How much is Mike Browns post game interview gonna cost him?
I like this.
In MY perfect world maybe the NBA gets out of bed with all the online betting as a result of the increasing pissed offedness of the coaches at crap officiating. (Not happening)
StatMuse’s numbers are just the raw cumulative on-court results from this season to date. The ESPN number you’re citing is “RPM” — their proprietary adjusted plus-minus metric that accounts for priors, quality of floormates, box score stats, etc etc. (and is per 100 possessions).
RPM is an attempt at a player “rating,” however flawed. Raw cumulative plus/minus is not that. It’s just what has happened to scoreboard this season to date with that player and nine other players on the floor.
Just watched the first (so far). Snuffing out Durant/Westbrick OKC and basically condemning the franchise to purgatory until, who knows, maybe this year? After 2016 OKC got bounced 4 years running in the playoffs first round, then haven’t made the playoffs since then.
Rather take 2OT (against the team that played last night) than a buzzer beater from a killer shooter. Obviously don't want to give up an easy 2 but you could make two guys force someone else to beat you (and not every team has a Draymond that dices up the 4 on 3)
I'm guessing the shot Dame took had about a 25% chance of success, meaning that you'll win the game 75% of the time and lose 25% of the time. If you put 2-3 guys on Dame, Bucks might have a 70% chance to tie with an easy two, and if you assume each team has an equal probability of winning in the 2nd OT period, that means you lose 35% of the time and win 35% of the time. By this logic, it's better to let Dame shoot and take your chances.
I think "Dame Time" is overhyped. In Portland, he made a lot of big shots, but he always had the ball in his hands and he missed a lot too. Too bad the Kings couldn't put Andre on him for a patented end-of-game strip.
Truth is, he's shooting 3s at 35% this year, and the one he made to beat the Kings was much tougher than average.
Do you think they would've let Steph shoot that shot or would they have "made someone else beat you"? That was kinda my point, I don't think the kings let Steph take that shot
Giannis’ poor FT shooting is occasionally fairly problematic. Two missed FTs in the last 11 seconds just now with the the Kings intentionally fouling (9-14 for the game) and we have overtime.
Very OT, but I always feel like the world is a slightly better place when the Cowboys lose and I don't even watch much football. Next time somebody wants to call themselves "America's team" they should get the issue on the ballot in all 50 states.
Add to it, that two of the biggest assholes I had to interact with in college were diehard cowboys fan and dolphins fan. 25 years later when I hear about those teams losing I secretly grin knowing those two guys had a bad day.
Well, then this should be an awesome world because the Cowboys got their rear ends handed to them. They got beaten so badly that the PTSD may last into the next generation of fans.
That said, the Cowboys didn't call themselves 'America's Team.' That was Bob Ryan and NFL Films.
Where I disagree with is when you blame the young guys who have actually been playing very competently and act as if the vets are playing great. The vets problem is not Podz, JK, Moody, TJD.
The vets problem is in the mirror when they look straight ahead.
I'm sorry, I think you are arguing against nobody. I have seen nobody arguing that the young guys were playing poorly or saying they were the problem. I'm sure there are exceptions, but the majority opinion was down on Wiggs, Klay and a fair amount on Loon. Trades need to include value so people proposing trades are including the young guys precisely because they are looking good.
That’s fine but the post was directed to the person who said the young guys need to be traded to bring a level of competency to the team.
My opinion is that the trio of Steph, Klay and Draymond has always been surrounded by very good players and one superstar in KD. In 2022 Steph was awesome, Klay was no where close to elite and DG was even benched in the playoffs. My point is to think that bringing in LM or Siakm and losing all there best young guys is somehow enough to win a title this year is fantasy. In 2022 they had an explosive scorer in Poole, playoff Wigs who was their second best player,A very good and perfect fit Otto Porter and a healthy GP.
They also went against a level of competition due to injuries that was well below what they face today.
