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Worst record for the wolves-it is!

That 5th overall pick for us is calling! Good lordie that would be just kicking them when they're down...but hey, they pulled out all of the stops to get KAT's BFF on the team

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4th!

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What makes you think that? From what I read, he has this problem of knee locking up every now and then since college. I do remember it happening either last year or year before that

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That would put us in line for a lottery pick as well. Ugh.

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Really quite something how infrequently Steph shoots from the corners.

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I checked bbref and he’s shooting a career low 6% of shots from the corners (career average 14%).

Corner threes are mostly catch and shoot due to reduced space for moves, so I’m going to say the current Warriors offense is failing to set him up with his usual diet of corner threes for some reason.

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I think that's basically it. A few more pieces:

- Steph is involved in more of the action recently, which means he's at the elbows or the top of the key rather than off in a corner.

- His corner 3's in the past have been mostly relocation 3's. Defenses are a little better at noticing these where our team is not quite as good at seeing them coming. So instead of Steph's Teammate™ stepping up out of the corner to screen, there tends to be a delayed reaction, which I think results in a little adjustment where Steph curls around the screen to shoot from the sideline instead.

- If Bazemore gets it on the kickout (left corner) or Oubre does (right corner) you best believe that man is gonna hoist up the shot immediately

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Steph needs to quit shooting from the back court and the left corner. Everything else looks like a good shot

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Left corner is claimed by Bazmore and his 70 3P%.

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Left corner is just small sample size. Back court is last second heaves and is meaningless except for stats he clearly doesn’t care about. (Unlike almost everyone else who takes that extra dribble to shoot just late lol)

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Yeah, I was just being me.

Also, remember that video earlier this season where he hit 105 in a row? That was from the right corner. He probably should just make 105 in a row from the left corner, then he'll work himself out of whatever mental block he's got.

2nd also, I have to admit that I don't care for him missing all his heaves so far this year. Maybe 105 heaves in a row would get him out of that mental block, too.

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Don’t get me started about heaves! Makes me want to start heaving, lol.

If not for the stupid tradition of counting heaves as “shot attempts” Curry would currently be shooting .444 from three, instead of fake-news .436 they credit him with.

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Career:

.441 actual

.435 fake news with heaves counted as attempts

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San Antonio & Charlotte latest teams to be affected by Covid-19, protocols, etc. Warriors scheduled to play Charlotte next Wednesday.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30911667/next-three-san-antonio-spurs-games-postponed-four-players-test-positive-covid-19

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Starting to get deeper into the season, and we can see some divisions starting to separate themselves: https://www.espn.com/nba/standings/_/group/division.

Toughest divisions are the Atlantic and Pacific. The Atlantic has all five teams with a positive point differential on the season, the team currently in last (Toronto) is 12 and 15. But there isn't a lot of separation with the best team (Philly) at only 18 and 10.

The Pacific, meanwhile, has the Lakers and Clippers with (easily) the 2nd and 3rd best record in the league and third-place Phoenix is 17 and 9, easily the best record for a 3rd place team (Denver next at 15 and 11). The Kings bring up the rear as the only team with a negative point differential, but have managed to eke out a 12 and 15 record, good for 19th in the league.

Weakest divisions, meanwhile, are the Southeast and Southwest. The Southeast has all five teams with a negative point differential (Hawks are barely below zero) and the best team (Hornets) are two games below 0.500. The Southwest, meanwhile, has only one team with a (barely) positive point differential in Memphis, and the Spurs are the only team with a winning record.

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Thanks for the update. I really never pay attention to the divisions; just conference.

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I really hope they start doing more baseball series things to reduce travel and so we can potentially have the same number of games versus east/west. Having the "real finals" be the WCF again (or something similar) can't be good for the league.

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I like the baseball series thing moving forward, but I'm not sure how that gets same number of games east/west?

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I assume the whole reason why we play everyone in the West 3-4 times a year vs 2 times (at most) against the East is to reduce travel. If we reduce travel via the baseball series format, then we wouldn't have to have as much of an imbalance.

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Then again, just doing the math... that's 2-3 vs every team which likely means one side gets homecourt for the entire season series... <shrug>

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(And once we have the same number of games vs. east/west then you can have playoff seeding based on records... instead of this arbitrary East/West bracket)

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Here's another fun Curry stat for a boring Tuesday; he's second in screen assists for a guard: https://www.nba.com/stats/players/hustle/?sort=SCREEN_ASSISTS&dir=1&Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Totals&PlayerPosition=G. And that first "guard" is Ben Simmons.

