>>>Anthony Slater: Warriors ‘shutting down' Jonathan Kuminga sign-and-trade discussions. Their stance is that he will be on the roster to start next season.”
“They’ve been pretty firm in the last few days, saying there’s a reason why it’s called ‘restricted free agency ‘and not ‘unrestricted free agency,’” Slater said. “They kind of hold the leverage on his future. Their preferred path clearly is the offer they put on the table; it’s short-term, it’s tradeable, that’s how they pitched it to Kuminga …”
“Regardless, they say right now they’re shutting down sign-and-trade talks; they found nothing appealing there. And they believe he is going to be on the roster. Their stance is that he will be on the roster to start next season.”<<<
Translation: “we’ve been underwhelmed by the current sign and trade offers and we are trying to maximize value so if y'all (Kings, Suns) want to up your ante and/or anyone else wants to jump into the fray, we are all ears”
Which is the right way to go about it. The Warriors are under no obligation to take a bad deal to make JK happy especially when he can just take their offer and defer his happiness for 6 months. If the market was all that hot for JK somebody would have cleared the cap space to make an offer. He will have 3 months or so to prove to the other teams why they were wrong not to do it.
Apparently, Kuminga has been offered 4 years 90 million by the Kings/Suns but they're unwilling to give up assets needed to make the deal palatable for the Warriors (Keon Lewis or Keegan Murray presumably).
Between the two, given Keon Lewis's overlap with Podz/Moody/Melton, I'd much rather secure Keegan Murray. Of course, that remains highly unlikely.
Don't think the Warriors want to add any money past the 2026-2027 season unless it's a rookie contract. Maybe they'd make an exception for Ellis, I dunno.
If all we wanted to do was clear the books we could stand on the QO and either let someone put in an offer sheet we won't match or let JK walk next summer. I assume the FO wants to actually get something of value instead.
I don't see a deal happening with SAC unless they improve their offer significantly. Devin Carter is a hard pass. Monk is an undersized shooting guard, and we have enough of those, especially if we sign Seth or GP2. I also have no interest in a lottery-protected 1st, especially from SAC, which is likely to wind up in the lottery. So I'd pass on that Monk deal.
The Warriors aren't going to be the oldest team in the league next season. So there's that. Clippers might be sporting the oldest roster in league history.
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>>>The Phoenix Suns have offered a trade package for Jonathan Kuminga featuring Royce O’Neale, Nick Richards, and four second-round picks. Kuminga seemingly prefers Sacramento, where Kings officials have promised him a starting role.<<<
People gotta consider that Kuminga's camp would benefit from leaking that the Warriors are being unreasonable in an effort to put more pressure on them.
Take everything about this situation with a big grain of salt.
I don't see how anything JK's camp has to say about who is being reasonable and who isn't makes the least bit of difference. The various GMs probably know what the score really is, and they surely know agent BS when they hear it. Public opinion means zilch in this situation.
Why would MDJ give a damn whether an agent who isn't in a major agency leaks a story that the Dubs are being unreasonable? If this were a big-time agent like Rich Paul, I could see it, because he has a lot of influence, and other players and agents might take note and avoid that team. But that's not the situation here.
Ishbia: Here! Take… [fishes around in pocket] this… lint! It’s good lint! With these 2 ok players I would’ve dumped anyway. ‘Cause I’m paying Book $75 mil now and I need a new shiny object to put next to him! Whadaya say? It’s *Ishbia lint* - the finest! C’mon, win-win!
>>>The Sacramento Kings have offered the Golden State Warriors a rotation player along with a first-round pick in exchange for Jonathan Kuminga, but the Warriors wanted the pick to be fully unprotected.<<<
"The Warriors wanted the pick to be fully unprotected" should be read the same way as "Kuminga's camp is looking for 30 million", it's just negotiating in public it's not what they truly expect
This actually seems like progress. If JK is on board with the salary and role and if GSW can accept the “rotation player” then in theory it could be haggling over the protections. Of course, I just threw out two massive ifs there…
"While hosting a cash poker game isn't illegal by definition, this operation crossed into a criminal act as organizers would "collect a 'rake' — that is, a fee the house would charge from each pot either as a percentage or a fixed amount per hand," according to charging documents"
But also it's making news because.... immigration...bad!
