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The Ringer's latest mock update has us taking Podz: https://nbadraft.theringer.com/mock-draft

Coulibaly goes 9, Lively 11, Bufkin 12, Hood-Schifino 13.

Cason Wallace drops to 16, Leonard Miller past us down to 22.

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I would be very disappointed if GS passed on Nick Smith in that particular projected draft, unless there's evidence somewhere that his knee problem from the begininng of last year is chronic. The Ringer has dropped him all the way to 20 from 13 and other mocks have also deceded to hammer him all of a sudden. I personally don't see how, if he's not already gone, he gets past guard-desperate Toronto, but he's exactly in the middle of the kind of squirrely reaction that leads to guys getting picked 33rd and becoming all-stars. His biggest problems are fixable - strength (he's young - comes with the territory), and a 20 year old tendency to handle the ball as if he's still in AAU - not a skill problem, just a mental adjustment. I watched Smith all year and disagree entirely with the "forced shot" critique from the Ringer eval. Those floaters were going in at a prodigious rate before he got hurt, and Smith was very good at transitioning to other parts of his game when his shot was not going in. There's lots of focus on his low three-point percentage, but he was close to an 80 percent ft shooter in high school, and coming off injury in February in SEC play is not very conducive to showing what you can do.

If Poole is gone, he's a logical potential long-term replacement, and regardless is a shot at a legit break-people-down, on-ball scorer - something the GS second unit really hasn't had in years. Podz is another catch and shoot wing, which is fine. but they lost me at "struggled creating advantages off the dribble. . . " and "what's his position on defense." Without break-down ability, he feeds directly into the small forward money / playing time crunch that already exists with Wiggins, Kuminga, Thompson. Smith to me looks like a chance to get someone who can actually generate offense sometimes without help. Better D (and much better effort on D) than Poole walking in the door, flashes of quick-twitch speed that, if not Poole-ian are close, and at least a chance to stop the years-long offensive ineptitude of the second unit.

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2024/25: The Last Splash

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With Meyers gone, I'm afraid Kerr is going to have more influence on the FO. I know everyone is afraid of Joe Lacob being more involved in player personnel decisions, but at this point, I'm not sure if that's a bad thing. I feel like Kerr would follow LeBron's scorched Earth playbook for roster construction if it was up to him.

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If there is any leg to these Kuminga rumors, count me in the minority but I would love Ausar Thompson with Orlandos 6th pick in exchange for Poole, Kuminga, our 19th obviously and taking back any of their fluff for salary cap matching purposes. I am a big believer in that kid. Everyone else outside Ausar and the Top 3 and id rather keep JK

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There are a lot of interesting scenarios with ORL beyond the picks.

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Jun 15, 2023·edited Jun 15, 2023

Oh and im also deliriously excited about Ryan Rollins this upcoming season. They can trade all the rest of their youngins for all I care but keep Rollins

EDIT*** i also like PBJ the player alot.

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I'm pretty excited to see RR compete defensively. I think he has the tools to really excel on that end. Combine that with his shot creation ability and we might have a player on our hands

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If we trade Poole and RR is actually the better player, lightyears!

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The Kuminga rumors could mean a few things (assuming it's not just speculation, an attempt to guage interest, etc):

- The Warriors think Lively (or someone else) is a game-changer. (definitely not impossible, but they would have to be 100% convinced that a rookie would help them get back to the top, and soon)

- They're going to trade (probably Poole) for someone (OG? even KAT?), and the team will only engage is the pick is in the top 8-12. (More likely, but would require a team to want to make a big change, and get worse in the short-term).

- They're going to do something truly crazy, like attempting to trade into the top 5. (Would be nuts, but also very entertaining. Fortunately, not too likely).

I'd definitely prefer to (mostly) run it back, but any of those scenarios would at least shake up the draft (and the off-season).

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It's very simple. Draymond opts in this year. Next year, he and Klay sign "no-trade, vet minimum" deals. This is not a reflection on their worth, but a "FU" to the league, a "thank you" to the organization and a statement about the value of togetherness over raw dollars. Maybe make them heavily "unlikely" incentivized - which doesn't count against the cap. They'll make it up in legacy and endorsements.

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Fat chance of that happening. They will be signing what might be their last deal. They're going to want to make bank while they can. Endorsements are uncertain and legacy they already have.

