I briefly scanned the headline and thought this was merely a discussion of what nickname we should use for Wiseman, so was late to the party. Holy shit was I wrong. Great work 3D; you crunched a lot of data into meaningful analysis and this was really well-written. I hope the W’s data people are doing similar work and coming to the same conclusion.
James Wiseman missed a test during the All-Star break, so wasn't available to practice for the Warriors tonight in Los Angeles. Steve Kerr said he "doesn't know" what that means for Wiseman's availability vs Clippers tomorrow
After that Miami game where he rested, Draymond shot (6/16=)38% from three over the next 7 games. Only around 2 attempts per game, but an excellent percentage for him.
Are we 100% sure he can't get back to being a 30+% three point shooter in the second half of the season? It's been three seasons since he hit that mark.
BRs latest gem - Warriors to be aggressive w/Trades.
By ‘aggressive’ I can only imagine they mean waiving Brad, fluke a signing of a veteran BU PG who can have an immediate impact (not sure that’s possible), and call the Bucks to see if Giannis available
Thanks D-Cubed, good article and liked the metrics.
Do you think moving JW to the second unit and lack of play making within this unit has impacted his ability to get efficient shots? I guess at this early stage he can only play within the environment he is placed into?
More pick n rolls, pick n pops, less post ups, let him spot up and bring the big out the paint, let's have him develop a pump fake drive to the rim for closing out bigs
The problem with any evaluation right now is that he is a 19 years old who missed almost of year of playing in a team environment. He has so much room to grow but of course it's going to take time. He is playing against skilled grown men for the first time but he has the tools. It will come down to work ethic which the team believes he has a great deal of combined with his gifted athletic ability. This isn't just about Curry's and Klay's prime years but also about having a player to build around after them. The hope of course is that they can take advantage of both with Wiseman. This offseason is going to be huge in answering that question because that is when players improve and develop their game. He appears to be mature, smart and driven to do so.
Still struggling with the developing Wiseman mindset being a useful one to the development of winning basketball habits in Wiseman. If Kobe had to earn his playing time but Wiggins and KAT didn’t, is it wise to just play start a minus player to “develop” him? Does it actually lead to future winning habits? I propose that history across sports indicates working to earn your starting spot by adding value to winshares is a far more effective development method than starting a young player over better alternatives. And playing Green and Looney at the 5 are clearly both better alternatives towards playing winning basketball right now.
> but can they cook the rawness out of his game in time to matter?
Alright, let's not eff-around guys, time to put Wiseman in the Instant Pot...
I'm excited to see what the next half of the season will look like, not just for Wiseman but the entire team. I think this is the only real practice time they've had since the start of the season, right?
One move that I remember being impressed by was this fake dribble handoff in the season opener against the Nets (https://youtu.be/7L8Wd6TMyeE?t=37 ). I think you want to get a guy like him into situations where he can take advantage of his elite speed for the center position.
But I also don't blame the Warriors for trying to station him closer to the rim. Quite frankly, he looks soft, and looks like he wants to be a guard. Perhaps the best way to beat that out of him is to force him to play like a big man. Eventually, you can expand his game toward the stuff he's good at, but right now he desperately needs to work on his rebounding, as Kerr mentioned before the break.
At the same time, they might want to run a few more Curry pick and rolls with him or with Draymond and him lurking around the basket to try to get him some easy points for the sake of his confidence, because he doesn't look like he's having a good time out there.
The non-traditional part of of JW at this point is that his 3 point shot is good enough that the defenders have to honor that shot, just like all of the top centers in the league not named Golbert.
Yes, he fouls too much but at least half of that is the rookie whistle. His post up game will improve to elite as everything slows down for him but that isn't going to happen this season. Like his issues catching the ball, it takes work.
Look for a bit more P&R in the second half, more time in the dunkers spot, a few blowout games for him to find rhythm and some post season experience.
