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Old news but can anyone explain why GP2 got a tech when the crazed opponent head butted him?

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Also, why is a headbutt, even if it wasn't that forceful, not a flagrant vs. just a tech?

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I think he didn’t make contact. It looked like he was trying to make GP2 flinch and Payton just stood there like an unconcerned badass

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Ahhh I need a bigger TV...

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I guess. He was staring. Looking at another player is taunting, I guess. In Junior High School. Still think this is a dumb call.

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He was staring the guy down and scratching his head... it was a deserved tech.

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JTA: 1 assist, 2 turnovers, 4 fouls, 15 minutes

JK: 3 assists,1 turnover, 3 fouls, 15 minutes

And that also ignores JTA almost turning the ball over multiple times down the stretch, including a slow floater of a pass thrown way up court that became a 50/50 ball Steph saved, and a handoff that got blown up so badly Steph had to race the defender into the backcourt to barely save it. JTA can be a great player without a doubt. But given that it was pretty hard to see what JK did to get pulled from the game three minutes into the second half, it's easy to imagine JK getting instantly pulled out of the game after any of those plays.

Worries me a little bit that they're building up JFK's expectations ("you're going to start and fill in for Draymond!") and then holding him to an absurdly different standard than the players who replace him.

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Sounds like there is something to this, but he did have a couple of awkward landings and looked to be carrying a niggling injury. Maybe as simple as some extra rest?

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I like to think of it as Kerr tinkering for the real season to come (I desperately have to think that way!)

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Jan 22, 2022·edited Jan 22, 2022

Ok so I was actually thinking about this too 😂

I've been thinking about the lineup choices last night from the coaches' long term perspective.

Bjelica is still getting killed on defense, and teams are seeking him out like he's wearing a hat that says "free points just above this hat." But the whole team's shooting has been slumping, and you don't want to remove him from the lineup before he gets a chance to play the homestand and get his legs back. I think if they limit his role at all (which is tough with Dray out), it will be in the second half of this homestand after he's gotten a chance to get out of his shooting slump and hopefully make some defensive adjustments. If he gets back on track, he'll still be worth playing, and he does look a lot better on defense next to Draymond.

Poole almost never played the ends of close games to start the season (unlike last season, where he looked pretty good in the clutch). It may be they just want to give him a chance to finish games while they're looking at new lineups. Maybe they're just trying to get him going in general in his new role off the bench, and closing is a good way to communicate they're still expecting a lot from him?

GP2 was looking dominant, no idea why they wouldn't be playing him more.

And then JK getting pulled out of the game comes down to how much he was falling short of what they asked him to do. Which I don't feel confident in my ability to assess. (Maybe it's just as simple as a short leash has worked so far, so why not keep the accountability high?)

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Jan 21, 2022·edited Jan 21, 2022

Slater had something on Twitter on the play right before JK got pulled. Perhaps JK made other mistakes but this one seemed minor.

To me, JK was indecisive in the help and got caught basically doing nothing, but it was a breakdown before any of the footage even started. I don't know what happened at the start of the play but Klay was on Goga and Looney was at the top of the arc...

https://twitter.com/anthonyVslater/status/1484602678491553794?cxt=HHwWhICpwaaRr5opAAAA

Eric: I know losses are hard, but perhaps an E1P for the defense that led that IND run?

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Losses are usually interesting, but I don't bother making E1P for losses now because (1) traffic is 10% that for wins and (2) I can barely keep up with the wins, so I need the break.

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Very good reasons 👍

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Jan 21, 2022·edited Jan 21, 2022

Yep, that bad double team was one of my theories of what the coaches didn't like when I was going through play by play in the last thread. (JK needed to get out from behind Klay and close off the easy pass or else the double team is way too easy to beat, right?)

