DRTG = staring lineup w/ Klay is 5.7 better than w/Podz.
ORTG = starting lineup w/ Podz is ridiculously 16.8 pts better than w/ Klay.
What does that mean for playoffs where defense wins the games, assuming we get to playoffs?
Both line ups played about similar minutes.
All things being equal, the Klay lineup has higher ceiling because Klay's offense can be better especially in playoffs which don't have B2B. I don't think Podz can get better defensively.
Irrespective, good news is that Kerr will have option to close with two of Podz, CP3, Klay, Wiggs, Moody depending on how Klay and Wiggs are playing.
If we’re talkin’ playoffs, then experience gap between Klay and Podz would be worth mentioning and that could scarcely be greater. I already know what Klay does in tight playoff situations, and it’s tremendous . I don’t know what Podz does. Could be really good, could be not. I’m actually one who thinks that playoff experience tends to be a bit exaggerated in importance, but it’s certainly a factor to consider
I mean, a ten-game sample of ORTG and DRTG has basically no predictive value, so it’s sort of a pointless discussion anyway. And “Klay is awesome at D and terrible at O whereas Podz is awesome at O and terrible at D” should be an absurd premise on its face. (For one thing, rebounding is part of defense…)
And I kinda thought this site was above unexamined old saws like “defense wins championships.” IF you got to choose between a 16.8 point improvement in ORTG and a 5.7 improvement in DRTG … that shouldn’t be a difficult choice, lol.
But yeah, all that aside: I don’t know why Klay — who has not scored over league average efficiency in the regular season or playoffs since before the two injuries — should be expected to improve his O more than Podz at 20 should be expected to improve his D. Just growing naturally from 20 to 21 you gain man strength which is helpful on D. And just cos Podz is a precocious genius at “seeing the patterns” on both ends of the floor doesn’t mean he won’t continue to get even smarter.
In terms of compete level and hoops IQ, there’s a whole lot of Draymond in young Podz, imo.
1. A sample that small of ORTG and DRTG splits for two players likely means close to nothing.
2. Defense wins games in the playoffs … along with offense. Neither is significantly more important than the other.
3. (insert Jim Mora meme)
But I totally agree, we got options! Seems like the core four of Steoh-JK-Wiggs-Dray is now well established. Mix and match the others based on matchup, feel, etc.
On a related note, has anyone noticed that this team when/if fully healthy is probably better than the ‘22 vintage in aggregate talent? Unless someone wants to argue this year’s Kuminga, Podz, Saric and CP3 are not better than OPJ, Bjelica, and ‘22 Poole?
Before the season, I made the argument they’d be better on a player-by-player comparison. Two things happened:
A) Wiggins, Looney and Klay played below expectations
B) Kuminga, Podz and TJD played way, WAY above expectations
If Wiggins and Looney round into expected level of performance, this team is definitely better, along with the caveat of young guys being an unknown under the bright lights of the…PLAYOFFS?!
As well as two playable guys who started in the G-league this season and are going to be on the main roster in a couple of weeks.
A 6'8" energizer bunny with good D and great rebounding.
A 6'4" guy with 6'10" reach who plays D, and sometimes looks like he couldn't play in high school, but lately has been looking like a very reasonable perimeter defense option at the 1 or 2.
It's a fair point. I think Gui's going to crack the rotation in some circumstances. Like if we play Sac. He'd be perfect to play against them.
I realize this is a bit naive, but I think Kerr is starting to see that all these guys bring something. I'm wondering if he's going to go with a set 9 man rotation.
Plus, I think the likelihood of having our top 9 guys all available is very low. When was the last time Paul made it through a playoff run? And, you can't expect GPII to play for more than a series or two (assuming we actually get anywhere in the playoffs).
As I understand it: as long as the player’s previous salary was under $12.4M, they’re good. So like. Gallo would be fine but, say, Dinwiddie would not.
Checking stats and noticed that over the past 10 games, the Warriors lineup with Steph, Podz, Wiggs, Kuminga and Dray is the best in the NBA by +/-. I knew they were playing well, but didn’t think that lineup would be #1 given the 6-4 record. Pretty impressive! The 10 games also matches Dray’s return. It will be interesting to see what the bench looks like when GP2 and CP3 return.
