He's got to be able to be an average or better 3P% shooter. If that piece is there, I think he's got the IQ, the confidence and will compete enough on D to be a good player. Whether that's as backup PG, or combo guard doesn't really matter.
The simple answer is NO. The reasons are what many of the posters have been giving, he is not a PG, and there are many areas of his game that need development. The only reason he got so many minutes was because of injuries and the lack of bodies to put a uniform on. Hell, you could ask any player to stand in at pg, but we need someone who understands the game, executes, and has a track record, college or NBA, that is worthy of backing up a player like Curry. If Curry gets injured again, then what??
Center and PG will be two prime spots the Warriors will hunt for. Let Poole play in the gleague, get coaching and confidence, and also a decent haircut. It can do wonders for a player.
"Center and PG will be two prime spots the Warriors will hunt for. "
Nah.
Starting center and the wings are the prime spots the Warriors need to hunt for. The biggest talent deficit we have compared to teams of year's past is on the wings.
Unfortunately, with the assets we have and the way the draft projections are shaking out, seems like addressing the wings will be pretty tough this offseason...
Here's the thing: ideally the warriors would add players that fill the following roles from the previous era: Bogut, Iggy, Sean. We know Ender won't be anywhere near what KD was, but if he can contribute like Barnes did then we can try to get back to a strength in number approach (the thing that made me love this iteration of the warriors anyway).
Bogut clone is not happening. Hoping for someone who, when platooned with Chriss and a (hopefully healthy) Looney, can give the W's what they need depending on the opponent/game situation.
Iggy replacement also not happening (even if we got Iggy himself back right now, he isn't nearly as good as he one once was) because there's almost no one in the league like him. Again hoping they replace him by committee with some combo of players (GR III+JTA+ someone better than both) who, again will make it work by committee.
That leaves us with Sean. Cook didn't get it done. Evans didn't get it done. Can Mulder/Poole maybe do enough?
There are a LOT of unanswered questions (and that's assuming Steph, Klay, Dray and Ender all live up to expectations): can Looney get healthy? Is Chriss' last 2 month performance for real or a fluke? Will EP continue his growth and improve his defence? etc. And we don't have a ton of tools to use to address all the concerns. We have a very high 1st round draft pick, a couple low 2nd rounders, the TPE from Iggy, and the taxpayer MLE + veteran minimums. It would really help the W's if Poole and Mulder could combine to replace Sean to some extent. Then the warriors could use their resources to try to maneuver for the missing Iggy and Bogut replacements which we definitely don't have.
To me the story of Poole hasn't been written yet. He clearly wasn't getting it done early but he sure looked to be putting it together towards the end. The are soooo many examples of players who needed a year or even 2 to be able to play at the NBA level. I can't say for certain that Poole will be one of those, but if he can continue his upward trajectory, a whole lot of things get better for the W's so I have my fingers crossed.
I think Poole has been looking natural on the ball since the DLo trade. There have been moments where I've been impressed by his vision and passing on both the fast break and in the half court. He's had some nice bounces passes and kickouts in the last few weeks, so it's not just simple passes along the perimeter. He's also improved on that floater enough that it's opened up his dribble drives to the rim more as his herky jerky dribble drives get defenders to bite on the floater.
Of course, the elephant in the room is his jump shooting inefficiency, though it was trending upwards until the season got canned. The real test of his work ethic is gonna be now and the summer and how/if he improves his 3pt shot. I'd like to see him hit 35% 3pt next year.
Not sure what to make of defense since the team defense sucks so much that not even Draymond Green can make it league average. All I know is Poole's a 20yo rookie and at least has some physical tools with his 6'6.75" wingspan and athleticism.
All that said, Poole on the roster shouldn't stop the Warriors from hunting for a backup PG this offseason.
I want neither Poole nor Bowman to be trusted as the 2nd string PG going into next year. I'd like to pick up a veteran PG, with maybe the only exception being if the Warriors end up drafting Anthony Edwards.
Jeff Teague is a free agent this summer and my be the best free agent veteran point guard the Dubs could afford. I personally like the idea of him being included with the first round pick and another player/2nd round pick for a trade to Orlando for Aaron Gordon and their 2020 first round pick.
Agreed on every point. They should absolutely not depend on him (getting a real backup pg should be a priority), but can give him the long break to work on his shot and reevaluate him in different roles early next season.
I think we've already found his role. Poole is a a modern day NBA guard, aka a combo-Guard. He's a little small to be a true wing, but he seems to have decent enough handles and passing to run some point.
Getting his jump shot to something playable is the #1 priority for Poole. There's no role for Poole in the NBA if he's shooting sub-30% from 3pt.
