What it kind of liked like to me, on the turnovers, is that the Rockets' defense was SO BAD at keeping guys covered especially on cuts, that the Dubs players got overexcited about juicy easy buckets and made hasty passes—which the Rockets, especially because they were already out of position, were able to deflect and steal. I don't think it was an intentional strategy and I doubt any other team could replicate it successfully. So that's kind of a fluke.
Otherwise... great Klay game, Steph still nuts, poor point-of-attack defense meant Draymond, Looney, and others had to commit too many fouls. Poole looked concerningly hesitant to shoot looks he was splashing with confidence in the playoffs. Wiggins amazing from 3, but not as good on the glass... hey, we came away with the W, and that's good enough for now.
Last two games were goods wins but boy is this not sustainable.
If Klay is feeling more like his old self and not just a chucker that will help lots but he wont be on the floor tonight.
Defence needs a lot of work but I do think that will come around more and more when the new bench catches up.
Not worried about the boards so much, we've never been top in the league in Rodmans And I still remember the Cohan erra where we were tops in the league and also the worst team in the league. (When you miss a lot of shots hopefully your rebounding # would go up).
Do we need a trade? Not a panic one for sure and what is really out there for what we, this year are willing to give up?
Someone on the old site used to berate folks for wanting a strong bench but having people that can get you quality min's is vital. This is where older vets come in knowing how to play the game but willing to not have to have a 20 min a night load is key. Our rooks have sky high potential but how do you get that with no playing time?
In Kerr I trust. But I wish someone knew a way to get Kuminga to give his current best in whatever minutes he gets. He plays aggressive and his current max self when he is a starter/the alpha and plays good and bad mix when he is a role player.
Dray mentioned this about himself at the beginnng and I saw GP2 go through the same in early part of last season - MJax and Kerr respectively will put those guys in for one defensive possession and they gave it their best. And slowly earned minutes.
May be the difference is that he is 6th seed vs being drafted at 38th seed or going undrafted.
Hes been going hard on defense and the boards it's just how is he supposed to be aggressive offensively when hes playing next to looney with no spacing?
I give you example of the two threes he took yesterday. It was wide open for him to drive to the basket and either draw a foul or kick it out. I could be wrong, but I think that has got to do with how locked in he is in things that team wants him to do as a role player.
Would those 2 wide open 3s be an issue if say he was 3-4 from the field already off of backdoor cuts, pick n rolls and post ups? I think it looks worse because those were the only 2 times he touched the ball which is the result of him playing next to a non stretch big
Mixed emotions. Finally got that road win against the worst team in the league! Great Klay games usually lead to starters resting the 4th. Steph started slow and came through when needed because he’s that good. Klay will be just fine. The Warriors can definitely win a championship with those two and Dray and Looney and Wiggs.
It looks like that’s the best version of JMG good cutting and screening, 3 dunks! But his d is so so bad I had to make a rage log in my phone notes during the game. The announcers even threw Wiggins under the bus when JMG wandered away from his assignment in the corner to the side of the key and it turned into a wide open 3 and that came after he did literally nothing to prevent 3 straight layups starting at the 1:55 mark in the 1st. That guy is a problem for the Warriors. Everyone else’s screwups were from communication or bad positioning or bounces, he just doesn’t try on D.
Kuminga and Moody need more run. This team has potential to be really fun! But they could also torture us easily by making devastating lineup choices.
Yeah, I've been hoping that whatever trades the Warriors make before the deadline, it means we don't have to rely on JaMychal Green anymore because his defense is a disaster as often as not. (On a related note, please let Iguodala be in game shape soon. We need him!)
Tomorrow will be tough, but a win gets the Dubs to .500. And that's always the first goal. And it'll likely be a Poole start. So maybe we get a big JP game. Baby steps for all.
Mac McClung Yesterday. Just what our bench needs to jump-start the young uns THIS season, till they improve/prove they are better than him.
McClung registered 44 points (13-21 FG, 4-8 3Pt, 8-9 FT), seven assists, six rebounds and one block in 37 minutes during Friday's 141-129 win over Raptors 905.
