Good one. Would love that. I'd imagine he could get more than we can offer, but at his age you never know. Maybe he wants to play with Steph. Ditto Brook Lopez.
Correct me if I’m wrong. This off season, we won’t have the BAE or Non tax payer mle to use because itll hard cap us to the first apron. We could potentially have the tax payer mle to use but it hard caps us at the second apron. But I’m going to assume that we won’t be able to use that unless we’re able to resign all 3 of GP2, Looney, Jk under $30 mil total. That allow us a wiggle room of just enough to use that taxpayer mle and be hard capped at the 2nd apron while filling out the roster.
That way we can use the tax payer mle to try to get Melton or someone that fills a need. It works but it restricts our flexibility for the season.
If we don’t use that option, we can just forget about the aprons and balloon our payroll way past it.
Example:
1. Trade Moody, TJD, and draft picks for Cam Johnson.
2. Bird’s right resign GP2, Looney
3. Match any offers JK gets in the open market.
4. Use Vet Min and 2nd(draft an older player) to fill a need. We still need a back up point and center.
5. Keep JK at trade deadline or trade him with draft picks for Wiggins. Make necessary trades with contracts we have now accumulated to patch up holes.
For example, by the trade deadline you have contracts like GP2, Looney, Hield, and Vet Min players to trade around with, maybe you can get a decent center or back up point this way.
We’ll be way past the second apron for the next two years but we’ll be right out of it once Jimmy, Curry, and Green’s contract ends.
Hypothetical Roster(Switch it around how you see fit):
1. Steph, (Wiggins or JK), Johnson, Butler, Center(Vet Min)
2. Podz, Hield, GP2, Green, Post
3. Back Up Point(Vet Min), Santos, 2nd Rd Pick, Looney
4. We always like to keep the 15th Roster spot empty for a potential candidate in the buyout market.
Small Ball Line Up: Steph, Wiggins, Johnson, Butler, Green
I've said it before but when other GMs look at Looney they see an undersized big that can't shoot. That works for the Warriors as they primarily need him to screen and rebound but most teams are going to want more than that. JaVale McGee couldn't even get a vet min and he has size over Looney.
This. They wouldn't be the first players to go from $9M/yr to vet min. We love 'em, but they're specialist role players who are good for 15 minutes/gm with us and maybe not that with other teams. GP2 also is on the wrong side of 30 and injury-prone.
JaVale is a bad comp though. He couldn't get a vet min because he's 37 and washed. Loon is 29.
Hakeem, Duncan, Kobe, Steph, and... after that it's tough.
Stockton would give you two small point guards, tough defensively, but awesome playmaking so Steph could play off the ball.
Dirk and Duncan play the same position, though Dirk gives you spacing. If you had them both, defending the 3 would be an issue. Still it would be tempting, and you'd have unbelievable size.
Reggie gives you shooting and length but Steph would have to be the main playmaker, though Kobe could help with that. I'd be tempted to go that route.
I guess Steph, Kobe, Reggie, Hakeem, Duncan just in terms of raw aggregate talent?
But I'd probably replace one of Duncan/Hakeem with Dirk for better modern-day floor spacing. And if we're talking about the team I'd most enjoy watching and rooting for, I'd replace Kobe with Manu, cos they'd play a more fun brand of bball and Steph would get the ball more.
I see a lot of people wanting to sign and trade jk for Cam, to my understanding that is not possible unless we extend jk first and trade him 6 months later. Same thing with getting Wiggins back
yup, i think we’re just going to do fringe moves this off season to build up our cupboard then make more meaningful trades closer to the trade deadline. We don’t have much we can even trade beside hield, moody, podz, and, tjd. Only ones out of that group with a decently useful contract AAV to trade is moody and that’s not really going to make a difference.
As it stands we don’t have much AAV contracts to trade besides Jimmy(hard to trade), Green(I think easier to trade but Steph might not like that), Buddy(I think we should keep cuz he’s good value for how much he costs), and Moody(most likely trade candidate), TJD(could be salary filler but he’s under a good value contract also), Podz(pay is too low and is on rookie scale, I’d try to keep him for now at least).