At least with Poole, he was trending upwards with his shot before the season got canned. So in this moment, I don't feel resigned to Poole shooting this bad forever like I was with Jacob Evans, who even in the G-league couldn't buy a bucket from deep.
Yeah, I guess I mean evaluate him in different roles on the team, as in can he distribute with the second unit, does he come in for just a few minutes a game and spot up to help with spacing, etc. How does he work with Steph or Klay, how much does he hurt the perimeter defense, and is he better than any other option we pick up before next season. More specific team role, not archetype.
If you could sign Kyle Korver with the MLE, that would be a better choice for backup SG even at age 39. Wes Matthews has a player option for 2020 which he might well decline, and he would be a better option at SG as well. And then, of course, there is Alec Burks. He isn't even as good as Ky Bowman as a backup point guard, and that's a really low bar, but he has a much better chance of sticking there as the 3rd option as there aren't many quality backup PG's available as free agents.
Do u even watch basketball at all? Kyle korver wasnt even a good defender in his prime talkless of at 39. How many 3s is he going to make to counterract the points he will give up ?. A backcourt of poole and korver will be something to watch.. Once steph and klay sit, kerr eould just throw in the towel... Warriors fans are really delusional..
I wan't suggesting Poole and Korver in the backcourt, I was suggesting that if the Warriors need a backup SG when Thompson sits, there are free agent options available that are better than Poole, including Korver whose defense is weak (but not as bad as Poole) but who can still hit 40% of his 3s on volume shooting. The topic is where does Poole fit in on a championship roster. The Warriors aren't going to find a backup SG that is both an elite shooter and an good defender for the amount of money they have available to spend. No such player exists.
Poole is not a shooting Guard. He has since been converted to PG.. we alreay have mulder who plays good defense and shoots 3s well enough.. at least better than Ian Clark... i believe mulder in his small sample size played better defense than clark too but is somehow limited in size. Going with the big guard/ small guard dynamic, we need a big PG.. one of the reasons i fell drafting halliburton may be great.. but we dont expect a 19yr old rookie to contribute especially if the 20yr old predecessor took some time to mature and isnt wven ready but maybe halliburton can be a ja morant type of rookie..I think his defense is good and the shot though it looks wierd still goes in. Knowing steve kerr, he wouldnt really care about the form as long as he makes it at a high clip..Korver and poole combo is a defensive disaster
There probably aren't many warriors fans who would want to see Korver playing defense for the dubs after years of watching him get targeted and exploited by almost every player on the warriors' roster.
He definitely wasn't good enough that his presence should prevent the Warriors from pursuing a potential upgrade at backup PG, and it's very hard to judge a rookie being forced into a role in the bizarre situation that was the '19-'20 Warriors. That said, I *really* liked what I saw from him when he was at PG. His passing and vision was *so* much better than I could have anticipated, and he both got to the rim and finished surprisingly well. If the shot returns to where he can be playable off-ball (which, that's what he did at Michigan, right?), then he could push for a solid rotation role next year.
The trouble is the defense his still pretty bad when he is playing PG. He his young enough and has enough size that that could and should improve, but it needs to improve a lot.
His offense too isnt playoff compatible but thanks to chris he has improved from that abysmal level he was drafted with to passable..I think warriors will keep him based on his improvemnts for the 3rd unit and groom him into a backup in a few years..we have 3 more seasons of surefire steph after which its all klay's show..
This question seems hopelessly premature. I'm rooting for Poole, but the Ws are still figuring out how long it will take him to be a reliable NBA player. Sadly, I'm not sure how long Golden State can wait. Steph is 32, with Klay and Draymond a couple of years behind. The time to win is now (i.e. when things resume next season). I don't think they have the luxury of waiting 4-5 years for someone to blossom. They can have a few young guys, but they need guys they can count on for a deep playoff run. Can he be one of them?
Maybe. It's hard to judge him on his 20 year old season, especially with the lack of surrounding talent forcing him into a role that isn't consistent with what he'd be asked to do for a contender. I wouldn't mind losing him in pursuit of more established NBA talent, though.
Hell no.. even Quinn Cook flamed out in the finals and cook is 1000% better than Poole. Poole doesnt even understand how to run warriors offense and his defense is horrible.. Hell no.. I dont trust him as much as i distrust his jumpshot.warriors should look for a backup PG in free agency. POOLEwas drafted as a shooter and it took the F.O just a few months to realise he isnt a shooter.
He's got to be able to be an average or better 3P% shooter. If that piece is there, I think he's got the IQ, the confidence and will compete enough on D to be a good player. Whether that's as backup PG, or combo guard doesn't really matter.
