Getting crushed by 3 pt variance (27.1% to 47.3%) and still up 14. Based on shot quality we should be up like 25-30. Steph missed not one but three practice threes with no one within five feet of him.
Haven't seen this mentioned, but with so many here wanting this guy:
>Wizards guard Malcolm Brogdon had to be helped off the court in the fourth quarter of Wednesday’s overtime loss to Indiana due to a left leg injury, per ESPN.com. The former Sixth Man of the Year winner was unable to put weight on his injured leg, which is never a great sign.
Fuck... Well, there's one buyout option gone. And perhaps the best potentially available guard. Who's left? Curry, Micic, Monte Morris? We could wait and see on D'Lo. I don't know if any of these guys plays more than barely passable defense.
Get this game tonight, and we'll have dutifully split the OKC, @UTA, @DAL (with injuries), @HOU quartet of games, as we all would have expected, and trudged to the ASB one game over 0.500, as would have been the bar of "acceptable" for most of us. Le sigh.
One question I brought up in the game thread, but didn't get much commentary (understandably).
Did anyone else think that last night's game would have been a good game for TJD to play some?
He's quick enough and springy enough to bother Kyrie a little (not a lot, but no one was bothering him a lot). He runs the floor, he can rotate out to the perimeter (unlike Post). The Mavs were playing a bunch of elite athletes, but none with really shifty games beyond Kyrie.
He would have been a legit lob target (tallest guy on the floor), and probably given a little bit defensively.
YES i wrote reams about that very subject, how unlike me. Puzzles me why Kerr doesn't see that potential. We could have had one of those TJD goes 8-9 games, no reason I know of that that wouldn't have happened.
I'm sure that Kerr sees some potential in TJD (or they'd have put him in the deal, not Lindy), it's just that he values Post's floor spacing and Loon's defense and rebounding more.
But, I wish we'd gotten at least 5 minutes last night to see how he matched up with that team.
I mean, if we had never ever seen TJD, we would have ambivalent feelings about agitating for him to be put in, like "He SEEMS good but for all I know he's a useless rookie." But that's not the situation. TJD has played well, and poorly at times. But he's a known commodity. To me it seems like only Kerry has guys going from being a starter to DNP.
>>>Steph Curry, Jimmy Butler and Draymond Green are all cleared to play for the Warriors tonight in Houston on the second night of a back-to-back. Same available rotation as last night. Tari Eason, Fred VanVleet, Jabari Smith out for Rockets.<<<
I bet they're all seething... the fact that Kerr didn't even spend time in his postgame to get a fine spoke volumes, to me.
Houston missing Eason is interesting, they played a 9 man rotation last night, including Eason playing 34 minutes. They're gonna have to fill those with... Whitmore & Tate. Should be a pretty good advantage for us, as long as we actually show up and make some @#$@^ing layups.
Suns without Booker and Beal did well against the Rockets until Houston had a breakout 4th quarter where they outscored Phoenix 35-19. I think the Suns were exhausted by then.
Feel free not to read or comment on my posts if you don't like them. I see no need for you to edit me. It hurts my feelings when you ascribe motives to what I'm doing that are not in fact how I am. It doesn't hurt catastrophically, but it's not a good feeling.
In fact I don't post things with intention of bothering people. Feel free not to read or comment on my posts if you don't like them. It bothers me to be called something I am not.
Please don't speak for me. There's nothing fun about this for me. I don't troll, meaning intentionally try to provoke others. If you do, that's your choice. I'm telling you how I feel. It's your choice what to do with that, but please don't tell me I'm feeling things the wrong way.
1) My guess is the "expected points" was way in favor of the Warriors because they were getting a bunch of great situations and smoking a lot of them. The second quarter in particular felt egregious, at 9:35 Podz missed a layup which was followed by Green missing a layup and then Butler missing a layup where he pump faked for reasons unbeknownst to anyone watching and then Butler turning it over and then Podz turning it over and then Moody not knowing the shot clock and getting a violation and the GP2 missing a layup. WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT?
