It was a thrilling draft.
Somehow, GSW managed to draft the most divisive prospect and the most beloved prospect.
We predicted this would happen:
Basically, we looked at the last 13 drafts and the large majority had “reaches” in the Top 6. And this year was no exception, with OKC’s #6 Giddey pick dropping Kuminga to #7, as predicted. And as predicted, GSW grabbed Kuminga and made a lot of Dub Nation upset with the anti-Win-Now nature of the pick.
But somehow GSW had the winner of our Draft Tourney, Moses Moody, drop to #14 due to a series of — let’s call it unexpected — choices preceding.
The whole tournament is at 2021 Dub Nation HQ Draft Tournament.
We’ve been going hard on the Draft coverage this month, but I notice that some of you didn’t catch it. So I’m appending the scouting reports on new Warriors Moses Moody and Jonathan Kuminga.
But first, some highlights from the live Draft Thread.
Apricot's In-Draft Notes
7 hours 21 minutes 41 seconds but who’s counting
Pipe down in the back or I’m turning this site around and going back to the 2020 Draft
For your distraction: “Kings scouts reportedly expressed concern Thursday about character issues among the 2021 NBA Draft class after multiple prospects lied to them about being excited to play for Sacramento.” https://www.theonion.com/kings-concerned-about-character-issues-after-multiple-p-1847380933
[when Woj and Shams disagreed in which trade LAL was doing] Kuzma and Harrell will play with the Lakers weekdays and Wizards will get them on weekends plus holidays.
Nice going folks, we temporarily broke substack. Also, look, marching across the stage, there’s Jonathan Kuminga, on track to be the newest Warrior. [This is called foreshadowing, as this was before the draft started.]
Franz Wagner dressed like Gold Suit Guy, so that might be an omen
If you get too nervous, just remember that entropy means the universe eventually ends in uniform heat death
You aren’t missing much. I’m going to mute this ESPN show.
Yup, so far, 100% as predicted
Shams says TOR takes Scottie Barnes at #4
For 4 minutes and 59 seconds I get to use 5% of my brain to hope Suggs somehow falls to #7
NOOOOOOOOO Shame: ORL takes Suggs at #5
I meant Shams, but the typo is more correct
This is the big one. OKC #6 will determine the fate of the Warriors #7
OMFG [OKC takes Giddey #6]
Anyone for GSW besides Kuminga will be a shock now
Woj says that trade talks for Kuminga are dwindling, so GSW will keep him.
Still available from DNHQ Community Big Board Moody Dengue Bouknight Kispert K Jones C Duarte
Davion all but said he didn’t want to have anything to do with the Kings in his press conference. [SAC big-time saved GSW from having to consider Davion at #14.]
MEM really traded up to #10 to grab Ziaire… fascinating
Two more picks before GSW #14. Still available: Moody Sengun Duarte Kispert Jalen Johnson Kai Jones Trey Murphy
WHAT IN THE NAME OF QUACK IS GOING ON WITH THE SPURS? [SAS huge reach for Primo.]
ONE more pick before GSW #14. Still available: Moody Sengun Duarte Kispert Jalen Johnson Kai Jones Trey Murphy
IND takes Duarte??
GSW ON THE CLOCK FOR #14. Still available: Moody Sengun Kispert Jalen Johnson Kai Jones Trey Murphy
WOW DUBS GOT MOODY AT #7 AND KUMINGA FELL TO THEM AT #14!! [Warning: not literally true.]
Don’t know why Moses is getting up to shake hands w Silver, with his wingspan he can do it from his table
Sweet tribute to T Clarke
I like how Kuminga says GSW is the perfect team for him because… he could have gotten a lot more playing time with another team, so I appreciate the positivity
[On HOU draft] Green, Sengun, Garuba, Christopher, that’s a pretty nice haul
Don’t know about Dray’s scouting, but glad he seems to be on board with Kuminga’s selection.
Dub Nation Speaks
Doc (13 ♡):
2 wings. Most important position in league. Higher floor with Moody and higher ceiling with Kuminga. I love it. I’ve already formed an irrational emotional attachment to them and hope they aren’t traded for any of the talked about targets. Develop them. Develop Wiseman. Let’s not be in the lottery for the next 10 years. Have a chance to win it every single year.
crusty quips (11 ♡):
Almost as crazy is all of these Dub fans (not necessarily here at DHQ but throughout the fanbase at large) that seem confident that Wiseman will never be better than what we saw from him this past season. I'm personally as excited to see what he can give the team next year as either of these two picks, if we keep them.
