Last night's game was just the third game in NBA history in which any team:
1) had a three point attempt rate >= 51.7%,
2) had a true shooting percentage >= 63.0%,
3) had an offensive rebounding percentage >= 32.4%, and
4) committed 13 or fewer personal fouls.
It is the only such game in NBA history in which the same team also had 9 or more steals.
Yes, I had to dig deep for that one, but 13 personal fouls is very low (especially together with 9 or more steals) and a true shooting percentage of 63.0% and an offensive rebounding percentage of 32.5% is very high.
Even if you forget about the three point attempt rate, there have been just 8 other games in NBA history (all victories) in which any team posted the same or higher true shooting percentage, offensive rebounding percentage, and number of steals while committing the same or fewer fouls than the Warriors committed last night: https://www.sports-reference.com/stathead/tiny/GzisA
Basically, the Warriors bombed away from the outside while securing just enough of their misses and applying just enough (strategically?) sporadic defensive pressure to win the game comfortably.
All this trade got talk has got me thinking about the other side of the coin. To wit: assuming JK and, say, Buddy, plus a pick/whatever get sent out for one guy making around $30mm. Starter level salary. So which starter gets benched? Moody is the most likely candidate, upgraded for a much better wing. Or what am I missing? Whoever it is has to be an offensive threat or we’re right back to a clogged up mess. Or possibly a better center (who?) that sends Post to the bench?
I wonder if Claxton could play at least a few minutes per game with Post? I'm not sure if he (Claxton) ever played real non-center minutes, but his game on both ends might mesh pretty well with Post's.
I’d think Gafford or Claxton would both pair really nicely with QP, but you gotta be able to move Draymond to the bench without disruptions. Both are excellent, athletic and active defenders who can move out away from the basket and let QP stay around the rim.
On offense, they’re offensive upgrades over DG and and would be able to rim run in all the space QP creates.
I think both Gafford and Claxton would start at center with Dray at PF and Post coming off the bench, depending on the matchup. But Post could still get a lot of minutes (basically all the minutes Dray wasn't on the floor)
Warriors schedule next 10 games: 1/5- @ Clippers; 1/7- vs. Bucks; 1/9- vs. Kings; 1/11- vs. Hawks; 1/13- vs. Blazers; 1/15- vs. Knicks; 1/17- vs. Hornets; 1/19- vs. Heat; 1/20- vs. Raptors (B2B); 1/22- @ Mavs
Lakers schedule next 10 games: 1/4- vs. Grizzlies; 1/6- @ Pels; 1/7- @ Spurs (B2B); 1/9- vs. Bucks; 1/12- @ Kings; 1/13- vs. Hawks (B2B); 1/15- vs. Hornets; 1/17- @ Blazers; 1/18- vs. Raptors; 1/20- @ Nuggets
Suns schedule next 10 games: 1/4- vs. Thunder; 1/5- @ Rockets (B2B); 1/7- @ Grizzlies; 1/9- vs. Knicks; 1/11- vs. Wizards; 1/13- @ Heat; 1/15- @ Pistons; 1/17- @ Knicks; 1/19- @ Nets; 1/20- @ 76ers (B2B)
- Good win (haven't been able to watch the highlights yet). I think 99% of fans thought we would split the B2B and we did. It does suck for the fans who went to the OKC game, although to be honest, I'm not sure what the solution is, other than eliminating B2B's. And of course, teams used to do this all the time against the OG dynasty and KD Warriors (even on non-B2B's), which has probably helped reduce the wear-and-tear on Curry and helped extend his career somewhat.
- With very few exceptions, Lacob has been willing to spend $$$ to get whatever Kerr and the FO wanted. We've been in the tax the vast majority of the time he's been owner, and if we do stop at an apron level, it's probably going to be because we're hard-capped or there's a basketball reason to do so, not financial.
- I don't think we're going to be in a Chelsea (and now Man Utd?) situation (where the ownership/their front office representatives basically controls player movement decisions, alienating the managers/coaches) going forward. Hopefully Lacob learned his lesson from Wiseman (and Smailagić), but we won't know how much independence MDJ has until there's a rumor of disagreement between him and Lacob (so who knows). The other question is: how much input do the players have in drafting and trades (Curry has a ton of influence, of course, but we'll probably never know how much input, for example, Dray had in the JK/Moody draft)
- no one knows what the post-Curry era is going to be like (or even when it's going to start), but I appreciate the Warriors not panicking and immediately dumping the "2nd timeline players" and the post-Curry picks.
- I do hope that Lacob swings for the fences post-Kerr (assuming the Kerr and Curry eras end up ending at the same time) and hires a young coach with new ideas. If it doesn't work, it's not like we're getting relegated, and we're absolutely going to suck for at least one season post-Curry.
I think Lacob meddles too much in basketball decisions. Even if they put it to a vote to make decisions, how can a subordinate overrule him. Jerry West had to threaten to quit the team to keep Klay from getting traded for Love.
