Can't tell if I should be excited that Podz/Trayce are playing tomorrow, or if I'll be rolling my eyes as Podz gets upset about some missed rotation in a summer league game...
I would be happy with Looney sinking bunnies, put-backs, short turn-arounds, and 10-12 footers. Just that. I don’t expect he will ever regularly sink open 17-footers.
I think Looney could shoot, once upon a time. But imagine shooting from a wheelchair ... not that easy, especially in the NBA. 2 major hip surgeries and other injuries have destroyed Looney's base. All shooting starts with the legs, but Looney is ground-bound, he can't jump and he can't load shots with his base. To think that this guy has carved out the kind of NBA career he has had despite his his physical challenges is worthy of a documentary.
I hurt a nerve in my right shoulder and I would lose the feeling in my hand when my arm got extended to shoot. It got so frustrating I started shooting lefty. I imagine its something similar for Looney, that there is something between the floor and his waist that just doesn't connect. A guy who shot like he did in his youth just doesn't forget how to shoot. That's my dumb-ass theory anyway.
We tossed Klay out like day old trash because of his leg injuries. How long are we going to make excuses for Looney because of his hip injuries he had 9 years ago?
Two completely different situations, and I don’t agree with your take on the Klay situation at all. The Warriors offered Klay a two-year deal for considerably more money than he got from Dallas. He rejected it. At the time he was not playing well but the Warriors did want him back. The team had to consider their options for this coming season, with or without Klay, and it was too soon do to that until the past week or two because it depended on trade possibilities, the draft, and free agency deals, as well as figuring out what their budget would be. They didn’t even know they’d be capped at the first tax apron until they started actually making those deals, including buying back the 52nd pick on the second day of the draft, which hard capped them. It made no sense to commit to Klay for a longer deal when they didn’t know what their budget was and alternatives were.
Klay chose to go to Dallas; he could have negotiated a deal with the Dubs if he wanted to. So fine, it’s his decision, and we wish him the best in Dallas when they aren’t playing us. But he was not tossed out. And I think (and I’m not alone in this) that he was treated fairly, whether he feels that way or not.
Looney already had a one-year contract with $3M guaranteed out of $8M total (without incentives), and the Dubs didn’t guarantee the other $5M until they saw how some of the other deals were going down. Then they calculated that it was worth paying that extra $5M to have Looney for one more season. We’re not deep in veteran bigs at this point, barring another deal (which could happen), and if they waived Looney and paid $3M for nothing, they’d just have TJD and Dray. (I don’t think we had Slo Mo yet at that point, might be mistaken about that.) And Dray, at least, is likely to miss time to injuries at some point, based on recent years. So Looney is relatively cheap insurance at the least, with no committment past this season.
I'm not making excuses. I'm just saying Looney CAN'T shoot and it's not for a lack of effort or practice or trying to shoot, he simply can't. If Looney could jump, he would. Guy has a 2" vert. Hell, it looks like it hurts when he is loading up for a free throw. I'm just making an observation.
Like I love Looney, but it also pains me to see him get a pass for an open layup. Catch, gather slowly, and then all of a sudden it's now an off balance contested layup.
Nothing about that process says to me, "I wish we could get the ball to him more at the elbow and just let him cook."
Probably because he’s nowhere near as talented a scorer as David West.
He wasn’t a good a scorer at UCLA. He’s not a good FT shooter. He’s shot 16% on 3’s in the pros. Not sure why people think he’s harboring any latent shooting talent.
I guess you must be right. He is for some reason just incapable of shooting an open 17 footer at a decent clip. Just hard to believe that a human who is healthy enough to run up and down the court, rebound and defend against the best athletes in the world is physically incapable like some suggest of shooting a set shot from 17 feet. I am not asking him to shoot 3’s or bust moves off the dribble.
I would really like to hear him say I shot 500 shots a day from the high post area all summer and the best I can do is make 3 or 4 out of 10.
I believe it is more the coaches told him do the dirty work, never shoot, we have Steph and Klay for that. All well and good but that hurts the team now in 2024.
So now they have two undersized fives who can only make layups or dunks in today’s NBA along with DG who is another story.
I wonder about all those really close games they lost last year and if KL, TJD or DG knocked down a wide open 17 footer here and there in the fourth quarter vs someone throwing up a contested 3, if they may have had a few more wins.
The average mid range shooter makes about 42%. I think Looney would need to work really hard to reach that level of proficiency. He may have been good in a Wisconsin high school, but relative to the best players in the world he has very low shooting and scoring talent.