Duby Dub Dubs (9 ♡):
Yeah, I know it isn't the loudest opinion out there, but I would much rather roll the dice on our in house talent if whatever big trade we pulled off didn't return a star. Beal is hella nice, don't get me wrong, I just think with what we were reportedly handing back felt like a painfully steep price
Captain Jack (9 ♡):
I know Wiggins is expendable with his contract but if he gets traded tonight along with Wiseman I'll be pretty bummed.
Andre SC (8 ♡):
One thing we know: No matter who the Warriors draft, or how low they were on Apricot’s draft tournament, Most folks on here will support them, hype them, and give them every benefit of the doubt when they put on that Warriors jersey.
Sleepy Freud (14 ♡):
Home fvcking run.
hammystyle (11 ♡):
Big picture - young wings on rookie contracts who can play now and/or have star potential are gold. From an asset perspective having one “best player in draft” gamble, plus a very safe floor/ceiling combo is like diversifying your portfolio in a way that creates a great baseline expected outcome, with HUGE upside.
Moving off the asset perspective, the best outcome of these guys can play together. They can both fit in perfectly with the Warriors core of today and whatever it will be five years from now.
Golden Gate Warrior (9 ♡):
Really cool insight from Eric Mussleman (Moody's coach at Arkansas) about utilizing a lot of Kerr's offensive schemes and Moody taking to it like a duck to water.
Talked about his character, how he is a no risk player etc etc - highly suggest searching for it.
Also cool that Coach Smart is on his staff....so lots of Norcal ties.
Mussleman actually mentioned how he was praying that other teams would pass on Moody so he could get to the Dubs - and that The Dubs were the team that did the most homework and thorough research of any of the NBA teams so he wasn't surprised how well they drafted.
Arash (7 ♡):
That's a collection of young talent that would be really nice for a lottery team, let alone for a contender!! Lets hope that all the player development coach additions pays off with our young players!!
Profile from Sports-Reference.com
Wizzy’s Comps. None
NBA Draft Room Comp: Shawn Marion+
Chad Ford: Of the players in the top 5, Kuminga is the biggest work in progress. The upside is enormous, but he’s a bigger risk than Cade Cunningham, Evan Mobley, Jalen Suggs or Jalen Green. Nevertheless, he has all the physical tools to make an impact in the NBA right now. If his shooting and on-ball defense come around, he could be a star. He has the most pure upside of any prospect in the draft.
Brian Shaw’s take (Kuminga’s G-League coach): “From a talent standpoint and an athletic standpoint, he to me was the most NBA-ready out of the guys that are in this class. Having the body, the athleticism, the strength. When you watch him, it maybe doesn’t look as smooth as Jalen on the offensive side. He’s efficient and he gets it done. He can score from all three levels. I think maybe the best two-way player in the draft. We put him constantly during the season on whoever was the head of the snake for the opposing team, regardless of position. So if we wanted to shut down the opposition’s point guard we could put him on it. He could switch on to bigger guys and be able to hold his ground. He reminds me a lot of Jaylen Brown when he was coming out of Cal. Same body type and athleticism, [Kuminga’s] a little bigger at 6-8. That’s probably the closest comparison I have on what type of player he projects to be.”
Sam Vecenie, The Athletic: Kuminga has many of the tools that NBA teams are looking for from their big wing creators. He’s an athletic wing with real shot-creation potential due to his body control and power. He’s a terrific driver who gets into the paint, and he plays really hard. He cuts well, and while he didn’t shoot it well this past season, I don’t think his shot off the catch is broken by any stretch. He also struggled a bit on defense within the construct of what the Ignite wanted to do as a team, but he has all of the tools you look for with a 7-foot-plus wingspan and real athleticism and strength. He averaged 16 points and seven rebounds in his first professional experience and profiles well as a starting wing with real All-Star upside if the shot comes around.
Kevin O’Connor, The Ringer: SHADES OF Danny Granger, Luol Deng, Jeff Green
Tantalizing athlete who has raw skills that need years of seasoning, but has every tool a patient team would look for.
Excellent physical profile with a large frame and elite athleticism.