He did (and might still). But our drafting and trades in the MDJ era (Podz definitely wasn't a flashy Wiseman-like pick, and although we tried for KD, it at least made sense, and then we pivoted to a relatively asset-cheap trade for Butler).
AD might be the litmus test for the MDJ/Kerr-Lacob relationship. If there's a difference of opinion on Davis or another big trade, it might tell a lot about the future. But of course, there's always tons of smokescreens around this time every year, so who knows.
Also, who knows what Kerr thinks about AD/Murphy/MPJ, etc. All of this will become clear in the next 2 weeks, though, I guess.
The one wild card in this is Dray's player option/extension, which probably involves Curry, too.
He can ask for that but a team would have to be really really dumb to give that. Many missed games due to injury in his career already, and his body isn't going to get *less* fragile with age...
That is the report coming out of his camp. He will ask for a max extension from either the Mavs or the team that lands him. And we've seen him give up on his team and demand a trade while with the Pelicans.
A lot of the trade calls I've ever seen focus on the offensive capabilities of the targeted player. THere was for example a lot of talk about Kuminga and picks for Markkanen, for a while there. And no one ever said Lauri was a stopper.
I'm wondering if maybe the Warriors might be best off looking for a dynamic defender, because their offense feeds off of disruption on the defensive end. If we look at the height of the dynasty era, a lot of it was a suffocating defense leading to runouts. Obviously the team was also great at half court offense, and obviously, in an ideal world we'd trade for a player who is awesome on defense and offense both. But this is not an ideal world and I wonder if there are some defensive specialists who could help. A Jaden McDaniels type. That's not an actual suggestion, I haven't looked into the salary, I'm just wondering who might be out there.
Imo the team’s biggest weakness is offensive creation outside of Steph. Jimmy does a little to fill that hole, but not enough. Theoretically that could’ve/should’ve been JK’s role, but it just hasn’t worked out the way anyone hoped there.
Fortunately, our defense has been solid for the most part, so we can afford to look for guys who might be slight negatives on that end while still providing the scoring we need.
I think that's partially because most people overrate one-dimensional offense guys and underrate defense (see: people who still pine for Poole and don't like Moody), but also with this particular roster there is a lack of positive offensive players and the defense has been pretty good.
That's why I think a Trey Murphy or Michael Porter-type (good offense, less good D) would be a better fit for this team than Herb Jones (bad offense, dynamic defender).
Anyone with BBIQ who can learn the Stackhouse shuffle might end up looking much better on D than expected. Post is the poster-child for that. (I also love how we now seem to have more help coverage for the on-ball defense. The first defender can now sell out going for the steal, but if the attacker gets by them then ha-ha, there’s another warrior right there. Worked great last night on several occasions.)
I thought MPJ’s salary was excessive when DEN offered it. Zero defense.
Love Trey and Herb but I’ll bet Dumars demands a king’s ransom. I wonder if MDJ gets players who are more under the radar. I wish he’d gotten Gafford instead of CPIII from WAS in ‘23. 😭
>>>Payton Pritchard lands on Derrick Jones Jr. during a hustle play and Jones is getting injured, helped to the locker room (with replays). Including a similar injury DJJ had against the Celtics, in the past, when Jaylen Brown landed on his same foot during a hustle play.<<<
>>>Alperen Şengün rolls his ankle after landing on Daniel Gafford's foot, just 64 seconds into the game - went to the locker room and did not return tonight<<<
Their starting lineup last night was Thompson, Eason, Durant, Smith Jr., and Sengun. With Sengun leaving the game super early due to an injury last night and them not having Adams available, they had to put Capela in. Their new lineup has a lot of tall players, but it has no actual playmakers.
As a result, they had to chuck up a lot of shots in hopes that they would go in. Thompson, Eason, and Durant were the only players in double digits for the Rockets. The team shot 39% overall and 24% on threes, while the Mavs shot 55% overall and 38% on threes.
I’ve never seen this site turn nasty on so many of our own guys. The Draymond hate when he was ejected on a bullshit second tech? The nightly tribunals on how disappointed you are in Moody or Podz? The constant It’s all Kerr’s fault chorus? I mostly love you guys - but the Bay already has plenty of entitled whiners - can’t we be fans of our team here?
Yeah, I tend to stay away from here after a loss, not just because I'm sad they lost but because the finger pointing and all is lost braying that breaks out is not healthy for me to be around.
Game threads are where you get to see the worst out of people due to people venting. This is relatively common on places like Reddit, SBNation, etc.. For example, on Niners Nation, I've been seeing people blaming the coaches, players, and whatnot whenever the 49ers do poorly. The reality is that the team has been hit with so many injuries to key players that they've been trotting out backups and rookies with little to no experience in the NFL. A lot of people on game threads ignore that and expect the team to do super well despite the numerous setbacks they've been facing all season.