So a best case scenario is we have a top 5 offensive rebounder in the league 17' from the hoop taking a shot he's going to miss most of the time. If he shoots more of those I tend to think we will lose more close games. You remember all those close games we've won with Looney making a massive offensive rebound? Subtract a few.
I think TJD should work on it. I think he can pattern his game after Sabonis and Bam where he's a mid range hub for hand-offs. The difference is that those guys are threats to keep the ball and create a high percentage shot near the rim. A mid range is more of a last resort.
He’s talked about it. It sounds like he decided being a dirty work guy (defense, screens, rebounds) was what he felt would be his meal ticket.
Keep in mind, his body was a mess with hip and core issues. It’s not really fair to judge him by his one year at UCLA ( and high school). There was talk at the time that his career was in serious jeopardy, and it surely sapped him of athleticism.
Brandon Ingram continues to seek a contract extension reaching $200+ million, per @WindhorstESPN on @ESPNCleveland. The Pelicans have been unwilling to go that number in negotiations, and there doesn’t appear to be much interest elsewhere for Ingram at that figure.
The Milwaukee Bucks have fully guaranteed the $2.12 million salary of guard AJ Green, league sources told @hoopshype. Green has shot 41.2 percent from 3-point range in two years with the Bucks.
"In the pros, he won’t have the green light to fire up as many threes as in college. In 2011, threes are still regarded as a complementary weapon but not something you can build a championship team around. It is well known in 2011 that you can’t win a trophy just shooting jump shots."
The horror-movie aspect of it is that had he gone to some backwards-ass organization, they would have tried to change him. "You shoot too many 3s... we want you shooting midrange jumpers." And he has a fine career, but never becomes a legend. Situation isn't everything, but it's a lot.
Ever since Steph went bananas, teams started changing their way of think. It would’ve taken a REALLY shitty coach to not embrace Klays shooting at that point.
Steph said that kind of happened to him early on (I imagine during the Keith Smart year?) about being wary of taking too many pull up 3s and instead taking a step inside for a middy
Great comments, guys. Give credit where credit is due: ENTER a GREAT PG-turned-coach, Mark Jackson. MJax set SPLASH BROTHERS free...and the NBA revolution was on...
No doubt about KERR BUILDING ON A TOP FOUR DEFENSIVE TEAM HE FOUND AND TAKING IT TO THE PROMISED LAND, but I did not read anywhere in THE DISCUSSION ABOVE, THAT MJAX told the SPLASH BROS THEY ARE THE BEST SHOOTING BACKCOURT IN HISTORY, THEY BELIEVED HIM, AND WENT OUT AND BECAME THAT...A JUMPSHOOTING TEAM THAT WON 'SHIPS AND CHANGED THE WAY THE GAME IS PLAYED IN THE NBA. The discussion was about KLAY'S early utilization and not changing his shooting....READ THE FIRST COMMENT OF THREAD...KERR WAS NOT AROUND WHEN THAT HAPPENED...YOU KNOW, MJAX'S GIFT....THE CATERPILLAR WHO GAVE US BEAUTIFUL BUTTERFLIES THAT FLEW WITH KERR....
Welp so Slater basically confirmed this next month will be radio silent for us as far as trades goes unless Ainge wants to play ball all of the sudden. At least we get to watch Podz and TJD dominate SL..
Just hope we won't roll into the regular season with this current team because once again we won't have enough firepower up top but will have too many mouths to feed because of the overall depth from 1-11 (not including Loon , Waters and the rooks)
If that trade happens it'll be for a big fish and I don't know if I'm a fan of bringing in someone that major into the team without an offseason especially if you're trying to win a championship.. but then again I'm operating under the mindset of "let's not waste even a single year of Steph's remaining prime"
I wonder if intermediate steps can be taken. If they move GPII, Loon, Wiggs for future considerations (cash, draft picks, ?) that could be used to sweeten an offer for LM and at the very least, to thin the herd a bit.
As for winning a championship, I never say 'never,' but this team seems more like a dark horse than any kind of true contender, even with LM added.
That’s just me though. Hopefully we bring LM in mid season, he fits in seamlessly and we win enough games to qualify for the playoffs. I wouldn’t complain
Yeah, I'm expecting them to look like seasoned vets playing against college kids in the summer league games. So, they will probably come out and look very average since I jinxed them
The Detroit Pistons are claiming F/C Paul Reed off free agency waivers, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium. Reed is in the second season of a three-year, $24 million deal, and now BBall Paul joins Detroit.
