I've been watching some of the games, they are fast paced and take an hour so not that much of a time commitment.
The Laces have 2 players that will be Valkyries, so I've adopted them as my rooting interest, along with the Lunar Owls who have a cool name, and turned out to be pretty good as well (they are undefeated).
That spacing is not working. We are too small underneath. Dray is old and will get hurt playing the 5 spot. GP2, Moody and the rest are too small you can just back them down underneath and crash the offensive boards.
Steph Appreciation. Steph has one thing on all other all-time greats: he literally changed the name of a franchise. When Lacob & friends took over, they were hell bent on moving the team to San Francisco and renaming the team: the San Francisco Warriors. It was just a matter of time.
Then Steph happened. The "Golden State" Warriors blew up and, over-night, that brand became too valuable to change.
You can argue about LeBron and MJ, Wilt and Kareem, Larry, Magic and Mac McClung until the cows come home.
NOBODY else was so good that they literally changed the name of a franchise, or for those who get hung up on technicalities, kept the name of a franchise from changing.
Warriors, Knicks top CNBC's Official NBA Team Valuations for 2025
“The most valuable NBA team is the Golden State Warriors, worth $9.4 billion. The Warriors generated $781 million in revenue — net of their revenue-sharing payment — during the 2023-24 season, the highest in the NBA. The Warriors own their home arena, San Francisco’s Chase Center, from which they also earn revenue from non-NBA events. The team raked in nearly $200 million in sponsorship revenue last season, nearly double that of any other team, according to a league executive.”
Mentioned in another thread that I really like a playoff top 8 of Steph, Podz, GP2, Jimmy, Moody, Kuminga, Dray and Looney.
We have a pretty good idea of what we can get from our vets at this stage. Thinking about it more what has me pretty excited is that the upside is all in the young guys. They're going to have roles. We'll need them.
Can Kuminga be an efficient offensive threat while playing solid on ball D against some elite scorers?
Can Podz and/or Moody take advantage when the defense sells out to stop Steph and Jimmy? To win any series I think at least one of them has to be a standout who's able to punish the other team with a barrage of clutch baskets in the clutch.
yeah, that's an interesting way to look at it. although over the course of a season, that's like 279 extra free throw attempts, and with the amount of "clutch" games the Warriors play, i wonder how much of an impact this will have on their (potential) playoff seeding.
The buyout market for guards doesn't seem particularly robust. It doesn't seem likely that any of the difference makers will actual become available (Bruce Brown, Malcolm Brogdon) nor the next tier of reliable back-ups (Micic, Tre Jones). Are we inching closer to an NBA contract for Pat Spencer? What he lacks in talent he makes up in knowing the system.
Regardless, Draymond may have himself a new job: back up point guard. Dray tends to play with Curry 70% of the time. If he gets cut back to 50%, that's about 14-15 minutes a game he can shoulder the PG duties in the non-Curry second unit minutes. If Curry is playing 33-34 minutes, that'll work out just fine. BTW, Dray moving from 70% with to 50% with is just 6 minutes a game. And if Curry has JB, a healthy JK and a mix of Podz at the 2, I think he'll survive the extra 6 minutes without Dray.
But, of course, tasking your veteran leader, defensive savant and primary play maker to take the reins of the non-Curry minutes may be too much to ask. (Best to leave that in the hands of a more capable Lacrosse player). It's too bad though. Draymond in this position would help get TJD back on the court and playing meaningful minutes. We already know they work well together, and if Kerr is resigned to not playing the tandem to start games, then Dray eating up non-Curry minutes would open up a lane for TJD to return to the court.
If feels like we could have really used him in the Dallas game, but he was in an ice tray in a zip-lock bag in a doghouse, and you just can't ask the kid to show up for a big game after you monkey-stomped his confidence.
Speaking of monkey-stomping a player's confidence, there is having faith in a player, leaving someone like Buddy out on the floor for 30 minutes and then there is having too much faith. When someone is REALLY off, trusting them, leaving them in the game can backfire. It's like leaving a 9 year old pitcher in a little league game on the mound after he's allowed 14 runs. "Sorry, kid. This will build character." There is a point where a coach's faith can turn into cruelty and it felt like that with Buddy the other night.
Sorry, Steve. Gonna be on the road for a day soon, so I gotta front-load my petulant takes. LOL
Interesting tidbit from a good ESPN article that is mostly about Steph, LeBron and KD:
“Of the 123 players who have averaged at least 10 field goal attempts this season, Curry has the sixth-longest average shot distance of 19.9 feet. Butler averages the eighth shortest at 8.5 feet, according to ESPN Research.”
Well, Boston Dynamics is owned by Hyundai now, and Hyundai also makes tanks (being exported to Poland, among other places), so my money is on the latter.
Plus of course, China is going to vault ahead of us, and I wouldn't have a lot of faith they'll keep that a civil-use only technology (any more than we would).