No must of it is bad. It's like Kerr and Dray could cure cancer and ppl would still hate them. Even warriors' report Monet and Bonta have been signaling to trade Draymond.
I hope my own negative comments are mostly just in the game threads after frustrating moments, and I do try to balance them with positive comments after good events
I don't think I've turned nasty on my own guys. I think my own guys have been disappointing to me, and I don't apologize for being disappointed and saying so.
I watch basketball because I like it, and I'm a fan of the team and its players. But I'm not ride or die with a guy who just can't control his temper like Draymond. He doesn't have to do all that shit, and I don't have to like it. That doesn't mean I hate him, that doesn't mean I abandon the team, that means no one needs to get two Ts in three seconds because Eric Philipowski was in the key for five seconds (although he did step out in the middle)
And I have been careful to say that I don't think it's ALL Kerr's fault, because that's not what I think. I think it's *some* his fault. I stand by that.
I think wanting one's team to be better and looking for answers is not "entitled whining." It's a search for better.
That said, tone and manner matter a lot. Just calling players names or wanting someone to be traded without providing some sort of argument as to why or who they should be traded for would be entitlement. Saying "Moody has been so passive lately and Podz keeps missing his threes, what about if we trade them for MPJ" is just basketball talk.
And, speaking as a (fading) Kuminga stan, I would suggest that no player in recent years has received more calumny on this site. He may deserve critique, he may not, but let's not act like this recent spate you're referring to is new.
I've ping ponged on this issue quite a bit over the years.
On the one hand, I find it quite sickening how negatively people talked about KD/Poole when they left. It gave me flashbacks to my time as a Raiders fan, how quickly fans turned against them despite all they've given us.
On the other hand, however, part of what makes being a fan so enjoyable is the ability to engage, to feel a part of something bigger. To strip away the ability to critique would be to lose a considerable portion of the enjoyment.
So I settled on making my critiques as substantive as possible, referencing stats/specific film, avoiding critiques of personal character.
However, in recent times, I've witnessed the moblike tendencies that swamp these players. Kuminga, and in recent times Podziemski, has been subject to a tidal wave of criticism, fair and uncalled for.
I can't quite elucidate it, but adding my own critiques has felt like adding water to a pool where someone else is already drowning. Hence, why I largely stay away from Kuminga/Podz criticism nowadays and focus my attentions on people like Post.
And the thing about Kuminga: a good deal of the criticism of his play is fair. If he misses free throws or doesn't make the pass, people critique, fair enough. But because the issue with him often appears to be BBIQ, rather than talent, his character all too often enters the conversation. I've seen posts that come perilously close to saying he is too stupid to do what is needed, or that certainly say he doesn't have the will or ability to learn better. That he doesn't care, that his sole motivation is to "get his" that he "just wants to be Kobe."
That stuff is what gets to me most. It's not fair, it's not reasonable, it's not in the spirit of what we are doing here, and some of it feels uncomfortably close to having racist overtones. The trope of "He's hyper athletic but can't learn" is very uncomfortable to hear about a player who was born and raised in Africa. I won't say that that's the only reason he gets criticized, that I somehow know what is in the hearts of those who post, but the vibe feels really unpleasant sometimes. Which is why I share your view of trying to just get away from it.
I don’t think we should beat ourselves up about it too much. It’s just that we care, and we have witnessed how even the smallest of things can tip the difference between dynastic dominance and also-ran oblivion. In Draymond’s case, we saw how his “empowering” hubris made everything possible, and then we saw it drive KD away. I think we are all quite legitimately worried that his legacy could descend into tragedy if he cannot distill that hubris, keeping the confidence and removing the petulance. I appreciate that this is a big ask. After all, his game depends so often on throwing shadows and planting doubt. If the refs don’t see it then his advantage is gone. I hearby call on his wife to “take him down a peg or two”. Kerr, I suspect, has given up.
I think we can both agree this issue is not limited to Warrior sites. It's our world, particularly in online anonymous venues -- vitriol is common, character assassination is considered acceptable, venom is everywhere. Which is why I heartily agree with My Sarunas's, and your, main point, which is a call for civility. Absolutely. The real challenge is to balance civility with engaged and animated disagreement. I think we can do that, and I think people often do indeed do that on this site. If they did not, if it were just like every other fan site that quickly turns into ad hominem bile, then I would never have spent more than five minutes here. Let us recommit ourselves to the call for decency.
I would say, get used to it. We're likely going to be in a rebuild at the end of next season. There will be plenty of (deserved) negativity on this site, just because the team is probably not going to be very good.
This year's team is not as good as expected, and has some significant flaws. It would be as silly to just gloss over that and be rah-rah fans.