I'm guessing waived but had a contract that gets paid. If anyone claimed him within the waiver period then new team pays. If no one claims then original team pays him (even though not playing)
Not much has changed for the Golden State Warriors in the past several days of a quieting free-agency period. They remain in pursuit of Utah Jazz forward Lauri Markkanen, league sources confirm, but have entered the waiting period of what could be a drawn-out process. Markkanen, as several have chronicled, becomes extension eligible on Aug. 6. He’s on an expiring $18 million contract and due for a large long-term raise. There are several within the league who have grown more convinced that the Jazz, after exploring Markkanen’s trade market, plan to renegotiate-and-extend Markkanen, using their saved up cap space.
The Sacramento Kings put a substantial picks-based package on the table for Markkanen last week, but they had a time crunch, so it was an exploding offer, league sources said. The Warriors are not operating with that type of urgency. They’re willing to wait for an answer on Markkanen, believing a level of clarity will arrive on Aug. 6, at the latest, considering the contractual dynamics.
In the intermediate, there isn’t much business left for the Warriors to shore up this offseason. They’re comfortable entering the season with the current 14-man roster, league sources said, believing they shored up the middle of their rotation with three value signings early in free agency: De’Anthony Melton, Kyle Anderson and Buddy Hield. That group, as a 14-man collective, will not be picked as even a fringe contender entering next season. There’s an understanding, even internally, that the Warriors appear at least one large move — perhaps a Markkanen-sized move — away from making legitimate noise. But, team sources said, that move doesn’t have to be made in the weeks or months ahead, if the correct opportunity doesn’t arise.
I wonder if the Cooper Flagg hype over the last few days on the Select team will make Danny want to play ball and get him to agree to an Markkanen trade knowing that he can't tank properly with Lauri on the team.
For once, the Warriors actually can afford to take their time so I agree with this approach. Any pivot to something like a Brandon Ingram if that is deemed desirable can still be done in August as any realistic option for that does not seem to be headed anywhere. Plus in-season, things can always change.
Ok, so now Toronto, Detroit, and Orlando have extended their 2021 rookies. Will be interesting to see if Mobley or Sengun get extended soon, I feel like those two might be the only other Max type guy from that class.
Tyus Jones, the top available free agent point guard, is highly unlikely to return to the Wizards. Washington is working through sign-and-trade possibilities as they will now prioritize Jordan Poole and Bub Carrington in their backcourt. A resolution could be reached this week.
Jones, considered to be one of the top free agents remaining, played in and started 66 games for the Wizards last season, posting career-highs of 12 points, 2.7 rebounds, and 7.3 assists per game, while shooting 48.9% from the field and 41.4% from three-point range. He has led the league in assist-to-turnover ratio for five consecutive seasons, including a record setting 7.3:1 ratio this past season.
It will be interesting to see what team acquires the services of Jones, and whether he can produce at the same level for his next team.
If Podz went in a Markannen deal, I wouldn't hate a Tyus Jones sign and trade. We'd basically be collecting the Memphis bench that infamously was better than the Ja minutes for the Grizz.
Thanks for sharing the scouting report from his draft. Warriors held a Draft Party at Jillians in SF, and the only thing I really remember from that event was when all the fans there cheered when Sac, who picked right before us, took Jimmer lol. Then we drafted Klay, and I had no idea who he was, other than him being a good shooter.
Then later that summer was the lockout. Impact Basketball in Vegas was holding open runs there, where a good number of NBA players were expected to play in, including the Dubs. I went to go watch the runs, and was able to watch Klay up close for the first time. He was a flame thrower. Each time he touched the ball, everyone was rooting for him to launch it. Had such a smooth stroke. After the game, I told myself I am going to buy his jersey as soon as they are available, and now I've lost count of how many Klay jerseys and player-Tees I have. It was such a treat to be able to witness all that he's done in a Dub uniform.
I remember at the time being a little concerned about the trend line of his 3P%. But the thing I'd hone in on now is those attempts. That volume is sick. To have a guy at that size who's getting that many up and making just short of 40% + producing across the board in rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks?
I can't remember a prospect even close to that over last few years. Which makes sense that Klay-like prospects don't come out every year. But you think of the shooting prospects in top half of draft: Chris Duarter, Corey Kispter, Knecht this year. Just not nearly as good. Closest in recent times is Gradey Dick's stats for his freshman year compare very favorably to Klay's freshman year.