There are ways to push back against our govt doing these purchasing agreements until companies are disciplined into not using child labor or actively squashing new labor organizing. It starts with knowledge of what companies are getting these purchase agreements and public pressure to only deal with companies that show they're willing to treat adult human workers with dignity.
In the coming tech wars it will be us and our stupid Boston Dynamics dog robots trying to fight the Tesla bots. Thankfully, Elon will have cheapskated out on parts and we'll win in the end (but I doubt the 4 legged mech friends from BD will have anything to do with it).
Oh wow, you’re in for a treat. They’re not all great, but the ones that are (Be Right Back, San Junipero, Nosedive, White Christmas, e.g.) are some of my favorite TV episodes ever. I think about them often. Metalhead (inspired by the Boston Robotics dogs) is a bit *too* dark for my tastes, but still incredibly well done.
Still seems clunky to me. Like when we programmed the early chess computers to value pieces and play the game thinking like humans with our opening lines etc, and then Ai came along and did the whole machine learning thing and played the game in a way we couldn't think of ourselves. Why make robots move like humans? Why not get them to come up with their own way and create something like TARS in Interstellar?
I don't know if there's a practical use. But it does seem like one of those problems where you just go "I wonder if we can do it" and hope you learn a bunch while doing it.
The Warriors intend to sign Kevin Knox into one of their vacant roster spots out of the All-Star break, per sources. Ten-day contract. Knox is averaging 19.1 points, 7.3 rebounds in Santa Cruz. Organization has been high on him back to summer league. An extra big scoring wing.
Excited for him to have one good game early on and for fans to subsequently vault him ahead of Moody in present and future roster discussions, as is tradition.
Also for what it is worth he played 16 games in the "tip off tournament" in the G-League and shot 34% from three. The regular season sample is 12 games. Overall 38.6% across both in 28 games.
"Beginning on January 5 of any NBA Season, a Team may enter into a Player Contract (other than a Two-Way Contract) with a player for the longer of (i) ten (10) days, or (ii) a period encompassing three (3) games played by such Team (a “10-Day Contract”)."
Does this mean he can be with the team through the 25th?
Obviously it doesn't move the needle much by itself (although he's been on fire in Santa Cruz), and I'm probably reading too much into this, but why sign someone who somewhat attempts to replicate JK if JK's coming back before the 25th? (Although Knox can bring energy to the bench, and hopefully try to emulate Gui, which is always good).
I also liked Knox. I was particularly fond of the strange chaos he brought to the summer league team and while that would mess with a good Curry-Green-Butler high IG lineup it could add an element of unpredictability that could totally work in the Ws favor in certain situations ... or, you know, against it :D
If they intend to put him into a roster spot for the rest of the year, is there some savings in doing the 2 ten-days he can sign before he either needs to sign a full contract or leave the team?
Or maybe just preserving some options if a buyout target surfaces?
It actually looks like it's pretty close to what you would get for a vet minimum (in Knox's case, for a 6-year veteran), prorated for (roughly) the number of games you would have in 10 days (say 5-6).
Maybe doing it over the ASB finds a loophole or something where it counts as "10 days of the year" but only costs the 1/2 games that happen during this time? Who knows... good for Kevin! Hope he gets into some games during garbage time!
I suspect there is a teeny bit of savings (in the $10000s range), and they are just pinching every penny, since they are so tight to the first apron.
But, as you say, who knows.
Pretty impressive that we've had five callups from SCW, and at least three of them are solid members of the team now (Gui, Spencer and Post). I don't ever remember calling up five players before.
Random thoughts that are not related to each other at all ...
- I still miss Wiggs
- JB is a pretty good replacement (insert "why not both?" .gif here). Not really the same kind of player, though.
- along with the kicked ball Wednesday and the overturn of the OB ball of Looney where he was being fouled yesterday plus a host of other questionable calls I am finding it hard not to complain about the reffing (I usually manage to remind myself that there will be some bad calls and even notice sometimes when I think a call went in our favor but it's getting more and more difficult to believe myself). Hell, even Fitz is starting to complain about the reffing and he used to love refs (tbf he's complaining about the calls not refs - he'd never to THAT)
-on the radio this morning someone said they were looking forward to seeing what moves the Ws make in the off season to put talent around Steph-Dray-JB, but I think that's delusional. pretty much the only move they can make is re-signing JK. They don't have cap space for even mid FA's and, if things go a little sideways with the JK negotiations they won't even have any kind of midlevel for Melton or someone like him. I think this is it and we are championship or bust with what we got (more or less minus some small moves around the edges).
- Here's the thing about the above: I think it might be enough everything works out pretty well (except Hield - can barely see that ship's sails anymore) Loon, JK, Moody, Podz & GP2 round out a pretty good top 8 Gui might be fighting for top 8 if he keeps it up and Post and TJD are both at least serviceable. Even Spenser has shown the ability to be that 3rd PG that Kerr just needs to be steady. If they can out it together they have shown that they can compete with the top teams. Win a 7 game series? who knows but their record against OKC-Memphis-Boston-Houston is starting to get out of small sample size territory.