Also I want to make it clear from my last post, I'm definitely not ruling out the possibility that JK was actually screwing up the whole defense and/or offense, but my BBIQ is too basic to catch what he was doing wrong. If anything that's probably the most likely reality 😂

I'll echo you that I'd love an E1P of what went wrong in any part of this game, because for me last night was the first slightly worrying loss of the season -- opponent on a back to back, Warriors at home and already one game into the homestand, Steph with a big game. Not to mention the trend (I think it's a trend now?) of Warriors having a really hard time getting any offense at the end of a one possession game, no matter how many tries they get.

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What mostly went wrong is that the non-Steph players made 3 of 26 3pt shots or around 12%. If they shoot 15% they win in regulation.

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That's definitely the main reason why we lost but I think a few of us are just curious why JK got pulled so early.

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too many bad three pt shooting nights means offense not getting in rhythm

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Yeah the Steph record, COVID and injury impacts, adding Klay has impacted a rhythm for sure. There has been a lot going on for the team. I think in another month we settle back in just fine (with or without Dray). Just need some consistency of personnel and roles

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Jan 21, 2022·edited Jan 21, 2022

Agreed, the whole thing goes away if they have a normal shooting night. That said, isn't the whole team's shooting also on a pretty dramatic ~20 game slump from the beginning of the season?

(And if you want to try to win a game on a night when shots aren't falling, don't you want the coaches to put in players who score inside at a high rate, like GP2 and Kuminga?)

I'm hoping we end up calling this "the whiffle ball game" and it turns out it took the Dubs an extra game at home to get their legs back after the tough stretch of road trips.

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Jan 21, 2022Liked by punk basketball

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I will delete this message when they are sold. Peace, WGG

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bummer, I wish I could. I still haven't been to Chase yet

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Whoa! Get Triple Dub to the Greek, I mean Chase!

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Ahhhh! I wish.

Hope all things go ok with the family.

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That's a sweet deal for someone!

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I may be bit of a Mavs fan after Cuban released his online pharmacy. It is truly criminal what people are charged. Hope it helps. https://costplusdrugs.com/

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Thank you for this.

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Nice.

My dad who has been in US only for last three years and has insurance gets exasperated every time he sees a bill with $2000 at the top and $100 "patient due" at the bottom. "What cheats", he says 😃. I have stopped explaining to him how it works.

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On that gut level, he’s right

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Draymond wasn't at the arena, right? Because I think that game in particular really needed Dray's in your face fire.

Apparently, Kerr said he benched Kuminga for being undisciplined? But where's the accountability for Wiggins being in a fog all game? For Curry not once, but twice, forgetting about the inbounder and giving up a wide open 3.

Is Kerr too scared to call out his vets? We all know Draymond would say it to their faces.

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Let me get this straight: You think Steph Curry hasn’t earned more of a benefit of a doubt than a 19-year-old rookie starting his 4th game? Okayyyyyyy

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True. But I guess Steph and to a certain extent Wiggs have earned the right to have moments of mental mistakes after years of playing at high level.

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For the record, though I liked Duarte as an immediate rotation piece for the Warriors, I preferred JK, and preferred Moody to both lol.

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because I thought we needed more immediate help and having 2 first round picks I was disappointed when Duarte went at 13

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Jan 21, 2022Liked by Daniel Hardee

Well done Daniel Hardee. This write-up is truly an example of making lemonade from lemons. As I was extremely down from a crushingly disappointing loss you actually got me to 'pull my head out' and learn something. Thank you.

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Happy to help! What'd you learn? That DNHQ has a bunch of geniuses in the community? ;)

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I guess I learned that you can lean on your community to be there when you are down.[reaches for a tissue and takes a big breath] Thanks buddy.

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Jan 21, 2022Liked by Eric Apricot

I looked back at one of the close games where the Warriors did foul when they were up three. It was the 10/21 game against the Clippers earlier this season. After Curry hit two FTs to put the Warriors up 115-112, Looney fouled Zubac with 3.7 seconds left to go. Zubac hit the first FT, missed the second, and Paul George got the offensive rebound, but he didn't have time to score and the Warriors won.