Totally forgot Javonte Green was on Santa Cruz. Sounds like he's finally back from the injury that knocked him out of the NBA, he's my prediction for who gets the 15th spot.
Why would we need him in SF? He's 6'4" and his NBA numbers don't look impressive but I don't remember his game. We already have enough guys that size who are probably a lot better.
It has to be factored in that the Warriors are in 11th place and have zero minutes of playing time to offer, so most of these buyout guys like Gallinari likely won't even be looking their way. It's likely that the Warriors are picking their 15th man from the G-League. Green is an NBA vet with a bit of playoff experience who could play in a pinch which is a lot more than you could expect from a good amount of the G-League guys.
Also keep in mind that whoever they sign to the 15th spot is probably getting signed to a deal that gives the Warriors the option for keeping them next season as well like they did with GP2 or JTA. It's a set up move as much as a current season move and we don't know what the roster will look like next season.
Although now that I write that last point, maybe Green thinks he'll have more suitors given his past NBA success once he proves that he's healthy, so maybe he wouldn't sign a deal like that. Or maybe he's not going to recover from his injury since athleticism was a big part of his game. I certainly can't speak to either of those possibilities, I just saw he put up 21 points in one of his first games back in the G-League while on a minutes restriction and it reminded me that the Warriors brought him in to Santa Cruz to rehab.
You mean the part about young players needing to learn and master their role? Interesting, I hadn't thought about that as referring to Poole but yeah, that makes sense.
I still don’t know what happened to Poole. Starting for us he was way better than what’s happening there. I don’t think it’s entirely him just being bad.
Well and good but he is playing immature, foolish basketball in D.C. He could be a good solid player and make the best of a bad situation on a bad team but he's not doing it.
It's time he grew up and acted like a man. He has it way better than most and is financially set for life. If he wants to waste his talent feeling sorry for himself, so be it, but I don't feel a bit sorry for him.
Honestly, I don't think you know what's going on in his head at all. Poole is not a role player. He is a creator. When allowed to be himself, as he was when he was with us, his best emerged. The only problem I see is his shooting. He's struggled his whole NBA career with his shot. Whether he forces it, or shoots unwisely, he is more important as a creator/ball handler. We all saw his crazy plays at the basket. Genius and humor. The sooner he realizes his shot is still a liability, the focus of his game will change and his 'role' will develop from that. Even his D will come around. He needs freedom like JK and the Podz.
Remember earlier in the season when every team was hitting every open shot against us even the bums. That’s what happens when you start the game soft without setting a tone and letting NBA players get into rhythm. We’ve been doing a much better job recently of making opponents earn their looks from deep.
Last 10 games,
DRTG = staring lineup w/ Klay is 5.7 better than w/Podz.
ORTG = starting lineup w/ Podz is ridiculously 16.8 pts better than w/ Klay.
What does that mean for playoffs where defense wins the games, assuming we get to playoffs?
Both line ups played about similar minutes.
All things being equal, the Klay lineup has higher ceiling because Klay's offense can be better especially in playoffs which don't have B2B. I don't think Podz can get better defensively.
Irrespective, good news is that Kerr will have option to close with two of Podz, CP3, Klay, Wiggs, Moody depending on how Klay and Wiggs are playing.
If we’re talkin’ playoffs, then experience gap between Klay and Podz would be worth mentioning and that could scarcely be greater. I already know what Klay does in tight playoff situations, and it’s tremendous . I don’t know what Podz does. Could be really good, could be not. I’m actually one who thinks that playoff experience tends to be a bit exaggerated in importance, but it’s certainly a factor to consider
>>> I don't think Podz can get better defensively.
Pick a response:
A) You don’t think a 20-year-old NBA rookie can improve?
B) Did you see him stand up Miles Turner in the post in the last game?
Turned him into Miles Standish, he did.
I mean, a ten-game sample of ORTG and DRTG has basically no predictive value, so it’s sort of a pointless discussion anyway. And “Klay is awesome at D and terrible at O whereas Podz is awesome at O and terrible at D” should be an absurd premise on its face. (For one thing, rebounding is part of defense…)
And I kinda thought this site was above unexamined old saws like “defense wins championships.” IF you got to choose between a 16.8 point improvement in ORTG and a 5.7 improvement in DRTG … that shouldn’t be a difficult choice, lol.