The simple answer is NO. The reasons are what many of the posters have been giving, he is not a PG, and there are many areas of his game that need development. The only reason he got so many minutes was because of injuries and the lack of bodies to put a uniform on. Hell, you could ask any player to stand in at pg, but we need someone who understands the game, executes, and has a track record, college or NBA, that is worthy of backing up a player like Curry. If Curry gets injured again, then what??
Center and PG will be two prime spots the Warriors will hunt for. Let Poole play in the gleague, get coaching and confidence, and also a decent haircut. It can do wonders for a player.
"Center and PG will be two prime spots the Warriors will hunt for. "
Nah.
Starting center and the wings are the prime spots the Warriors need to hunt for. The biggest talent deficit we have compared to teams of year's past is on the wings.
Unfortunately, with the assets we have and the way the draft projections are shaking out, seems like addressing the wings will be pretty tough this offseason...
Poole isnt a SG either. Warriors dont even see him as a shooter anymore..
Here's the thing: ideally the warriors would add players that fill the following roles from the previous era: Bogut, Iggy, Sean. We know Ender won't be anywhere near what KD was, but if he can contribute like Barnes did then we can try to get back to a strength in number approach (the thing that made me love this iteration of the warriors anyway).
Bogut clone is not happening. Hoping for someone who, when platooned with Chriss and a (hopefully healthy) Looney, can give the W's what they need depending on the opponent/game situation.
Iggy replacement also not happening (even if we got Iggy himself back right now, he isn't nearly as good as he one once was) because there's almost no one in the league like him. Again hoping they replace him by committee with some combo of players (GR III+JTA+ someone better than both) who, again will make it work by committee.
That leaves us with Sean. Cook didn't get it done. Evans didn't get it done. Can Mulder/Poole maybe do enough?
There are a LOT of unanswered questions (and that's assuming Steph, Klay, Dray and Ender all live up to expectations): can Looney get healthy? Is Chriss' last 2 month performance for real or a fluke? Will EP continue his growth and improve his defence? etc. And we don't have a ton of tools to use to address all the concerns. We have a very high 1st round draft pick, a couple low 2nd rounders, the TPE from Iggy, and the taxpayer MLE + veteran minimums. It would really help the W's if Poole and Mulder could combine to replace Sean to some extent. Then the warriors could use their resources to try to maneuver for the missing Iggy and Bogut replacements which we definitely don't have.
To me the story of Poole hasn't been written yet. He clearly wasn't getting it done early but he sure looked to be putting it together towards the end. The are soooo many examples of players who needed a year or even 2 to be able to play at the NBA level. I can't say for certain that Poole will be one of those, but if he can continue his upward trajectory, a whole lot of things get better for the W's so I have my fingers crossed.
I think Poole has been looking natural on the ball since the DLo trade. There have been moments where I've been impressed by his vision and passing on both the fast break and in the half court. He's had some nice bounces passes and kickouts in the last few weeks, so it's not just simple passes along the perimeter. He's also improved on that floater enough that it's opened up his dribble drives to the rim more as his herky jerky dribble drives get defenders to bite on the floater.
Of course, the elephant in the room is his jump shooting inefficiency, though it was trending upwards until the season got canned. The real test of his work ethic is gonna be now and the summer and how/if he improves his 3pt shot. I'd like to see him hit 35% 3pt next year.
Not sure what to make of defense since the team defense sucks so much that not even Draymond Green can make it league average. All I know is Poole's a 20yo rookie and at least has some physical tools with his 6'6.75" wingspan and athleticism.
All that said, Poole on the roster shouldn't stop the Warriors from hunting for a backup PG this offseason.
I want neither Poole nor Bowman to be trusted as the 2nd string PG going into next year. I'd like to pick up a veteran PG, with maybe the only exception being if the Warriors end up drafting Anthony Edwards.
Jeff Teague is a free agent this summer and my be the best free agent veteran point guard the Dubs could afford. I personally like the idea of him being included with the first round pick and another player/2nd round pick for a trade to Orlando for Aaron Gordon and their 2020 first round pick.
Agreed on every point. They should absolutely not depend on him (getting a real backup pg should be a priority), but can give him the long break to work on his shot and reevaluate him in different roles early next season.
I think we've already found his role. Poole is a a modern day NBA guard, aka a combo-Guard. He's a little small to be a true wing, but he seems to have decent enough handles and passing to run some point.
Getting his jump shot to something playable is the #1 priority for Poole. There's no role for Poole in the NBA if he's shooting sub-30% from 3pt.
