing with all of that pressure

They had been going with (a) early in the season by leaning on the team depth to limit minutes and giving CP3/Draymond a lot of the playmaking responsibility. You'll see a lot of people calling for (b) and making a trade as well, which I'm not opposed to either. But lately they haven't been doing (a) or (b) with all of the CP3/Draymond absences, Curry's been taking on too much pressure and the team has faded in the second halves as a result. Joseph and Podz just can't really create offense the way CP3 can, and going small to get ballhandlers on the floor to compensate for Draymond out makes Curry have to work more defensively.

I still think (a) will start happening again though if the team can ever have all of their players around and get into a rhythm.

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Dec 9, 2023·edited Dec 9, 2023

This is the one weakness of the 'trade CP3 + assets to bring back a shot-creating wing' idea. I like Cojo as a third PG, but not really as our second PG.

I think we'd probably have to make some other move to backfill behind CP3 in that case (and it's unlikely we could get someone of the caliber we really need).

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The trend seems to support one hypothesis

- vets are generally good in first half. They are better than good in first half after few days rest (the portland game being an exception and as per Belilaugh, maybe due to post-clippers night life)

- Vets are bad in 3rd and 4 th quarters. Something seems to take away their BBIQ. The only thing I can think off is that it is fatigue setting in.

Again, only way I see us getting to the play-ins is if the vet minutes a reduced even more in first half, so that Steph especially and maybe Dray play a bit longer in the 4th. Seems like the perfect time for Kerr to increase young guys playing times

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If only we had young guys capable of eating some of those minutes and keeping us in the game. Wait...

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Watched the recorded game after getting home late. Still setting records, I see.

Despite the boneheaded ugliness, I smell progress. OKC is very good, fully healthy, and nearly lost at home. I imagine we’d be rolling our eyes at the turnovers and feeling much better had Draymond just gone for the tackle instead of the ball.

This team still has all the pieces to compete, if not dominate. Small ball is team ball - and the team machine hasn’t yet clicked into place. The rust is slowly coming off. They won’t hang their heads. They are smart and well coached. They are still experimenting. They will figure it out.

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Thanks for the upbeat take. I want to believe. But these guys are wearing me out with their inability to hold a lead late. Any team could lose a game in that situation. But it is happening with too much regularity for my taste...

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Can we give some serious credit to Brandin Podziemski whose just been a revelation this year as a rookie?

Not only has he provided a scoring punch with 7 ppg in 19 mpg (admittedly at slightly below average efficiency) but he's also been an excellent rebounder for his position (12.3 TRB%), a very solid defender, and an effective passer (17 AST% despite limited touches) who just consistently makes the right play.

Altogether, this has manifested itself in an OnCourt plus minus of +7.9 and an On-Off plus minus of +10.4.

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Warrior for Life please

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“The only frustration with that is will this guy (Barkley) ever give us any credit?” Thompson said. “You know how hard this is to do? Annually? You’d think Charles would understand how hard it is to win a championship. To do that annually? And we’re still here. What are we — 10 and 12?"

from https://theathletic.com/5123838/2023/12/09/warriors-lose-to-thunder/

Oh goodie, Klay is back to complaining about complainers instead of just taking the L. I am this close to just generally wanting him gone just to shake everyone in the org awake. In a way, Klay (despite being the least relevant starter in that run) is the personification of the self-satisfied malaise that gripped this org ever since the 2022 title.

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Warrior for life imo

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I really wish Bob had given the finger salute to Chuck - I mean the 4-finger-type you know, in retort to chuck saying this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/warriors/comments/18dgeyb/barkley_congratulations_myers_for_jumping_off_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

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Ew… I don’t like this take at all.

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Klay’s right. Charles has been vocally anti-warriors for their entire existence. Predicts their downfall whenever he gets the chance, and revels in it whenever he feels like he might be right (then shrinks away from it when he talks to draymond).

And he’s right that 10-12 is a fine place to be in. It’s not ideal, but one small streak of wins and all of a sudden we’re a top team again.

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>Charles has been vocally anti-warriors for their entire existence. Predicts their downfall whenever he gets the chance, and revels in it whenever he feels like he might be right (then shrinks away from it when he talks to draymond).