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Surprising, because they don’t even seem to count screen assists that get someone off-ball wide open for a layup or shot

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Yeah with a lot of these "advanced" tracking stats it's often murky what their criteria are.

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I think Jordan Poole has been pouring in points every time he’s in the G-League

https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/players/p/poolejo01d.html

My worry is that he hasn’t translated that to the NBA. Maybe the numbers rely on him attacking disorganized defenses.

He might be the NBA equivalent of a AAAA baseball player (too good for AAA minors, can’t stick in the majors)

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He’s been pretty great in the NBA this season (20.9 pts per 36 on .598 true shooting, 4.5 reb, 3.3 ast, 2.0 tov), after finishing his rookie season really strong, and then wowing everyone in camp with his improved body and game.

He’s 21 and has aced every test he’s been given since coming into the league as a 20 y.o. pup (basically, work like crazy and improve his game constantly).

“AAAA player” is typically something you say about guys who are 30, not 21. Poole may be nowhere near his ceiling, and is already more than holding his own against NBA players.

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It be instructive to see these numbers in non-garbage minutes. Unfortunately nba.com/stats doesn't have that distinction

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Well, every test except that whole defense thing. I'd have a lot more faith if he was a plus defender.

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He apparently impressed people in camp with his strides forward in that area, too. We haven't seen enough of him in the big show this year to say for sure. I think he's got the physical tools (length, strength, quickness) to be a plus defender, especially if he's mostly playing the 1.

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I’m reserving judgment on him, but I wouldn’t say he’s aced every test. He’s working hard and is playing more under control. But he’s not impressing the coaching staff to pass Wanamaker in the rotation

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Yeah, "aced every test" was overstating it. I just mean after a really rocky start he's done everything you could ask of him. His work ethic and *trajectory* has been great, which is what you want to see in players as young as he is. When Draymond was his age, he was still in college. I just think it's way too soon to start pondering if he's a "AAAA player."

As far as "passing Wanamaker in the rotation" — again, give it time. Benching the 31 year-old free agent who was signed to a guaranteed contract to be the backup PG is a fairly consequential move, one they might want to give a bit more than 28 games before executing. The Ws tend to be more patient about stuff like that than we are. In the meantime, it seems prudent (to me) to get Poole as much ~30 mpg run as possible to showcase and hone his burgeoning skills, rather than risk his accruing rust and/or losing confidence on the bench.

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I don't know if it's too early to ponder the AAAA label. Agree that it's too early to call it. It feels like Poole's been lights out in garbage minutes and, mostly, a train wreck in competitive minutes this season. Don't have the numbers to back that up, but that's been my observation. Like my way too early calls on Wiseman, I hope I'm wrong about Poole. I've been wrong plenty before, and right sometimes too. We'll see.

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I posted the numbers: 21 pts per 36 on .600 true shooting, with a better than 1.5-1 ast/tov ratio. Hardly a “train wreck.” He crushed it the last month of his rookie season, too.

Again, the exact trajectory you want to see from an NBA player.

Crushing the g-league at age 21 is not nothing, either.

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I feel like poole could be a backup scoring pg he ran the team well at the end of last year, he runs the pick n roll pretty well

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Still needs to protect that ball!

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That and he feels more natural as a SG. Feels like his game could be like a Terrance Ross type player but hopefully more efficient... come in and get buckets.

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But he’s much more useful if he can run the point. At backup SG, he’s behind Lee, Mulder and Bazemore. At backup PG, he’s behind Wanamaker (and maybe Mannion too now, if SCW time is an indication.

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Poole is definitely a classic combo-guard, his shot creation is more than Mulder and Damion, and I think he's got more potential as a drive and kick guy compared to Bazemore because Poole has shown more wiliness and change of pace going to the rim. Maybe not full blown point because Poole's 1st option will be looking for his own shot.

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Yea I like your description.

If we had a spectrum from PG to SG, I'd say Poole is like 66% on the SG side. Assuming he takes over for Wanamaker, who plays alongside Poole? If he's the sole guy on PG duty I don't think it works. So you could put him alongside Steph or Dray, but at that point, we'd rather have Baze or Mulder in.

If one takes his regular season numbers this year at face-value, ignoring the knee-deep garbage time factor, we see that his numbers this year look better. But is it a coincidence that he's also never been on the court without one of Steph, Wanamaker or Nico?