If we strike out on Giannis:
What I suspect we’re going to do is something similar to what we did this year. We will bird’s right resign (looney and gp2), match JK’s offer sheet to any team, and sign free agents(most likely vet mins) we can with whatever vehicle we can do so with. Try to get some development and good play from our young guys and free agents signings then try to see what we can trade for closer to the 2026 trade deadline. At that point we’ll have the additional contracts of Looney, GP2, JK, and free agents we can make a trade bundle with, along with all the draft picks n pick swaps we can throw in.
By the trade deadline: If JK takes a big jump he might still be on the team going forward and become our main player post-Steph. If he is just good enough but doesn’t contribute to our win-now approach then we will try to see what we can get for him. I don’t mind a reunion with Wiggins or a team up with Cam Johnson at that point, who knows who would be available at that time, are healthy and have been having a good year or bad year statistically. Too much to speculate so I’ll just sit and wait to see what surprises are in store for us.
My understanding is you can aggregate salaries in a S&T so they could add someone else to match the salary as long as Brooklyn has the cap room to absorb all of it. Definitely makes it harder though.
This one I'm not too sure on. Maybe we can if we're not over the 2nd apron after obtaining the player back, in this case Cam. But need someone that knows the rules more to confirm
I can't help but wonder what these 'offs woulda looked like if the Dubs had won ONE MORE regular season game, gotten the sixth seed & LA to start the playoffs, skipped the Memphis play-in. Maybe the hammy doesn't strain. Maybe Jimmy doesn't get tackled.
Coulda shoulda woulda.
2-8 was only separated by four games. 3-5 were tied/tiebreakers. 6-8 had one game of separation.
League is wide open with a bunch of young-guns coming up.
Once you get into alternate realities anything could happen. JB and Steph could both break legs, while Draymond punches out a ref and Podz and Buddy get COVID, all in the first half of game 1. Or not. There's no point in going there.
You can take solace in the fact that the hammy still might've been injured in the second round, but instead of eliminating the rockets it could've been them eliminating us (without Steph). That would've been awful.
And look where the "vaunted" top 3 teams are... Cavs out (dealt with injuries), Celtics down 3-2 (dealing with injuries), and Thunder heading into a Game 7 against the 4 seed. These teams are also not that much better... wide open, as you said.
Some really unexpected moments from post-season interviews with various Warriors players and staff. I lost the links but *trust me* this is stuff that they said.
Steve Kerr: "Sometimes in the middle of the game I'll look over at the guys on the deep bench like a DNP guy like Moody or Kuminga and I swear to you I'll forget their name, or what position they play. It's this really weird thing -- do you ever have that? Like you know you know the name, you know the guy, he's probably on the team, but you just blank it out completely. Super weird. Play with joy everyone."
Joe Lacob: "I have too much money. I'm going to be giving it all away to charity. It's just gross for one person to have so much when others have so little."
Mike Dunleavy: "Whenever I hear Bob Myers announcing games, it's like nails on the chalkboard for me. I don't know why. It's not other announcers. It's just him. Something about him, I don't know what it is *cough Wiseman* but Bob is a really great guy and it's just a me thing."
Jonathan Kuminga: "Physical exertion can be quite taxing. Basketball takes a real toll on the body. So I'm always happier to just sit on the bench for a whole game. I get rest and relaxation, I still get paid the same, and I have time to meal plan. At halftime I often find coupons for whatever I've chosen to cook."
Steph Curry: "If you had to carry fourteen other players, a coaching staff, ownership, and millions of fans with you everywhere you went, your hamstring might tear a bit, too."
Quinten Post: "Literally not just on the bench but during the game, all I think about is lacrosse. I'm not even kidding you. What a sport."
Jimmy Butler: "I don't even like DC comics. That whole Batman/Robin thing was very embarrassing, makes me think of myself in green tights. I regret many life choices but that was the very worst."
Draymond Green: "I have done some deep hard thinking about the type of person I want to be on the court, and it is with a sense of peace that I am announcing my retirement to Sivananda Yoga Vedanta Dhanwantari Ashram in Kerala, India. To the players, staff, to opponents like Dillon Brooks and Rudy Gobert, I want to say, 'Namaste'"
Buddy Hield: "It's over? I thought it was a seven game series -- you're saying... what? Huh. Never knew that."