McClung exploded for season highs in made field goals, made threes and points while recording at least five assists and five rebounds for a second straight game. Across five appearances, the 23-year-old has averaged 20.4 points, 4.6 rebounds and 6.2 assists in 32.3 minutes per game.
Imo, what the bench needs is not a small defensively challenged combo guard, but a true rebounding big that can either rim protect or stretch the floor.
Agree with the need of big, especially since James Wiseman is a longer growth curve after the injury and the need to win now. Nonetheless, I think THIS guard will add an instant scoring punch; badly-needed.
He demonstrated he can penetrate at will, score efficiently, or, pass effectively after drawing double teams in the interior.Showed all the skill sets you would expect of a good point guard. If you watch the only game he played in pre-season, he came off the bench and rallied the team to a win with superb passing and critical buckets. Very hard for a young player to adjust and make an impact off the bench, as we are witnessing already from our young guys. Mac already has that ability developed. I think he would be a great asset off the bench THIS season where we need it the most.
Don't know about that, but, no doubt THEY would score more. Frankly, if he gets going on offense, he is capable of efficiently outproducing the entire bench's as of late production. Definitely more ready than any of them to spark the team. May play PG with Poole off-the-bench, when Poole is not in with STEPH and/or KLAY, freeing up Poole to play off-ball.
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Couple of recurring themes I have noticed in the first 15 or so games
1. Pooles lobs to big guys for dunks seem off - they never seem to get the dunk. He appears to be lacking something in his upstairs since it cannot be his physical game since he is one of the hardest workers - Does he need a punch from the left side to correct??
2. Our finishing at the rim seems to be a team wide problem - Wiggs missed two dunks today and optics from earlier games seems consistent with that!
3. As ya'll are noting, our defense stinks and rebounding is too:-) Is this just hangover. DRAY not= DPOY
Maybe Wiggins was just too bouncy last night. Flew out of bounds a couple times and the dunks hit the back rim & He just needs some more run to wear out his legs.
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And yes, this Dubs version is awesome, but with issues. Just like my 14 year old dog.
I’m with you that (a) we leaned way too heavily into “Poole Wiseman Kuminga and Moody are ready” and stumbling around trying to figure out what to do about that. And (b) the vets are starting off slow. But how surprising is that after winning the ring?
And yea I hated seeing Wiggs miss those dunks. Get it out of your system now Andrew!
Agree, Captain Jack. Remember his notorious slow starts so many seasons....then, he would kill it. So long as his funk was not past-injury-related, I never doubted he would come back; of course, one may say his head trip/tentativeness was due to the debilitating double-injuries. Overly concerned about reinjury. Seems to be getting his confidence back....Steph has gone out of his way to make that happen....
In fairness, they were without Ja, Bane, and JJJ. But it is hilarious that he thinks he’s a good scorer. Moody and Kuminga can easily put up 31+ pts a game if allowed to chuck 30 fga.
Good road win but wtf do you expect out of a poole donte lamb kuminga looney lineup? That 3 minute stretch of a bullshit lineup is the difference between a 30 point blowout where the starters barely play 30 minutes and our young guys get 10+ minutes of good developmental minutes.
Instead we get JK standing in the corner for six minutes, not one post split action ran, curry has to play 37 on the front end of a back to back and moody only gets 4 minutes.
How hard is it to sub in moody and lamb for klay green to put shooting next to curry and looney then play poole donte klay kuminga green in the 2nd for a 2nd unit with spacing and defense?
We are asking poole to score in a lineup that only curry could drag to league average then ask ourselves why he looks so much better with the starters
Any win is a good win, but before I got too excited, I double-checked. Our recent three wins to build some momentum came against the Spurs, Knicks and Houston who are a combined 17-34 and to my mind, if you combined ALL their players and formed an all-star lineup, we should still beat them. I think the only all-star is Julius Randle and that was dubious. Him and Brunson would start with I guess Kevin Porter in there, but seriously. Our Big Four are better than anyone on all three of those teams. That's kinda cray.