At least with Poole, he was trending upwards with his shot before the season got canned. So in this moment, I don't feel resigned to Poole shooting this bad forever like I was with Jacob Evans, who even in the G-league couldn't buy a bucket from deep.
Yeah, I guess I mean evaluate him in different roles on the team, as in can he distribute with the second unit, does he come in for just a few minutes a game and spot up to help with spacing, etc. How does he work with Steph or Klay, how much does he hurt the perimeter defense, and is he better than any other option we pick up before next season. More specific team role, not archetype.
Agreed he needs to come in shooting at least the way he was at the stop of the season. If he's back to early rookie efficiency they can't play him.
If you could sign Kyle Korver with the MLE, that would be a better choice for backup SG even at age 39. Wes Matthews has a player option for 2020 which he might well decline, and he would be a better option at SG as well. And then, of course, there is Alec Burks. He isn't even as good as Ky Bowman as a backup point guard, and that's a really low bar, but he has a much better chance of sticking there as the 3rd option as there aren't many quality backup PG's available as free agents.
Do u even watch basketball at all? Kyle korver wasnt even a good defender in his prime talkless of at 39. How many 3s is he going to make to counterract the points he will give up ?. A backcourt of poole and korver will be something to watch.. Once steph and klay sit, kerr eould just throw in the towel... Warriors fans are really delusional..
I wan't suggesting Poole and Korver in the backcourt, I was suggesting that if the Warriors need a backup SG when Thompson sits, there are free agent options available that are better than Poole, including Korver whose defense is weak (but not as bad as Poole) but who can still hit 40% of his 3s on volume shooting. The topic is where does Poole fit in on a championship roster. The Warriors aren't going to find a backup SG that is both an elite shooter and an good defender for the amount of money they have available to spend. No such player exists.
Poole is not a shooting Guard. He has since been converted to PG.. we alreay have mulder who plays good defense and shoots 3s well enough.. at least better than Ian Clark... i believe mulder in his small sample size played better defense than clark too but is somehow limited in size. Going with the big guard/ small guard dynamic, we need a big PG.. one of the reasons i fell drafting halliburton may be great.. but we dont expect a 19yr old rookie to contribute especially if the 20yr old predecessor took some time to mature and isnt wven ready but maybe halliburton can be a ja morant type of rookie..I think his defense is good and the shot though it looks wierd still goes in. Knowing steve kerr, he wouldnt really care about the form as long as he makes it at a high clip..Korver and poole combo is a defensive disaster
Watch your tone. Keep it respectful.
There probably aren't many warriors fans who would want to see Korver playing defense for the dubs after years of watching him get targeted and exploited by almost every player on the warriors' roster.
He definitely wasn't good enough that his presence should prevent the Warriors from pursuing a potential upgrade at backup PG, and it's very hard to judge a rookie being forced into a role in the bizarre situation that was the '19-'20 Warriors. That said, I *really* liked what I saw from him when he was at PG. His passing and vision was *so* much better than I could have anticipated, and he both got to the rim and finished surprisingly well. If the shot returns to where he can be playable off-ball (which, that's what he did at Michigan, right?), then he could push for a solid rotation role next year.
The trouble is the defense his still pretty bad when he is playing PG. He his young enough and has enough size that that could and should improve, but it needs to improve a lot.
His offense too isnt playoff compatible but thanks to chris he has improved from that abysmal level he was drafted with to passable..I think warriors will keep him based on his improvemnts for the 3rd unit and groom him into a backup in a few years..we have 3 more seasons of surefire steph after which its all klay's show..
This question seems hopelessly premature. I'm rooting for Poole, but the Ws are still figuring out how long it will take him to be a reliable NBA player. Sadly, I'm not sure how long Golden State can wait. Steph is 32, with Klay and Draymond a couple of years behind. The time to win is now (i.e. when things resume next season). I don't think they have the luxury of waiting 4-5 years for someone to blossom. They can have a few young guys, but they need guys they can count on for a deep playoff run. Can he be one of them?
Maybe. It's hard to judge him on his 20 year old season, especially with the lack of surrounding talent forcing him into a role that isn't consistent with what he'd be asked to do for a contender. I wouldn't mind losing him in pursuit of more established NBA talent, though.
Hell no.. even Quinn Cook flamed out in the finals and cook is 1000% better than Poole. Poole doesnt even understand how to run warriors offense and his defense is horrible.. Hell no.. I dont trust him as much as i distrust his jumpshot.warriors should look for a backup PG in free agency. POOLEwas drafted as a shooter and it took the F.O just a few months to realise he isnt a shooter.