Has elite defensive potential if he ever decides to lock in mentally and improve his fundamentals. Capable of someday shutting down smaller, quicker players if he decides to play with intensity.
Talented but raw shot creator with a fluid handle. Gets low to the floor and takes massive strides to get to the basket in one or two dribbles.
Flashes advanced shot-creation abilities with crossovers, spin moves, and hesitations; with his explosive athleticism, size, and strength, he could be a handful for any defense if his skills develop.
Good first-read passer. Can make simple dump-off passes to cutters or find the roller. Has intriguing potential as a screener who could score on the roll or locate open teammates with a pass.
Ambidextrous at-rim finisher.
Decision-making: He gets flustered when his first read isn’t available and ends up jacking a ton of contested shots instead of looking for a pass or creating a higher-quality shot for himself.
A ball stopper who needs to be better at playing within the flow of the offense.
Inconsistent shooter who’s never had good percentages despite looking comfortable and confident from deep range, both off the catch and dribble. Has subpar touch away from the basket.
Aloof defender who finds himself out of position on rotations and often doesn’t put in effort on rotations. Also bites on pump fakes.
Danny Granger, Luol Deng, Jeff Green
Hollinger, The Athletic: Kuminga is the next level of big wing shot creator in this class. Right now, he’s a good ways behind Cunningham and Barnes in terms of his ability to read the game and make plays for others, with a skill set more reminiscent of younger versions of Harrison Barnes or Andrew Wiggins.
In Kuminga’s G League stint, he showed the size and skill to dribble himself into pull-up 2s and occasionally make them. Unfortunately, he also revealed an almost unslakable thirst for this particular shot and an iffy ability to generate better ones.
Kuminga was an ineffective passer and, while a good athlete, doesn’t have the blow-by gear or wiggle that would allow him to generate easier opportunities than the ones for which he routinely settles. One area where he did seem very comfortable, however, was facing up a defender from the free throw line. From there, he could get to the basket with one dribble and finish with his size.
Kuminga has the size and lateral quickness to be the multipositional defender teams crave, (he’ll be at a disadvantage against the fastest guards … though, who isn’t?) but his instincts are miles behind. He also was a disappointingly poor rebounder for a player of this ilk. That said, he’s 6-foot-8 with some legit perimeter skill and will be one of the youngest players in the draft, with an October 2002 birthdate. (Yes, virtually every player in this draft was born this century. Sigh …. I know.)
Ht./Wt.: 6-8, 210. G League Ignite: 15.8 ppg, 7.2 rpg
Kuminga is one of the youngest players in this draft class but also one of the most physically ready for the NBA level. He led the inaugural Ignite team in rebounds, grabbing 93 boards in 13 games. He’s a ball-dominant wing who is great in isolation situations or when the shot clock is winding down. Kuminga will need to work on his shot selection at the next level, shooting only 25% from 3-point range and 39% from the field.
Boone, CBS: A hot start to the Ignite season thrust Jonathan Kuminga into the potential No. 1 pick discussion before fading down the stretch as his shooting fell back to earth and some of his offensive polish -- or lack thereof -- became more apparent. Kuminga's 6-8 frame and the fact that he won't turn 19 until October bodes well for projecting his game long-term, though, and if he develops a more consistent jumper he has the frame and physique to be a multi-time All-Star.
Jonathan Kuminga got off to a fast start in his G League career but then hit a bit of a wall and had some inconsistent play down the stretch. He finished the season with averages of 15.8pts, 7.2rbs and 2.7asts on less than stellar shooting slips of 39/25/63. He also averaged 2.6 turnovers per game while showing some of the inexperience and lack of polish we expected. He shows flashes of big time ability and has all the tools that scouts look for but his game is a still young and he has plenty of areas of improvement to work on.
He’s far from a finished product but the upside is tantalizing. His draft stock mostly comes down to whether or not you buy his outside shot and overall offensive development. He’s been mentioned all season as a lock for the top 5 but with so much talent at the top of this draft it’s possible he slides down a few spots.
Kuminga is the type of athlete that only comes a long every few years. He’s absolutely explosive off the floor and makes the rim look like a play-thing. He’s got a rock solid frame with elite quick-twitch athleticism.
