I wonder if Jay Huff will take a 2 way contract. If not Kaminsky looks like the only big man option left on the FA market that would make sense for us. Winslow and JTA would be good options too as far as wings goes. After that I'd rather take a chance on an undrafted guy TBH.
Huff on a 2-way would be awesome. We've had great luck with another G-League DPOY. I'd guess a lot of teams would offer him a 2-way, so maybe he's waiting on a full contract and if not, then whichever 2-way might offer the best path.
In the interest of Chris Paul acceptance should we cook up a list of opponents that we would love to see him deliver his legendary coup de grace to in the Blue and Gold and rank them?
[Wojnarowski] Detroit Pistons F/C Isaiah Stewart has agreed on a four-year, $64 million rookie contract extension, his agent Drew Gross of @RocNationSports tells ESPN. Stewart gets the first non-maximum extension for the 2020 draft class.
[Michael Scotto] Sources: The Milwaukee Bucks signed Khris Middleton to a three-year, $102 million deal, which includes a player option for the 2025-26 season, $93 million fully guaranteed and another $9 million in bonus incentives, @hoopshype has learned.
D'Angelo Russell's new two-year contract with the Los Angeles Lakers is guaranteed for $36M, a league source told @spotrac. The second season is a player option. Russell has $700K in incentives in each season of the deal. In addition, Russell waived his implied no-trade clause.
Lakers will be under the luxury tax limit this year :( And it seems like they have lots of exceptions to go above the minimum if they so choose to (e.g. to outbid other teams).
I'm fine with Chris Paul the player. I do believe there are situations and lineups where he can definitely help. However, not thrilled with the small-ball lineups with Chris and Steph. I can see how they may be effective offensively, but will that outweigh the back court being exposed on the other end. What I see is more of a trade off and less of a distinct advantage. Additionally, not fond of the shared minutes with Chris and Draymond. I keep trying to imagine Draymond without the ball. Kind of like imagining Draymond without a microphone and opinion. Hard to see. As before, high IQ, they will create advantages out of nothingness. But will it hum? Will it present a distinct advantage on both sides of the ball? Curry 34, Draymond 32 & Paul 30 minutes average per game ballpark guess. There is a lot of overlap and we better get used to Paul being in the closing lineup more often than not. Not to be a nay-sayer, but this isn't the Warrior's formula. I get the feeling Kerr's rotations this year may end up being more about managing personalities and resumes than managing positional advantages. I don't envy his job this year.
> > I get the feeling Kerr's rotations this year may end up being more about managing personalities and resumes than managing positional advantages.
>That was last year too
Difference is Kerr could ignore the requests or unhappiness of very young players and cozy up with the core and Anthony Lamb, because, except for GMs and talent evaluators, most league observers (like most posters here) would just assume Kerr is right (for example, they'd assume Kerr sees stuff in practice that justifies Kerr's decision). But if a HoF player, who has joined teams before and massively increased their success, is unhappy with his role, the league isn't going to just side with Kerr. It'll be split. And thus, if CP3 is visibly or publicly unhappy, it could mean that after every game Kerr and Klay and Steph and Dray are gonna be asked about Chris Paul. That gets old fast. So Kerr will either have to persuade CP3, accommodate him, or get MJD to trade him.
Yes, hard for me to see a lot of things with Paul on this team other than the tangible financial benefit of his expiring contract. Maybe him unlocking JK and the second unit actually does happen. But my heart still clings to the hope that we will move him at some point for a deal that gets us that "distinct advantage on both sides of the ball" without having to squint so hard to see it.
Yea Paul at 30 minutes/game is so high. Agree that he is more redundant with the core than synergistic. I mean, putting Paul in would mean taking out... Looney? Klay?
Where Paul would really shine is making that second unit killer. Like, Paul + Bench probably > Steph + Bench. But... is he ready for that Iguodala role?
That was a great clip. I though5 the most interesting thing in it was him talking about selling Šarić Warriors culture, play style and how he fits. Clearly, there’s more to his job than saying “Here’s an offer for a minimum contract. Hope no one offers you more.”
There is also "You will get a lot of minutes as we are thin at 5, there is as good a chance at a championship here as anywhere and that will pay dividends when you negotiate your next contract". I'm sure Saric would rather have a bigger, longer term deal but apparently vet mins were the only thing he was being offered right now.
Did you get his analogy with the restaurant stuff? Cause I didn't. I think he was trying to be relatable with his analogy but it just came off as really disconnected to most his audience to me 😂
How many of us at dubnation eat at the French laundry whenever we are in the mood just cause 😂
Without going too far down the butterfly effect rabbit hole, I’d think our chances with Hali would’ve been better, even without Wiseman and Moody. We theoretically would still have Kuminga because of the Minny trade.