But yeah, all that aside: I don’t know why Klay — who has not scored over league average efficiency in the regular season or playoffs since before the two injuries — should be expected to improve his O more than Podz at 20 should be expected to improve his D. Just growing naturally from 20 to 21 you gain man strength which is helpful on D. And just cos Podz is a precocious genius at “seeing the patterns” on both ends of the floor doesn’t mean he won’t continue to get even smarter.
In terms of compete level and hoops IQ, there’s a whole lot of Draymond in young Podz, imo.
1. A sample that small of ORTG and DRTG splits for two players likely means close to nothing.
2. Defense wins games in the playoffs … along with offense. Neither is significantly more important than the other.
3. (insert Jim Mora meme)
But I totally agree, we got options! Seems like the core four of Steoh-JK-Wiggs-Dray is now well established. Mix and match the others based on matchup, feel, etc.
On a related note, has anyone noticed that this team when/if fully healthy is probably better than the ‘22 vintage in aggregate talent? Unless someone wants to argue this year’s Kuminga, Podz, Saric and CP3 are not better than OPJ, Bjelica, and ‘22 Poole?
Before the season, I made the argument they’d be better on a player-by-player comparison. Two things happened:
A) Wiggins, Looney and Klay played below expectations
B) Kuminga, Podz and TJD played way, WAY above expectations
If Wiggins and Looney round into expected level of performance, this team is definitely better, along with the caveat of young guys being an unknown under the bright lights of the…PLAYOFFS?!
As well as two playable guys who started in the G-league this season and are going to be on the main roster in a couple of weeks.
A 6'8" energizer bunny with good D and great rebounding.
A 6'4" guy with 6'10" reach who plays D, and sometimes looks like he couldn't play in high school, but lately has been looking like a very reasonable perimeter defense option at the 1 or 2.
Yeah, great development. I left them off because I don’t see them as part of any playoff rotation. (Even TJD would be a question mark.)
It's a fair point. I think Gui's going to crack the rotation in some circumstances. Like if we play Sac. He'd be perfect to play against them.
I realize this is a bit naive, but I think Kerr is starting to see that all these guys bring something. I'm wondering if he's going to go with a set 9 man rotation.
Plus, I think the likelihood of having our top 9 guys all available is very low. When was the last time Paul made it through a playoff run? And, you can't expect GPII to play for more than a series or two (assuming we actually get anywhere in the playoffs).
Buy out market. I believe since the Dubs are over the second apron, they can’t sign buyouts players that were bought out from non minimum contracts.
As per Athletic, spotrac and another site, it is a new penalty for being over the first apron.
That distinction is irrelevant for us.
As I understand it: as long as the player’s previous salary was under $12.4M, they’re good. So like. Gallo would be fine but, say, Dinwiddie would not.
Gallo waived. I ain't kidding anymore. Let's pick him, for a ten-day at least. Let's Steph, CP, Lester taste his screens.
Checking stats and noticed that over the past 10 games, the Warriors lineup with Steph, Podz, Wiggs, Kuminga and Dray is the best in the NBA by +/-. I knew they were playing well, but didn’t think that lineup would be #1 given the 6-4 record. Pretty impressive! The 10 games also matches Dray’s return. It will be interesting to see what the bench looks like when GP2 and CP3 return.
I think replacing Klay with Moody or Podz is very beneficial
See my comment above. W/ Podz, offensively yes but not so defensively. Not enough minutes with Moody to say anything stats wise
Welp. We got no help from the Pelicans and the short-handed Nuggets tonight.
Yeh but we got help from the lakers. Only 4.5 games behind the pels now
Oh dear. Rui, DLo, and Reaves each have over 20 points against the Pels tonight.
Lakers ain't quitting.............
All five starters with 20 or more for the Lakers tonight
Totally forgot Javonte Green was on Santa Cruz. Sounds like he's finally back from the injury that knocked him out of the NBA, he's my prediction for who gets the 15th spot.
Why would we need him in SF? He's 6'4" and his NBA numbers don't look impressive but I don't remember his game. We already have enough guys that size who are probably a lot better.