The trio is quite a bit below their prime and they need a STRONGER supporting cast than they did in the past to have any chance at all. The league is also the deepest and strongest it has ever been and much more adapted to defending the Warriors system as well. Remember when they had a big advantage shooting 3’s and revolutionized the game? Well the game has been revolutionized and their advantage is gone except for occasional hot nights.
Almost every team is a threat any night to go off from 3. That was not the case back when they began their run.
Myself and most people are too impatient with these young guys.
A lot of fans who don’t understand the game don’t realize how difficult it is.
JK in a time not that long ago would be playing right now at Kentucky or somewhere.
He is 21 years old, had what I believe inferior coaching in his high school years.
Because he is blessed with elite athletic ability, he has to guard superstars, veteran superstars and learn how to do that while also learning the complex team defensive schemes and rules.
He also has to learn to play in the Curry system which is probably the toughest to learn in the NBA.
On top of that he has to learn and develop a wide range of skills and fundamentals that he did not learn when he was younger which includes his outside shooting, ball handling, footwork, mid range skills and split second decision making. All playing on a veteran team whose only goal is a title.
Anyone here feel up to being in his shoes?
He has shown tremendous improvement the past few months and I think he is just one of those guys that needs to play without looking over his shoulder. He is very confident, very motivated and will grow leaps and bounds if you make him a key guy who plays big minutes EVERY game and believes you believe in him.
He is at that point right now. I don’t think he was ready for that last year, but they need to buy in 100 pct right now.
Podz against Milwaukee was unbelievable. The 3’s he made over Lillard and GA were a statement.
The guy is fearless and should be a junior at Santa Clara. Very rare intangibles for this kid.
I think he is going to be a special player.
These ridiculous trade suggestions about throwing him in a trade with multiple others and picks for Laurie M are just that, ridiculous.
I believe JK and Podz are the future of the Warriors. When Curry, Klay and Green are gone they can add in some great free agents to combine with just entering their prime JK and Podz.
I think TJD has a chance to be really good but he will need to become a shooter, which is possible.
Look at B Lopez and other non shooting bigs who developed into 3 point shooters.
If I was the Warriors organization I would have him live with the best shooting coach they can hire as soon as this season is over.
Lauri is 26 and about to make his second all-star game. The hope with Kuminga and Podz is that they might some day make an all-star game. Odds are they never do. Trading them for a young All-star is not a ridiculous suggestion at all, especially given the context that we are trying to win a championship right now, not 4 years from now.
Most of the trades I have seen have been 4 or 5 guys plus picks for a guy who is a good player but no way an elite difference maker.
People are too in love with and fantasize about the past when Steph, Klay and DG were in their prime.
Well I have news for you, even in their primes years ago, they were surrounded with a lot of very good and great players which included KD for 3 seasons.
Steph, Klay and DG need a lot more than Lauri M to be a serious team at this stage of their careers.
I am not a big plus minus guy but the 5 worst plus minus guys this year are Curry, Klay, DG ,Looney and Wiggins.
The best? CP and Podz. Podz is over 100 pts higher than any of the vet starting 5.
I certainly do not share your pessimism on Steph Klay and Dray. Steph was in MVP talks the first 10+ games of the season. Klay has been great after his slow start. Dray has barely had a chance to play this season.
This team isn’t as far from a championship as you think, especially with CP3 coming off the bench.
“Klay has been great after his slow start” is not a sentiment I share. I’d go with a combination of “Klay has been great in games after he was benched and/or lectured by his coach” and “when Klay is bad he significantly hurts the team’s chances to win by taking tons of selfish and ill-advised shots while not really trying on defense.”
I’m not saying he’s washed or that they should trade him or anything (lord knows they need his shooting) but I’m not bought in on Klay just needed a tune up and now he’s back.
If he's still such a great shooter, his value would be high in trading him either to a contender who could send back assets that have high ceilings or solid fundamental games. Or, to a team like Atlanta where there are rumors of trading Murray and Capela.
Sure, it's possible that Steph's current slump has been caused by age and his body's inability to recover as quickly, but he also had a really long slump in 2021-22 but of course was legendary in the playoffs, and then last year he had another MVP-type season. So did his prime just abruptly end this season? Are we sure this current slump isn't just another temporary skid caused by a variety of factors? Perhaps partly by age but also by everything else going on with the team?