When this season started I thought we needed to be 20-20 after 40 games to make a push for the 6th spot. This team has occasionally boosted those expectation but we are really a 5-6 place team in the west that can beat any of the top 4 teams in a series but not quite strong enough to make a run.
As much as we talk about Wiseman, our ability to get passed the 1st round this year is more about Wiggins improving his offensive efficiency, Oubre stepping up his leadership on the second team, Pascale's knee letting him elevated again and Poole/Manion pushing Wanamaker into the deep bench.
Yes, and thank you, again, for the amazing data! I’d love to see the Warriors help Wiseman develop. I think they can do better by him. Maybe hook him up with Bogut or another mentor so he can work one-on-one. Or is that Zara’s role.
I don't know, I can be pretty patient. At the very least I'd rather wait until Thompson comes back before making any major moves unless the Warriors can somehow turn Wiseman, draft picks, and matching salaries for a current superstar with 2+ years left on their contract. Let's say, for example that if Wiggins+Wiseman+picks == James Harden, (as much as I dislike his style) then sure, the Warriors would have done it, but there are rarely players like Harden on the market.
Regarding passing on LaMelo, of every player available he was the one I rejected the most because of his idiot dad, whom I thought would be too big a burden to bear. Significantly, I don't think I've seen a single word out of Lavar to this point. Had I known that prior to the draft...I wonder how much that figured into them passing on him.
3D, I would say that the size is there and the tools need developing. But, I'm always thinking that the big man is really an afterthought in Kerr's system and it won't change this season. Next season? I think there is reason to feel there may not be one in GoldenState for JW. I think teams will try to go for him in the off season and there may be a very worthwhile trade waiting to happen. I really don't feel the Dubs are committed to him at this point if he can bring a player(s) that fits into our system better. Things could be worse than keeping him. He's a project and who knows what the future will bring. It's a good problem to have, I think.
I briefly scanned the headline and thought this was merely a discussion of what nickname we should use for Wiseman, so was late to the party. Holy shit was I wrong. Great work 3D; you crunched a lot of data into meaningful analysis and this was really well-written. I hope the W’s data people are doing similar work and coming to the same conclusion.
Oh noooo
> @anthonyVslater
James Wiseman missed a test during the All-Star break, so wasn't available to practice for the Warriors tonight in Los Angeles. Steve Kerr said he "doesn't know" what that means for Wiseman's availability vs Clippers tomorrow
Something I didn't notice but is true:
After that Miami game where he rested, Draymond shot (6/16=)38% from three over the next 7 games. Only around 2 attempts per game, but an excellent percentage for him.
Are we 100% sure he can't get back to being a 30+% three point shooter in the second half of the season? It's been three seasons since he hit that mark.
BRs latest gem - Warriors to be aggressive w/Trades.
By ‘aggressive’ I can only imagine they mean waiving Brad, fluke a signing of a veteran BU PG who can have an immediate impact (not sure that’s possible), and call the Bucks to see if Giannis available
Thanks D-Cubed, good article and liked the metrics.
Do you think moving JW to the second unit and lack of play making within this unit has impacted his ability to get efficient shots? I guess at this early stage he can only play within the environment he is placed into?
Kerr just needs to use wiseman more effecienctly.
More pick n rolls, pick n pops, less post ups, let him spot up and bring the big out the paint, let's have him develop a pump fake drive to the rim for closing out bigs
The problem with any evaluation right now is that he is a 19 years old who missed almost of year of playing in a team environment. He has so much room to grow but of course it's going to take time. He is playing against skilled grown men for the first time but he has the tools. It will come down to work ethic which the team believes he has a great deal of combined with his gifted athletic ability. This isn't just about Curry's and Klay's prime years but also about having a player to build around after them. The hope of course is that they can take advantage of both with Wiseman. This offseason is going to be huge in answering that question because that is when players improve and develop their game. He appears to be mature, smart and driven to do so.