Which team is desperate enough to take on Wiggin's contract in a 3 way trade to give back a pick because Brett Siegel thinks that's the only way we can acquire more ammo for a LM trade
I do think there's a good case that a reasonable Dubs offer (two of the young guys, two picks, maybe a swap) is better than that, maybe the Dubs haven't gone that far yet or maybe Ainge is just trying to make them squirm/give up more
I don't know how we trade 3 FRP this year, tho... we can trade 2025 and 2027, but with the possibility to trade the 2030 pick, we can't trade 2029-2031. It'd take some juggling. We could trade 2025, 2027, and the 2030 pick (protected 1-4 and 21-30, and if not conveyed, becomes a 2031 SRP or something). I'd bet this was from the Kings or something... they'd guarantee the 2025 pick to Atlanta and send 2027, 2029, and 2031 to Utah.
Actually, it could easily be from the Spurs offering 3x protected FRPs. Spurs have 4 FRPs in 2025: their own, Atlanta's unprotected, Charlotte's protected 1-14, and Chicago's protected 1-10. They've also got all their own picks in other years, Atlanta's unprotected 2027 pick, and a few swaps.
Hmm. I don’t know who Brett Siegel is, but if that’s true, then the Warriors likely *can’t* blink first in this stare down, right? There’s nothing more to throw in. It’s just a question of waiting to see if Utah strikes out elsewhere and lowers its demand?
Unless, I suppose, they trade JK elsewhere for a pick?
Looney, Moody, GPII and picks works in the fanspo trade machine. The Warriors would do it to clear the logjam at wing to get a stretch 5 to replace Looney, Utah does it for Moody who they can extend for less money than Markkanen the picks and the fact that GPII and Looney are expiring contracts. It also saves the Warriors enough to add a couple of minimum contracts. I wouldn't be thrilled but it probably does give the Warriors the best chance of competing in the next 2 seasons.
Can't tell if I should be excited that Podz/Trayce are playing tomorrow, or if I'll be rolling my eyes as Podz gets upset about some missed rotation in a summer league game...
Missed rotations should be stamped out at every level. Go forth Podz and do the basketball gods work.
Can we get a Melton, GP2, Moody, SloMo/Dray, TJD lineup playing together before making any trades?
Kyle Anderson stat bonus: moves at 75% speed but causes confusion making opponents move at 50% speed. Sorry. Been playing Hades.
Just a thought, but is there a reason why Looney can’t do the old guy David West role?
The man is incapable of becoming efficient shooting from the high post area?
I just am driven nuts by his complete lack of scoring with his early background as a point guard in HS and a wing at UCLA.
I would love to ask Kerr or him that question.
Any reporters out there willing to sub in for me?
David West was a much better player than Kevon, plain and simple.
I know that. I was simply referring to making an open 17 ft shot. Can Looney do that if he dedicates himself to it?
Anyway I have surrendered on this and put Looney back into his non scoring role which has become less valuable in just a couple of years.
It is possible he will be moved somewhere, somehow because he and TJD are not a great combo.
I do really admire Looney and how he remade himself but don’t think he can do it again.
I would be happy with Looney sinking bunnies, put-backs, short turn-arounds, and 10-12 footers. Just that. I don’t expect he will ever regularly sink open 17-footers.
I think Looney could shoot, once upon a time. But imagine shooting from a wheelchair ... not that easy, especially in the NBA. 2 major hip surgeries and other injuries have destroyed Looney's base. All shooting starts with the legs, but Looney is ground-bound, he can't jump and he can't load shots with his base. To think that this guy has carved out the kind of NBA career he has had despite his his physical challenges is worthy of a documentary.
I hurt a nerve in my right shoulder and I would lose the feeling in my hand when my arm got extended to shoot. It got so frustrating I started shooting lefty. I imagine its something similar for Looney, that there is something between the floor and his waist that just doesn't connect. A guy who shot like he did in his youth just doesn't forget how to shoot. That's my dumb-ass theory anyway.
We tossed Klay out like day old trash because of his leg injuries. How long are we going to make excuses for Looney because of his hip injuries he had 9 years ago?