Can no longer trade for (if we even wanted to in the first place): Al Horford, Torrey Craig, Luke Cornet (UFA)
Can trade for in theory, but probably not practice: Derrick White (too good, other team won't trade), Payton Pritchard, Sam Hauser (signed extensions within the last year, probably won't be traded)
ALL IN(TM) blockbuster trades: Jrue Holiday (has a $37 mil player option in 2027; has had some injuries; is 34 already; Dubs would have to hope he doesn't decline rapidly over the next 2 years; might cost a lot more to trade for than Porzingis; was a proven elite defender, but for how much longer?); Kristaps Porizingis (Celtics seem to win without him quite a bit, injury-prone, contract expires in a year)
Maybe?: Neemias Queta (rim protector, cheap contract, still fairly young, maybe too cheap for Boston to let go of?), Xavier Tillman (slightly different player, but Boston has no real incentive to trade him, like Queta), Baylor Scheierman (older rookie, big like Klay, shoots . . . well not that well on average - but it looks like he's a steaky shooter who can get hot. late 1st-rounder last year)
Ex-Warriors and/or DNHQ obsessions: Tillman? (not really an obsession, but has defenitely been mentioned over the years (in both draft and trade/sign suggestion threads)
Galaxy Brain Kerr: Celtics are breaking up! Buy low on Tatum or get Jaylen Brown!
Maybe not necessarily Holiday, but our big acquisitions almost have to be old by default, because we probably don't have the assets to go get younger stars. It's the bench and depth players that need to be young to compensate (IMO).
Edit: which is why it's possible Butler was our last "big trade" salary-wise as we focus on getting more shooting, rim protection, etc
Not about "what could have been" but the injury made me think how much worse it's going to be to watch basketball when Steph retires. I'm sure it's not an original thought for anyone watching the series, and it's not something I want to muse about. But since Steph joined the team, through all the injuries, eventually blossoming, and then legendary status, I am truly thankful to have the chance to watch him and root for him every season. Here's to hoping he will squeeze out a few more legendary seasons, and we get to keep watching them, regardless on if we win more championships or not.
Al Horford in a David West role? Both Horford and Kornet are FA, and with Tatum lost for next season, the Celtics might prioritize retaining Kornet.
Good one. Would love that. I'd imagine he could get more than we can offer, but at his age you never know. Maybe he wants to play with Steph. Ditto Brook Lopez.
Correct me if I’m wrong. This off season, we won’t have the BAE or Non tax payer mle to use because itll hard cap us to the first apron. We could potentially have the tax payer mle to use but it hard caps us at the second apron. But I’m going to assume that we won’t be able to use that unless we’re able to resign all 3 of GP2, Looney, Jk under $30 mil total. That allow us a wiggle room of just enough to use that taxpayer mle and be hard capped at the 2nd apron while filling out the roster.
That way we can use the tax payer mle to try to get Melton or someone that fills a need. It works but it restricts our flexibility for the season.
If we don’t use that option, we can just forget about the aprons and balloon our payroll way past it.
Example:
1. Trade Moody, TJD, and draft picks for Cam Johnson.
2. Bird’s right resign GP2, Looney
3. Match any offers JK gets in the open market.
4. Use Vet Min and 2nd(draft an older player) to fill a need. We still need a back up point and center.
5. Keep JK at trade deadline or trade him with draft picks for Wiggins. Make necessary trades with contracts we have now accumulated to patch up holes.
For example, by the trade deadline you have contracts like GP2, Looney, Hield, and Vet Min players to trade around with, maybe you can get a decent center or back up point this way.
We’ll be way past the second apron for the next two years but we’ll be right out of it once Jimmy, Curry, and Green’s contract ends.
Hypothetical Roster(Switch it around how you see fit):
1. Steph, (Wiggins or JK), Johnson, Butler, Center(Vet Min)
2. Podz, Hield, GP2, Green, Post
3. Back Up Point(Vet Min), Santos, 2nd Rd Pick, Looney
4. We always like to keep the 15th Roster spot empty for a potential candidate in the buyout market.
Small Ball Line Up: Steph, Wiggins, Johnson, Butler, Green
Shooters: Steph, Hield, Wiggins, Johnson, Post
All Defense: GP2, Wiggins, Butler, Green, Center
Assuming we resign GP2/Looney, how much would yall assume their contracts would be?