He's 6'5 as far as I know, also when he was healthy in the NBA last season he was good. For example:
https://snipboard.io/Y4ocPM.jpg
It has to be factored in that the Warriors are in 11th place and have zero minutes of playing time to offer, so most of these buyout guys like Gallinari likely won't even be looking their way. It's likely that the Warriors are picking their 15th man from the G-League. Green is an NBA vet with a bit of playoff experience who could play in a pinch which is a lot more than you could expect from a good amount of the G-League guys.
Also keep in mind that whoever they sign to the 15th spot is probably getting signed to a deal that gives the Warriors the option for keeping them next season as well like they did with GP2 or JTA. It's a set up move as much as a current season move and we don't know what the roster will look like next season.
Although now that I write that last point, maybe Green thinks he'll have more suitors given his past NBA success once he proves that he's healthy, so maybe he wouldn't sign a deal like that. Or maybe he's not going to recover from his injury since athleticism was a big part of his game. I certainly can't speak to either of those possibilities, I just saw he put up 21 points in one of his first games back in the G-League while on a minutes restriction and it reminded me that the Warriors brought him in to Santa Cruz to rehab.
Pat Bev Bucks 1-0
84 points allowed/game
Lakers vs. Pelicans in a nutshell: defense? What defense?
161 points combined ... In the first half!
Lakers with 51 point in the second quarter; they scored 33 in the first six minutes of the quarter
I just realized that Denver's MPJ and KCP are not playing tonight.
What about FBI or KFC?
WTF?
OPJ.
Down. As long as Celebrini works his magic.
Yeah, you know me.
Is it true that MDJ offered Moody and picks including a 1st for Caruso and the Bulls asked for Kuminga?
If so wow the Bulls are interesting, and i love MDJ’s player choices 😍
There was extensive talk about this on the light years pod. They believed it was a leak from within MDJ’s org, and possibly a purposeful leak.
Regardless, it sounds like the bulls are insane, and that MDJ knows who he wants to target, but it’ll have to be in the off-season.
It’s been reported that the bulls asked for Kuminga, but I haven’t heard any reporting on what we offered.
Thanasis has got to be the only guy in the league that has a job because of his brother. There's no way this dude is a legit NBA player
Now that Robin Lopez has been traded and cut
Robin was at least a solid player at one point. Thanasis had no business being in the big league at any point.
Hawks only beat the Maxey-less and Embiid-less Sixers by 6. I guess they are the worst team in the league
Raptors beat the Rockets 107-104. Houston is now 5-19 on the road.
More importantly, 23-28 overall, or two games back of the Warriors.
Draymond Green takes a massive shot at Poole in his latest podcast although he never mentions Poole by name, but it's very obvious
https://youtu.be/Z4kOim0JxAk?t=1702
Goes until like 30:10
lol yeah that was veiled with Saran Wrap
You mean the part about young players needing to learn and master their role? Interesting, I hadn't thought about that as referring to Poole but yeah, that makes sense.
I still don’t know what happened to Poole. Starting for us he was way better than what’s happening there. I don’t think it’s entirely him just being bad.
He probably benefited from our system and Steph and/or Klays gravity. Washington does a whole lot of standing around for the most part
Well and good but he is playing immature, foolish basketball in D.C. He could be a good solid player and make the best of a bad situation on a bad team but he's not doing it.
In his feelings, I suspect
It's time he grew up and acted like a man. He has it way better than most and is financially set for life. If he wants to waste his talent feeling sorry for himself, so be it, but I don't feel a bit sorry for him.
Honestly, I don't think you know what's going on in his head at all. Poole is not a role player. He is a creator. When allowed to be himself, as he was when he was with us, his best emerged. The only problem I see is his shooting. He's struggled his whole NBA career with his shot. Whether he forces it, or shoots unwisely, he is more important as a creator/ball handler. We all saw his crazy plays at the basket. Genius and humor. The sooner he realizes his shot is still a liability, the focus of his game will change and his 'role' will develop from that. Even his D will come around. He needs freedom like JK and the Podz.
But… he was a 25ppg scorer for a month with Steph out…
Remember earlier in the season when every team was hitting every open shot against us even the bums. That’s what happens when you start the game soft without setting a tone and letting NBA players get into rhythm. We’ve been doing a much better job recently of making opponents earn their looks from deep.
JK, the Podz, and Draymond's alter ego, have helped this a lot.