Two completely different situations, and I don’t agree with your take on the Klay situation at all. The Warriors offered Klay a two-year deal for considerably more money than he got from Dallas. He rejected it. At the time he was not playing well but the Warriors did want him back. The team had to consider their options for this coming season, with or without Klay, and it was too soon do to that until the past week or two because it depended on trade possibilities, the draft, and free agency deals, as well as figuring out what their budget would be. They didn’t even know they’d be capped at the first tax apron until they started actually making those deals, including buying back the 52nd pick on the second day of the draft, which hard capped them. It made no sense to commit to Klay for a longer deal when they didn’t know what their budget was and alternatives were.
Klay chose to go to Dallas; he could have negotiated a deal with the Dubs if he wanted to. So fine, it’s his decision, and we wish him the best in Dallas when they aren’t playing us. But he was not tossed out. And I think (and I’m not alone in this) that he was treated fairly, whether he feels that way or not.
Looney already had a one-year contract with $3M guaranteed out of $8M total (without incentives), and the Dubs didn’t guarantee the other $5M until they saw how some of the other deals were going down. Then they calculated that it was worth paying that extra $5M to have Looney for one more season. We’re not deep in veteran bigs at this point, barring another deal (which could happen), and if they waived Looney and paid $3M for nothing, they’d just have TJD and Dray. (I don’t think we had Slo Mo yet at that point, might be mistaken about that.) And Dray, at least, is likely to miss time to injuries at some point, based on recent years. So Looney is relatively cheap insurance at the least, with no committment past this season.
I'm not making excuses. I'm just saying Looney CAN'T shoot and it's not for a lack of effort or practice or trying to shoot, he simply can't. If Looney could jump, he would. Guy has a 2" vert. Hell, it looks like it hurts when he is loading up for a free throw. I'm just making an observation.
Like I love Looney, but it also pains me to see him get a pass for an open layup. Catch, gather slowly, and then all of a sudden it's now an off balance contested layup.
Nothing about that process says to me, "I wish we could get the ball to him more at the elbow and just let him cook."
High post passing, handing off, or shooting. He’s already got two down, one to go.
Probably because he’s nowhere near as talented a scorer as David West.
He wasn’t a good a scorer at UCLA. He’s not a good FT shooter. He’s shot 16% on 3’s in the pros. Not sure why people think he’s harboring any latent shooting talent.
I guess you must be right. He is for some reason just incapable of shooting an open 17 footer at a decent clip. Just hard to believe that a human who is healthy enough to run up and down the court, rebound and defend against the best athletes in the world is physically incapable like some suggest of shooting a set shot from 17 feet. I am not asking him to shoot 3’s or bust moves off the dribble.
I would really like to hear him say I shot 500 shots a day from the high post area all summer and the best I can do is make 3 or 4 out of 10.
I believe it is more the coaches told him do the dirty work, never shoot, we have Steph and Klay for that. All well and good but that hurts the team now in 2024.
So now they have two undersized fives who can only make layups or dunks in today’s NBA along with DG who is another story.
I wonder about all those really close games they lost last year and if KL, TJD or DG knocked down a wide open 17 footer here and there in the fourth quarter vs someone throwing up a contested 3, if they may have had a few more wins.
Just wondering 😊
The average mid range shooter makes about 42%. I think Looney would need to work really hard to reach that level of proficiency. He may have been good in a Wisconsin high school, but relative to the best players in the world he has very low shooting and scoring talent.
So a best case scenario is we have a top 5 offensive rebounder in the league 17' from the hoop taking a shot he's going to miss most of the time. If he shoots more of those I tend to think we will lose more close games. You remember all those close games we've won with Looney making a massive offensive rebound? Subtract a few.
I think TJD should work on it. I think he can pattern his game after Sabonis and Bam where he's a mid range hub for hand-offs. The difference is that those guys are threats to keep the ball and create a high percentage shot near the rim. A mid range is more of a last resort.
Good points.
Ok I surrender 😊
He’s talked about it. It sounds like he decided being a dirty work guy (defense, screens, rebounds) was what he felt would be his meal ticket.
Keep in mind, his body was a mess with hip and core issues. It’s not really fair to judge him by his one year at UCLA ( and high school). There was talk at the time that his career was in serious jeopardy, and it surely sapped him of athleticism.
I think even if he stayed healthy and lean his offensive game would be more like Kyle Anderson than David West.
Seems like every summer we hear about Loon working on his three ball and then the season starts and it's clear that was just idle chatter.
We see him working on it (there is video in the offseason). He's just not much good at it.
Lots of guys aren't good at shooting, and never get to be even decent shooters.
