On JK, I’m 100% in the ‘chill, we have dozens of games of skill building for the younguns’ camp.
But. If he’s not a fit long or short term, then we should trade him? For what exactly? Someone good enough to crack our stuffed rotation seems awfully unlikely, and would cost far too much. JK remains inexpensive. Or we trade for picks …. Again what do we get? A good team that sees JK as a better fit yields us a low pick. A bad team with a likely lottery pick could work but why would they do it? They’d have to be awfully enamored of Kuminga and see things that our coaching staff doesn’t.
So I don’t think a trade is likely. Instead we have another two years of developing JK and finding a place for him. I’d like him him to be perfect now, sure. Crossing my fingers and hoping for the best.
The talk about kuminga is crazy, dude had a 60% TS, played great on ball defense and had a 112 to 108 ortg-drtg his rookie year. He shined when dray went out and got extended minutes next to beli a small ball five similar to jmg.
Kerr refuses to use him as a point of attack defender or in a GP2 role of cutting and dunker spot finishes.
Kerr obviously sees potential In him hes just playing the tough love game, theres no other reason kerr would play him the opposite of how he did last year and take away all his strengths unless kerr sees by developing his weaknesses kuminga would be a star.
I said it below but its need to be taken into consideration that kuminga is being asked to change his game more then any other player on the roster by being a perimeter facilitator/off ball defender, if you look at it that way you'll see he hasnt been that bad in his limited minutes
Who knew what the Warriors needed was more Ty Jerome??? He made more of an impact in that game than any two-way point guard made all last season. I apologize Ty for calling you a Cheese replacement, you can be so much more!
I'm a little surprised to see comments below about needing to pick one of Kuminga or Wiseman. It's only been six games.
Last night sucked, and I'm guessing tonight's going to suck as well.
But, that's not a reason to give up on anyone, even if positionally/skill-wise, they aren't a good fit right now. I mean we're 3-3 (fine for now) and Kerr's been trying some very oddball combinations.
Even if you feel they should trade one (I don't), let's give them 20 games or so to get out of experimentation mode before we start giving up on really high picks, which we aren't going to see much of in the near future.
There is no chance (barring injuries) we'll be out of the playoff picture if we wait a bit on blowing it up, even if all this experimentation puts us in a lower seed than we would like.
Ugly game, I did not enjoy the 'hack-a-Plumlee' comeback, that's not Warriors basketball imho. Most of all I didn't like the handling of the errors (honestly glaring) by JW and JK. Shutting them up in the closet and no dinner for punishment is not the fastest way for them to learn. I'd like them to have had a chance at rehab in the third quarter. After all, awe lost anyway, and we ended up without lucidity.
Missed the game, and just finised watching the highlights. OK. JK got DNP'd last night during a win. But he only got 2.5 minutes tonight in a loss. I'd much rather see him for 20 minutes in a loss than for 2 minutes. I know I'm supposed to trust in Kerr, but why does he continue to try and play Kuminga at the 3 with a center and JMG? JK is a 4 at this point for the Dubs, and Kerr should be using him that way.
Seriously, I'm beginning to wonder if the JMG acquisition was a mistake. I know he's playing well, but JK needs minutes if he's going to grow into a role, and Kerr isn't giving him much of an opportunity to succeed. Play him at the 4, with Dray or Looney as a C. But don't play him at a 3, then pull him after 2 minutes in a fucking loss.
Oh I forgot the best sign for the team with regards to this season. This Draymond seems much closer to peak Draymond in terms of athleticism. The fact that he's much quicker right now than he was in the postseason tells me his back was in significantly worse shape during the playoffs than he let on.
Starters weren't great today but I'm sure that's an anomaly (1pm starting time ain't exactly great).