Two of the brightest stars from that draft were Edwards and Haliburton and it sounds like Kerr had a positive impact on both of their careers without even coaching them.
But not how to develop youngsters... just sort of forces them to fit into his preconceived mold of what he thinks should happen. Like, hypothetically, if Lacob had forced him to draft Haliburton instead of Wiseman, Kerr would have made him COMPLETELY rework his fugly jumper and probably ruined his shot. Instead, Haliburton has been with great developmental coaches who've let him flourish.
By the way, I'm willing to concede that since the DH is now a thing in both leagues, your thesis may have a little tiny bit more to it than it would have say, 10 years ago.
I am just shocked at how quickly kids can pick stuff up. My perfectionist 8 yr old daughter was down on herself for not being able to shoot. I got her a slightly smaller ball, and she kept practicing, and now she's winning games of HORSE. My son is going to be a better shot than me soon.
Yeah it’s actually the little things that i cant get through to them like teamwork. I usually play my two girls and the youngest one’s best friend and they can’t score on me (i just shoot outside shots never drive). Used to tell them there is no reason why they should ever lose if they work together. That concept finally clicked and they beat me for first time but camp defn helped with that
[Bontemps] Victor Wenbanyama is officially done for the rest of Summer League, sources confirmed to ESPN, after he bounced back from a rough opening game Friday against Charlotte with a stellar 27-point, 12-rebound performance Sunday against Portland. @mikefinger was first with the news.
Lester hasn't entered into his 2-way contract yet. Shutting him (or Gui) down might be perceived as trying to bury his opportunity to compete for a full roster spot.
> Smailagic scored Santa Cruz’s final four points, including a driving dunk with 32 seconds left, to lift the Warriors to a 113-109 win. As fans filed toward the exits, one turned toward his friend and remarked, “I think we just saw the next Nikola Jokic.”
great callback! The FO was kinda naive back then... David Grif(ter)fin called their bluff. This reminded me to check what became of the two future SRPs (2021 and 2023) he finessed from the Warriors.
- 2021 (#47): david johnson (currently in Toronto's G-League)
Its not them im worried about. There are players on the margin’s who are trying to showcase their grit and hustle to overseas and or g league scouts. These are the players im worried about. Yes i understand preseason and regular season will always carry risks but not quite to this extent IMO. I think summer league is a showcase of sorts not for regular playing time but for 14,15th roster
That’s nice to worry about them, but Podz and TJD, and maybe LQ, are all going to be on the 15 man roster. That makes getting them reps in the Warriors’ system, as well as seeing what they’ve got to work with, the top priority in my book.
Yeah... unlike VW, Podz is NOT expected to play and learn in the NBA this year, and he needs to play as much as he can to learn what will work against bigger/stronger competition. SL, while imperfect, is a good learning opportunity for him.
It's nothing like the gleague for learning the system and your place in it. SL is meaningless if you don't shoot and score well. No one is learning much, imo.
I think he's wrong lol. Podz *could* be more impactful if his shot shows up, but that's still an open question and arguably (if you want to worry about small sample sizes) more of a question than it was when the W's drafted him. Until then, it's wild to think a rookie will be more impactful than any decent vet except for specific circumstances
Figures...Just when we pick up CPAUL, the NBA delivers a flopping rule....lol Harden is about to lose half of his game, also...
I wonder if Jay Huff will take a 2 way contract. If not Kaminsky looks like the only big man option left on the FA market that would make sense for us. Winslow and JTA would be good options too as far as wings goes. After that I'd rather take a chance on an undrafted guy TBH.
Huff on a 2-way would be awesome. We've had great luck with another G-League DPOY. I'd guess a lot of teams would offer him a 2-way, so maybe he's waiting on a full contract and if not, then whichever 2-way might offer the best path.
Leonard miller 20 points 2-4 from 3 smh I think he's gonna haunt a lot of teams, could end up being a smoother siakam
Made no sense how far he fell in the draft
Yeah, he’s the one I really wish we drafted over Podz.
In the interest of Chris Paul acceptance should we cook up a list of opponents that we would love to see him deliver his legendary coup de grace to in the Blue and Gold and rank them?
I love this idea! Some opponents I'd love to see this for, placed in a rough order:
1) Lebron
2) LBJ
3) Bron
4) James
You're sure you don't want to drop James down a notch to make room for LeGM?