I'm not even sure if we plan to have him be a PG anymore given that we have Nico and Lin running point down in Santa Cruz.

https://www.nba.com/stats/lineups/traditional/?Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612744&sort=PLUS_MINUS&dir=1&PerMode=Totals&CF=GROUP_NAME*R*Poole

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I guess the operative question is, *should* he be behind Wannamaker at this point?

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Having watched the entire game, I will say it was a game that made me appreciate NBA officiating by contrast. One of those turnovers was him catching a ball that had just bounced out off the other team's shot, which no one else was within 15 feet of, and handing it to the ref, and the ref saying he touched the ball before it went out while everyone jumped up and down and pointed at the baseline. Another turnover was him getting into the post, stopping, and then getting slammed into by the defender and falling off his pivot foot for a "travel." Both such awful calls that it made me appreciate NBA officiating.

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I'll take "duplicated posts for $300", Alex ;)

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(Thanks for the impressions!)

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I haven't gone through each turnover carefully, but the eye test says he's actually been playing under control lately. I think he got the ball stripped once last game, and I don't think he threw any passes away.

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2020–21 Curry to date: 30.1 ppg on .669 ts

Unanimous MVP Curry: 30.1 ppg on .669 ts

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My rule for MVP (and since there is no official rule, it is as valid as anybody else's) is to ask the question "If I was going to build a team based entirely on *this year's* performance, who is the first player I would pick?" It's perfectly valid to factor in that the best player on a bad team is going to have more opportunities to pad stats, as will a ball hog. A closely parallel question is "If my team was in the 7th game of the finals down 2, what player would I want to take the shot?" That doesn't factor in defense, but most MVP voters don't.

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So you're saying... Iguodala for MVP?

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"Nothing to see here." - all of sports media

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If he has another 10 games like he just had, Curry talk we’ll get much louder, especially if he passes Beal for scoring lead.

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Curry is more likely to continue this output than Beal

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Yes, the gap is closing. IIRC, just a couple weeks ago, Curry was at 28.something and Beal was at 34.something.

Does anyone know where to find stats leaders on a given date?

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"So he hasn't improved in five years? Slacker!"

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They'd better not look - they might see something.

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Not all. Just most :p

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If Steph can somehow maintain his last 10 game average # of 3pts over the rest of the season (a tall order, I know...but Steph does, historically, get *better* as the season goes on), he could break his own 3pt record even in a shortened season! 6.2 a game seems high, but the way Steph's been playing as the focus of our offense, it certainly doesn't seem impossible. At 6.2 a game (if I math'd right) he'd be at 412 by the end of 72.

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That would be such a laugh out loud outrageous accomplishment to hit 400 in 70 games

He gets anywhere near 400, that might give him enough buzz to put him in MVP conversation.

Ps. Steph needs 7.7 3P/G to pass Ray Allen this season

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and...if he somehow averaged 7.7 a game for the remaining regular season games, he could pass Ray Allen *this* season. Of course, if GSW extends his career three opportunities in 2021 by making and moving on in the playoffs...Crazy, yes. But impossible?

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Oops just saw this, I see you’re way ahead of me on the near-impossible-but-damn-funny Steph accomplishments

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:). In an 82 game season (or 72 plus 10 post season games), he'd "just" need to average that same 6.2 per game to pass Allen. :)

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I'm pretty sure they keep regular season and playoff totals separate (ie. Ray Allen's record is for the regular season).

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They do. And Steph already has the most in postseason history. Surprisingly, Lebron is second. But that dude has an insane number of playoff games.

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One absolute bit of respect for LeBron's accomplishments: dude's played an absolutely insane number of high-level basketball games.

We talk about how tough it is on the Dubs' bodies to have gone to the finals 5 straight years but James was there 8 straight years (2011–2018) and again in 2020.

People give him shit for coasting and load management during the regular season but honestly he deserves a break after all that.

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That's what I was thinking too

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Good question. I thought it was a career total stat, therefore including both regular and playoff 3 pts.

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Warriors match their win total from last year (15 in 65 games) in their 28th game. Pretty dramatic improvement. Looks like this Curry guy has had something to do with it.

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Admittedly Curry’s been pretty good, but he’s new. The league will figure him out.

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And he's way too small to be durable.

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Not a real Point Guard either.

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He's pretty good, reminds me of a lesser Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf, who played back when players had swords and fought to the death.

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For the uninitiated, the above are all criticisms of Curry from the sitting-on-their-thumbs-rotating 'learned class' that we all had to endure. Inexplicable to this day.