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Yes, you can still lose by fouling, but from the studies I’ve seen, statistically it is WAY better to foul

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Yea and I just think of it this way. If you don't foul, the other team just needs to do one thing: make one shot. If you foul, they need to do at least three things: make a FT, get a rebound or force a TO, make another shot.

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Jan 21, 2022·edited Jan 21, 2022

Re-watch this until 7 pm today

https://www.instagram.com/p/CY-u7W_LWF5/?utm_medium=copy_link

GP2 thinks the game was Head scratcher too😆

https://www.instagram.com/warriors/p/CY-uYo-PGkk/?utm_medium=copy_link

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Jan 21, 2022·edited Jan 21, 2022

Coaches, especially Coach Kerr needs rest too. Keep the # 2 seed( until All star week). We don’t want coaches make mental mistakes in game #7 playoffs 😱

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That final play of game 6 2019 Finals was a head scratcher for me

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My guess is that the Dubs drop below Memphis and Utah in February

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I am curious- why do you think they will stay in this slump? Is it more believable to you than the majority of the season thus far?

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The majority of the season was with Draymond and there's good reason to believe he's not playing in February so it's not a wild opinion.

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Is there good reason to believe that? My understanding is it's totally up in the air whether he'll be back in early February, and really the whole month is in play for his return.

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There's good reason to believe a lot of those possibilities I'd say. Missing all of February doesn't sound unrealistic to me though considering the general 6 week timeline I was reading about for the PT. Maybe his case isn't as severe or he has access to better PT and it'll be less. Or maybe he'll need surgery and it'll be more.

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After this game, Warriors offensive efficiency has fallen to #11. It feels like their offensive efficiency in the past several games without Draymond has fallen to bottom 10 in the league or something.

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I think we're at #14 now (in Points per 100, anyway). And the last 3 games have been pretty bad: 95, 106.3, 107.4 -- those numbers would put us in the bottom 5.

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we are actually in a three-way tie for 11th-13th at 110.3 points per 100 (aka Offensive Rating or ORTG)

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/advanced/?sort=OFF_RATING&dir=-1

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Jan 21, 2022·edited Jan 21, 2022

Interesting. Is bballref doing something different? They have us at 110.6 per100. Same number of games...

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2022.html#all_per_poss_team-opponent

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Unfortunately the absence of Draymond has also coincided with the rough re-integration process with Klay. They were rolling in that Chicago game, a 78 point first half.

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a number of things all happening at once: Steph dipping, Dray gone, Klay integrating, Wigs + JP3 adjusting to Klay. Each of these elements may correct in next 4-6 weeks

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I'm going to propose something crazy: Last night's game was actually pretty exciting, especially considering how close they came to winning when the shots of everyone but Steph were completely broken. To me, regardless of who they were playing, there were some good things to focus on. JK was a big part of it, and I understand the frustration about him not coming back. They needed him badly.

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I liked watching JK get to the line in the first quarter. That was refreshing.

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Yeah. I feel like he could have done that all game.

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Amid all the talk of the dubs players and team being trash now, I'm pretty excited that Steph's shot came back in a big way. He looked great last night. That may matter to me more than an isolated team victory right now.

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aside from a couple of bunnies he didn’t shoot, agree

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Jan 21, 2022Liked by punk basketball, Daniel Hardee

Kuminga and Duarte have a lot of interesting parallels. Let's take a look.

Duarte grew up in the Dominican Republic and moved to upstate NY at age 18 to finish (or re-do?) two years of high school at a sports-focused boarding school. At age 20 he went to Northwest Florida State (a 2 year school) to improve his basketball and English. At 22 he switched to Oregon and had a solid two years there. Finally at age 24 he enters the NBA draft this year and goes to Indiana.

Kuminga grew up in the Congo. He moved to the US at age 14 and went to three different high schools (in West Virginia, NY, and NJ) as he developed his basketball experience. The first and third of these were basketball focused boarding schools. Instead of senior year of high school, at age 18 he joined the G League Ignite. Drafted by the Dubs, he turned 19 in October of 2021.