Oof, yeah that's a miss on my part :)
one coup de paul for the man who tried to trademark taco tuesday, please
I remember him delivering one to Durant so maybe he’d actually do it!
[Wojnarowski] Detroit Pistons F/C Isaiah Stewart has agreed on a four-year, $64 million rookie contract extension, his agent Drew Gross of @RocNationSports tells ESPN. Stewart gets the first non-maximum extension for the 2020 draft class.
Also, Pistons get to keep their guy who is willing to take on Lebron.
https://www.reddit.com/r/warriors/comments/14wamxg/agness_glenn_robinson_iii_shared_that_he_plans_to/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
GR3 anyone?
Too soft for my tastes. Doesn't rebound or pass very much. If we want a forward, promote Gui.
love this dude.
Funny- I was thinking about him as a possible addition the other day. Dude's only 29.
There's a surprising amount of great (and heartwarming) information at that reddit.
Sure bring him to training camp. Exhibit 9 or 10 (I don't remember the difference). Not ready to give a full contract.
[Michael Scotto] Sources: The Milwaukee Bucks signed Khris Middleton to a three-year, $102 million deal, which includes a player option for the 2025-26 season, $93 million fully guaranteed and another $9 million in bonus incentives, @hoopshype has learned.
https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto/status/1678512492664827906
He's paid less than FVV?!
FVV is a team leader.
Well, most of the salary cap money is going to Giannis, so…
D'Angelo Russell's new two-year contract with the Los Angeles Lakers is guaranteed for $36M, a league source told @spotrac. The second season is a player option. Russell has $700K in incentives in each season of the deal. In addition, Russell waived his implied no-trade clause.
https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1678540588126466049
Lakers will be under the luxury tax limit this year :( And it seems like they have lots of exceptions to go above the minimum if they so choose to (e.g. to outbid other teams).
I'm fine with Chris Paul the player. I do believe there are situations and lineups where he can definitely help. However, not thrilled with the small-ball lineups with Chris and Steph. I can see how they may be effective offensively, but will that outweigh the back court being exposed on the other end. What I see is more of a trade off and less of a distinct advantage. Additionally, not fond of the shared minutes with Chris and Draymond. I keep trying to imagine Draymond without the ball. Kind of like imagining Draymond without a microphone and opinion. Hard to see. As before, high IQ, they will create advantages out of nothingness. But will it hum? Will it present a distinct advantage on both sides of the ball? Curry 34, Draymond 32 & Paul 30 minutes average per game ballpark guess. There is a lot of overlap and we better get used to Paul being in the closing lineup more often than not. Not to be a nay-sayer, but this isn't the Warrior's formula. I get the feeling Kerr's rotations this year may end up being more about managing personalities and resumes than managing positional advantages. I don't envy his job this year.
> I get the feeling Kerr's rotations this year may end up being more about managing personalities and resumes than managing positional advantages.
That was last year too
> > I get the feeling Kerr's rotations this year may end up being more about managing personalities and resumes than managing positional advantages.
>That was last year too
Difference is Kerr could ignore the requests or unhappiness of very young players and cozy up with the core and Anthony Lamb, because, except for GMs and talent evaluators, most league observers (like most posters here) would just assume Kerr is right (for example, they'd assume Kerr sees stuff in practice that justifies Kerr's decision). But if a HoF player, who has joined teams before and massively increased their success, is unhappy with his role, the league isn't going to just side with Kerr. It'll be split. And thus, if CP3 is visibly or publicly unhappy, it could mean that after every game Kerr and Klay and Steph and Dray are gonna be asked about Chris Paul. That gets old fast. So Kerr will either have to persuade CP3, accommodate him, or get MJD to trade him.
Yes, hard for me to see a lot of things with Paul on this team other than the tangible financial benefit of his expiring contract. Maybe him unlocking JK and the second unit actually does happen. But my heart still clings to the hope that we will move him at some point for a deal that gets us that "distinct advantage on both sides of the ball" without having to squint so hard to see it.
Truth is, no one knows what Kerr has prepared for him and the team. I expect nothing less than efficiency and strong support for the bench.
I doubt Paul plays more than 20-25 mins/game and maybe 60 games in the regular season.
I do.
Yea Paul at 30 minutes/game is so high. Agree that he is more redundant with the core than synergistic. I mean, putting Paul in would mean taking out... Looney? Klay?
Where Paul would really shine is making that second unit killer. Like, Paul + Bench probably > Steph + Bench. But... is he ready for that Iguodala role?
well, Andre (rather notably) closed games
he was also wing sized instead of small guard sized
Here’s Mike Dunleavy on the Warriors’ center spot. He said they may add size in either last spot or two-way, but Dario Saric filled frontcourt need.