2) Meanwhile the Mavericks had one chance to win which was Irving having an A+ game so of course he did. The Warriors are going to have a lot of trouble guarding the top PGs in the league and Kyrie does this to plenty of teams but an off game would have been nice.
3) I watched the game on delay and was shocked to see Post starting against a Mavericks team starting Kessler Edwards at center? What reason is there to not start Draymond at center in such a situation? It's not like he would have to bang against Lively/Gafford/AD, the Mavericks started a wing at center. It sounds like the Warriors are going to rest him tonight which just makes me not understand it even more. The Mavericks played small basically the entire game and Kerr is not playing to the Warriors strengths if he isn't following suit in a situation like that.
4) If it wasn't a crucial game then I'd have been less bothered by #1/#2 (still bothered by #3) but it was. Realistically not gonna climb to the 6 seed if you don't have any tiebreakers, and we've seen this team fail twice in the play-in. Oh well, maybe Pat Spencer can shock the world tonight against Houston.
We REALLY needed Jonathan K. last night. I tend to exaggerate his abiliities, but I think we can all agree that when it's time to finish at the rim wide open, he FINISHES AT THE DAMNED RIM. Same with TJD, no idea why got not PT
I would be cautious putting too much hope in JK this season. Pretty good chance that he comes back with around 25 games left and us needing to go 16-9 or better just to make the play-in. How many critical minutes is he going to see if he comes back rusty and a bit tentative, as would be expected? Is Steve going to hang him out to dry and allow him to cost us 3 or 4 games with fumbled passes or bricked 3s? Is he going to allow JK to be reason we don't make the postseason?
I think he'll be re-integrated slowly, maybe early in games or during garbage time.
Jonathan is not necessarily the best finisher, but he is good at getting foul calls, which, as DFiB notes, he probably wouldn't have gotten last night.
How is it trolling when I say one thing but fair play when someone else says the opposite? I resent that. I have an opinion and would prefer not to be told that I have a poor personal character because of it.
If we had a Zubac or a Jokic (lol), or even a Gobert, you can get away with not playing small by punishing the post mismatch. But Post is the polar opposite of that, so that was indeed a dumb choice.
I'm not sure any changes to the coaching would have mattered a whole lot. Kyrie went nuclear, the refs put their pet elephants on the scale, and we had a bad shooting night. On to the next one, which I'd really rather wasn't today but hey, if there's anything that can be relied on, it's the unpredictability of things.
The Mavs also had too much fun cutting through our defense to get into the paint, especially in the first half. And we missed at least 9 or 10 layups. That's egregious.
I will say it again. Regardless of all the stuff that has been mentioned, they win the game if Steph and Hield shoot decently.
If there was ever a game they should win without needing a good 3 point night it was this one, but once again their inability to finish inside also killed them. The inability to finish comes down to lack of talent, which is why they needed JB so much.
Watching JB I am pretty confident that he has lost a bit of his athleticism which will also factor in down the road, but he is still really good. Playoff 27 a game Jimmy, hmmmmmm.
I think there were multiple "fumbled the ball out of bounds" mistakes as well... it was a metric ton of little things that all added up to what could have easily been a 15-20 point win, even with Kyrie going nuts, and turned it into a loss.
The main reason the Warriors lost this game was that they forgot that when the refs swallow the whistle it always benefits the Warriors. The 2022 year when Jordan got the refs to not be so whistle happy for the first 20 games, the Warriors shredded the league.
Kerr worked so hard to get the refs to call more fouls he forgot to coach winning basketball.
Yes our new player thrives on FTs but he can also adapt and play ball. This may have been a classic case of playing too much towards your newest addition and forgetting what you have always been good at.
Yea the refs were not great, but a good team has to beat a team missing so many key players.
We supposedly have a new vibe, momentum winning 2 in a row, but once again come up short.