The burden of proof that they are likely to be an all-star is on you. The baseline assumption of any player is that they will never be one of the 24/450 players to make it. You’re the one without a leg to stand on without any evidence to back up your assumption. If there is any projection out there that says we have all-stars show it, otherwise step off.
The impatience isn't unwarranted. We're watching to see our team compete for the championship. We're not watching to see young players stumble through the season learning how to screen and how to rotate on defense. How much better would the product be if players knew the concepts before coming into the league?
I think it is maybe just a little ridiculous to consider trading two pf our best young guys (could probably throw moody in also), seeing that they (young future stars), in this very moment, play better than two of our “vets” (wiggs and klay)…
As far as I know, the whole Markkanan trade idea is just a media rumor, and there could be nothing to it. I haven't seen anything to indicate Utah really wants to trade him. They've been playing well lately, so why would they blow it up? His deal is partially guaranteed for next season, so they can keep him for another year and then try to re-sign him.
I'm sure he'll get a warm welcome from the fans in Memphis!
Not sure who they even have to put on the floor at this point, maybe JJJ is back but Bane sounded like a longer term injury, Smart, Ja, Adams, and Clarke are all still out. One would think that is an ideal ramp-up game, playing against a few second stringers and g-league level players.
How much is Mike Browns post game interview gonna cost him?
I like this.
In MY perfect world maybe the NBA gets out of bed with all the online betting as a result of the increasing pissed offedness of the coaches at crap officiating. (Not happening)
Or they just send him a tape of Sabonis throwing elbows into players' bodies and then flopping all season.
Warrior players ESPN combined +/- stats. StatMuse +/- stats.
Curry +5.64 SM -49
Moody +2.25 SM -6
Saric+1.61 SM +38
CP3 +0.47. SM +85
Green +0.36. SM -47
GP2 +0.08. SM +28
Looney -0.43 SM -67
Klay -1.01. SM -54
Podz-1.03. SM +71
Kuminga. -1.24 SM +15
TDJ -1.38 SM +40
CoJo -2.79 SM
Wiggs -3.91. SM -189
SM Saric, CP3, and duh duh duh dud duh …..TJD!
Podz! SM +71
Saric really stands out here with positive positives in both measures. Nice work MDJ 👌🏽
I agree. Saric, or a similar player, fit the Kerr system.
Why are they so different?
I'm assuming the Espn stats are a combined offensive and defensive +-, where as the Statmuse stats are probably just defensive.
Both are offense + defense.
StatMuse’s numbers are just the raw cumulative on-court results from this season to date. The ESPN number you’re citing is “RPM” — their proprietary adjusted plus-minus metric that accounts for priors, quality of floormates, box score stats, etc etc. (and is per 100 possessions).
which do you prefer?
Apples and oranges.
RPM is an attempt at a player “rating,” however flawed. Raw cumulative plus/minus is not that. It’s just what has happened to scoreboard this season to date with that player and nine other players on the floor.
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Just watched the first (so far). Snuffing out Durant/Westbrick OKC and basically condemning the franchise to purgatory until, who knows, maybe this year? After 2016 OKC got bounced 4 years running in the playoffs first round, then haven’t made the playoffs since then.
Soo happy for detroit - they have BIG wise and now the Lions have WON a playoff game.
In all honesty, along with Steph Curry, one of my GOAT players was Barry Sanders! Very Happy for Detroit, especially since they beat an LA team!
Interesting, Sac has 15 game losing streak to the Bucks, so Fox has never beaten them.
That's a long streak. What are the other longest active steaks?
Huge buzzer beater for Lillard to win in OT. Sac must be deflated after that big Q4 comeback to tie, then to be iced by Lillard. Wow indeed!
Malik Monk 0/2 FTs and Fox 1/2 FTs in the final seconds of OT. Lillard with the game-winning three. Wow.
With Bucks missing Middleton and only getting 10m from Jackson…
Grr, why did he take tonight off????