Oh, to be sure. If it's all backbiting and venting, then this site wouldn't be any different than anywhere else. If people walk because it exceeds their tolerance, they walk. Everyone's threshold is different. So far, I don't find the negativity that objectionable, TBH.
I just think it's inevitable that the negativity will increase from a period where the team has had it's longest run of success, ever.
It could be that this does resonate more with old-timers or fans of other bad teams. Maybe we know how to focus more on small "wins" amidst actual losses, since we learned to find joy in slim pickings: J-Rich dunk, some Antawn Jamison tip-in, Stephen Jackson going off, etc., etc.
It’s not all that new… if we don’t make a big run here, it’s gonna get worse as Steph rides off into the sunset of his career and we all have opinions on how it could have gone better… the plight of the fading dynasty.
So back to E1Ps. EA I love your commentary and analysis, so I’m really missing these post victory break-downs. Getting picked up by the Warriors is an excellent achievement, but at what cost? Can you share with us what to expect in terms of publishing frequency (I.e. after all/most/some/? victories)? And timing - do the Warriors have editorial control and release timing? What else should we know?
I love GP2 so much. He brings the best vibes (and his steals and cuts aren't bad either)! Also ups to Trayce for his rebounding and finishing at the rim.
New E1P / open thread coming at 2pm Pacific. Please file over there in an orderly fashion at that time.
Last night's game was just the third game in NBA history in which any team:
1) had a three point attempt rate >= 51.7%,
2) had a true shooting percentage >= 63.0%,
3) had an offensive rebounding percentage >= 32.4%, and
4) committed 13 or fewer personal fouls.
It is the only such game in NBA history in which the same team also had 9 or more steals.
Yes, I had to dig deep for that one, but 13 personal fouls is very low (especially together with 9 or more steals) and a true shooting percentage of 63.0% and an offensive rebounding percentage of 32.5% is very high.
Even if you forget about the three point attempt rate, there have been just 8 other games in NBA history (all victories) in which any team posted the same or higher true shooting percentage, offensive rebounding percentage, and number of steals while committing the same or fewer fouls than the Warriors committed last night: https://www.sports-reference.com/stathead/tiny/GzisA
Basically, the Warriors bombed away from the outside while securing just enough of their misses and applying just enough (strategically?) sporadic defensive pressure to win the game comfortably.
All this trade got talk has got me thinking about the other side of the coin. To wit: assuming JK and, say, Buddy, plus a pick/whatever get sent out for one guy making around $30mm. Starter level salary. So which starter gets benched? Moody is the most likely candidate, upgraded for a much better wing. Or what am I missing? Whoever it is has to be an offensive threat or we’re right back to a clogged up mess. Or possibly a better center (who?) that sends Post to the bench?
I wonder if Claxton could play at least a few minutes per game with Post? I'm not sure if he (Claxton) ever played real non-center minutes, but his game on both ends might mesh pretty well with Post's.
Curry melton jimmy claxton post would be a nice starting lineup, imagine curry claxton PnRs with claxtons passing
I’d think Gafford or Claxton would both pair really nicely with QP, but you gotta be able to move Draymond to the bench without disruptions. Both are excellent, athletic and active defenders who can move out away from the basket and let QP stay around the rim.
On offense, they’re offensive upgrades over DG and and would be able to rim run in all the space QP creates.
> On offense, they’re offensive upgrades over DG
Scoring, not offensive
Claxton is by far an offensive upgrade over draymond green, what are you watching
I think Draymond’s playmaking is less critical with Jimmy on board.
I think both Gafford and Claxton would start at center with Dray at PF and Post coming off the bench, depending on the matchup. But Post could still get a lot of minutes (basically all the minutes Dray wasn't on the floor)
Would either of those be a big upgrade over Post? How big?
Warriors schedule next 10 games: 1/5- @ Clippers; 1/7- vs. Bucks; 1/9- vs. Kings; 1/11- vs. Hawks; 1/13- vs. Blazers; 1/15- vs. Knicks; 1/17- vs. Hornets; 1/19- vs. Heat; 1/20- vs. Raptors (B2B); 1/22- @ Mavs
Lakers schedule next 10 games: 1/4- vs. Grizzlies; 1/6- @ Pels; 1/7- @ Spurs (B2B); 1/9- vs. Bucks; 1/12- @ Kings; 1/13- vs. Hawks (B2B); 1/15- vs. Hornets; 1/17- @ Blazers; 1/18- vs. Raptors; 1/20- @ Nuggets
Suns schedule next 10 games: 1/4- vs. Thunder; 1/5- @ Rockets (B2B); 1/7- @ Grizzlies; 1/9- vs. Knicks; 1/11- vs. Wizards; 1/13- @ Heat; 1/15- @ Pistons; 1/17- @ Knicks; 1/19- @ Nets; 1/20- @ 76ers (B2B)
random non-trade stuff [sorry, long]
- Good win (haven't been able to watch the highlights yet). I think 99% of fans thought we would split the B2B and we did. It does suck for the fans who went to the OKC game, although to be honest, I'm not sure what the solution is, other than eliminating B2B's. And of course, teams used to do this all the time against the OG dynasty and KD Warriors (even on non-B2B's), which has probably helped reduce the wear-and-tear on Curry and helped extend his career somewhat.