His skill level is fairly advanced as well (but not yet polished), showing flashes of a really nice shot making and open court ball handling ability. At 6-7 and with that athleticism it’s really hard to guard him on the perimeter or block his shot. You have to respect his blow-by ability and so he’s able to find room to get his mid range or 3pt shot.
As his skill level develops and catches up to his athleticism, watch out! Kuminga could be a household name in a few years. He’s got the type of raw athleticism and strength that sets him apart from other prospects and is reminiscent of past high draft pick Shawn Marion but with more natural strength than Marion.
Kuminga is at his best when he puts his head down and goes to the basket, blowing by or overpowering defenders. At this point he’s more of a straight-line driver and isn’t the most creative ball-handler but considering his age he’s well on his way to developing his wing skills.
He’s also got a nice touch around the basket and can score in the post where he uses his elite athleticism to overpower defenders.
Isn’t yet a consistent 3pt shooter
Has to develop his feel for the game and making his teammates better
Needs to develop his ball handling and get more creative with his drives, since he won’t be able to overpower NBA defenders as much.
Isn’t a great FT shooter.
Shawn Marion with more bulk
bigger Jaylen Brown
NBADraft.net: NBA Comparison: Jaylen Brown
Strengths: Listed at 6’7 and 220 pounds, Kuminga is a physical force on both ends of the court … Freakish athlete with explosiveness, strength and great body control … He also has a solid skill set with the ability to handle and pass the ball … His forte appears to be on the less glamorous (defensive) end, where his quickness, strength and height can disrupt opposing wings and forwards … Kuminga has the build, speed and drive to defend positions 1-4 in the NBA … He can be used to limit a team’s primary scoring option, or as a versatile piece while switching during screens and other plays … While not a turnover forcing machine with just one steal per game, Kuminga should immediately become one of the better, more adaptable and skilled defenders in the NBA … His offensive game has similar intrigue, as he has a great handle for a player his size, and is adept at creating his own shot off of the dribble … The Elizabeth, New Jersey, native excels at driving to the rack, and can finish well in the paint, even when the defense collapses … Likes to work in the post, and can score easily especially against mismatches … Has a well-rounded offensive game, as he can knock down jumpers, penetrate and is a solid passer for his position…Is an elite transition player as well, because he has tremendous speed for his size, and out hustles other players, often leading to easy dunks … Solid scorer and rebounder, at 15.8 points and 7.2 rebounds per contest … Tremendous athleticism should raise both his floor and ceiling, and can help contribute to a greater offensive output until when/if his shooting ability develops … Is one of the youngest prospects in the draft, and is already competing at a high-level against very talented competition, and with an NBA ready body …
Weaknesses: Lacks consistency shooting … Kuminga is an incredibly talented player, and one with loads of potential, but the skill that will likely make-or-break him reaching that potential is how much he can improve upon his shooting consistency and range … He averaged just 24.6% from deep, and 62.5% from the foul line … Those numbers simply won’t cut it at the next level, and will severely limit Kuminga’s minutes and impact … Until he bumps those up, he may have to play more as a power forward, even if his best fit is at the small forward position … Lacked moves in the post, and often used the same spin move every time he got on the block … Kuminga needs more diversity in his post moves if he wants to score against bigger, stronger defenders … Can make difficult finishes, but sometimes botches easy ones … He needs to spend time developing his offensive game, as it is clear that checks every athletic and size box, but can look overwhelmed at times during games on offense … Turned the ball over as much as he assisted, and while he can make excellent passes, Kuminga also struggled with decision making …
Notes: Measured: 6’7 with a 6’11 wingspan and 217.2 lbs at the 2019 Nike Elite 100 camp …
Michael Hopp 7/13/21
Dean On Draft: Kuminga is the epitome of mystery box, as he has an excellent physical profile at aprpoximately 6’8″ with 7’1″ wingspan and good athleticism. For all intents and purposes he is a slightly bigger Jaylen Brown, and if he develops his skill level the sky is the limit for him.
The challenge for him is twofold. First, his skill level is not very good right now. He made just 24.6% 3P 62.5% FT in his G League stint, and has a loose handle that needs improvements.
He is listed as 18 not turning 19 until October. Based on that, he has reasonable odds of improving his skill set enough to be a Jaylen Brown-esque player in due time given his excellent physical tools.
But the second challenge is that it is not clear that he is actually 18 years old. He was born in Democratic Republic of Congo where only 25% of kids are born with birth certificates, and didn’t move to America until 2016 when he should have received advice to lie about his age to maximize his odds of an NBA future.