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Another high scoring game in the G League. This time Baby Dubs lost. Pretty sure their rim protection is really bad. They're doing great defending the perimeter but giving up an almost league worst volume and % on shots at the rim so far.

The point of interest is Jordan Poole had 32 pts yesterday, the second highest output by any player in the G League season so far. One interesting thing watching Jordan's play is that he's looked very happy to just be a cog facilitating the offense, often spacing in the corner and when he does get to be part of a play, often giving the ball up to a slightly more open teammate immediately after catching it. It kinda looks like playing with/practicing with the Warriors has been rubbing off on his game.

In this game the Baby Dubs got sloppy early in the 4th in a close game and got down by almost 20, and they went to Jordan to see if he could make something happen. And he had a pretty incredible sequence to almost steal the game in the 4Q:

The sequence of possessions starting at 7:10 in the 4th:

1) Poole beats his man to the basket and bumps into him before putting up a floater close to the basket that hangs on the rim then rolls off. Makes the FT (which is worth 2 pts, it's a G League thing). Almost had an and-1.

2) Gives the ball up quickly for a teammate open-ish 3 (missed).

3) Leaves his guy in the dust on the perimeter and makes the layup, gets clipped by the weak side help for the and-1. Made ft.

4) Defense isn't pushing up, center screens and Poole takes a deep 29 ft three from dead center, swish!

5) Nico passes to Poole as he makes a cut at the top of the key, Poole throws the ball ahead through two defenders and bursts through (splits the defense) then sidesteps back out to the 3 pt line throwing his defender off his trail. Takes the 3 very quickly off the stepback. And makes it? Wow. His defender stumbles into him after the shot, refs call a foul. Four point play, makes the FT.

Pool with 12 straight pts for Santa Cruz, in about two and half minutes.

6) Poole gets a strip on the next Raptors possession, gets called a foul because he was holding the guy's arm, which was outstretched to push him away, on the entry pass. A fair but borderline call.

7) Poole talks back to the ref on that call (he would have had a breakaway steal if it hadn't been called) and IMMEDIATELY gets called for another foul (like 3 seconds of play later) for bumping into a guy who was about to cut without the ball. Seems like G League refs really don't like disrespect and look out for each other.

8) On the following inbounds Nico with an incredible tip-of-the-fingers-deflection on defense followed by a throw-it-off-the-other-guy's-ankles-out-of-bounds-while-still-falling move.

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Weird that they cut out the deep (I think about 29ft) three he took in the fourth as part of that sequence. But some of those clips do show how much he's running as part of the offense, and also how easily he seems to be getting to the rim when they go to him.

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Looking at the box score, it looks like the Seadubs are playing super small with Lin as the SG and Poole as SF, and Sutton, at 6'5" as PF. That would probably explain a lot of the defensive struggles.

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What's weird is that their bench, aside from one really tall traditional center, is even smaller. So when the starters are off it gets even worse.

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They definitely look tiny in the couple games I've watched

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Latest on Steph's stats:

30.1 PPG, 49.9% FG, 43.6% 3P, 58.2% 2P, eFG 62.3%, 93.3% FT, 66.9% TS

30.1 PPG is tied for highest in his career (15-16)

2P is 2nd highest in career (ignoring last year), behind 17-18

eFG is 2nd highest of career, behind 15-16

FT is 2nd highest in career behind 10-11

TS is tied 2nd in career with 15-16, behind 17-18

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That PPG keeps going up and will probably continue to do so. He’s averaging almost 35 over his last 10.

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The team looks more like a team each week. They’ll probably know how to deal with switching schemes by the start of part 2.

Looking ahead to next year there seems to be a roster imbalance.

1) Steph, Nico?

2) Klay, Poole?

3) Wiggins, Oubre(Bird rights)

4? JTA (but the Warriors already cut him once this year so no early Bird rights?)

5) Green, Wiseman, Looney, Chriss (Early Bird), Smiley

Up to 3? draft picks leaves 1-2 spots open for Mulder, JTA or others? What are the rights to JTA next year if he gets this year’s spot? Mulder? The Warriors can’t offer Baze and Wannamaker much of a raise.

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Seems like a lot depends on where the draft picks fall, We could potentially have our pick and MIN's pick, and I don't know if we have any 2nd rounders.

But, if they can re-sign Oubre, the roster is already pretty busy.