- With very few exceptions, Lacob has been willing to spend $$$ to get whatever Kerr and the FO wanted. We've been in the tax the vast majority of the time he's been owner, and if we do stop at an apron level, it's probably going to be because we're hard-capped or there's a basketball reason to do so, not financial.
- I don't think we're going to be in a Chelsea (and now Man Utd?) situation (where the ownership/their front office representatives basically controls player movement decisions, alienating the managers/coaches) going forward. Hopefully Lacob learned his lesson from Wiseman (and Smailagić), but we won't know how much independence MDJ has until there's a rumor of disagreement between him and Lacob (so who knows). The other question is: how much input do the players have in drafting and trades (Curry has a ton of influence, of course, but we'll probably never know how much input, for example, Dray had in the JK/Moody draft)
- no one knows what the post-Curry era is going to be like (or even when it's going to start), but I appreciate the Warriors not panicking and immediately dumping the "2nd timeline players" and the post-Curry picks.
- I do hope that Lacob swings for the fences post-Kerr (assuming the Kerr and Curry eras end up ending at the same time) and hires a young coach with new ideas. If it doesn't work, it's not like we're getting relegated, and we're absolutely going to suck for at least one season post-Curry.
I think Lacob meddles too much in basketball decisions. Even if they put it to a vote to make decisions, how can a subordinate overrule him. Jerry West had to threaten to quit the team to keep Klay from getting traded for Love.
He did (and might still). But our drafting and trades in the MDJ era (Podz definitely wasn't a flashy Wiseman-like pick, and although we tried for KD, it at least made sense, and then we pivoted to a relatively asset-cheap trade for Butler).
AD might be the litmus test for the MDJ/Kerr-Lacob relationship. If there's a difference of opinion on Davis or another big trade, it might tell a lot about the future. But of course, there's always tons of smokescreens around this time every year, so who knows.
Also, who knows what Kerr thinks about AD/Murphy/MPJ, etc. All of this will become clear in the next 2 weeks, though, I guess.
The one wild card in this is Dray's player option/extension, which probably involves Curry, too.
To trade for AD, the team that gets him would have to offer a 4 year, 275M extension? That is a spicy meatball.
If some team actually trades for him, I'm going to be amused.
As it is, the receiving team is on the hook for $170 mil +. Insane for a guy as brittle as he is.
Make it 4/$27.5M and I’m in.
Otherwise, no thanks.
He can ask for that but a team would have to be really really dumb to give that. Many missed games due to injury in his career already, and his body isn't going to get *less* fragile with age...
That is the report coming out of his camp. He will ask for a max extension from either the Mavs or the team that lands him. And we've seen him give up on his team and demand a trade while with the Pelicans.
We need a team of him, Zion, Kawhi, the Perennially Injured. just roll the dice and see what happens Who else am I missing?
PG13 and Embiid
Steph Curry. That guy has glass ankles, won't make it past his rookie contract
A lot of grumbling for an old team that's 6-4 in last 10 games
A lot of the trade calls I've ever seen focus on the offensive capabilities of the targeted player. THere was for example a lot of talk about Kuminga and picks for Markkanen, for a while there. And no one ever said Lauri was a stopper.
I'm wondering if maybe the Warriors might be best off looking for a dynamic defender, because their offense feeds off of disruption on the defensive end. If we look at the height of the dynasty era, a lot of it was a suffocating defense leading to runouts. Obviously the team was also great at half court offense, and obviously, in an ideal world we'd trade for a player who is awesome on defense and offense both. But this is not an ideal world and I wonder if there are some defensive specialists who could help. A Jaden McDaniels type. That's not an actual suggestion, I haven't looked into the salary, I'm just wondering who might be out there.
Dyson Daniels officially coveted
I think Trey Murphy fits the bill pretty well - a prolific shooter who has good length and is a pretty good defender.
Imo the team’s biggest weakness is offensive creation outside of Steph. Jimmy does a little to fill that hole, but not enough. Theoretically that could’ve/should’ve been JK’s role, but it just hasn’t worked out the way anyone hoped there.
Fortunately, our defense has been solid for the most part, so we can afford to look for guys who might be slight negatives on that end while still providing the scoring we need.
That's true. Warriors offensive rating is still stuck at 20 or worse throughout most of the season. Upgrade at the offense is much needed.
100% agree
I think that's partially because most people overrate one-dimensional offense guys and underrate defense (see: people who still pine for Poole and don't like Moody), but also with this particular roster there is a lack of positive offensive players and the defense has been pretty good.