We lost the game because Steph and Hield once again didn’t shoot well. Kyrie was great but the 42 means nothing if our 2 vaunted 3 point shooters make a couple more.
Sorry. And on it goes. It just is what it is. We go nowhere and win nothing if we don’t shoot it well from 3 and that is the end of the story, JB or no JB.
On another note a good team should be able to take and score a high pct of shots around the basket considering they have no 5’s, no AD and no PJ Washington. Once again, didn’t happen.
We lost the game for a bunch of reasons, any one of which could have made the difference. Even with Steph and Buddy not shooting well and Kyrie going off, we should have won this.
> We go nowhere and win nothing if we don’t shoot it well from 3 and that is the end of the story, JB or no JB.
Actually, I'll believe we have the proverbial "puncher's chance" when we start winning the games with bad shooting, which I still think this new iteration is capable of doing. I mean, we still held the other team to exactly 111 points, and if 2 out of the handful of crazy-ass calls went our way, we would have likely won (all due deference to chaos and whatnot).
Yea but we weren’t playing a good team at mostly full strength.
What really worries me the most is the play in. Well we just didn’t shoot it well tonight so wait until next year when Steph, JB and DG are closer to claiming social security.
And how many playoff teams are we going up against missing all their centers, an AD and a PJ Washington where one would think we would win a game without depending on 3’s?
Am I a biased Dub's fan or was that last charge on Jimmy not as "clear cut" as it was or whatever the hell ESPN said. Yes, he guessed right but he was still sliding. It's a 50/50 call, but NOT non debatable as they made it out to be. I've seen guys in much better position get hit with a blocking foul.
you don't have to be completely still, is my understanding.
I think it was a charge. Even if Kyrie hadn't moved, JB would have at least clipped him on the way up. He hit Kyrie dead center in the chest.
But, more to the point, that's how I've seen that play refereed. If you hit a guy dead center, there has to be a lot of movement by the defender before it's a block.
I think the call fine in a vacuum, but not with the two non-calls on charges the other way. And turns out pink sneakers can't kick the ball -maybe because refs assume that someone wearing pink sneakers wouldn't want to get them dirty? (At least they looked pink on my screen.) And acting head jerk from Kyrie rewarded (and he did not need more help!). So I think the focus on that call is mainly there because so much before was missed or mis-called.
Getting crushed by 3 pt variance (27.1% to 47.3%) and still up 14. Based on shot quality we should be up like 25-30. Steph missed not one but three practice threes with no one within five feet of him.
Still: up 14.
Apple bottom jeans and boots with the fur,
The whole world is mad at Steve Kerr,
Buddy’s on the flo,
Next thing you know,
Shooting went low low low low low low low
Haven't seen this mentioned, but with so many here wanting this guy:
>Wizards guard Malcolm Brogdon had to be helped off the court in the fourth quarter of Wednesday’s overtime loss to Indiana due to a left leg injury, per ESPN.com. The former Sixth Man of the Year winner was unable to put weight on his injured leg, which is never a great sign.
Fuck... Well, there's one buyout option gone. And perhaps the best potentially available guard. Who's left? Curry, Micic, Monte Morris? We could wait and see on D'Lo. I don't know if any of these guys plays more than barely passable defense.
Noooooo
Get this game tonight, and we'll have dutifully split the OKC, @UTA, @DAL (with injuries), @HOU quartet of games, as we all would have expected, and trudged to the ASB one game over 0.500, as would have been the bar of "acceptable" for most of us. Le sigh.
LGW!
Well, that's disappointing: No Curry-Ionescu 3-point rematch.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/43827778/nba-drops-steph-curry-sabrina-ionescu-3-point-showdown
Missing getting Clark added was a big hit to that proposition...
One question I brought up in the game thread, but didn't get much commentary (understandably).
Did anyone else think that last night's game would have been a good game for TJD to play some?