5-2 since Wiseman was taken out of the rotation including wins against the Kings and Cavs, between that and Klay perhaps getting his legs under him and head on his shoulders there's reason for optimism.
And we had the best starting 5 in the league even with Klay bricking.
I’m pretty optimistic that between a maturing Poole, Donte, Moody, JK, JMG, Lamb, Jerome, Iguodala, and whatever we can get in trade for the other guys (and draft picks) we can put together a pretty solid bench to support them.
Just give me Zach Collins and Isaiah Roby for Wiseman, PBJ and Rollins and I’m good to go.
I like his game and his asshole demeanor would work well with Draymond (this is not a joke ... I think they would see eye to eye) but he seems pretty brittle.
This is an interesting idea. I think someone else posted it a little bit below in the conversation, too. Oh, no, wait. It was you. posting the same thing again.
Yeah, wasn't sure if it would get read/responded to that far down so I posted it again... my bad haha. But Kuzma has become a good defender, is a great rebounder (and we have sucked at rebounding), and would fit in a closing group of Curry, Klay, Wiggs, Kuzma, Dray.
And Kispert is a solid 8th man and we desperately need solid rotation players. We might have to give up a pick to make this happen but could be worth it.
I forgot how good the Kings are this season in terms of offense (#2). Their defensive efficiency is worse than ours, however (#27 vs. the Warriors #24 defense).
I don't even think it's that. We are just playing utterly craptastic defense. Also, I'm not sure if we're really being outrebounded, but it's not a strength this year, that's for sure.
My favorite moment in this game was when Klay hit his 10th 3 and they showed Lamb putting his hands up with a WTF is this guy a robot expression. It’s about time the younguns and us fans are reminded of what the great Klay Thompson is capable of.
What it kind of liked like to me, on the turnovers, is that the Rockets' defense was SO BAD at keeping guys covered especially on cuts, that the Dubs players got overexcited about juicy easy buckets and made hasty passes—which the Rockets, especially because they were already out of position, were able to deflect and steal. I don't think it was an intentional strategy and I doubt any other team could replicate it successfully. So that's kind of a fluke.
Otherwise... great Klay game, Steph still nuts, poor point-of-attack defense meant Draymond, Looney, and others had to commit too many fouls. Poole looked concerningly hesitant to shoot looks he was splashing with confidence in the playoffs. Wiggins amazing from 3, but not as good on the glass... hey, we came away with the W, and that's good enough for now.
I think a lot of Looney fouls were from Sengun's trickiness.
There was some of that yeah.
Last two games were goods wins but boy is this not sustainable.
If Klay is feeling more like his old self and not just a chucker that will help lots but he wont be on the floor tonight.
Defence needs a lot of work but I do think that will come around more and more when the new bench catches up.
Not worried about the boards so much, we've never been top in the league in Rodmans And I still remember the Cohan erra where we were tops in the league and also the worst team in the league. (When you miss a lot of shots hopefully your rebounding # would go up).
Do we need a trade? Not a panic one for sure and what is really out there for what we, this year are willing to give up?
Someone on the old site used to berate folks for wanting a strong bench but having people that can get you quality min's is vital. This is where older vets come in knowing how to play the game but willing to not have to have a 20 min a night load is key. Our rooks have sky high potential but how do you get that with no playing time?
#1NetRTG 5-man lineup with Minutes >= 100
S. Curry - K. Thompson - D. Green - A. Wiggins - K. Looney
#1 NetRtg = 27.0!!!!;
#1 ORTG
#4 DRTG
Just need to fix the bench and we be champs again
It's on kerr at this point he has to mix and match for better units
In Kerr I trust. But I wish someone knew a way to get Kuminga to give his current best in whatever minutes he gets. He plays aggressive and his current max self when he is a starter/the alpha and plays good and bad mix when he is a role player.
Dray mentioned this about himself at the beginnng and I saw GP2 go through the same in early part of last season - MJax and Kerr respectively will put those guys in for one defensive possession and they gave it their best. And slowly earned minutes.