Indeed. The Warriors could win the next seven titles in a row and Charles would claim the 60s Celtics would sweep them because they're too small, Erneh. The fact that Klay actually reacts to a man of questionable basketball knowledge and not in a "oh, that silly Charles" way shows that Klay is too busy worrying about his ego instead of the difficult situation this team finds himself in, thereby proving my point.

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He was asked a question about it and gave a response? Idk, I can imagine him saying that without it being connected to his cringy response when he feels inadequate

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I like this take

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Team is missing DDD as much s we are, I fear 😢

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I think I can explain what’s happening here - JP stole the BBIQ of the vets and drowned it in the Potomac - that’s it

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It's possible because he certainly didn't keep it for himself and use it.

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If only we had his steadying presence to bring the turnovers down!

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and the 20 missing points every night - oh wait, we go up nearly 20 every game - so thats not it either

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With our defensive problems, we really miss JP's lock-down, reliable defense. Hey, I couldn't get past him on the perimeter, and neither could my 92-year-old mother.

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The latest and greatest starting lineup idea: Saric, Green, Moody, Podz, Curry. More confident outside shooters, better handles, less hesitation shooting, more hustle play, less turnovers. Defense might be a tad weaker, but way better odds defending against turnover, right?

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Question: If Myers drafts Halliburton in 2021, does Myers still leave his gig?

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Dec 9, 2023·edited Dec 9, 2023

Lots of alternate “if X drafts Haliburton” universes. Charlotte, Chicago, Cleveland, Atlanta, Dallas (who apparently tried to trade up for him), Detroit, New York, Washington, Phoenix, San Antonio. And of course Sacramento — who got to observe him on and off court got 1.5 seasons, and where he was reportedly ecstatic to be a “King for life.”

On GS … we were apparently super high on him. I’d be curious to know which voices in the room wanted him and which pushed for JDub.

One lesson of the Podz pick is that if you really like someone, you should just grab him, and not GAF if anyone thinks he’s a “reach” for your draft slot.

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Don’t really answer the question… Myers’ started rain for leaving OSS he didn’t want to make some hard decisions and convos wrt to the vets. does having a clear successor to there next generation make those conversations easier?

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Answer to the specific question is “IDK!”

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That pass Steph threw in OT on the fast break cross court was the worst turnover of the game. I really want to know what goes through his head when he does things like that.

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He was late seeing Klay ahead on the break and still tried the pass

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And Draymond threw one away late in the game that was horrible too, went clear out of bounds.

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I know we're not supposed to whine about refs, but I'm gonna, anyway. Specifically if the amount of contact that caused a foul on Shai also caused one on Steph, Warriors would have won in spite of everything else they did poorly. Generally, if the warriors played intense pressure defense the way OKC did, they'd call a bunch of fouls on the W's and OKC would have been in the penalty 3 minutes into each quarter.

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Dec 9, 2023·edited Dec 9, 2023

Maybe. I listened to the first quarter and maybe a third of the second quarter on radio (stuck in horrible traffic on I-80E) and saw the rest on TV. I didn't have screaming objections to the fouls we were called for (that I saw on TV), though I might have questioned a few. If we weren't turning the ball over approximately every 90 seconds, the refs' calls wouldn't have mattered.

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If you look at the turnover report linked by ServantOfLuna below, AT LEAST 4, arguably 6, of the turnovers were due to obvious bad calls. It's a hard argument to make that this swung a 2-pt game when at least 20 TO were completely unforced.

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There were in fact quite a few "turnovers" where OKC grabbed wrists, forearms, gang tackled players to the floor, kicked them in the ribs and hit them with pipes and bricks, etc. . . And Steph was basically mugged without the ball for the whole game, to the extent that Dort was understandably confused when they called him once for doing it.

With that said, GS should still close this out. I get players getting old and their brains thinking they can do stuff they can no longer do physically, but that's not what's going on here. The fails here are things they can all still do, and just aren't focused on doing.

There also aren't a lot of historical precedents for what happens to communication when your three top players play together as long as these have (see Chicago for a pretty bad one) - I doubt they are having the same discussions with each other they had when they were in year three. They are clearly friends and are comfortable together, but they are also clearly not as engaged in the larger game together, or as worried about accountability to each other. It might pay to put Steph, Klay and Dray in a room by themselves for 4 hours and say "this is on you, solve it."