Brandon Ingram continues to seek a contract extension reaching $200+ million, per @WindhorstESPN on @ESPNCleveland. The Pelicans have been unwilling to go that number in negotiations, and there doesn’t appear to be much interest elsewhere for Ingram at that figure.
https://x.com/esidery/status/1810824364801028597
4 or 5 years
My guess is 4 years. Ingram seems to want to be paid like Paul George.
Me too
On second thought, maybe FIBA coach Kerr was onto something with his benching? 🤔
With how much these unproven superstars are getting, seems weird that no one wants him at that number
He seems to have a pretty bad rep. All though bouncing around is a red flag.
And like Hield he’s a good player for 8 million
You need a new agent.
Isn’t one $200M contract enough? Don’t get greedy now. 😊
Reminds me of how Willie Mays asked for and received an extension on his lifetime contract.
The Milwaukee Bucks have fully guaranteed the $2.12 million salary of guard AJ Green, league sources told @hoopshype. Green has shot 41.2 percent from 3-point range in two years with the Bucks.
https://x.com/MikeAScotto/status/1810803925806895515
"In the pros, he won’t have the green light to fire up as many threes as in college. In 2011, threes are still regarded as a complementary weapon but not something you can build a championship team around. It is well known in 2011 that you can’t win a trophy just shooting jump shots."
LOL...
The horror-movie aspect of it is that had he gone to some backwards-ass organization, they would have tried to change him. "You shoot too many 3s... we want you shooting midrange jumpers." And he has a fine career, but never becomes a legend. Situation isn't everything, but it's a lot.
Ever since Steph went bananas, teams started changing their way of think. It would’ve taken a REALLY shitty coach to not embrace Klays shooting at that point.
Steph said that kind of happened to him early on (I imagine during the Keith Smart year?) about being wary of taking too many pull up 3s and instead taking a step inside for a middy
Great comments, guys. Give credit where credit is due: ENTER a GREAT PG-turned-coach, Mark Jackson. MJax set SPLASH BROTHERS free...and the NBA revolution was on...
Dino…you do know it’s ok to acknowledge that Kerr took the team to another level right?
I think we all acknowledge MJax gave the Big 3 confidence while also acknowledging that he held the team back in many ways.
No doubt about KERR BUILDING ON A TOP FOUR DEFENSIVE TEAM HE FOUND AND TAKING IT TO THE PROMISED LAND, but I did not read anywhere in THE DISCUSSION ABOVE, THAT MJAX told the SPLASH BROS THEY ARE THE BEST SHOOTING BACKCOURT IN HISTORY, THEY BELIEVED HIM, AND WENT OUT AND BECAME THAT...A JUMPSHOOTING TEAM THAT WON 'SHIPS AND CHANGED THE WAY THE GAME IS PLAYED IN THE NBA. The discussion was about KLAY'S early utilization and not changing his shooting....READ THE FIRST COMMENT OF THREAD...KERR WAS NOT AROUND WHEN THAT HAPPENED...YOU KNOW, MJAX'S GIFT....THE CATERPILLAR WHO GAVE US BEAUTIFUL BUTTERFLIES THAT FLEW WITH KERR....
Welp so Slater basically confirmed this next month will be radio silent for us as far as trades goes unless Ainge wants to play ball all of the sudden. At least we get to watch Podz and TJD dominate SL..
There are certain axioms to live by in the NBA. One of them is “Never let Danny Ainge screw you in a deal if you can help it”
Just hope we won't roll into the regular season with this current team because once again we won't have enough firepower up top but will have too many mouths to feed because of the overall depth from 1-11 (not including Loon , Waters and the rooks)
The too many mouths to feed problem can get fixed in December, too
If that trade happens it'll be for a big fish and I don't know if I'm a fan of bringing in someone that major into the team without an offseason especially if you're trying to win a championship.. but then again I'm operating under the mindset of "let's not waste even a single year of Steph's remaining prime"
I wonder if intermediate steps can be taken. If they move GPII, Loon, Wiggs for future considerations (cash, draft picks, ?) that could be used to sweeten an offer for LM and at the very least, to thin the herd a bit.
As for winning a championship, I never say 'never,' but this team seems more like a dark horse than any kind of true contender, even with LM added.
That’s just me though. Hopefully we bring LM in mid season, he fits in seamlessly and we win enough games to qualify for the playoffs. I wouldn’t complain
Yeah, if it's for Markkanen, he's more of a play finisher/spacer. Don't need too much integration into the offense there.
OFC if JK turns into an all star and Moody or Podz takes a major step then disregard this
Aren’t you forgetting someone?