Knee management
He owned us yesterday. It’s like they know what they’re doing over there in Milwaukee.
Thank you Bucks - for taking care of the Kings in overtime 143-142 !
first person to hug dame - Giannis !
Yeah, he went full Draymond there, had a few players holding him back.
Everybody knows you never go full Dretard.
with about 9:30 left in the 4th
https://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=39310738
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1746729090206380432
Grizzlies say Desmond Bane has a Grade 3 left ankle sprain and will be re-evaluated in six weeks.
People were worried since we were going to have to play the ja grizzlies 4 times but now we’re going to get an weaker team than before ja came back
oh boy - bad luck following this team around like a "black cat crossed the road"!
Brutal
One of the NBA’s many mysteries: De’Aaron Fox being lights out from mid-range but just .735 career from the stripe. Bit the Kings in the a** tonight.
Wow didn't know he was that bad for his career
well sometimes stats outfox our basic sensibilities :-)
Wow…
Monk and Fox brick 3 of 4 FTs in OT with the game basically over, and Dame wins it with a 3 at the buzzer.
Unbelievable that they didn't force someone other than Dame to take the shot. They would've had three guys preventing a Steph shot in that situation
They only needed a two to tie it - collapsing on Dame could give them an easy dunk
Rather take 2OT (against the team that played last night) than a buzzer beater from a killer shooter. Obviously don't want to give up an easy 2 but you could make two guys force someone else to beat you (and not every team has a Draymond that dices up the 4 on 3)
I'm guessing the shot Dame took had about a 25% chance of success, meaning that you'll win the game 75% of the time and lose 25% of the time. If you put 2-3 guys on Dame, Bucks might have a 70% chance to tie with an easy two, and if you assume each team has an equal probability of winning in the 2nd OT period, that means you lose 35% of the time and win 35% of the time. By this logic, it's better to let Dame shoot and take your chances.
I think "Dame Time" is overhyped. In Portland, he made a lot of big shots, but he always had the ball in his hands and he missed a lot too. Too bad the Kings couldn't put Andre on him for a patented end-of-game strip.
Truth is, he's shooting 3s at 35% this year, and the one he made to beat the Kings was much tougher than average.
Do you think they would've let Steph shoot that shot or would they have "made someone else beat you"? That was kinda my point, I don't think the kings let Steph take that shot
Giannis’ poor FT shooting is occasionally fairly problematic. Two missed FTs in the last 11 seconds just now with the the Kings intentionally fouling (9-14 for the game) and we have overtime.
#StephBetter
He only missed one of four down the stretch of the 4th.
Very OT, but I always feel like the world is a slightly better place when the Cowboys lose and I don't even watch much football. Next time somebody wants to call themselves "America's team" they should get the issue on the ballot in all 50 states.
I was going to post that - next to the flakers losing a big game ,its the cowboys that I really love to see getting beat down.
That being said =- the young packers are what I would like the warriors to be !
Yup. Thats me too.
Add to it, that two of the biggest assholes I had to interact with in college were diehard cowboys fan and dolphins fan. 25 years later when I hear about those teams losing I secretly grin knowing those two guys had a bad day.
Maybe its time to let go of it 😅
Nah
Well, then this should be an awesome world because the Cowboys got their rear ends handed to them. They got beaten so badly that the PTSD may last into the next generation of fans.
That said, the Cowboys didn't call themselves 'America's Team.' That was Bob Ryan and NFL Films.
You maybe right but I remember Tricky Dick Nixon calling Dallas "America's Team."
It was a classic front runner move and he got booed for it.
Of course they need to be competent.
Where I disagree with is when you blame the young guys who have actually been playing very competently and act as if the vets are playing great. The vets problem is not Podz, JK, Moody, TJD.
The vets problem is in the mirror when they look straight ahead.
I'm sorry, I think you are arguing against nobody. I have seen nobody arguing that the young guys were playing poorly or saying they were the problem. I'm sure there are exceptions, but the majority opinion was down on Wiggs, Klay and a fair amount on Loon. Trades need to include value so people proposing trades are including the young guys precisely because they are looking good.