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Yeah, I was mostly venting. No doubt the team has to play better.

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Yup, or how to defend a 3pt lead in the closing seconds.

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Every team goes through injuries. But the way this team is constructed, there are some pieces for which truly there is no backup - Curry, Dray and GP2 - you need all three to be playing their needed minutes. There is nobody on this team who can mimic what GP2 brings.

There is only one loss where all three played their full minutes. SAC game changed when Gary went out.

That's the story that I am sticking with as to why we are where we are.

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Well, this goes for all teams. Just like how there is no backup to Steph, Dray, and GP2 (Steph sets the bar so high I don't think anyone can truly be worthy of being called a Steph backup), I don't think Denver has a Murray and Jokic backup, or the Sixers have an Embiid and Maxey backup etc. They're key pieces for a reason.

However, if this team is truly as deep as we say they are, they should have enough to hold down the fort until they recover, and they have proven that they are a deep team. It's not like we've been going down double digits every game. They've taken double digit leads going into halftime multiple times. The issue in these losses has been energy and execution, especially in the second half.

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Dec 9, 2023·edited Dec 9, 2023

Don't look now, but we're now 26th in the league in turnovers and averaging 15.9 turnovers per game after tonight's game. Our average turnover/game has went from 14 in the first ten games or so of the season to 15.9. Our opponent turnovers/game has fallen to 23th in the league as well (13 opponent turnovers/game). We used to average around 15 opponent turnovers/game early in the season, which was top 10 in the league. But the team has forgot to play defense in the past several games.

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TJD needs playing time. He moves his feet and protects the rim. He’s the type of player this team needs out there to get stops.

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My bro, our rim protection is fine (at least according to the stats). Its our ability to generate/score easy points at the rim which is hampering our offense.

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Our rim protection is not fine, we over help with small guards due to having no rim protection

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I'm not really seeing this tbh, do u have any evidence to this effect?

Our rim protection numbers are bang average (around 16th).

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If the team is selling out defensively to protect the rim and giving up other shots, it could register this way statistically. For instance, if they are switching because they don’t have good rim protecting bigs, then Steph gets ISO’s by bigger guys who can shoot short midrange shots over him. If, however, they could play a drop and have a credible roll helper, you could defend that action a little better.

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Dec 9, 2023·edited Dec 9, 2023

According to the 2021-2022 season, Warriors forced 14.5 turnovers/game, which was 8th in the league.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/highest-opponent-turnovers-per-game-by-team-2022

However, Warriors averaged 14.9 turnovers/game, which was 2nd worst in the league back then.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/highest-turnovers-per-game-by-team-2022

So the Warriors are definitely worse than they were couple of seasons ago in terms of turnovers. CP3 did mitigate the turnovers a bit, but the team looks wild without him.

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You need to adjust for pace (i.e. per possession, not per game) for turnovers to be meaningful.

They’re actually just mid-pack this season in pace (#14) so their per game ranking is likely similar to their per possession ranking. But if you’re comparing previous in which they at the top of the league in pace, it should be noted.

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What's been our Ave T/O rate each year since Steph?

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2009-10: 1.53

2010-11: 1.54

2011-12: 1.61

2012-13: 1.49

2013-14: 1.5

2014-15: 1.9

2015-16: 1.91

2016-17: 2.06

2017-18: 1.9

2018-19: 2.06

2019-20: 1.72

2020-21: 1.84

2021-22: 1.83

2023-24: 1.75

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=what+is+the+warriors+assist%2F+turnover+ratio+since+2010

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Ahhh! Ast/TO rate, so higher is better. Seems like that 5 year run to The Finals was peak Kerrball. How much the league has progressed and we have regressed is a mute point. It's how do we adapt and evolve...

"It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the minutes" - Harry Too Trueman.

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Except for during the game and few hours after the game, I am still basking in the aura of championship from a 1.5 years. So many teams go through years and years of drought even though they are great at times during those years.

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I liken the 22' Chip to that of The Rumble in the Jungle in terms of two Dynasties (Ali & Warriors) who blasted onto the scene as underdogs, built legitimate claims as G.O.A.T's only to lose their crown and work their way back to World Champs as underdogs again. I'm just holding out for our Thriller in Manilla to cap it all off...

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