“We gotta be careful with the way we play just bringing in somebody who is tall. You gotta be skilled. You gotta have feel.”
https://twitter.com/anthonyVslater/status/1678531278193455104
Gui?
Don't need to sign another wing, MDJ is ready to be the 15th man - he's younger than udonis haslem
Who is MDJ?
Mike Dunleavy, Jr. He's saying our GM can still play.
Yes but Haslem is undead.
Can the embodiment of heat ever die until the universe collapses into a sea of entropy?
😲 Wow, that's deep! 😳
Thank you for the compliment :) It came from 2 beers and too much casual science talk after work haha!
nice, so you're calling the Heat falling to Warriors (beautiful chaos) in the Finals. Let's go!
https://youtu.be/hC5gETS_xfI
(apologies for bumbling ham-handedly into your metaphor)
That was a great clip. I though5 the most interesting thing in it was him talking about selling Šarić Warriors culture, play style and how he fits. Clearly, there’s more to his job than saying “Here’s an offer for a minimum contract. Hope no one offers you more.”
There is also "You will get a lot of minutes as we are thin at 5, there is as good a chance at a championship here as anywhere and that will pay dividends when you negotiate your next contract". I'm sure Saric would rather have a bigger, longer term deal but apparently vet mins were the only thing he was being offered right now.
That sounds right, although your point about a shot at a ring could sway him over getting a bit more than vet min to play with a crappy team.
Nick U’ren has been hired away from the warriors front office to be the GM for the Phoenix Mercury by Matt Ishbia.
https://www.espn.com/wnba/story/_/id/37990838/sources-mercury-hiring-warriors-executive-nick-uren-gm
Nick was who suggested starting Andre Iguodala in the 2015 finals:
https://www.si.com/.amp/nba/2015/06/12/warriors-steve-kerr-nick-uren-andre-iguodala-andrew-bogut-nba-finals-cavaliers
WOW. That’s a big loss for us. Kudos to Nick for taking the next step in his career though. Big time!
Congratulations to Nick!
It used to be that we would laud the culture for growing these people and helping them get these bigger roles…
Why JJ Has Talked Himself Into Chris Paul On The Warriors | JJ Redick: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXD__ES-lsY
Did you get his analogy with the restaurant stuff? Cause I didn't. I think he was trying to be relatable with his analogy but it just came off as really disconnected to most his audience to me 😂
How many of us at dubnation eat at the French laundry whenever we are in the mood just cause 😂
Yeah honestly it wasn’t as good as he normally is, 🤷♀️
You're being kind ... it was awful.
It had the feel of podcast put out because they had to put out a podcast.
https://twitter.com/PodcastPShow/status/1678498072970788867
Man...
What could (and should) have been. Maybe we never win the title last year though if they drafted him. That's my only consolation.
Without going too far down the butterfly effect rabbit hole, I’d think our chances with Hali would’ve been better, even without Wiseman and Moody. We theoretically would still have Kuminga because of the Minny trade.
Seems like Kuminga and Wiseman are a type. The team that took Hali would probably have taken Wagner too.
Oh boy, Hali and JK would be a fun second timeline
That Steve Kerr guy might know a few things.
Two of the brightest stars from that draft were Edwards and Haliburton and it sounds like Kerr had a positive impact on both of their careers without even coaching them.
Although he's about to coach both.
But not how to develop youngsters... just sort of forces them to fit into his preconceived mold of what he thinks should happen. Like, hypothetically, if Lacob had forced him to draft Haliburton instead of Wiseman, Kerr would have made him COMPLETELY rework his fugly jumper and probably ruined his shot. Instead, Haliburton has been with great developmental coaches who've let him flourish.
You either didn’t click the link, or you’re joking, but I honestly can’t tell.
Why not both?
Apparently, I've lost the ability to distinguish between satire and if people are being earnest.
DFiB would have definitely been using the sarcasm font if it existed here.
Regarding Front Office and coaching stuff with the Warriors, I'm about ready to just throw my hands up and say none of us know anything.
Nihilist!
Say what you will about Steve Kerr, at least he has an ethos.
Nihil ex nihilo
Asher, the Giants drafted another two-way player, so between Eldridge and Crawford, maybe your thesis will be tested locally...
Which thesis? I have so many
That folks might have an idea on how to replicate Ohtani's success. The giants now have a second two-way player
That there should be more Ohtanis.