And there is a HUGE difference between 18 vs 19 vs 20, especially for a kid like Kuminga who you are betting on to make a major leap in skill level. So if he is 18, it is completely reasonable to take him in the #5-7 range as he is currently projected. But if he is 19, he takes a hit to his stock and perhaps belongs in the mid-1st. And if he is 20, he likely belongs in round 2. And if he is 21+, then he arguably does not deserve to be drafted.
Personally, I have no idea what the odds of each outcome actually are. Whatever NBA team that drafts him needs to be diligent on their intelligence regarding his age, because being wrong is very costly. For a quick and dirty estimate, let’s use Kevin Pelton’s draft pick value chart
If we say he should go #6 if 18, #15 if 19, #35 if 20, and #60 if 21+, and give 25% odds to each possibility, his respective values are 2110, 1240, 300, and 50 which average out to 925, or approximately the 21st pick in the draft.
Given that this draft is weak after the top 12, perhaps he can be bumped to the #15-20 range as a reasonable estimate. But that is pure guess work, as I have no clear info regarding his true age.
I don’t want to drop any hot takes about how he is not deserving of being drafted high, because it is unfair to him if his age is real and he gets punished for being born into a terrible situation that nobody would want to live through.
But at the same time, it would have been wise for him to lie about his age upon arrival in America, and if an NBA team is going to invest a top 10 pick in him, they should have a higher confidence in his youth than can be had based on available information.
Ultimately Kuminga is exceptionally difficult to value without any clear evidence regarding his age, and all that can be said is that he is extremely risky to take high lotto without any special intelligence that his age is likely accurate.
Profile from Sports-Reference.com
Per 40. Malik Beasley, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Cameron Thomas, Josh Okogie, Bradley Beal, Terrence Shannon Jr., Bryant Stith, Harold Miner, Andrew Wiggins
Advanced. James Young, Kevon Looney, Aaron Gordon, Jerami Grant, Keldon Johnson, Kevin Knox, Malik Beasley, Kelly Oubre, Trey Lyles
Jon Chepkevich: Statistical best comparisons are
NBA Draft Room Comp: Allan Houston
Kyle Boone, CBS Sports: With Stephen Curry still playing at an MVP level and Klay Thompson set to return next season, the Warriors would do well to add a high-level role player who can maximize this roster. Moody fits the mold. He's a 3-and-D talent who shot 35.8% from 3-point range on high volume (162 attempts) and who would give the Warriors' current backcourt a real boost with his shooting and ability to make an impact off the ball.
Jeremy Woo, SI. While a bad run in the NCAA tournament shouldn’t impact Moody unfairly, it did bring to light some of the primary concerns scouts have held surrounding his athletic toolbox and overall readiness for the NBA. Granted, he’s 18, so some of this is to be expected, but Moody’s efficiency can vary wildly from game to game as a player who’s heavily reliant on shooting jumpers to be effective. He has a good frame and looks the part, but he lacks the explosiveness and struggles to finish regularly in traffic. There’s appealing upside here and Moody had a solid freshman year on the whole. But his range looks more likely to be late-lottery and onward than top 10 at this point.
Sam Vecenie, The Athletic: The excitement surrounding Moody has dampened a bit following an inefficient NCAA Tournament, but I think some people are overthinking it. Moody is a terrific 3-and-D wing option with real size at 6-6 with a 7-foot wingspan. He is switchable on defense, with really good feet and a tough mindset. Offensively, he hits shots with a smooth stroke off the catch. He took a ton of contested shots this season as Arkansas’ go-to guy, which led to some of his inefficiencies. But he also showcased some difficult shotmaking ability, too, off the move. The big things to work on here are his passing ability and finishing — and he’s not a wild athlete by any stretch. But it’s tough to find teenagers who are this good at shooting and defending with a platform to improve his other aspects as well.
Kevin O’Connor, The Ringer: SHADES OF Mikal Bridges, OG Anunoby, Morris Peterson
Safe bet to be a productive player for years. His ceiling, however, is unknown.
Excellent physical dimensions. Uses his strong frame and long arms to alter shots as a help defender near the rim or harass opponents man-to-man on the perimeter.
Good stationary shooter, but needs to speed up his release on 3s off screens and handoffs.