But what we're seeing from Kuminga and Wiseman is not really good enough. I have faith that Kuminga will be a decent player (though his star potential is significantly lower than most would have you believe) in a better team context (smart shooting 5s who can play as a big on defense - see last year) for him. Wiseman is much more of a worry. Defensively he's obviously atrocious, but even offensively he tends to bring the team down despite good scoring volume and okay efficiency (rookie year efficiency was quite bad for a C, this year it has been really good). His spacing (not only that he lacks shooting - but rather that he doesn't know where to stand) and screening is not good enough for regular minutes right now.
Note that I'm not saying we lost because of them tonight (we didn't, they didn't play enough to make us lose). But to see the #2 pick and the #7 pick look as bad as they did tonight in their 3rd and 2nd year respectively is not a great sign.
Klay and Wiggins weren't great, but not really that worried about them. Steph and Dray were okay too (though it was far from their best game obviously). For a damn near perfect offensive player, Steph really needs to improve the quality of shots he generates as the final play in a quarter/half.
On the positive side, Poole and Moody looked quite good. These guys with Wiggins and Looney are our bridge to the future imo, but because they weren't a high pick they don't get the same high-potential label that some of their teammates get. Ty Jerome was also decent - he's a pretty good 2 way guy. Him and Q would've been perfect as the 2 2-ways for multiple reasons.
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After the ups and downs of last season and they still won the Championship, told myself I wasn't going to let the Dubs losses bother me like they did last year ( lost some sleep/ ruined my mood).
When I read that they were playing a depleted team coming off a tough loss I kinda figured how it would go. Reminds me of that loss to the Pacers at Chase last year, when it was literally Justin Holiday and their third string. That loss was probably worse and was also a front end of a back to back. Got the Steph game winner against Houston the following night. Bounce back against Pistons hopefully on the way.
The three consensus Western Conference favorites have all scuffled out of the gate:
DEN 4-3 (incl. losses to UTA, POR, LAL)
GS 3-4 (incl. losses to DET & CHA)
LAC 2-4 (incl. B2B losses to OKC)
Phoenix looking pretty great so far, but I don’t fear them.
Well shit, games PPV only today. Guess I can get some chores done.
A fun video about Steph, Klay, and Dray, by Athletic Alchemy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-jkgZZraHY
On JK, I’m 100% in the ‘chill, we have dozens of games of skill building for the younguns’ camp.
But. If he’s not a fit long or short term, then we should trade him? For what exactly? Someone good enough to crack our stuffed rotation seems awfully unlikely, and would cost far too much. JK remains inexpensive. Or we trade for picks …. Again what do we get? A good team that sees JK as a better fit yields us a low pick. A bad team with a likely lottery pick could work but why would they do it? They’d have to be awfully enamored of Kuminga and see things that our coaching staff doesn’t.
So I don’t think a trade is likely. Instead we have another two years of developing JK and finding a place for him. I’d like him him to be perfect now, sure. Crossing my fingers and hoping for the best.
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Klay Thompson is resting tonight in Detroit. Jordan Poole is questionable after rolling his ankle last night. Steph Curry and Draymond Green will play
The talk about kuminga is crazy, dude had a 60% TS, played great on ball defense and had a 112 to 108 ortg-drtg his rookie year. He shined when dray went out and got extended minutes next to beli a small ball five similar to jmg.
Kerr refuses to use him as a point of attack defender or in a GP2 role of cutting and dunker spot finishes.
Kerr obviously sees potential In him hes just playing the tough love game, theres no other reason kerr would play him the opposite of how he did last year and take away all his strengths unless kerr sees by developing his weaknesses kuminga would be a star.
I said it below but its need to be taken into consideration that kuminga is being asked to change his game more then any other player on the roster by being a perimeter facilitator/off ball defender, if you look at it that way you'll see he hasnt been that bad in his limited minutes
Who knew what the Warriors needed was more Ty Jerome??? He made more of an impact in that game than any two-way point guard made all last season. I apologize Ty for calling you a Cheese replacement, you can be so much more!
Now is the winter of our discontent.
I'm a little surprised to see comments below about needing to pick one of Kuminga or Wiseman. It's only been six games.
Last night sucked, and I'm guessing tonight's going to suck as well.