May be the difference is that he is 6th seed vs being drafted at 38th seed or going undrafted.
Defensively, he needs experience and chemistry. He's got the effort and length and athleticism on-ball, but can get lost on off-ball rotations.
On offense, he went from playing 4 out spacing lineups with Bjelica at the 5 to playing the 4 next to Loon, Wiseman, and even some SF minutes.
So either JK becomes a much better corner 3 shooter, or Kerr plays him in spaced out lineups. They really need JMG to break out as a stretch 5.
Shit I wouldnt oppose trying a kuminga jmg draymond second unit with poole and donte
Hes been going hard on defense and the boards it's just how is he supposed to be aggressive offensively when hes playing next to looney with no spacing?
I give you example of the two threes he took yesterday. It was wide open for him to drive to the basket and either draw a foul or kick it out. I could be wrong, but I think that has got to do with how locked in he is in things that team wants him to do as a role player.
Would those 2 wide open 3s be an issue if say he was 3-4 from the field already off of backdoor cuts, pick n rolls and post ups? I think it looks worse because those were the only 2 times he touched the ball which is the result of him playing next to a non stretch big
Mixed emotions. Finally got that road win against the worst team in the league! Great Klay games usually lead to starters resting the 4th. Steph started slow and came through when needed because he’s that good. Klay will be just fine. The Warriors can definitely win a championship with those two and Dray and Looney and Wiggs.
It looks like that’s the best version of JMG good cutting and screening, 3 dunks! But his d is so so bad I had to make a rage log in my phone notes during the game. The announcers even threw Wiggins under the bus when JMG wandered away from his assignment in the corner to the side of the key and it turned into a wide open 3 and that came after he did literally nothing to prevent 3 straight layups starting at the 1:55 mark in the 1st. That guy is a problem for the Warriors. Everyone else’s screwups were from communication or bad positioning or bounces, he just doesn’t try on D.
Kuminga and Moody need more run. This team has potential to be really fun! But they could also torture us easily by making devastating lineup choices.
Yeah, I've been hoping that whatever trades the Warriors make before the deadline, it means we don't have to rely on JaMychal Green anymore because his defense is a disaster as often as not. (On a related note, please let Iguodala be in game shape soon. We need him!)
Tomorrow will be tough, but a win gets the Dubs to .500. And that's always the first goal. And it'll likely be a Poole start. So maybe we get a big JP game. Baby steps for all.
Isn’t the first goal to win your first game and hopefully never have to get back to .500? 😁
Mac McClung Yesterday. Just what our bench needs to jump-start the young uns THIS season, till they improve/prove they are better than him.
McClung registered 44 points (13-21 FG, 4-8 3Pt, 8-9 FT), seven assists, six rebounds and one block in 37 minutes during Friday's 141-129 win over Raptors 905.
McClung exploded for season highs in made field goals, made threes and points while recording at least five assists and five rebounds for a second straight game. Across five appearances, the 23-year-old has averaged 20.4 points, 4.6 rebounds and 6.2 assists in 32.3 minutes per game.
Imo, what the bench needs is not a small defensively challenged combo guard, but a true rebounding big that can either rim protect or stretch the floor.
Agree with the need of big, especially since James Wiseman is a longer growth curve after the injury and the need to win now. Nonetheless, I think THIS guard will add an instant scoring punch; badly-needed.
I liked Mac, but I trust the FO, and it's telling that both Lamb and Ty have made positive contributions already
Is it just me or does his statline not add up to 44?
G-league free throws are one shot for two points but even then it doesn't add up...
I don't see Mac as a good NBA player. More of a Jimmer Fredette kind of guy. YMMV.
This summer he was all about setting himself up, not setting up other players. Did not enjoy his style.
He demonstrated he can penetrate at will, score efficiently, or, pass effectively after drawing double teams in the interior.Showed all the skill sets you would expect of a good point guard. If you watch the only game he played in pre-season, he came off the bench and rallied the team to a win with superb passing and critical buckets. Very hard for a young player to adjust and make an impact off the bench, as we are witnessing already from our young guys. Mac already has that ability developed. I think he would be a great asset off the bench THIS season where we need it the most.