I’m sure it’s a very nice gambling “house.” Arenas seems like he would be a perfectly lovely host. And if people want to hand over a ton of their money just for the thrill of losing a card game, why should anyone stop this? I’m guessing it’s about encroaching on casinos’ territory ..and probably not paying taxes while doing it. Bad boy, Gil…
I haven't really seen anyone talk about it much, but what happens to GS' cap situation if JK just ditches everything and goes to Europe for a year? Is the QO on GS cap or does it disappear?
More specifically: "Qualifying offers expire on Oct. 1, but can be extended [by mutual agreement, as I understand it]. However, the extension of a qualifying offer cannot go past March 1. If the deadline passes and the qualifying offer is neither withdrawn nor accepted, the player continues to be a restricted free agent. Teams and players are free to negotiate a new contract after the qualifying offer expires as the deadline only affects the player’s ability to accept his qualifying offer."
Also note that July 13 was the last day for teams to unilaterally withdraw qualifying offers to restricted free agents. As I interpret that, the Dubs cannot now withdraw JK's QO without his agreement.
If JK ends up signing the 1-yr, 7.9M QO with the intent to leave after this season (being a reluctant Warrior for this coming season and potential distraction) I wish he did it 3 weeks ago. It may have opened up the full MLE and allowed more options. Still bitter about the Clips getting Bradley Beal for peanuts :(
Sigh! So tiresome this back and forth. Sean Marion retired 10 years back with 135 million in salaries. Really wish JK would do the Marion/Aaron Gordon things and focus more on the team aspects of ball than the one-one aspects. He can easily make 200 million if he were to do so. If his gripe were about minutes/role he really only has himself to blame. All said and done I think ends back on the Dubs with him him guaranteed 2 years low 40s but waiving the NTC.
Dubs have been waiting 4 years for him to figure that out. He’s a star, apparently, and everyone has to fall in line - JK can’t understand why no one gets this lol.
Let's just say I hope Draymond is using what he's learned in therapy when camp starts. But historically Draymond doesn't play nice with teammates who would prefer to be playing elsewhere.
Nah, Draymond knows he can't do that again. If JK doesn't play hard, Draymond might have something to say, but that's as far as he'll go. Plus I can't see JK mouthing off to Draymond the way Poole did; it doesn't seem like his style.
He just announced that he's "not expected to" play for Congo in their upcoming games, pushing out any deadline further... this won't end soon, unless that's just some negotiation tactic. It does leave room for things to change...
If JK says screw it I accept the qualifying offer for one year and I then have control of my free agency, I wonder what the cost would be for a big Lloyds of London policy to guarantee a decent sum of money if he had a catastrophic injury?
I don't know but it wouldn't be cheap as the potential payout would be so high. JK and his agent are foolish if they go that route. It is all risk and there may be to reward at all. Based on his results so far, JK is a solid league average player. Guys like that get offers around JK's QO. You can only parley potential into a bigger payday for so long.
What is so difficult about JK is that there are a lot of respected people who say that in a different system he has the potential to be a very good player. He is not the only one tooting his horn and he is still very young.
If I were him I wouldn’t want to play for the Warriors either. It is just a very unfortunate situation. Wrong place and bad timing.
I believe the Warriors are as much to blame or probably more to blame than he is. They drafted him knowing his skill set. They decided to keep him the last 4 years. They acquired JB which was a good move but they knew it would make the JK situation worse. Square peg round hole as the system stands.
If you recall, JK was very raw but was expected to be drafted in the top 5 or 6, based on athleticism and potential. The Dubs apparently didn't expect to have a shot at him. When he slipped out of the top 6, they grabbed him based on his potential ceiling. At that point, I don't think anyone, including JK, knew what he would or could become. It was not based on his skill set because he didn't have many skills.
>>>Anthony Slater: Warriors ‘shutting down' Jonathan Kuminga sign-and-trade discussions. Their stance is that he will be on the roster to start next season.”