He's quick enough and springy enough to bother Kyrie a little (not a lot, but no one was bothering him a lot). He runs the floor, he can rotate out to the perimeter (unlike Post). The Mavs were playing a bunch of elite athletes, but none with really shifty games beyond Kyrie.
He would have been a legit lob target (tallest guy on the floor), and probably given a little bit defensively.
YES i wrote reams about that very subject, how unlike me. Puzzles me why Kerr doesn't see that potential. We could have had one of those TJD goes 8-9 games, no reason I know of that that wouldn't have happened.
I'm sure that Kerr sees some potential in TJD (or they'd have put him in the deal, not Lindy), it's just that he values Post's floor spacing and Loon's defense and rebounding more.
But, I wish we'd gotten at least 5 minutes last night to see how he matched up with that team.
I mean, if we had never ever seen TJD, we would have ambivalent feelings about agitating for him to be put in, like "He SEEMS good but for all I know he's a useless rookie." But that's not the situation. TJD has played well, and poorly at times. But he's a known commodity. To me it seems like only Kerry has guys going from being a starter to DNP.
He would have been erased by Kessler and Olivier, unfortunately
Hmm. Maybe that's what Kerr was thinking. Post at least pulls those guys out of the paint. good thought.
>>>Steph Curry, Jimmy Butler and Draymond Green are all cleared to play for the Warriors tonight in Houston on the second night of a back-to-back. Same available rotation as last night. Tari Eason, Fred VanVleet, Jabari Smith out for Rockets.<<<
https://bsky.app/profile/anthonyvslater.bsky.social/post/3li3gj26l6s2u
I wouldn't mind if they rested Draymond. I think he's hurting, and it is hampering his game, which hampers the whole team.
Aside from the skills challenge, he's got a lot of time off coming.
Glad Tari Eason is out. That guy can get sneaky on fire IIRC.
He's not going to come out to play-ay....?
I bet they're all seething... the fact that Kerr didn't even spend time in his postgame to get a fine spoke volumes, to me.
Houston missing Eason is interesting, they played a 9 man rotation last night, including Eason playing 34 minutes. They're gonna have to fill those with... Whitmore & Tate. Should be a pretty good advantage for us, as long as we actually show up and make some @#$@^ing layups.
Suns without Booker and Beal did well against the Rockets until Houston had a breakout 4th quarter where they outscored Phoenix 35-19. I think the Suns were exhausted by then.
10/35 from 3. That's how you lose a game. Refs didn't do that, the shooters did.
Yes but it's much more pleasant to complain about the refs than our own team
You see, after a game like last night, this almost feels like trolling to me.
Feel free not to read or comment on my posts if you don't like them. I see no need for you to edit me. It hurts my feelings when you ascribe motives to what I'm doing that are not in fact how I am. It doesn't hurt catastrophically, but it's not a good feeling.
Asher? Trolling? Never!
In fact I don't post things with intention of bothering people. Feel free not to read or comment on my posts if you don't like them. It bothers me to be called something I am not.
Oh, Asher... We're all here for funsies. Why so serious? I troll, you troll... we all troll.
Please don't speak for me. There's nothing fun about this for me. I don't troll, meaning intentionally try to provoke others. If you do, that's your choice. I'm telling you how I feel. It's your choice what to do with that, but please don't tell me I'm feeling things the wrong way.
We've won games going 10/35. Distilling THIS game like this is not particularly instructive, imo...
Most frustrating game of the year:
1) My guess is the "expected points" was way in favor of the Warriors because they were getting a bunch of great situations and smoking a lot of them. The second quarter in particular felt egregious, at 9:35 Podz missed a layup which was followed by Green missing a layup and then Butler missing a layup where he pump faked for reasons unbeknownst to anyone watching and then Butler turning it over and then Podz turning it over and then Moody not knowing the shot clock and getting a violation and the GP2 missing a layup. WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT?
2) Meanwhile the Mavericks had one chance to win which was Irving having an A+ game so of course he did. The Warriors are going to have a lot of trouble guarding the top PGs in the league and Kyrie does this to plenty of teams but an off game would have been nice.