That's why I think a Trey Murphy or Michael Porter-type (good offense, less good D) would be a better fit for this team than Herb Jones (bad offense, dynamic defender).
Anyone with BBIQ who can learn the Stackhouse shuffle might end up looking much better on D than expected. Post is the poster-child for that. (I also love how we now seem to have more help coverage for the on-ball defense. The first defender can now sell out going for the steal, but if the attacker gets by them then ha-ha, there’s another warrior right there. Worked great last night on several occasions.)
Trey Murphy salary: $25 mil (2025-26), $27 mil (26-27), $29 mil (27-28), $31 mil (28-29)
MPJ salary: $38.33 mil (2025-26), $40.8 mil (26-27)
Herbert Jones: $13.9 mil (2025-26), $14.9 mil (26-27), $20.8 mil (27-28), $22.5 mil (28-29), $24.2 mil (29-30, player option)
I thought MPJ’s salary was excessive when DEN offered it. Zero defense.
Love Trey and Herb but I’ll bet Dumars demands a king’s ransom. I wonder if MDJ gets players who are more under the radar. I wish he’d gotten Gafford instead of CPIII from WAS in ‘23. 😭
MPJ would be great here
If we're focusing on defense, Gafford provides some much needed shotblocking/rim protection while also being a very good interior scorer.
TJD's recent spate of minutes showcases that we can interweave a non-spacing big even with Butler/Dray.
>>>Payton Pritchard lands on Derrick Jones Jr. during a hustle play and Jones is getting injured, helped to the locker room (with replays). Including a similar injury DJJ had against the Celtics, in the past, when Jaylen Brown landed on his same foot during a hustle play.<<<
https://old.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1q3r9jd/injury_payton_pritchard_lands_on_derrick_jones_jr/
Brown landed on Jones Jr.'s foot in the game at Boston on 11/16. DJJ missed the next six weeks and didn't play until the Pistons game on 12/28.
>>>Alperen Şengün rolls his ankle after landing on Daniel Gafford's foot, just 64 seconds into the game - went to the locker room and did not return tonight<<<
https://old.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1q3ne6j/injury_alperen_%C5%9Feng%C3%BCn_rolls_his_ankle_after/
So that's why the Rockets lost to the Mavs last night.
Yeah they should really be able to beat the Mavs without him
Their starting lineup last night was Thompson, Eason, Durant, Smith Jr., and Sengun. With Sengun leaving the game super early due to an injury last night and them not having Adams available, they had to put Capela in. Their new lineup has a lot of tall players, but it has no actual playmakers.
As a result, they had to chuck up a lot of shots in hopes that they would go in. Thompson, Eason, and Durant were the only players in double digits for the Rockets. The team shot 39% overall and 24% on threes, while the Mavs shot 55% overall and 38% on threes.
I’ve never seen this site turn nasty on so many of our own guys. The Draymond hate when he was ejected on a bullshit second tech? The nightly tribunals on how disappointed you are in Moody or Podz? The constant It’s all Kerr’s fault chorus? I mostly love you guys - but the Bay already has plenty of entitled whiners - can’t we be fans of our team here?
It's really only a select few but they post a LOT. Like if you scream something loud enough long enough then maybe you will get people to follow you.
I wish there was an ignore feature but I just scroll down past the eye rolling posts.
You can mute or block certain users by clicking on their profile.
There is. You can block
Yeah, I tend to stay away from here after a loss, not just because I'm sad they lost but because the finger pointing and all is lost braying that breaks out is not healthy for me to be around.
Agreed, I’ve had to bow out of some game threads as a result and as noted below it isn’t limited to just game threads.
Game threads are where you get to see the worst out of people due to people venting. This is relatively common on places like Reddit, SBNation, etc.. For example, on Niners Nation, I've been seeing people blaming the coaches, players, and whatnot whenever the 49ers do poorly. The reality is that the team has been hit with so many injuries to key players that they've been trotting out backups and rookies with little to no experience in the NFL. A lot of people on game threads ignore that and expect the team to do super well despite the numerous setbacks they've been facing all season.
As you said that's mostly venting. Like yelling at the TV over a stupid turnover.
A lot of these takes after are just eye rolling.
No must of it is bad. It's like Kerr and Dray could cure cancer and ppl would still hate them. Even warriors' report Monet and Bonta have been signaling to trade Draymond.
Yes, but it is spilling over out of game threads, for good ill or indifferent.
I hope my own negative comments are mostly just in the game threads after frustrating moments, and I do try to balance them with positive comments after good events
I don't think I've turned nasty on my own guys. I think my own guys have been disappointing to me, and I don't apologize for being disappointed and saying so.