Vet min
GP2 is currently making 9 million and Looney currently is making 8 million,are u sure vet mind are realistic?
I've said it before but when other GMs look at Looney they see an undersized big that can't shoot. That works for the Warriors as they primarily need him to screen and rebound but most teams are going to want more than that. JaVale McGee couldn't even get a vet min and he has size over Looney.
This. They wouldn't be the first players to go from $9M/yr to vet min. We love 'em, but they're specialist role players who are good for 15 minutes/gm with us and maybe not that with other teams. GP2 also is on the wrong side of 30 and injury-prone.
JaVale is a bad comp though. He couldn't get a vet min because he's 37 and washed. Loon is 29.
I got to watch Steph Curry's 16th season of basketball with a single team.
He now joins 12 other illustrious hometown heroes who've reached that feat and hopefully can supply us with a few more...
Dirk Nowitzki: 21 seasons with the Dallas Mavericks (1998-2019)
Kobe Bryant: 20 seasons with the Los Angeles Lakers (1996-2016)
Udonis Haslem: 20 seasons with the Miami Heat (2003-23)
Tim Duncan: 19 seasons with the San Antonio Spurs (1997-2016)
John Stockton: 19 seasons with the Utah Jazz (1984-2003)
Reggie Miller: 18 seasons with the Indiana Pacers (1987-2005)
Karl Malone: 18 seasons with the Utah Jazz (1985-2003)
Tony Parker: 17 seasons with the San Antonio Spurs (2001-18)
Hakeem Olajuwon: 17 seasons with Houston Rockets (1984-2001)
Manu Ginobili: 16 seasons with the San Antonio Spurs (2002-2018)
John Havlicek: 16 seasons with the Boston Celtics (1962-78)
Stephen Curry: 16 seasons with the Golden State Warriors (2009-present)
Only non-HOFer in the bunch: Haslem
Best in the bunch: Curry
Best starting 5 from the bunch?
Hakeem, Duncan, Kobe, Steph, and... after that it's tough.
Stockton would give you two small point guards, tough defensively, but awesome playmaking so Steph could play off the ball.
Dirk and Duncan play the same position, though Dirk gives you spacing. If you had them both, defending the 3 would be an issue. Still it would be tempting, and you'd have unbelievable size.
Reggie gives you shooting and length but Steph would have to be the main playmaker, though Kobe could help with that. I'd be tempted to go that route.
Hmmm...
I guess Steph, Kobe, Reggie, Hakeem, Duncan just in terms of raw aggregate talent?
But I'd probably replace one of Duncan/Hakeem with Dirk for better modern-day floor spacing. And if we're talking about the team I'd most enjoy watching and rooting for, I'd replace Kobe with Manu, cos they'd play a more fun brand of bball and Steph would get the ball more.
Stockton and Malone: great players but zzzzzzzz.
I see a lot of people wanting to sign and trade jk for Cam, to my understanding that is not possible unless we extend jk first and trade him 6 months later. Same thing with getting Wiggins back
Cam should definitely be one of the top targets for us. Just a perfect fit for Kerr ball.
yup, i think we’re just going to do fringe moves this off season to build up our cupboard then make more meaningful trades closer to the trade deadline. We don’t have much we can even trade beside hield, moody, podz, and, tjd. Only ones out of that group with a decently useful contract AAV to trade is moody and that’s not really going to make a difference.
As it stands we don’t have much AAV contracts to trade besides Jimmy(hard to trade), Green(I think easier to trade but Steph might not like that), Buddy(I think we should keep cuz he’s good value for how much he costs), and Moody(most likely trade candidate), TJD(could be salary filler but he’s under a good value contract also), Podz(pay is too low and is on rookie scale, I’d try to keep him for now at least).
If we strike out on Giannis:
What I suspect we’re going to do is something similar to what we did this year. We will bird’s right resign (looney and gp2), match JK’s offer sheet to any team, and sign free agents(most likely vet mins) we can with whatever vehicle we can do so with. Try to get some development and good play from our young guys and free agents signings then try to see what we can trade for closer to the 2026 trade deadline. At that point we’ll have the additional contracts of Looney, GP2, JK, and free agents we can make a trade bundle with, along with all the draft picks n pick swaps we can throw in.