That’s fine but the post was directed to the person who said the young guys need to be traded to bring a level of competency to the team.
My opinion is that the trio of Steph, Klay and Draymond has always been surrounded by very good players and one superstar in KD. In 2022 Steph was awesome, Klay was no where close to elite and DG was even benched in the playoffs. My point is to think that bringing in LM or Siakm and losing all there best young guys is somehow enough to win a title this year is fantasy. In 2022 they had an explosive scorer in Poole, playoff Wigs who was their second best player,A very good and perfect fit Otto Porter and a healthy GP.
They also went against a level of competition due to injuries that was well below what they face today.
The trio is quite a bit below their prime and they need a STRONGER supporting cast than they did in the past to have any chance at all. The league is also the deepest and strongest it has ever been and much more adapted to defending the Warriors system as well. Remember when they had a big advantage shooting 3’s and revolutionized the game? Well the game has been revolutionized and their advantage is gone except for occasional hot nights.
Almost every team is a threat any night to go off from 3. That was not the case back when they began their run.
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Just made a comment about the repeated reply-fails, then realized it had already been pointed out (and apologized for). No need to pile on.
You might want to look into using the “Reply” feature if you choose to…ya know…reply to someone.
Sorry.
I am old.😊
Myself and most people are too impatient with these young guys.
A lot of fans who don’t understand the game don’t realize how difficult it is.
JK in a time not that long ago would be playing right now at Kentucky or somewhere.
He is 21 years old, had what I believe inferior coaching in his high school years.
Because he is blessed with elite athletic ability, he has to guard superstars, veteran superstars and learn how to do that while also learning the complex team defensive schemes and rules.
He also has to learn to play in the Curry system which is probably the toughest to learn in the NBA.
On top of that he has to learn and develop a wide range of skills and fundamentals that he did not learn when he was younger which includes his outside shooting, ball handling, footwork, mid range skills and split second decision making. All playing on a veteran team whose only goal is a title.
Anyone here feel up to being in his shoes?
He has shown tremendous improvement the past few months and I think he is just one of those guys that needs to play without looking over his shoulder. He is very confident, very motivated and will grow leaps and bounds if you make him a key guy who plays big minutes EVERY game and believes you believe in him.
He is at that point right now. I don’t think he was ready for that last year, but they need to buy in 100 pct right now.
Podz against Milwaukee was unbelievable. The 3’s he made over Lillard and GA were a statement.
The guy is fearless and should be a junior at Santa Clara. Very rare intangibles for this kid.
I think he is going to be a special player.
These ridiculous trade suggestions about throwing him in a trade with multiple others and picks for Laurie M are just that, ridiculous.
I believe JK and Podz are the future of the Warriors. When Curry, Klay and Green are gone they can add in some great free agents to combine with just entering their prime JK and Podz.
I think TJD has a chance to be really good but he will need to become a shooter, which is possible.
Look at B Lopez and other non shooting bigs who developed into 3 point shooters.
If I was the Warriors organization I would have him live with the best shooting coach they can hire as soon as this season is over.
Lauri is 26 and about to make his second all-star game. The hope with Kuminga and Podz is that they might some day make an all-star game. Odds are they never do. Trading them for a young All-star is not a ridiculous suggestion at all, especially given the context that we are trying to win a championship right now, not 4 years from now.
Most of the trades I have seen have been 4 or 5 guys plus picks for a guy who is a good player but no way an elite difference maker.
People are too in love with and fantasize about the past when Steph, Klay and DG were in their prime.
Well I have news for you, even in their primes years ago, they were surrounded with a lot of very good and great players which included KD for 3 seasons.
Steph, Klay and DG need a lot more than Lauri M to be a serious team at this stage of their careers.
I am not a big plus minus guy but the 5 worst plus minus guys this year are Curry, Klay, DG ,Looney and Wiggins.
The best? CP and Podz. Podz is over 100 pts higher than any of the vet starting 5.