Still struggling with the developing Wiseman mindset being a useful one to the development of winning basketball habits in Wiseman. If Kobe had to earn his playing time but Wiggins and KAT didn’t, is it wise to just play start a minus player to “develop” him? Does it actually lead to future winning habits? I propose that history across sports indicates working to earn your starting spot by adding value to winshares is a far more effective development method than starting a young player over better alternatives. And playing Green and Looney at the 5 are clearly both better alternatives towards playing winning basketball right now.
> but can they cook the rawness out of his game in time to matter?
Alright, let's not eff-around guys, time to put Wiseman in the Instant Pot...
I'm excited to see what the next half of the season will look like, not just for Wiseman but the entire team. I think this is the only real practice time they've had since the start of the season, right?
And in related big-man development news, here's some Smiley GL playoff highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmwSBCRnYyE
One move that I remember being impressed by was this fake dribble handoff in the season opener against the Nets (https://youtu.be/7L8Wd6TMyeE?t=37 ). I think you want to get a guy like him into situations where he can take advantage of his elite speed for the center position.
But I also don't blame the Warriors for trying to station him closer to the rim. Quite frankly, he looks soft, and looks like he wants to be a guard. Perhaps the best way to beat that out of him is to force him to play like a big man. Eventually, you can expand his game toward the stuff he's good at, but right now he desperately needs to work on his rebounding, as Kerr mentioned before the break.
At the same time, they might want to run a few more Curry pick and rolls with him or with Draymond and him lurking around the basket to try to get him some easy points for the sake of his confidence, because he doesn't look like he's having a good time out there.
The non-traditional part of of JW at this point is that his 3 point shot is good enough that the defenders have to honor that shot, just like all of the top centers in the league not named Golbert.
Yes, he fouls too much but at least half of that is the rookie whistle. His post up game will improve to elite as everything slows down for him but that isn't going to happen this season. Like his issues catching the ball, it takes work.
Look for a bit more P&R in the second half, more time in the dunkers spot, a few blowout games for him to find rhythm and some post season experience.
When this season started I thought we needed to be 20-20 after 40 games to make a push for the 6th spot. This team has occasionally boosted those expectation but we are really a 5-6 place team in the west that can beat any of the top 4 teams in a series but not quite strong enough to make a run.
As much as we talk about Wiseman, our ability to get passed the 1st round this year is more about Wiggins improving his offensive efficiency, Oubre stepping up his leadership on the second team, Pascale's knee letting him elevated again and Poole/Manion pushing Wanamaker into the deep bench.
Yes, and thank you, again, for the amazing data! I’d love to see the Warriors help Wiseman develop. I think they can do better by him. Maybe hook him up with Bogut or another mentor so he can work one-on-one. Or is that Zara’s role.
Personally, I don’t think it’s at all clear that Ball would have been a better pick, and I’m very glad we took Wiseman.
I don't know, I can be pretty patient. At the very least I'd rather wait until Thompson comes back before making any major moves unless the Warriors can somehow turn Wiseman, draft picks, and matching salaries for a current superstar with 2+ years left on their contract. Let's say, for example that if Wiggins+Wiseman+picks == James Harden, (as much as I dislike his style) then sure, the Warriors would have done it, but there are rarely players like Harden on the market.
Regarding passing on LaMelo, of every player available he was the one I rejected the most because of his idiot dad, whom I thought would be too big a burden to bear. Significantly, I don't think I've seen a single word out of Lavar to this point. Had I known that prior to the draft...I wonder how much that figured into them passing on him.
3D, I would say that the size is there and the tools need developing. But, I'm always thinking that the big man is really an afterthought in Kerr's system and it won't change this season. Next season? I think there is reason to feel there may not be one in GoldenState for JW. I think teams will try to go for him in the off season and there may be a very worthwhile trade waiting to happen. I really don't feel the Dubs are committed to him at this point if he can bring a player(s) that fits into our system better. Things could be worse than keeping him. He's a project and who knows what the future will bring. It's a good problem to have, I think.
Wiggins and JW for KAT and Edwards? Sweet, lol.