I watch basketball because I like it, and I'm a fan of the team and its players. But I'm not ride or die with a guy who just can't control his temper like Draymond. He doesn't have to do all that shit, and I don't have to like it. That doesn't mean I hate him, that doesn't mean I abandon the team, that means no one needs to get two Ts in three seconds because Eric Philipowski was in the key for five seconds (although he did step out in the middle)
And I have been careful to say that I don't think it's ALL Kerr's fault, because that's not what I think. I think it's *some* his fault. I stand by that.
I think wanting one's team to be better and looking for answers is not "entitled whining." It's a search for better.
That said, tone and manner matter a lot. Just calling players names or wanting someone to be traded without providing some sort of argument as to why or who they should be traded for would be entitlement. Saying "Moody has been so passive lately and Podz keeps missing his threes, what about if we trade them for MPJ" is just basketball talk.
And, speaking as a (fading) Kuminga stan, I would suggest that no player in recent years has received more calumny on this site. He may deserve critique, he may not, but let's not act like this recent spate you're referring to is new.
I've ping ponged on this issue quite a bit over the years.
On the one hand, I find it quite sickening how negatively people talked about KD/Poole when they left. It gave me flashbacks to my time as a Raiders fan, how quickly fans turned against them despite all they've given us.
On the other hand, however, part of what makes being a fan so enjoyable is the ability to engage, to feel a part of something bigger. To strip away the ability to critique would be to lose a considerable portion of the enjoyment.
So I settled on making my critiques as substantive as possible, referencing stats/specific film, avoiding critiques of personal character.
However, in recent times, I've witnessed the moblike tendencies that swamp these players. Kuminga, and in recent times Podziemski, has been subject to a tidal wave of criticism, fair and uncalled for.
I can't quite elucidate it, but adding my own critiques has felt like adding water to a pool where someone else is already drowning. Hence, why I largely stay away from Kuminga/Podz criticism nowadays and focus my attentions on people like Post.
> So I settled on making my critiques as substantive as possible, referencing stats/specific film, avoiding critiques of personal character.
Well said. I think this is something we should all strive for.
And the thing about Kuminga: a good deal of the criticism of his play is fair. If he misses free throws or doesn't make the pass, people critique, fair enough. But because the issue with him often appears to be BBIQ, rather than talent, his character all too often enters the conversation. I've seen posts that come perilously close to saying he is too stupid to do what is needed, or that certainly say he doesn't have the will or ability to learn better. That he doesn't care, that his sole motivation is to "get his" that he "just wants to be Kobe."
That stuff is what gets to me most. It's not fair, it's not reasonable, it's not in the spirit of what we are doing here, and some of it feels uncomfortably close to having racist overtones. The trope of "He's hyper athletic but can't learn" is very uncomfortable to hear about a player who was born and raised in Africa. I won't say that that's the only reason he gets criticized, that I somehow know what is in the hearts of those who post, but the vibe feels really unpleasant sometimes. Which is why I share your view of trying to just get away from it.
I don’t think we should beat ourselves up about it too much. It’s just that we care, and we have witnessed how even the smallest of things can tip the difference between dynastic dominance and also-ran oblivion. In Draymond’s case, we saw how his “empowering” hubris made everything possible, and then we saw it drive KD away. I think we are all quite legitimately worried that his legacy could descend into tragedy if he cannot distill that hubris, keeping the confidence and removing the petulance. I appreciate that this is a big ask. After all, his game depends so often on throwing shadows and planting doubt. If the refs don’t see it then his advantage is gone. I hearby call on his wife to “take him down a peg or two”. Kerr, I suspect, has given up.
I think we can both agree this issue is not limited to Warrior sites. It's our world, particularly in online anonymous venues -- vitriol is common, character assassination is considered acceptable, venom is everywhere. Which is why I heartily agree with My Sarunas's, and your, main point, which is a call for civility. Absolutely. The real challenge is to balance civility with engaged and animated disagreement. I think we can do that, and I think people often do indeed do that on this site. If they did not, if it were just like every other fan site that quickly turns into ad hominem bile, then I would never have spent more than five minutes here. Let us recommit ourselves to the call for decency.
I mean the GT is the GT and people are gonna vent. When it moves over to post game threads is when it's more concerning.
I would say, get used to it. We're likely going to be in a rebuild at the end of next season. There will be plenty of (deserved) negativity on this site, just because the team is probably not going to be very good.
This year's team is not as good as expected, and has some significant flaws. It would be as silly to just gloss over that and be rah-rah fans.
Rather than “get used to it”, I’ll probably walk before that. Well, more realistically just fade away. I don’t subscribe to the Kirgan’s philosophy.
[EDIT] To be crystal clear, I’m fine with criticisms and have my own. That said, there are lines that are crossed and it’s getting worse.
Oh, to be sure. If it's all backbiting and venting, then this site wouldn't be any different than anywhere else. If people walk because it exceeds their tolerance, they walk. Everyone's threshold is different. So far, I don't find the negativity that objectionable, TBH.