By the way, I'm willing to concede that since the DH is now a thing in both leagues, your thesis may have a little tiny bit more to it than it would have say, 10 years ago.
I'm signing up my kids for a 3-day basketball camp. So excited!
Good decision. Had one of my girls in basketball camp and another one in beginner volleyball camp. Well worth the cost.
I am just shocked at how quickly kids can pick stuff up. My perfectionist 8 yr old daughter was down on herself for not being able to shoot. I got her a slightly smaller ball, and she kept practicing, and now she's winning games of HORSE. My son is going to be a better shot than me soon.
Yeah it’s actually the little things that i cant get through to them like teamwork. I usually play my two girls and the youngest one’s best friend and they can’t score on me (i just shoot outside shots never drive). Used to tell them there is no reason why they should ever lose if they work together. That concept finally clicked and they beat me for first time but camp defn helped with that
[Bontemps] Victor Wenbanyama is officially done for the rest of Summer League, sources confirmed to ESPN, after he bounced back from a rough opening game Friday against Charlotte with a stellar 27-point, 12-rebound performance Sunday against Portland. @mikefinger was first with the news.
https://twitter.com/timbontemps/status/1678480056904204288
"Victor Wembanyama is officially done..."
Geez. Am I only one who read this and for a moment feared he had been 2022 Chet Holmgren'd?
That body- those legs aren't twigs. I know that. Still, how can I not worry?
This is what every team with a 1st round pick needs to start doing. Id shut down Podz and even Lester
Lester hasn't entered into his 2-way contract yet. Shutting him (or Gui) down might be perceived as trying to bury his opportunity to compete for a full roster spot.
This had me flash back to when the Warriors shut down Smailagic at the G-League Showcase in 2018 lol.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/warriors/article/Meet-the-player-the-Warriors-don-t-want-you-to-13718636.php
Bonus, this incredible paragraph from the story:
> Smailagic scored Santa Cruz’s final four points, including a driving dunk with 32 seconds left, to lift the Warriors to a 113-109 win. As fans filed toward the exits, one turned toward his friend and remarked, “I think we just saw the next Nikola Jokic.”
great callback! The FO was kinda naive back then... David Grif(ter)fin called their bluff. This reminded me to check what became of the two future SRPs (2021 and 2023) he finessed from the Warriors.
- 2021 (#47): david johnson (currently in Toronto's G-League)
- 2023 (#49): Emoni Bates (Cavs two-way)
I'll remember how excited Smiley was about everything (https://youtu.be/FwUUFtSKtaQ), dunking on Lebron (https://youtu.be/ivot8bKfixM), and that sub-rim dunk (https://youtu.be/DDqWIEyTaKw). Hahaha, well at least he's still playing ball out in Europe.
https://youtu.be/U7CL7sIuyvg
Bates looks like he could be the steal of the draft. We'll see.
If the Warriors still had pick #49, they might have just taken TJD there and kept Baldwin. Not sure though.
What an awesome article!
Why? VW is key to San Antonio not really worth risking him. Nothing changes for the Ws w/o Podz and/or LQ if they get injured. Let them play!
Its not them im worried about. There are players on the margin’s who are trying to showcase their grit and hustle to overseas and or g league scouts. These are the players im worried about. Yes i understand preseason and regular season will always carry risks but not quite to this extent IMO. I think summer league is a showcase of sorts not for regular playing time but for 14,15th roster
Spots, 2 ways, g league, overseas
That’s nice to worry about them, but Podz and TJD, and maybe LQ, are all going to be on the 15 man roster. That makes getting them reps in the Warriors’ system, as well as seeing what they’ve got to work with, the top priority in my book.
These are not the players they would be necessarily playing with if they see playing time. They know who Lester and Gui are but not Podz and TDJ.
Podz needs as much playing time as he can get.
Yeah... unlike VW, Podz is NOT expected to play and learn in the NBA this year, and he needs to play as much as he can to learn what will work against bigger/stronger competition. SL, while imperfect, is a good learning opportunity for him.
It's nothing like the gleague for learning the system and your place in it. SL is meaningless if you don't shoot and score well. No one is learning much, imo.
FWIW, Jason Timpf keeps saying Podz will be more impactful than DDV on offense this season. 🤷🏼♂️
How is Kerr going to greenlight him? Look who is in front of him for playing time and devlopment.
I think he's wrong lol. Podz *could* be more impactful if his shot shows up, but that's still an open question and arguably (if you want to worry about small sample sizes) more of a question than it was when the W's drafted him. Until then, it's wild to think a rookie will be more impactful than any decent vet except for specific circumstances