Meh....time will tell....
True, but he'll be 24 in a little over a month so the clock is ticking.
I am looking for somebody that will help our team and bench grow and compete for a Ship THIS season. I think Mac will help us do that.
I’m looking for JP2 level D from our bench.
I'd love to see mac score in a mac donte lamb kuminga looney lineup lol
Don't know about that, but, no doubt THEY would score more. Frankly, if he gets going on offense, he is capable of efficiently outproducing the entire bench's as of late production. Definitely more ready than any of them to spark the team. May play PG with Poole off-the-bench, when Poole is not in with STEPH and/or KLAY, freeing up Poole to play off-ball.
Mac's a free agent right? So any team could sign him? So not only the Warriors, but all the rest of the teams in the league are idiots?
Lightyears...Kerr thought very highly of him....
Hello All: just joined. Love the focussed discussion as compared to the tension of twittler.
Couple of recurring themes I have noticed in the first 15 or so games
1. Pooles lobs to big guys for dunks seem off - they never seem to get the dunk. He appears to be lacking something in his upstairs since it cannot be his physical game since he is one of the hardest workers - Does he need a punch from the left side to correct??
2. Our finishing at the rim seems to be a team wide problem - Wiggs missed two dunks today and optics from earlier games seems consistent with that!
3. As ya'll are noting, our defense stinks and rebounding is too:-) Is this just hangover. DRAY not= DPOY
Maybe Wiggins was just too bouncy last night. Flew out of bounds a couple times and the dunks hit the back rim & He just needs some more run to wear out his legs.
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And yes, this Dubs version is awesome, but with issues. Just like my 14 year old dog.
I’m with you that (a) we leaned way too heavily into “Poole Wiseman Kuminga and Moody are ready” and stumbling around trying to figure out what to do about that. And (b) the vets are starting off slow. But how surprising is that after winning the ring?
And yea I hated seeing Wiggs miss those dunks. Get it out of your system now Andrew!
way to throw the dog under the bus
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Wait... didn't anyone tell fng he was supposed to bring donuts this morning?
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Imagine thinking Klay is no longer capable of this lmao.
He'll get into long & frustrating slumps sometimes but there's a reason why he'll be the 2nd best shooter of all time when it's all said and done.
Agree, Captain Jack. Remember his notorious slow starts so many seasons....then, he would kill it. So long as his funk was not past-injury-related, I never doubted he would come back; of course, one may say his head trip/tentativeness was due to the debilitating double-injuries. Overly concerned about reinjury. Seems to be getting his confidence back....Steph has gone out of his way to make that happen....
He’ll be at #2 made for the season at this rate… even with so many B2B missed…
Second only to Ray Allen*
*according to Ryan Hollins
I'm just amazed he didn't say second only to Harden
https://twitter.com/DaltonJ_Johnson/status/1594523058471112704
Klay admits he let trolls get to him, and says he had a revelation to just be himself and real Warriors fans will keep riding with him
I think this answers someones question on another thread about whether or not players read dnhq comments: no.
Haha, so the trolling was here?
Hell yea bro! We’re here for you!
Vintage Klay
Checking out some box scores around the league and Dillon Brooks put up 31 points on 30 shots.
Jalen Rose has long had him on his Irrational Confidence All-Stars, which I endorse.
Lol. Never change, Dillon.
In fairness, they were without Ja, Bane, and JJJ. But it is hilarious that he thinks he’s a good scorer. Moody and Kuminga can easily put up 31+ pts a game if allowed to chuck 30 fga.
Good road win but wtf do you expect out of a poole donte lamb kuminga looney lineup? That 3 minute stretch of a bullshit lineup is the difference between a 30 point blowout where the starters barely play 30 minutes and our young guys get 10+ minutes of good developmental minutes.
Instead we get JK standing in the corner for six minutes, not one post split action ran, curry has to play 37 on the front end of a back to back and moody only gets 4 minutes.