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Money has diminishing returns. Bob Myers walked away from multimillions because other things were more important, and presumably, he had "enough."

There is precedent for excellent older players taking lower salaries - Duncan, Ginobli (I think).

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Jun 15, 2023·edited Jun 15, 2023

David West played for us for roughly $10 mil a year less than he could have gotten from another team.

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Lower salary yes, vet min, no freakin' way they would take that. The vet min for this coming season for players with 10+ years experience is $3M. West was down to his last two seasons, knowing he would play short minutes. Klay and Dray will start or at least be major rotation guys playing serious minutes or they wouldn't re-sign with us. So they might take a team-friendly deal but it will be far more than vet min.

And Bob Myers is a really strange comp. He isn't anywhere close to the end of the most lucrative part of his career; he probably has not reached his earning peak yet. He can take a break now and land a top exec job in the NBA or elsewhere that will earn him big bucks anytime he wants it for decades to come.

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Sorry, I should have made it clear I was just bringing up what David West did, not that I ever expect to see it happen again.

I actually think Klay and Draymond are going to want essentially market rate deals. Maybe they'll knock two or three mil off what they get from some other team, but I wouldn't expect more than that.

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I think Klay will need to take a major cut no matter where he goes because his current salary is ridiculous. He's making $43.2M this coming season. I think he's going to find $30M will be the ceiling or at most $35M, although honestly I am throwing darts in dim light with that number. The Dubs could see how it goes this season and negotiate with him after we win the Finals. 😁 Dray can opt in for $27.6M. I think for him you probably are right about a $2M-$3M trim to re-sig.

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I agree they won’t take league minimum deals, but I don’t think either want to leave to join the type of teams that could afford to pay them big bucks, so would give up BIG money to stay (like Wiggins did).

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Jun 15, 2023·edited Jun 15, 2023

Alc loves Lively and proposes this trade (assuming they do want to move up):

Kuminga to Utah for Rudy Gay and the 9th pick to take Lively

https://youtu.be/LZEHlIhDPSg

And they keep 19, not part of the trade

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Jun 15, 2023·edited Jun 15, 2023

This trade-up rumor has me wondering for the first time whether Dunleavy's opinions of certain young players might differ from Bob's, and if that could influence any of the offseason moves. Seems like the FO is pretty collaborative, but where consensus isn't reachable it's presumably the GM who makes the final call on draft picks. It's at least possible that one or more of Kuminga, Moody, Poole, PBJ, or Rollins wasn't really Dunleay's guy to begin with.

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Good (and realistic) trade. Orlando might be an option at 11 also (but border-line too late if we want Lively).

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Man I don't know, I'm very skeptical a team would trade the #9 pick for Kuminga.

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Also I think this guy is suggesting Lively because he hasn't researched any of the other prospects since he wasn't expecting the Warriors to be around this part of the draft. I haven't either but I've read people who say that someone like Taylor Hendricks would fit the Warriors well.

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Rudy Gay? That guy is pushing 1,000 years old. Very hard pass.

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The prize is Lively…I think Gay is just salary ballast.

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Also I vaguely recall a podcast of Jazz fans saying Gay was unhappy during the season? Idk and wouldn't be able to find it to confirm

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Why are you convinced Lively is going to be better for us than Kuminga?

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I never said that. Go back to the original post. I’m sharing Alc’s thoughts.

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OK, so noted.

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Am guessing he’s included just to make salaries match

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That crossed my mind (he may be on to something). Who would be available in the 9-12 range (as I think this is likely the highest pick you can get for JK)?Secondly, why trade one young player for yet another young player? Perhaps trade for more positional need… Lively fits both.

With that said, wouldn’t want to trade JK if it can be helped.

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Why trade one young player going in to his third season and starting to develop pretty well (and plays defense!) for a younger player who is probably a few years away from contributing — this at a time when we're trying to win a championship with a veteran core? Unless we are getting a major impact rookie who can come right in and play serious NBA minutes, I can't see it. How many truly impactful young players are in this draft once you get past the top maybe 5 or 6? And if we keep trading our youngsters just as they get to the point where they can contribute, what makes us think we can develop another youngster? None of this makes sense to me.

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Only way this makes a modicum of sense is that the team is just fed up with JK behind the scenes and are exploring all options. Even then, why trade for an even younger player??