3) I watched the game on delay and was shocked to see Post starting against a Mavericks team starting Kessler Edwards at center? What reason is there to not start Draymond at center in such a situation? It's not like he would have to bang against Lively/Gafford/AD, the Mavericks started a wing at center. It sounds like the Warriors are going to rest him tonight which just makes me not understand it even more. The Mavericks played small basically the entire game and Kerr is not playing to the Warriors strengths if he isn't following suit in a situation like that.
4) If it wasn't a crucial game then I'd have been less bothered by #1/#2 (still bothered by #3) but it was. Realistically not gonna climb to the 6 seed if you don't have any tiebreakers, and we've seen this team fail twice in the play-in. Oh well, maybe Pat Spencer can shock the world tonight against Houston.
We REALLY needed Jonathan K. last night. I tend to exaggerate his abiliities, but I think we can all agree that when it's time to finish at the rim wide open, he FINISHES AT THE DAMNED RIM. Same with TJD, no idea why got not PT
I would be cautious putting too much hope in JK this season. Pretty good chance that he comes back with around 25 games left and us needing to go 16-9 or better just to make the play-in. How many critical minutes is he going to see if he comes back rusty and a bit tentative, as would be expected? Is Steve going to hang him out to dry and allow him to cost us 3 or 4 games with fumbled passes or bricked 3s? Is he going to allow JK to be reason we don't make the postseason?
I think he'll be re-integrated slowly, maybe early in games or during garbage time.
Jonathan is not necessarily the best finisher, but he is good at getting foul calls, which, as DFiB notes, he probably wouldn't have gotten last night.
He would have been "not fouled" each time he tried to finish at the rim, just like the rest of the Warriors.
16 fouls were called on each team. That hardly seems like a conspiracy against the Warriors
That stat is worthless without context. Please stop trolling about the refs reffing fairly.
How is it trolling when I say one thing but fair play when someone else says the opposite? I resent that. I have an opinion and would prefer not to be told that I have a poor personal character because of it.
It hurts my feelings
If we had a Zubac or a Jokic (lol), or even a Gobert, you can get away with not playing small by punishing the post mismatch. But Post is the polar opposite of that, so that was indeed a dumb choice.
I'm not sure any changes to the coaching would have mattered a whole lot. Kyrie went nuclear, the refs put their pet elephants on the scale, and we had a bad shooting night. On to the next one, which I'd really rather wasn't today but hey, if there's anything that can be relied on, it's the unpredictability of things.
The Mavs also had too much fun cutting through our defense to get into the paint, especially in the first half. And we missed at least 9 or 10 layups. That's egregious.
They lost by 4 points, a little optimization could have made a big difference
I will say it again. Regardless of all the stuff that has been mentioned, they win the game if Steph and Hield shoot decently.
If there was ever a game they should win without needing a good 3 point night it was this one, but once again their inability to finish inside also killed them. The inability to finish comes down to lack of talent, which is why they needed JB so much.
Watching JB I am pretty confident that he has lost a bit of his athleticism which will also factor in down the road, but he is still really good. Playoff 27 a game Jimmy, hmmmmmm.
I think there were multiple "fumbled the ball out of bounds" mistakes as well... it was a metric ton of little things that all added up to what could have easily been a 15-20 point win, even with Kyrie going nuts, and turned it into a loss.
It was the most winnable loss of the season I'd say
Kerr f'ed up but the refs were atrocious too.
@UTA up 11 with 3 minutes left says hi :-|, but yeah, this was probably worse.
I'm guessing Jimmy doesn't play today.
He's not on the injury report.
Yup, I was wrong.
I kinda hate the post-hoc finger-pointing going on after every loss, but in real time, I had wanted to see MORE Gui.
Even when we have Jimmy Butler on our side, the Warriors still get plagued with bad officiating.
In 1 out of 3 games, playing an opponent that the NBA had reasons (however stupid) to protect.