Unselfish player who excelled in an off-ball role. Does a good job of reading the floor off the dribble to make simple passes using either hand. Has intriguing potential as a screener who can thrive on the short roll.
Capable of pulling up from midrange after one or two dribbles.
Anticipatory rebounder with a nose for the ball, especially on offense.
Versatile on-ball defender who invites contact from larger players and has the agility to contain smaller, quicker perimeter scorers.
Intelligent off-ball defender who always seems to be in the right position.
Struggled to generate open shots against better defenders. Doesn’t project as a primary scorer unless his handle dramatically improves, and lacks the fluidity of players who develop that skill.
Lacks a floater.
Draws a lot of fouls but doesn’t finish well inside. A below-the-rim finisher. Needs to add more touch on finishes.
Lives in the midrange off the dribble. Needs to extend his range to 3 to hit more one-dribble side-step shots like high-level role players can.
Hollinger, The Athletic: Watching Moody’s tape, the two things that immediately strike you are that 1) he has a really good chance of carving out a career as a plus 3-and-D guy, and 2) he has fairly little chance of popping as anything more than that.
Moody has good size and length at 6-foot-6 with a 6-foot-11 wingspan and a smooth outside shot. His 3-point rate wasn’t off the charts, however, as he didn’t show the kind of ability to run off screens and fire on the move that you’d want to see from a high-level gunner. He also rarely gets to the basket and doesn’t wow you with athleticism.
Where he did show well is on the defensive end. While he wasn’t disruptive off the ball, he gets in a stance, slides his feet and uses his length to distract shooters. He’s also young even for a freshman, and has some instincts as a scorer, so there’s a chance some untapped upside remains.
He shapes up as a high-floor, low-ceiling type in spite of his youth, one who makes for a good pick around this point in the draft.
Dean On Draft: (#12) Moody is a prototypical 3 + D prospect, as he made 35.8% 3P and 81.2% at age 18, as he turned 19 recently in late May. He complements this with a 7’0.75″ wingspan that should help him hang defensively in the pros.
He is fairly limited as a shot creator, but he does have some interesting perks to his game. He is a good offensive rebounder (6.3%) for a SG, he has low turnover rate and about a 1:1 assist:TOV. And he has a surprisingly high FT rate for a non-creator at 0.482– higher than all of Cade Cunningham (.39), Jalen Suggs (.367), and Scottie Barnes (.339). This makes him both an effective spacer and efficient overall offensive player.
If there is one gripe to be had is that he uses his length surprising not well to generate steals, as he had a disappointing 1.6% steal rate– easily the lowest of Arkansas’s top 6 players. This leaves some questions about how much D he actually comes equipped with, but nevertheless he has an easy path to useful role player.
Dub Nation Speaks
belilaugh on Jun 23:
A couple random Moody facts:
NBA combine was today and the official measurements were taken. Moody has a +8.5 wingspan compared to his height without shoes, truly has freakish arms. Below is his placement among other guys with freak wingspans (holy shit THT) although it should be noted that this had assumed he was +8.25 and not +8.5. Kelly Oubre also has a +8.5, and no matter what you think of him everyone agrees his arms are absurdly long and help him have defensive versatility.
Also at today's combine his hand length measured 9 inches and his hand width measured 10 inches, both tops among all players in the combine 6'6 or shorter (also had the highest standing reach of that pool). The guy has big hands.
Also, people call Moody a "3 and D" guy and low upside, but how many guys have this polished of a footwork game at age 18 in college? Was Klay doing this back then (perhaps he was, I didn't watch him in his freshman season at Washington State)?
Moody averaged 6 free throws a game as a freshman, that's not common for "3 and D" guys. Klay took 1 a game as a freshman (upped it in future seasons), Middleton around 2, Danny Green never got to the line too much, etc. I think Moody would be a pure 3 and D guy next season, but I think he has serious secondary scoring option potential down the line once as he works on some of his weaknesses (like finishing, shout out Klay).
Some of these 3 and D guys like Mikal Bridges are pretty stationary (although Bridges is obviously way more athletic), whereas Moody's film shows a guy who has high movement shooting potential imo.
Moody averaged 7 rebounds per 40 minutes, those arms of his help him get to a lot of loose balls. You can also find multiple incidents of him diving on the floor for them, he's a competitor.