*when
*fingers crossed* all 3 happens
Dalton Johnson: Warriors' Jackson-Davis holds his own against Team USA's best big men. https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/trayce-jackson-davis-usa-select-team/1753764/
I am eating the Podz and TJD Team USA content up with a spoon
Yeah, I'm expecting them to look like seasoned vets playing against college kids in the summer league games. So, they will probably come out and look very average since I jinxed them
They might be tasked with working on weaknesses, so it's not outside the realm of possibility.
The Detroit Pistons are claiming F/C Paul Reed off free agency waivers, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium. Reed is in the second season of a three-year, $24 million deal, and now BBall Paul joins Detroit.
https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1810780938126905831
I'm confused, how can you be both a free agent and in the second season of a three year $24 million deal?
I'm guessing waived but had a contract that gets paid. If anyone claimed him within the waiver period then new team pays. If no one claims then original team pays him (even though not playing)
Makes sense, I just thought the "free agent" part implied not with a contract even if waived. Confusing stuff LOL.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5622936/2024/07/09/warriors-lauri-markkanen-offseason/?source=emp_shared_article
Not much has changed for the Golden State Warriors in the past several days of a quieting free-agency period. They remain in pursuit of Utah Jazz forward Lauri Markkanen, league sources confirm, but have entered the waiting period of what could be a drawn-out process. Markkanen, as several have chronicled, becomes extension eligible on Aug. 6. He’s on an expiring $18 million contract and due for a large long-term raise. There are several within the league who have grown more convinced that the Jazz, after exploring Markkanen’s trade market, plan to renegotiate-and-extend Markkanen, using their saved up cap space.
The Sacramento Kings put a substantial picks-based package on the table for Markkanen last week, but they had a time crunch, so it was an exploding offer, league sources said. The Warriors are not operating with that type of urgency. They’re willing to wait for an answer on Markkanen, believing a level of clarity will arrive on Aug. 6, at the latest, considering the contractual dynamics.
In the intermediate, there isn’t much business left for the Warriors to shore up this offseason. They’re comfortable entering the season with the current 14-man roster, league sources said, believing they shored up the middle of their rotation with three value signings early in free agency: De’Anthony Melton, Kyle Anderson and Buddy Hield. That group, as a 14-man collective, will not be picked as even a fringe contender entering next season. There’s an understanding, even internally, that the Warriors appear at least one large move — perhaps a Markkanen-sized move — away from making legitimate noise. But, team sources said, that move doesn’t have to be made in the weeks or months ahead, if the correct opportunity doesn’t arise.
I wonder if the Cooper Flagg hype over the last few days on the Select team will make Danny want to play ball and get him to agree to an Markkanen trade knowing that he can't tank properly with Lauri on the team.
I like it. It's basically, we are not here to play Ainge's game. Let's see how serious he is in August.
Well, we are playing his game…we’re just looking to bring another player into the game to overthrow him
But if he still doesn’t budge, moving on
For once, the Warriors actually can afford to take their time so I agree with this approach. Any pivot to something like a Brandon Ingram if that is deemed desirable can still be done in August as any realistic option for that does not seem to be headed anywhere. Plus in-season, things can always change.
Detroit Pistons guard Cade Cunningham has agreed on a five-year, $224 million maximum rookie extension that could become worth as much as $269 million
https://x.com/wojespn/status/1810732659074609158
Wow -- these contracts. I'm sure Cunningham is a fine young player, but that is some serious cash...
Ok, so now Toronto, Detroit, and Orlando have extended their 2021 rookies. Will be interesting to see if Mobley or Sengun get extended soon, I feel like those two might be the only other Max type guy from that class.
Are these players really that good and worth all this money? These look like superstar dollars.
Seems like a list of teams doomed to mediocrity for the next 5 years.
gotta dish out superstar dollars if you want em to stay in detroit
#KumingaBetter
$225 million
Tyus Jones, the top available free agent point guard, is highly unlikely to return to the Wizards. Washington is working through sign-and-trade possibilities as they will now prioritize Jordan Poole and Bub Carrington in their backcourt. A resolution could be reached this week.
Jones, considered to be one of the top free agents remaining, played in and started 66 games for the Wizards last season, posting career-highs of 12 points, 2.7 rebounds, and 7.3 assists per game, while shooting 48.9% from the field and 41.4% from three-point range. He has led the league in assist-to-turnover ratio for five consecutive seasons, including a record setting 7.3:1 ratio this past season.