How hard is it to sub in moody and lamb for klay green to put shooting next to curry and looney then play poole donte klay kuminga green in the 2nd for a 2nd unit with spacing and defense?
We are asking poole to score in a lineup that only curry could drag to league average then ask ourselves why he looks so much better with the starters
Kerr likes to start garbage time in the 2nd quarter (kind of—Loon wouldn't be in for garbage time) as a way of testing people.
They did not pass the test.
Kerrs been playing that lineup or something similar to it where he pairs kuminga and looney and it just doesnt make sense
Crazy: https://www.espn.com/nba/recap/_/gameId/401468401
Id be so 'effin pissed if I was a Mav. Holy shit.
Any win is a good win, but before I got too excited, I double-checked. Our recent three wins to build some momentum came against the Spurs, Knicks and Houston who are a combined 17-34 and to my mind, if you combined ALL their players and formed an all-star lineup, we should still beat them. I think the only all-star is Julius Randle and that was dubious. Him and Brunson would start with I guess Kevin Porter in there, but seriously. Our Big Four are better than anyone on all three of those teams. That's kinda cray.
5-2 since Wiseman was taken out of the rotation including wins against the Kings and Cavs, between that and Klay perhaps getting his legs under him and head on his shoulders there's reason for optimism.
And we had the best starting 5 in the league even with Klay bricking.
I’m pretty optimistic that between a maturing Poole, Donte, Moody, JK, JMG, Lamb, Jerome, Iguodala, and whatever we can get in trade for the other guys (and draft picks) we can put together a pretty solid bench to support them.
Just give me Zach Collins and Isaiah Roby for Wiseman, PBJ and Rollins and I’m good to go.
Collins games played last three seasons:
28
none (out all year)
11
I like his game and his asshole demeanor would work well with Draymond (this is not a joke ... I think they would see eye to eye) but he seems pretty brittle.
He does have an asshole demeanor. That time he got into with Klay...
Could we pry away Kuzma and Kispert for Wiseman, Kuminga, and Rollins? Wizards would have to decide to tank so probably not...
Glad to see you included Kuminga in the trade. Otherwise the lineup nicknaming could get problematic.
This is an interesting idea. I think someone else posted it a little bit below in the conversation, too. Oh, no, wait. It was you. posting the same thing again.
Yeah, wasn't sure if it would get read/responded to that far down so I posted it again... my bad haha. But Kuzma has become a good defender, is a great rebounder (and we have sucked at rebounding), and would fit in a closing group of Curry, Klay, Wiggs, Kuzma, Dray.
And Kispert is a solid 8th man and we desperately need solid rotation players. We might have to give up a pick to make this happen but could be worth it.
I would not endorse that trade. Kuminga has pretty serious upside. You can trade the other two but leave Kuminga outta this.
He has no upside standing in the corner for 6 minutes
Well we had three straight losses to Charlotte, Detroit and Orlando so id say this is a really nice step in a positive direction
Teams are gunning for the Warriors. This is the game that these young athletes get up for it.
Was the Cavs the only good team we've beaten?
The Kings are 9-6
I forgot how good the Kings are this season in terms of offense (#2). Their defensive efficiency is worse than ours, however (#27 vs. the Warriors #24 defense).
Well, that's only because they lost Mike Brown...no wait, that's not right.
He’s had such an impact on their defense! It’s because he’s holding Fox accountable!
Heat's a good team, too, despite their record.
Debatable.
Kings are pretty good, tho, and we beat them twice.
Absolutely.
> Teams are gunning for the Warriors.
I don't even think it's that. We are just playing utterly craptastic defense. Also, I'm not sure if we're really being outrebounded, but it's not a strength this year, that's for sure.
My favorite moment in this game was when Klay hit his 10th 3 and they showed Lamb putting his hands up with a WTF is this guy a robot expression. It’s about time the younguns and us fans are reminded of what the great Klay Thompson is capable of.
To quote (I think) Sleepy,
73-9, here we come.
That's just silly. No team could ever possibly go 73-9. I don't care who they have, the league is too balanced for that.