Curry-Poole-Nico

Klay-Jessup-DLee

Wiggins-Oubre

Draymond-Pashchall-JTA

Wiseman-Looney-Chriss

Then you have Mulder and Smailagic signed into next year already. Smailagic should probably be waived and re-signed to a two-way, which I expect will happen when JTA's days are up.

Things would get very interesting for the fringe guys if the Warriors do end up with the #4-5 pick from MIN. I definitely see the Warriors salary dumping Poole in this scenario.

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We lose our 2nd rounds if we keep our 1st courtesy of the Oubre deal

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Realistically, I think Oubre moves on to a team that will pay him. So prolly Bazemore will be the vet wing they try to bring back.

I also wouldn't be surprised if the Warriors shop Oubre around at the deadline.

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Shopping would be the smartest move. I agree that Lacob isn’t going to pony up given how punitive the tax will start getting, especially when the revenue offset goes away

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I expect Green will primarily be a 4 once Wiseman, Looney, and Chriss are available except for specific small ball situations. Don't forget Paschall at the 4 as well. I think Smiley will be on a 2-way or a gone doggie next season. And D Lee is in the mix.

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DLee says hi

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So does Paschall

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I hope they make the biggest effort in upgrading Wanamaker so someone besides steph and dray can facilitate. Other than they're pretty good if oubre stays, he can play the 2/3, draymond is a 4/5. Would also love to see smiley's spot replaced by a vet who can score off the bench and play decent defense but that might be asking a lot...

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Whoa. Dray went off on league's duplicity. Dude is something.

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I actually think it’s usually in the best interest of the player on the trade block to sit out as well... like Drummond wants to play with the Cavs knowing he’s about to get traded? I’m all for getting his buy in, and maybe that organization doesn’t talk to them with respect, but I don’t see Drummond or anyone else wanting to play for a team they soon won’t be a part of...

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I mean in a good way.

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Plus the NBA Players Union actually has a lot of power. Most US employees don't have access to a union, let alone a good one, unless they're government employees. Often not even then.

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True although pro sports is unusual in that so much happens in public, with millions of people talking about it.

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Whoa Dray, testify brother!

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Post game interview, Dray spoke truth to power about the way players get disrespected by being sat out because the team intends to trade them, but woe unto a player who talks about being traded. And other related stuff, basically that teams can say what they want about players and trades and players have to shut up and take it or else they're a "cancer in the locker room," get fined, etc.

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I think the last straw for him was Drummond being sat out pending a trade, not allowed to compete.

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Yeah but f*** Hoop Central saying Dray has no filter. He has the courage to say what other players probably want to say, knowing his team, his coach, and his teammates have his back.

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They need a bit more help, but this game is just another example of how uniquely dominant steph and draymond are as a duo with almost perfectly complimentary and elite skillsets

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That kind of thing seemed to happen repeatedly. On the play you described, you could see Curry smiling, amused at what they did to the defender.

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Actually I think they winged it. Steph pointed 2-3 times which way he wanted Dray to go. Dray finally picked up on it then figured out a pick was the way to go. I'd never seen Steph point like that.

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Those folks should get their fan cards revoked

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Notable stats:

Cavaliers:

Allen: (-26)

13 points 5/12 FGs 3/4 FTs

14 rebounds (5 off.) 1 assist 1 turnover 1 steal 2 blocks

Sexton: (-26)

23 points 9/20 FGs 1/5 three pointers 4/5 FTs

3 rebounds (3 off.) 5 assists 2 turnovers 3 steals

Osman: (-35)

17 points 6/15 FGs 3/9 three pointers 2/2 FTs

10 rebounds 2 assists 2 turnovers 2 steals

Dotson: (-9)

10 points 4/8 FGs 2/6 three pointers

6 rebounds 1 assist 2 turnovers 1 steal

Warriors:

Curry: (+20)

36 points 13/19 FGs 7/11 three pointers 3/3 FTs

2 rebounds 6 assists 1 turnover

Green: (+20)

6 points 3/6 FGs

8 rebounds (1 off.) 16 assists 1 turnover 1 steal 2 blocks

Toscano-Anderson: (+16)

13 points 4/5 FGs 1/2 three pointers 4/4 FTs

5 rebounds (1 off.) 2 assists 2 turnovers 1 steal 1 block

Paschall: (+11)

14 points 6/11 FGs 0/1 three pointer 2/2 FTs

8 rebounds (2 off.) 1 assist 2 turnovers 1 steal 1 block

Wanamaker: (+11)

7 points 2/4 FGs 0/1 three pointer 3/3 FTs

3 rebounds 4 assists 1 turnover

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