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The premise was “If the rumor is true and they’re looking to move up” and Alc is speculating on who they think they could help right away.

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I hear you (should have worded better)… just think it makes sense if dubs went this direction tho I would disagree with it

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Jun 15, 2023Liked by Eric Apricot

A highly rare Ryan Rollins update:

https://twitter.com/JDumasReports/status/1669140402367250432

> Warriors guard Ryan Rollins told @kron4news on Wednesday that he is fully recovered from foot surgery (jones fracture) and is back to scrimmaging.

> He will be ready for summer league which begins July 3rd in Sac. Says his focus will be defense and playmaking.

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Better add bench squats to his program to round out his game. ;-)

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Jun 15, 2023·edited Jun 15, 2023

I’m more excited about the upside of RR (and of course PBJ) than that of most of the guys we’ve been looking at #19.

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Jun 15, 2023·edited Jun 15, 2023

Same. Rollins length is very intriguing. And, I want to see some defensive improvement from PBJ in summer league. He should be able to dominate this year, I think (didn't play last summer league, of course).

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Let's hope he has a good summer league to entice other teams to want him.

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I said this last season and will say it again for this upcoming season, having a hungry vet or two ring chasing is key to keeping the team hungry for a championship.

Down with the youth but this season needs an Otto, Barbosa, or west kind of figure.

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Potential Trade Idea

Pistons trade Bojan Bogdonavic and Isaiah Stewart for Poole.

Warriors don’t lose any scoring punch with Bojan who can provide very solid spacing and get some big depth with Stewart being a lunch pail type guy who can drop 10 pts and 8 rebounds along with some toughness. We were a little too soft and lacked physicality last year for my liking.

The Pistons get Poole to pair alongside Ivey and Cunningham and Wiseman to form a very interesting young core. Poole and Cunningham would be the instant leaders on that team.

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Call it in.

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I still like Poole to ORL to pair up with his work-out buddy Banchero. I'd take a pick (or pick swap 11 & 19, where we grab Lively), Cole Anthony and Bol Bol. Hard nosed back-up point guard and bring Manute's kid back home where he belongs. ORL pretty overloaded at guard, so they need to consolidate and need scoring badly, even inefficient scoring at this point. Fultz, Poole, Wagner, Banchero, Wendell Carter? That would be fun at least. For us, yes I realize it seems lopsided, but it's a 20 mil salary dump to boot. ORL can throw in future picks to make up the difference.

All this is based on a clip of Poole and Banchero working out together and we don't know if they are close or not.

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I think the Pistons are pretty set w Ivey and Cunningham.

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Cunningham has the height/wingspan to easily play the SF position (where Bojan is playing now) alongside Poole and Ivey.

Cunningham's ball handling/passing ability will allow for Poole to share playmaking responsibilities and play more as a shooting guard on offense.

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One of the primary upsides of Cade and Ivey together is it's a big backcourt that gives you a really complimentary mix of creation skills and can be solid defensively. They have lots of good options on how to build around them, but without a doubt the number one first choice would for that 3rd guard/wing to be a good to great defender.

Adding a smallish negative defender like Poole sets it up to be a bad defensive backcourt and he's not enough of a connector on O to where the synergy of the three would overwhelm that. Similar to how playing him with Steph and Klay hasn't worked out even with like perfect guys around them like Wiggins and Dray.

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This seems very unbalanced in our favor. What else would we throw in to make the Pistons more interested?

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Jun 15, 2023·edited Jun 15, 2023

I don't really see it as unbalanced at all.

They're getting a young 25 points and 5 assists guard with much room for growth whose bad at defense. In exchange we're getting Bojan (19 ppg scorer) whose bad at defense and Stewart (who averaged 11 points and 8 rebounds but on very bad efficiency for a center who arguably hasn't improved from his rookie year).

In terms of points, the Piston are getting 25 ppg and we're getting 30 ppg but Stewart would be getting a reduced role on our team so his ppg would be similarly reduced. In terms of upside, the Pistons get a young guard who was extremely effective in the playoffs last year with championship experience who had a down year playing in a toxic environment. We don't get much upside, rather we get fit. I think its a pretty even trade.

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We have to throw in a draft pick.

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Interesting. It ain't sexy, but it's intriguing.