When the hell do we get some protection FFS
When Joe Lacob pays Adam Silver his protection money.
The NBA: LOL
The main reason the Warriors lost this game was that they forgot that when the refs swallow the whistle it always benefits the Warriors. The 2022 year when Jordan got the refs to not be so whistle happy for the first 20 games, the Warriors shredded the league.
Kerr worked so hard to get the refs to call more fouls he forgot to coach winning basketball.
Yes our new player thrives on FTs but he can also adapt and play ball. This may have been a classic case of playing too much towards your newest addition and forgetting what you have always been good at.
Yea the refs were not great, but a good team has to beat a team missing so many key players.
We supposedly have a new vibe, momentum winning 2 in a row, but once again come up short.
We lost the game because Steph and Hield once again didn’t shoot well. Kyrie was great but the 42 means nothing if our 2 vaunted 3 point shooters make a couple more.
Sorry. And on it goes. It just is what it is. We go nowhere and win nothing if we don’t shoot it well from 3 and that is the end of the story, JB or no JB.
On another note a good team should be able to take and score a high pct of shots around the basket considering they have no 5’s, no AD and no PJ Washington. Once again, didn’t happen.
That is why we lost.
We lost the game for a bunch of reasons, any one of which could have made the difference. Even with Steph and Buddy not shooting well and Kyrie going off, we should have won this.
Very true but there seems to be a very consistent outcome when Steph and Buddy don’t shoot well and I to this point am not confident in that changing.
I want to believe, but the thought of play in games where one bad shooting night is the end with this team is very unsettling.
I hope we get a really unexpected buyout guy that can make a difference.
And we almost did which, I'm not declaring moral victory, but again, I think there were things to like about last night's game.
> We go nowhere and win nothing if we don’t shoot it well from 3 and that is the end of the story, JB or no JB.
Actually, I'll believe we have the proverbial "puncher's chance" when we start winning the games with bad shooting, which I still think this new iteration is capable of doing. I mean, we still held the other team to exactly 111 points, and if 2 out of the handful of crazy-ass calls went our way, we would have likely won (all due deference to chaos and whatnot).
Yea but we weren’t playing a good team at mostly full strength.
What really worries me the most is the play in. Well we just didn’t shoot it well tonight so wait until next year when Steph, JB and DG are closer to claiming social security.
And how many playoff teams are we going up against missing all their centers, an AD and a PJ Washington where one would think we would win a game without depending on 3’s?
Sorry but this was a bad loss.
Hmmm... if the buyout market turns out to be dry I wonder if we should take a flyer on Jaden Springer as a potential GP2 replacement
If he's 2 way eligible that'd be even better
Am I a biased Dub's fan or was that last charge on Jimmy not as "clear cut" as it was or whatever the hell ESPN said. Yes, he guessed right but he was still sliding. It's a 50/50 call, but NOT non debatable as they made it out to be. I've seen guys in much better position get hit with a blocking foul.
you don't have to be completely still, is my understanding.
I think it was a charge. Even if Kyrie hadn't moved, JB would have at least clipped him on the way up. He hit Kyrie dead center in the chest.
But, more to the point, that's how I've seen that play refereed. If you hit a guy dead center, there has to be a lot of movement by the defender before it's a block.
It was a charge. I’d make that particular call 100 pct of the time. Then again I always hated reffing because it is hard and a pain in the ass to do.
I think the call fine in a vacuum, but not with the two non-calls on charges the other way. And turns out pink sneakers can't kick the ball -maybe because refs assume that someone wearing pink sneakers wouldn't want to get them dirty? (At least they looked pink on my screen.) And acting head jerk from Kyrie rewarded (and he did not need more help!). So I think the focus on that call is mainly there because so much before was missed or mis-called.
Yes.
You're a biased Dubs fan. (There's worse things to be).
That call was fine and probably called that way 50% of the time
>It's a 50/50 call, but NOT non debatable as they made it out to be.