“They’ve been pretty firm in the last few days, saying there’s a reason why it’s called ‘restricted free agency ‘and not ‘unrestricted free agency,’” Slater said. “They kind of hold the leverage on his future. Their preferred path clearly is the offer they put on the table; it’s short-term, it’s tradeable, that’s how they pitched it to Kuminga …”
“Regardless, they say right now they’re shutting down sign-and-trade talks; they found nothing appealing there. And they believe he is going to be on the roster. Their stance is that he will be on the roster to start next season.”<<<
https://old.reddit.com/r/warriors/comments/1mdn1my/anthony_slater_warriors_shutting_down_jonathan/
Translation: “we’ve been underwhelmed by the current sign and trade offers and we are trying to maximize value so if y'all (Kings, Suns) want to up your ante and/or anyone else wants to jump into the fray, we are all ears”
Kings FO needs to live up to their reputation and just give us the unprotected 1st.
IDon'tBelieveYou.gif [either side, at this point]
I still think it'll be resolved (and not with the QO or a 1-year deal) by next Friday.
I'm probably wrong, though
GSW’s strongest statement yet… but I’ll believe it’s over when JK has finally signed something…
Which is the right way to go about it. The Warriors are under no obligation to take a bad deal to make JK happy especially when he can just take their offer and defer his happiness for 6 months. If the market was all that hot for JK somebody would have cleared the cap space to make an offer. He will have 3 months or so to prove to the other teams why they were wrong not to do it.
Apparently, Kuminga has been offered 4 years 90 million by the Kings/Suns but they're unwilling to give up assets needed to make the deal palatable for the Warriors (Keon Lewis or Keegan Murray presumably).
Between the two, given Keon Lewis's overlap with Podz/Moody/Melton, I'd much rather secure Keegan Murray. Of course, that remains highly unlikely.
I think we'd probably accept a Monk + lottery protected 1st
Don't think the Warriors want to add any money past the 2026-2027 season unless it's a rookie contract. Maybe they'd make an exception for Ellis, I dunno.
Monk at his currently salary is tradeable IMO if we want to clear the books at that point
If all we wanted to do was clear the books we could stand on the QO and either let someone put in an offer sheet we won't match or let JK walk next summer. I assume the FO wants to actually get something of value instead.
I don't see a deal happening with SAC unless they improve their offer significantly. Devin Carter is a hard pass. Monk is an undersized shooting guard, and we have enough of those, especially if we sign Seth or GP2. I also have no interest in a lottery-protected 1st, especially from SAC, which is likely to wind up in the lottery. So I'd pass on that Monk deal.
Or maybe top 8-10 protected. Feels like it's currently a top 20 protected
top-3? :)
The Warriors aren't going to be the oldest team in the league next season. So there's that. Clippers might be sporting the oldest roster in league history.
Anna Horford ratioing Deni Avjida on X. Makes me want big Al even more.
I read that as big A I. Haha.
This will make a few of you sad
[[ Just In: The Sacramento Kings and Daeqwon Plowden have agreed to a two-way deal, agent Drew Kelso of One Motive Sports told @hoopshypeofficial.bsky.social. Plowden averaged 7.2 points on 64% shooting from the field and 53% from 3-point range in six games for the Hawks as a two-way player last season ]]
Good for him
I just hope they keep him a while. He keeps getting moved around. Hope he gets the stability to develop that promising talent. Good luck, kid!
Or maybe he's the "rotation player" that's being referenced below?!??!!
Ah yes, a rotation player: He's rotating between the G League and the back end of an NBA roster.
>>>The Phoenix Suns have offered a trade package for Jonathan Kuminga featuring Royce O’Neale, Nick Richards, and four second-round picks. Kuminga seemingly prefers Sacramento, where Kings officials have promised him a starting role.<<<
https://old.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1mdfwoz/spears_the_phoenix_suns_have_offered_a_trade/
I would take this deal.
People gotta consider that Kuminga's camp would benefit from leaking that the Warriors are being unreasonable in an effort to put more pressure on them.
Take everything about this situation with a big grain of salt.
Also though, Nick Richards sucks.
I don't see how anything JK's camp has to say about who is being reasonable and who isn't makes the least bit of difference. The various GMs probably know what the score really is, and they surely know agent BS when they hear it. Public opinion means zilch in this situation.