With the Pacers Duarte fairly quickly got incorporated into the team's system. This year he's played in 38 games, started 26, and has played over 1100 minutes. He's averaging over 16.8 minutes per 36 minutes played and has been developing into a decent defender. Not ROY but a very good rookie.

As we all know, Kuminga has been brought along more slowly (4 starts in 33 games played, 389 total minutes). He's at 19.8 points per 36 minutes. Both offense and defense have been choppy but improving steadily.

Comparing these two guys is rough. Duarte is 5 years older and has 4 years of college hoops under his belt. He has gotten way more playing time with the Pacers and appears to be a solid up and coming NBA player.

Both of these International guys have had unusual journeys getting to the NBA. They both separated from their families fairly young, and have been deep inside the world of basketball youth talent development. For Duarte, this started at 18. For Kuminga at 14! Duarte probably had some semblance of real college experiences at NWFS and Oregon, but who knows. Probably never been to Indiana before moving there to play for the Pacers.

Kuminga is still basically a kid, separated from his family for 5 years and tossed around on the whims of the basketball gods. Why did he go to three different high schools in three years? Was he able to develop those great youthful friendships that we all remember fondly? Challenging when you move every year. In the last few years, he's been on the road with the G League and the Dubs, and also has had to deal with the isolation of Covid. I know we have crazy high hopes dreams and expectations for kids like Kuminga, but put in the context of his youth, immaturity, and personal experience of the last 5 years and I'm utterly amazed that he's progressed as far as he has. He has precious little formal education. He has no long term friends to lean on. Hopefully his family has come from the Congo to give him some stability. When we talk about him being a project for the Dubs, it isn't just about basketball. He needs a father, mother, brother, sister, and best friend or three and he's had to find those after having moved to San Francisco in August and playing full time pro NBA. I'm rooting for him and I really hope the Dubs are investing in Kuminga as a human being as much as they are as a basketball player.

Back to Duarte - sure either of these guys are projects in different ways, though at age 24 Duarte has a lot more life & basketball under his belt. I think Kuminga will develop into a more significant talent and impact player than Duarte over time. But at this point I think more - much much more - will depend on his development as a person, emerging from childhood, than on honing his basketball skills. But I'm rooting for him!

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I’m thinking growing up in the Congo in the mist of Civil War might impinge on a young man’s growth and development mentally.

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Great perspective and thanks for sharing. I love reading these back stories (and would welcome anymore!). We sometimes forget these players are humans too.

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Great read, Richard and makes we wish we had Duarte even more, I couldn’t understand all the media talk about him being too old, orgs miss out on winners all the time by sticking to “conventional wisdom”

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Frustrating on so many levels. Beaten by an inferior team after playing terrible and still having a chance. I’m just a fan and still upset about it. If I were a coach or player on that team I would not be fun to be around right now.

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I'm also not fun to be around right now even though I don't coach or play for the Warriors,

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It’s funny (no, not this loss) but what keeps me watching this team obsessively is the emotional intensity of most of their games win or lose, watch other games around the League and few rise to the level of being Playoffish and even some of those only in the 4th quarter, one possible explanation for 5 straight Finals aside from talent is the fact that our core guys (of which there are now fewer) have always taken winning/losing pretty damn seriously and play a lot of these high intensity games all season long, those Pacers players just got an idea of what it takes to win an NBA playoff game and that is definitely what their coach is telling them in the locker room

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I am still angry as well. This is the first, and hopefully the last time I feel this way this season. I can't go through my days pissed off like this.

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It’s moments like these that I continually remind myself : it’s just a game, played by millionaires, for billionaire orgs

And save my anger say for oil companies ongoing sabotage of earth or people’s voting rights being restricted - that shit ruins my day

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Oh, and when you have the Ghost of Turnovers Past making repeat appearances throughout the game, you are going to lose.

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