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My ears are burning

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I rewatched Game 6 of last year's Finals last night. Amazing how much more locked-in and connected the team seemed to be, especially on defense. It was almost uncanny: same cogs, totally different machine. And the guys on the bench were having the time of their lives. All despite several moments of the precise kind that would have knocked the '23 team off kilter (some bad shots from Klay; a rushed, no-chance 2-for-1 attempt by Poole to end the first half). They were so much more resilient.

Also, huge contributions from Otto Porter and GPII in that game.

No larger point to make here, I guess, which admittedly begs the question why I'm posting it :) I guess I just found it clarifying of the challenge for this offseason. It's such a dynamic system they're trying to rebalance, and the team is at once so near and so far. Big changes might be needed (e.g. trading Poole), but smaller ones could also ramify into far greater consequence (redistribute a few minutes, add the right vet...) I keep picturing poor Dunleavy at a sound mixing board, or revising a sonnet or something.

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You also wonder how much Mike Brown had to do with that.

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Jun 15, 2023·edited Jun 15, 2023

Ramify is such a lovely word that I just learned of! I have nothing substantial to add, I think you're spot on that the team was really connected in 22 and not as much 23.

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and poole hit some big 3's in that game too

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Best way to describe Dunleavy's job is: Cat Herding.

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Jun 14, 2023Liked by punk basketball

Does anyone else remember when Denver was trying to figure out what to do with both Nurkic and Jokic and there were arguments to keep Nurkic?

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Jun 14, 2023Liked by punk basketball

Is that the Denver version of Steph vs. Monta?

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Yup...

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I guess I'm going to have to resign myself to the fact that Lively isn't dropping to 19. #10 in the newest Givony mock draft, #10 on Vecenie's big board.

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Alc thinks the kuminga for pick talks are to get lively.

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Funny, I thought they'd be kinda dull.

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Is it time to start an online whisper campaign that he’s a cat juggler and puppy kicker to tank his draft stock?

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As rivals begin reaching out to the Wizards to explore possibility of trading for All-Star guard Bradley Beal, president Michael Winger and Beal’s agent Mark Bartelstein of Priority Sports are staying in close contact to discuss scenarios presented to franchise.

After completing first season of a five-year, $251M contract, Beal’s unique standing as NBA’s only current player to have a no-trade clause negotiated into his deal gives him the ability to control not only possible destinations, but how a potential package to acquire Beal impacts his ability to play for a contender.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1669028740435779605

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His contract is an absolute abomination. A PLAYER OPTION in the last year for $57,128,610.

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Apart from the Beal specifics, this seems to signal that the Wizards could be open for business.

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Not saying I know how it happens but Delon Wright on the Warriors>>>

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JP + GP + Klay + for KP + Beal works in the trade machine, fwiw…

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Oof. I might rather skip the middleman and just stab myself in the eye, instead of having to watch that team.

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Wouldn’t that torpedo any hopes of ever getting below the upper apron?

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Not interested in Beal at all. Hard pass.

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Rico Hines is joining the 76ers as an assistant on Nick Nurse's coaching staff, sources tell ESPN. Hines had been a part of Nurse's staff with the Raptors. Hines is a former player development coach who has worked his way to a front-of-the-bench assistant.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1668982681114140674

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Super random but who was the last lefty to play for us? David Lee? Anthony Randolph? Acie Law? Marcus Williams?

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I think of the Knicks with Brunson, Randle, Barrett, and Hartenstein. They had 12% of all the lefties in the league last year.

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GPII !

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Oubre, Bazemore, and I think at least one other guy on the 2020-2021 team were lefty.

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Payton and Wiseman (as noted above).

And lest we forget the season before: DLo. Plus the illustrious Zach Norvell…

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For some reason I was pretty locked on to our 5 year Finals run and couldn't recall a single lefty from those teams outside of David Lee

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Yeah, DLee was it as far as sinister/gauche lefties from 2014-2019 (unless you count Bazemore from the 2013-14 squad).

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Damn... completely forgot about Oubre....

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Watching some Kobe Bufkin tape and this thought came to mind

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It's easy to forget DLo

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I feel ashamed for remembering the guys I listed and forgetting our more recent guys..

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We all want to forget Wiseman, it's okay.

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Right now, to some that means, "He was so horrible we need to forget it." In two years (I predict) it will mean "He is so good it hurts to remember we had him and sent him away."

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