But, that's not a reason to give up on anyone, even if positionally/skill-wise, they aren't a good fit right now. I mean we're 3-3 (fine for now) and Kerr's been trying some very oddball combinations.
Even if you feel they should trade one (I don't), let's give them 20 games or so to get out of experimentation mode before we start giving up on really high picks, which we aren't going to see much of in the near future.
There is no chance (barring injuries) we'll be out of the playoff picture if we wait a bit on blowing it up, even if all this experimentation puts us in a lower seed than we would like.
Ugly game, I did not enjoy the 'hack-a-Plumlee' comeback, that's not Warriors basketball imho. Most of all I didn't like the handling of the errors (honestly glaring) by JW and JK. Shutting them up in the closet and no dinner for punishment is not the fastest way for them to learn. I'd like them to have had a chance at rehab in the third quarter. After all, awe lost anyway, and we ended up without lucidity.
Missed the game, and just finised watching the highlights. OK. JK got DNP'd last night during a win. But he only got 2.5 minutes tonight in a loss. I'd much rather see him for 20 minutes in a loss than for 2 minutes. I know I'm supposed to trust in Kerr, but why does he continue to try and play Kuminga at the 3 with a center and JMG? JK is a 4 at this point for the Dubs, and Kerr should be using him that way.
Seriously, I'm beginning to wonder if the JMG acquisition was a mistake. I know he's playing well, but JK needs minutes if he's going to grow into a role, and Kerr isn't giving him much of an opportunity to succeed. Play him at the 4, with Dray or Looney as a C. But don't play him at a 3, then pull him after 2 minutes in a fucking loss.
I noticed Bouknight played, albeit he shot poorly, but at least he was in there despite his recent problems.
Oh I forgot the best sign for the team with regards to this season. This Draymond seems much closer to peak Draymond in terms of athleticism. The fact that he's much quicker right now than he was in the postseason tells me his back was in significantly worse shape during the playoffs than he let on.
Starters weren't great today but I'm sure that's an anomaly (1pm starting time ain't exactly great).
But what we're seeing from Kuminga and Wiseman is not really good enough. I have faith that Kuminga will be a decent player (though his star potential is significantly lower than most would have you believe) in a better team context (smart shooting 5s who can play as a big on defense - see last year) for him. Wiseman is much more of a worry. Defensively he's obviously atrocious, but even offensively he tends to bring the team down despite good scoring volume and okay efficiency (rookie year efficiency was quite bad for a C, this year it has been really good). His spacing (not only that he lacks shooting - but rather that he doesn't know where to stand) and screening is not good enough for regular minutes right now.
Note that I'm not saying we lost because of them tonight (we didn't, they didn't play enough to make us lose). But to see the #2 pick and the #7 pick look as bad as they did tonight in their 3rd and 2nd year respectively is not a great sign.
Klay and Wiggins weren't great, but not really that worried about them. Steph and Dray were okay too (though it was far from their best game obviously). For a damn near perfect offensive player, Steph really needs to improve the quality of shots he generates as the final play in a quarter/half.
On the positive side, Poole and Moody looked quite good. These guys with Wiggins and Looney are our bridge to the future imo, but because they weren't a high pick they don't get the same high-potential label that some of their teammates get. Ty Jerome was also decent - he's a pretty good 2 way guy. Him and Q would've been perfect as the 2 2-ways for multiple reasons.
Wise and JK getting shut down tonight… tough love there, with both not showing up ready tonight.
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Thanks. I feel better already.
After the ups and downs of last season and they still won the Championship, told myself I wasn't going to let the Dubs losses bother me like they did last year ( lost some sleep/ ruined my mood).
When I read that they were playing a depleted team coming off a tough loss I kinda figured how it would go. Reminds me of that loss to the Pacers at Chase last year, when it was literally Justin Holiday and their third string. That loss was probably worse and was also a front end of a back to back. Got the Steph game winner against Houston the following night. Bounce back against Pistons hopefully on the way.