By the trade deadline: If JK takes a big jump he might still be on the team going forward and become our main player post-Steph. If he is just good enough but doesn’t contribute to our win-now approach then we will try to see what we can get for him. I don’t mind a reunion with Wiggins or a team up with Cam Johnson at that point, who knows who would be available at that time, are healthy and have been having a good year or bad year statistically. Too much to speculate so I’ll just sit and wait to see what surprises are in store for us.
People are hoping for a sign and trade
Yes I was referring to a sign and trade for Cam is not possible
Sorry misread it. Why is it not possible?
Only half of Jks outgoing salary counts toward the player/s we get back. His max is 38m so the max amount we can get back is 19m, Cam makes 22m
My understanding is you can aggregate salaries in a S&T so they could add someone else to match the salary as long as Brooklyn has the cap room to absorb all of it. Definitely makes it harder though.
This one I'm not too sure on. Maybe we can if we're not over the 2nd apron after obtaining the player back, in this case Cam. But need someone that knows the rules more to confirm
I can't help but wonder what these 'offs woulda looked like if the Dubs had won ONE MORE regular season game, gotten the sixth seed & LA to start the playoffs, skipped the Memphis play-in. Maybe the hammy doesn't strain. Maybe Jimmy doesn't get tackled.
Coulda shoulda woulda.
2-8 was only separated by four games. 3-5 were tied/tiebreakers. 6-8 had one game of separation.
League is wide open with a bunch of young-guns coming up.
Once you get into alternate realities anything could happen. JB and Steph could both break legs, while Draymond punches out a ref and Podz and Buddy get COVID, all in the first half of game 1. Or not. There's no point in going there.
You can take solace in the fact that the hammy still might've been injured in the second round, but instead of eliminating the rockets it could've been them eliminating us (without Steph). That would've been awful.
If given the choice, choose to preoccupy oneself with dreams rather than nightmares.
And look where the "vaunted" top 3 teams are... Cavs out (dealt with injuries), Celtics down 3-2 (dealing with injuries), and Thunder heading into a Game 7 against the 4 seed. These teams are also not that much better... wide open, as you said.
Nuggets win 119-107 and tie the series 3-3
Gordon only had 5 points and he was holding the back of his thigh towards the end of the game. Immediately made me say ‘oh oh hamstring’.
Yeah that looks very bad for them.
They pulled it out at home. Heart of a champion....from down 2-0 and MURRAY gimpy a lot of the games...game 7 in OK will be worth watching...
The Nuggets won Game 1 (as well as Game 3) so they were actually up 2-1 before dropping the next two games.
Thank you, my bad....wee hours of the morn, here...lol
Feel like the Nuggets have been the better team this series.
Nice, a 7-game series that I don't have to stress about.
OKC would actually be happy this time if Westbrook shot 7-21.
Some really unexpected moments from post-season interviews with various Warriors players and staff. I lost the links but *trust me* this is stuff that they said.
Steve Kerr: "Sometimes in the middle of the game I'll look over at the guys on the deep bench like a DNP guy like Moody or Kuminga and I swear to you I'll forget their name, or what position they play. It's this really weird thing -- do you ever have that? Like you know you know the name, you know the guy, he's probably on the team, but you just blank it out completely. Super weird. Play with joy everyone."
Joe Lacob: "I have too much money. I'm going to be giving it all away to charity. It's just gross for one person to have so much when others have so little."
Mike Dunleavy: "Whenever I hear Bob Myers announcing games, it's like nails on the chalkboard for me. I don't know why. It's not other announcers. It's just him. Something about him, I don't know what it is *cough Wiseman* but Bob is a really great guy and it's just a me thing."
Jonathan Kuminga: "Physical exertion can be quite taxing. Basketball takes a real toll on the body. So I'm always happier to just sit on the bench for a whole game. I get rest and relaxation, I still get paid the same, and I have time to meal plan. At halftime I often find coupons for whatever I've chosen to cook."