It will be interesting to see what team acquires the services of Jones, and whether he can produce at the same level for his next team.
https://x.com/esidery/status/1810709375129989377
If Podz went in a Markannen deal, I wouldn't hate a Tyus Jones sign and trade. We'd basically be collecting the Memphis bench that infamously was better than the Ja minutes for the Grizz.
Tyus Jones wants to be a starter, though.
> “they will now prioritize Jordan Poole and Bub Carrington in their backcourt”
Translated: they will now prioritize Cooper Flagg.
Thanks for sharing the scouting report from his draft. Warriors held a Draft Party at Jillians in SF, and the only thing I really remember from that event was when all the fans there cheered when Sac, who picked right before us, took Jimmer lol. Then we drafted Klay, and I had no idea who he was, other than him being a good shooter.
Then later that summer was the lockout. Impact Basketball in Vegas was holding open runs there, where a good number of NBA players were expected to play in, including the Dubs. I went to go watch the runs, and was able to watch Klay up close for the first time. He was a flame thrower. Each time he touched the ball, everyone was rooting for him to launch it. Had such a smooth stroke. After the game, I told myself I am going to buy his jersey as soon as they are available, and now I've lost count of how many Klay jerseys and player-Tees I have. It was such a treat to be able to witness all that he's done in a Dub uniform.
I remember at the time being a little concerned about the trend line of his 3P%. But the thing I'd hone in on now is those attempts. That volume is sick. To have a guy at that size who's getting that many up and making just short of 40% + producing across the board in rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks?
I can't remember a prospect even close to that over last few years. Which makes sense that Klay-like prospects don't come out every year. But you think of the shooting prospects in top half of draft: Chris Duarter, Corey Kispter, Knecht this year. Just not nearly as good. Closest in recent times is Gradey Dick's stats for his freshman year compare very favorably to Klay's freshman year.
Klay had the Jerry West stamp of approval all over him. Game over. His numbers were irrefutable.
Which team is desperate enough to take on Wiggin's contract in a 3 way trade to give back a pick because Brett Siegel thinks that's the only way we can acquire more ammo for a LM trade
https://x.com/ClutchPoints/status/1810726827255566394
The Jazz have been offered 3 first-round picks for Lauri Markkanen, according to
@BrettSiegelNBA
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Assuming that team is us
probably the Kings
I do think there's a good case that a reasonable Dubs offer (two of the young guys, two picks, maybe a swap) is better than that, maybe the Dubs haven't gone that far yet or maybe Ainge is just trying to make them squirm/give up more
I don't know how we trade 3 FRP this year, tho... we can trade 2025 and 2027, but with the possibility to trade the 2030 pick, we can't trade 2029-2031. It'd take some juggling. We could trade 2025, 2027, and the 2030 pick (protected 1-4 and 21-30, and if not conveyed, becomes a 2031 SRP or something). I'd bet this was from the Kings or something... they'd guarantee the 2025 pick to Atlanta and send 2027, 2029, and 2031 to Utah.
Actually, it could easily be from the Spurs offering 3x protected FRPs. Spurs have 4 FRPs in 2025: their own, Atlanta's unprotected, Charlotte's protected 1-14, and Chicago's protected 1-10. They've also got all their own picks in other years, Atlanta's unprotected 2027 pick, and a few swaps.
/Steph eating popcorn gif/
Hmm. I don’t know who Brett Siegel is, but if that’s true, then the Warriors likely *can’t* blink first in this stare down, right? There’s nothing more to throw in. It’s just a question of waiting to see if Utah strikes out elsewhere and lowers its demand?
Unless, I suppose, they trade JK elsewhere for a pick?
He works for ClutchPoints and they're followed by Marc Stein and Monte Poole so I'm assuming he has some sort of info worth believing
Also this could just be somebody in the Jazz organization feeding him info to drive up the price for the Dubs
He's clearly getting info from somewhere... who does this benefit?
Looney, Moody, GPII and picks works in the fanspo trade machine. The Warriors would do it to clear the logjam at wing to get a stretch 5 to replace Looney, Utah does it for Moody who they can extend for less money than Markkanen the picks and the fact that GPII and Looney are expiring contracts. It also saves the Warriors enough to add a couple of minimum contracts. I wouldn't be thrilled but it probably does give the Warriors the best chance of competing in the next 2 seasons.
I thought we could only offer two firsts and the protected part of 2031
Maybe they were counting that as three