If teams and agents didn't think this stuff mattered, they wouldn't do it
Why would MDJ give a damn whether an agent who isn't in a major agency leaks a story that the Dubs are being unreasonable? If this were a big-time agent like Rich Paul, I could see it, because he has a lot of influence, and other players and agents might take note and avoid that team. But that's not the situation here.
Quite literally, the only thing he's good at is rebounding. I'm just not at all interested.
If they find a 3rd team to turn those 4 2nd rounders into a lightly protected 1st, then maybe. I’m not just taking 4 2nds though.
With MJD’s late-draft wizardry, four 2nd rounders would pretty much ensure a dynasty.
Ishbia: Here! Take… [fishes around in pocket] this… lint! It’s good lint! With these 2 ok players I would’ve dumped anyway. ‘Cause I’m paying Book $75 mil now and I need a new shiny object to put next to him! Whadaya say? It’s *Ishbia lint* - the finest! C’mon, win-win!
>>>The Sacramento Kings have offered the Golden State Warriors a rotation player along with a first-round pick in exchange for Jonathan Kuminga, but the Warriors wanted the pick to be fully unprotected.<<<
https://old.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1mdfl9x/charania_the_sacramento_kings_have_offered_the/
If it’s Keon Ellis, take that deal Mike!
"The Warriors wanted the pick to be fully unprotected" should be read the same way as "Kuminga's camp is looking for 30 million", it's just negotiating in public it's not what they truly expect
Yep. It’s just a matter of top-3, top-6, etc
I wonder who the ‘rotation player’ is. Guess it could still be a Carter/Saric situation or maybe someone like Monk?
I'm sure it's Carter and something like a top 25 protected 1st round pick that reverts to 2 second round picks if not conveyed.
Devin Carter & 2 seconds, makes sense that GS doesn’t want it
This actually seems like progress. If JK is on board with the salary and role and if GSW can accept the “rotation player” then in theory it could be haggling over the protections. Of course, I just threw out two massive ifs there…
TBH I would love to see JK and Jalen Green on the Suns JUST to watch Devin Booker actively rip his hair out when he has to share the floor with them
OT: Oops: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/gilbert-arenas-accused-hosting-illegal-poker-games-rcna222035
What’s an illegal poker game? Why does this get any attention at this time? - *from the law or the media, not you, Abaddon!
"While hosting a cash poker game isn't illegal by definition, this operation crossed into a criminal act as organizers would "collect a 'rake' — that is, a fee the house would charge from each pot either as a percentage or a fixed amount per hand," according to charging documents"
But also it's making news because.... immigration...bad!
I’m sure it’s a very nice gambling “house.” Arenas seems like he would be a perfectly lovely host. And if people want to hand over a ton of their money just for the thrill of losing a card game, why should anyone stop this? I’m guessing it’s about encroaching on casinos’ territory ..and probably not paying taxes while doing it. Bad boy, Gil…
Not just that, casinos are licensed and strictly regulated, and rightly so. If he's operating like a casino, he has to follow the same laws.
It's 100% about the taxes. You're charging rake? That's income, gimmie gimmie!
He provides his own armed security.
OT: Here's a trailer for Sony Pictures Animation's "Goat," produced by Stephen Curry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r-7eWDBc40
Apparently, Curry does the voice of a giraffe player in the movie.
I haven't really seen anyone talk about it much, but what happens to GS' cap situation if JK just ditches everything and goes to Europe for a year? Is the QO on GS cap or does it disappear?
EA explained before that the QO ($7.9M *until 10/1, TBD after) stays on the books.
The QO stays on the books until Oct 1, when it expires.
More specifically: "Qualifying offers expire on Oct. 1, but can be extended [by mutual agreement, as I understand it]. However, the extension of a qualifying offer cannot go past March 1. If the deadline passes and the qualifying offer is neither withdrawn nor accepted, the player continues to be a restricted free agent. Teams and players are free to negotiate a new contract after the qualifying offer expires as the deadline only affects the player’s ability to accept his qualifying offer."
https://www.nba.com/news/free-agency-explained
Also note that July 13 was the last day for teams to unilaterally withdraw qualifying offers to restricted free agents. As I interpret that, the Dubs cannot now withdraw JK's QO without his agreement.