I certainly do not share your pessimism on Steph Klay and Dray. Steph was in MVP talks the first 10+ games of the season. Klay has been great after his slow start. Dray has barely had a chance to play this season.
This team isn’t as far from a championship as you think, especially with CP3 coming off the bench.
Curry had a hot start.Ten games in October/Nov do not make a season. How about his last 23 games?
Klay has not been great.He has been shooting better but has not been playing great.There is more to it than making some 3’s.
DG has a losing record in the games he has played in.
Almost every game they all played in was close. That showed they are a competitive team, not a championship contender.
I believe they had one win that was not a really close game and that was vs New Orleans missing key guys.
“Klay has been great after his slow start” is not a sentiment I share. I’d go with a combination of “Klay has been great in games after he was benched and/or lectured by his coach” and “when Klay is bad he significantly hurts the team’s chances to win by taking tons of selfish and ill-advised shots while not really trying on defense.”
I’m not saying he’s washed or that they should trade him or anything (lord knows they need his shooting) but I’m not bought in on Klay just needed a tune up and now he’s back.
If he's still such a great shooter, his value would be high in trading him either to a contender who could send back assets that have high ceilings or solid fundamental games. Or, to a team like Atlanta where there are rumors of trading Murray and Capela.
Sure, it's possible that Steph's current slump has been caused by age and his body's inability to recover as quickly, but he also had a really long slump in 2021-22 but of course was legendary in the playoffs, and then last year he had another MVP-type season. So did his prime just abruptly end this season? Are we sure this current slump isn't just another temporary skid caused by a variety of factors? Perhaps partly by age but also by everything else going on with the team?
The burden of proof that they are likely to be an all-star is on you. The baseline assumption of any player is that they will never be one of the 24/450 players to make it. You’re the one without a leg to stand on without any evidence to back up your assumption. If there is any projection out there that says we have all-stars show it, otherwise step off.
The impatience isn't unwarranted. We're watching to see our team compete for the championship. We're not watching to see young players stumble through the season learning how to screen and how to rotate on defense. How much better would the product be if players knew the concepts before coming into the league?
Competing for the championship? This season?
Until they are mathematically eliminated, that is what I am watching for.
I don't expect anything from the Pistons because I don't root for their team.
The problem with your post is that the cherished vets are the ones getting killed on defense, turning the ball over and playing mediocre basketball.
Excuses are everywhere for the vets when they continue to underperform.
The truth is Steph has more “off” nights now and is getting pummeled on defense.
Klay is no longer an all star and DG is tbd.
Wigs is just a mystery man.
Looney has not been as effective as the league has become even more athletic and longer.
So your agreeing with me that the product would be better if everyone had a baseline of competency which includes both vets and young players.
I think it is maybe just a little ridiculous to consider trading two pf our best young guys (could probably throw moody in also), seeing that they (young future stars), in this very moment, play better than two of our “vets” (wiggs and klay)…
As far as I know, the whole Markkanan trade idea is just a media rumor, and there could be nothing to it. I haven't seen anything to indicate Utah really wants to trade him. They've been playing well lately, so why would they blow it up? His deal is partially guaranteed for next season, so they can keep him for another year and then try to re-sign him.
If you make a deal with Danny Ainge, you'll get burned
My point is that our 4 young guys are as good as and maybe better than 3 pf our vet “starters”. So podz, jk, moody, tjd > klay , wiggs, looney
Why would trade them away, if we’re than left with agin crumbeling dudes?
Draymond playing on Monday
I'm sure he'll get a warm welcome from the fans in Memphis!
Not sure who they even have to put on the floor at this point, maybe JJJ is back but Bane sounded like a longer term injury, Smart, Ja, Adams, and Clarke are all still out. One would think that is an ideal ramp-up game, playing against a few second stringers and g-league level players.
Just so it's not a trap game. But I think our guys know they can't afford to let up.
One game at a time bro, one game at a time. Dray is the king of SA (Suspension Anonymous). 12 step it.
F yeah!
It’s MLK. Big day for the NBA.
LOL