Steph Curry: "If you had to carry fourteen other players, a coaching staff, ownership, and millions of fans with you everywhere you went, your hamstring might tear a bit, too."
Quinten Post: "Literally not just on the bench but during the game, all I think about is lacrosse. I'm not even kidding you. What a sport."
Jimmy Butler: "I don't even like DC comics. That whole Batman/Robin thing was very embarrassing, makes me think of myself in green tights. I regret many life choices but that was the very worst."
Draymond Green: "I have done some deep hard thinking about the type of person I want to be on the court, and it is with a sense of peace that I am announcing my retirement to Sivananda Yoga Vedanta Dhanwantari Ashram in Kerala, India. To the players, staff, to opponents like Dillon Brooks and Rudy Gobert, I want to say, 'Namaste'"
Buddy Hield: "It's over? I thought it was a seven game series -- you're saying... what? Huh. Never knew that."
About those mushrooms you put in the pasta sauce for dinner.... 😆
Hilarious!
VINTAGE ASHER ''STUFF''....LMAO...way to close out the season...enjoyed it all... once I solved the riddle....
LOL
(The Lacob quote is basically Paul Allen and his widow in real life)
Not widow, his sister
Caruso is a truly ridiculous player. Top 5 defender in the league no question imo.
And the Lakers gave him up. Hahaha!
Dort is not close to his level imo, I thought that DPOY campaign was very forced
I think Dort is much better overall though. He’s become a scoring threat and he can defend bigger guys
Isaiah Joe is great in the regular season but bad in the playoffs.
Wow- who is Julian Strawther ?? Denver about to tie up the series 3-3
Nuggets up 90-82 after 3 quarters
Thunder up 61-58 at halftime
Cooper Flagg is sponsored by Uber Eats. That'll make Nico Harrison crazy.
Why, is Nico a DoorDash guy?
Completely useless offseason team overviews: Boston (https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/yearly/_/sort/cap_total/view/roster)
Can no longer trade for (if we even wanted to in the first place): Al Horford, Torrey Craig, Luke Cornet (UFA)
Can trade for in theory, but probably not practice: Derrick White (too good, other team won't trade), Payton Pritchard, Sam Hauser (signed extensions within the last year, probably won't be traded)
ALL IN(TM) blockbuster trades: Jrue Holiday (has a $37 mil player option in 2027; has had some injuries; is 34 already; Dubs would have to hope he doesn't decline rapidly over the next 2 years; might cost a lot more to trade for than Porzingis; was a proven elite defender, but for how much longer?); Kristaps Porizingis (Celtics seem to win without him quite a bit, injury-prone, contract expires in a year)
Maybe?: Neemias Queta (rim protector, cheap contract, still fairly young, maybe too cheap for Boston to let go of?), Xavier Tillman (slightly different player, but Boston has no real incentive to trade him, like Queta), Baylor Scheierman (older rookie, big like Klay, shoots . . . well not that well on average - but it looks like he's a steaky shooter who can get hot. late 1st-rounder last year)
Ex-Warriors and/or DNHQ obsessions: Tillman? (not really an obsession, but has defenitely been mentioned over the years (in both draft and trade/sign suggestion threads)
Galaxy Brain Kerr: Celtics are breaking up! Buy low on Tatum or get Jaylen Brown!
Hey I’d be intrigued with Jrue Holiday trade, but our core 3-4 would still be too old. Idk how we get thru 82
Maybe not necessarily Holiday, but our big acquisitions almost have to be old by default, because we probably don't have the assets to go get younger stars. It's the bench and depth players that need to be young to compensate (IMO).
Edit: which is why it's possible Butler was our last "big trade" salary-wise as we focus on getting more shooting, rim protection, etc
Not about "what could have been" but the injury made me think how much worse it's going to be to watch basketball when Steph retires. I'm sure it's not an original thought for anyone watching the series, and it's not something I want to muse about. But since Steph joined the team, through all the injuries, eventually blossoming, and then legendary status, I am truly thankful to have the chance to watch him and root for him every season. Here's to hoping he will squeeze out a few more legendary seasons, and we get to keep watching them, regardless on if we win more championships or not.
When Curry hangs them up, it's going to be awful. Even if the Ws are good -- and I hope they will be -- I'll miss the magic...