Oy, details! I thought the typical move is to give a new QO at that point to maintain the rights to the RFA, which sits on the books.
So, I guess, I need to correct the $7.9M hold number to TBD >Oct. 1?
what I do is just refer to Perks’s spreadsheet!
If JK ends up signing the 1-yr, 7.9M QO with the intent to leave after this season (being a reluctant Warrior for this coming season and potential distraction) I wish he did it 3 weeks ago. It may have opened up the full MLE and allowed more options. Still bitter about the Clips getting Bradley Beal for peanuts :(
JK sends a message on Instagram:
https://tinyurl.com/EW164
LOL. Is he betting on himself to pass, rebound, and play team defense? Because if he isn't, he isn't gonna wow anyone on a QO with the Dubs.
Wouldn’t taking the QO be the ultimate bet on himself?
Yep, that’s the implication. This is definitely an attempt to put pressure on the Warriors, but it may also be indicative of his genuine stance.
If betting on yourself means refusing to play team ball, then what kind of return do you plan to see on that bet lol?
He’s going to have to live up to those words.
Sigh! So tiresome this back and forth. Sean Marion retired 10 years back with 135 million in salaries. Really wish JK would do the Marion/Aaron Gordon things and focus more on the team aspects of ball than the one-one aspects. He can easily make 200 million if he were to do so. If his gripe were about minutes/role he really only has himself to blame. All said and done I think ends back on the Dubs with him him guaranteed 2 years low 40s but waiving the NTC.
Dubs have been waiting 4 years for him to figure that out. He’s a star, apparently, and everyone has to fall in line - JK can’t understand why no one gets this lol.
JK is in no hurry to do the Warriors any favors and I don’t blame him for that. With that being said, it is time to end this.
This is probably going to the October 1st deadline if Kuminga is willing to back out of playing for the DRC.
EDIT: Well I shouldn't say probably, I have no idea, but that's my guess.
It's going to end bloody
JK is going to show up to camp and get punched in the face.
I wish I was joking.
What the hell is this
Let's just say I hope Draymond is using what he's learned in therapy when camp starts. But historically Draymond doesn't play nice with teammates who would prefer to be playing elsewhere.
Nah, Draymond knows he can't do that again. If JK doesn't play hard, Draymond might have something to say, but that's as far as he'll go. Plus I can't see JK mouthing off to Draymond the way Poole did; it doesn't seem like his style.
But the player he punched in the face did want to be here.
Draymond slander, lol
He just announced that he's "not expected to" play for Congo in their upcoming games, pushing out any deadline further... this won't end soon, unless that's just some negotiation tactic. It does leave room for things to change...
If JK says screw it I accept the qualifying offer for one year and I then have control of my free agency, I wonder what the cost would be for a big Lloyds of London policy to guarantee a decent sum of money if he had a catastrophic injury?
I don't know but it wouldn't be cheap as the potential payout would be so high. JK and his agent are foolish if they go that route. It is all risk and there may be to reward at all. Based on his results so far, JK is a solid league average player. Guys like that get offers around JK's QO. You can only parley potential into a bigger payday for so long.
What is so difficult about JK is that there are a lot of respected people who say that in a different system he has the potential to be a very good player. He is not the only one tooting his horn and he is still very young.
If I were him I wouldn’t want to play for the Warriors either. It is just a very unfortunate situation. Wrong place and bad timing.
I believe the Warriors are as much to blame or probably more to blame than he is. They drafted him knowing his skill set. They decided to keep him the last 4 years. They acquired JB which was a good move but they knew it would make the JK situation worse. Square peg round hole as the system stands.
If you recall, JK was very raw but was expected to be drafted in the top 5 or 6, based on athleticism and potential. The Dubs apparently didn't expect to have a shot at him. When he slipped out of the top 6, they grabbed him based on his potential ceiling. At that point, I don't think anyone, including JK, knew what he would or could become. It was not based on his skill set because he didn't have many skills.