I just think it's inevitable that the negativity will increase from a period where the team has had it's longest run of success, ever.
Why can't we be like Sisyphus and just enjoy the struggle!!
I suspect this is in jest, but I'm pretty sure I will. I found things to be enthused about in the Cohan years.
A rebuild doesn't bother me (4 titles is plenty), as long we have some picks with some hope of getting better.
It could be that this does resonate more with old-timers or fans of other bad teams. Maybe we know how to focus more on small "wins" amidst actual losses, since we learned to find joy in slim pickings: J-Rich dunk, some Antawn Jamison tip-in, Stephen Jackson going off, etc., etc.
It’s not all that new… if we don’t make a big run here, it’s gonna get worse as Steph rides off into the sunset of his career and we all have opinions on how it could have gone better… the plight of the fading dynasty.
So back to E1Ps. EA I love your commentary and analysis, so I’m really missing these post victory break-downs. Getting picked up by the Warriors is an excellent achievement, but at what cost? Can you share with us what to expect in terms of publishing frequency (I.e. after all/most/some/? victories)? And timing - do the Warriors have editorial control and release timing? What else should we know?
I respond to these questions in the post coming at 2pm!
Other stats:
Love: (-4)
5 points, 2/6 FGs, 1/4 threes
11 rebounds (1 off.), 5 assists, 1 turnover
Filipowski: (-4)
7 points, 3/3 FGs, 1/2 FTs
1 rebound, 1 assist, 1 steal, 2 blocks
Williams: (-1)
6 points, 3/4 FGs
3 rebounds (2 off.)
Collier: (-14)
8 points, 4/8 FGs, 0/1 three, 0/2 FTs
5 rebounds (1 off.), 7 assists, 1 turnover, 3 steals, 1 block
Clayton Jr.: (-6)
8 points, 2/6 FGs, 2/5 threes, 2/2 FTs
3 rebounds, 2 assists
Green: (-15)
8 points, 3/4 FGs, 1/2 threes, 1/1 FT
3 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 turnover
Moody: (+16)
8 points, 3/8 FGs, 2/6 threes
1 rebound, 2 assists, 1 turnover, 1 steal
Podziemski: (+6)
6 points, 2/7 FGs, 1/4 threes, 1/2 FTs
6 rebounds (1 off.), 8 assists
Richard: (-1)
8 points, 3/5 FGs, 2/4 threes
2 rebounds, 2 turnovers
Santos: (+4)
0 points, 0/2 FGs, 0/1 three
1 rebound, 2 assists, 1 steal
Notable stats:
Jazz:
Markkanen: (-2)
35 points, 15/27 FGs, 2/8 threes, 3/4 FTs
6 rebounds (2 off.), 1 assist, 1 turnover
George: (-5)
22 points, 7/18 FGs, 4/9 threes, 4/5 FTs
1 rebound (1 off.), 9 assists, 7 turnovers, 1 steal
Sensabaugh: (+1)
12 points, 5/8 FGs, 2/4 threes
2 rebounds, 2 assists, 4 turnovers, 2 steals
Mykhailiuk: (-6)
10 points, 4/6 FGs, 2/4 threes
3 rebounds (2 off.), 2 assists
Warriors:
Curry: (+5)
31 points, 8/18 FGs, 6/12 threes, 9/9 FTs
2 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 turnovers, 1 steal
Post: (+14)
15 points, 6/9 FGs, 3/6 threes
5 rebounds (1 off.), 2 assists, 2 turnovers
Melton: (-3)
13 points, 5/11 FGs, 3/7 threes
7 rebounds (2 off.), 2 assists, 1 turnover, 2 steals
Payton II: (+0)
10 points, 5/9 FGs, 0/1 three
9 rebounds (4 off.), 2 assists, 3 turnovers, 1 steal, 1 block
Butler: (+9)
15 points, 4/9 FGs, 1/2 threes, 6/8 FTs
3 rebounds (1 off.), 7 assists, 2 turnovers, 3 steals
Jackson-Davis: (+10)
9 points, 4/5 FGs, 1/4 FTs
6 rebounds (4 off.)
Final stats:
Jazz:
52.3% shooting (45/86 FGs), 13/35 threes, 11/17 FTs
37 rebounds (10 off.), 32 assists, 15 turnovers, 7 steals, 3 blocks
Warriors:
49.4% shooting (43/874 FGs), 19/45 threes, 18/24 FTs
45 rebounds (13 off.), 32 assists, 15 turnovers, 9 steals, 2 blocks
Points in paint:
Jazz: 62
Warriors: 46
Fastbreak points:
Jazz: 19
Warriors: 10
Points off turnovers:
Jazz: 22
Warriors: 10
Bench points:
Jazz: 30
Warriors: 46
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I love GP2 so much. He brings the best vibes (and his steals and cuts aren't bad either)! Also ups to Trayce for his rebounding and finishing at the rim.