- that leads me to the fact that I had a different response to last nights win than most. I was mad. Not at the win but both at the lame 17-1 run in 3 minutes they gave up to make it close doing the same lame things they've done all season and all the other winnable games where they've done the same thing. Really still mad about both Utah and Dalls losses plus a host of other winnable games we've booted over the course of the season. If we won just 3 of those 10 or so lame losses we would be at 31-24 just 1/2 game (1 in the loss column) behind 6th place right now! If they really are gonna have championship aspirations (no matter how small you think they are you can't deny the team has them) then they gotta cut down on the lame ass crap. Supposedly Jimmy was going to help with all that (and maybe he has/will), but this is on the core: Steph and Dray and Steve. You've already wasted so much opportunity and there is really no margin for error left. Be smarter in game and adapt quicker in game to the flow. I don't mind when we lose (ok, I do) but I hate it when we choke away games with stupidity by our proven championship level players and coaches!
It might help if they NEVER ran out a lineup of Podz, Spencer, Looney, Santos, and Hield again. I realize that the team is worn down, but that lineup is pretty bad on both offense and defense.
Right now we’re sitting at $154,503,818 in 2025 (excluding JK’s $10 mil qualifying offer) with a projected 2nd apron at $207,825,000.
If JK’s new contract is closer to $30 mil vs $38 mil (the max according to Slater), we may still have room for the TMLE. At say $185,000k we have about $22,000k to sign four guys (to reach 14) and still be under the 2nd apron. We can outbid vet min offers for Looney and GP2. One other vet min guy, then TLME at maybe around $6,000k.
Would love Melton back but I’m guessing he makes between TMLE and NTMLE.
We can make moves in the offseason, they just involve trades using Moody, Buddy, or sign and trading Kuminga. If they aren’t in love with butler they can use his contract to swing for another max contract level player too. The moves just wont be flashy free agent signings
OK, That's a good point. I guess we'll see what we have when JK gets back but assuming he's pretty damn good like he was just before the injury I am finding it hard to imagine a move that makes us better. maybe we do have too many forwards and something like a Moody + Buddy for someone like DiVincenzo? Balances out the roster?
What moves would make us better?
Oooh Ooooh how about a sign and trade of JK for a true small forward like- wait for it - Andrew Wiggins?
(note: I am assuming that no one values Loon/GP2 like Ws and something gets done at lower salaries to keep them)
Steve going with a G League lineup to close the 3rd and hold a lead was horrible coaching. I get that he maybe wanted to limit the main guys, but not all at once, man. Get 3 minutes out of a normal end of 3rd rotation and go into the 4th up 20, and the Rockets prob start their vacation early…
Nah, it was Lightyears Coaching. Lulled Udoke into thinking HIS G League lineup was the reason they came back and he kept them in the game longer... This is 4D Chess not Checkers :P
I am not normally on the "bad coaching" train but I couldn't believe the poo poo lineup that we ran out there that just absolutely hemorrhaged points. You can't blame that on the OG players because they weren't even in the game!
Sure, Steph and Dray made some mistakes once things got close that would be nice if they didn't, but the vomiting up of the lead was squarely on the coaching staff who got way too cute running that lineup. Clearly they hoped to buy some minutes but they stuck with it way too long.
On the way to commercial break he was talking with Stotts or Stack and pretty clearly said 'it was too soon'. That was exactly how I felt when my oldest backed the car out of the driveway and through the mailbox.
Reminds me of when I jauntily pulled into my parking spot at my apartment at a much higher speed that I normally do, completely missed it, and scraped a post hard enough to require a new door panel, and a repaired quarter panel. 1600 bucks later ...
And, I didn't have the excuse of being a new driver.
Thought the head-tap play that got JB isolated and fouled on the drive was interesting. Once JB got the ball in the corner, the other four Dubs just calmly cleared out beyond the three-point arc and played spectators. Can't recall seeing something this egregious before - didn't look a thing like Kerr-ball. Perhaps it happened in the KD era but I don't remember a play like that. Really demonstrated that the Dubs have a lot of confidence in JB and his ability to close out games.
Buselis and McClung are both in the dunk contest. Has there ever been a dunk contest with two white guys?
I think the closest we've had are:
Brent Barry & Doug Christie
LaVine & Plumlee
Probably only 1.5 white guys though.
League owner wins her league's tournament. Sounds pretty fishy to me!
Congrats to Phee, and all the Lunar Owls, who get a cut of the prize money
I had no idea there was a women’s 3x3 league until this very moment.
I've been watching some of the games, they are fast paced and take an hour so not that much of a time commitment.
The Laces have 2 players that will be Valkyries, so I've adopted them as my rooting interest, along with the Lunar Owls who have a cool name, and turned out to be pretty good as well (they are undefeated).
I watched a little 3x3 in the Olympics and couldn’t get into it.
Team Mullin (with TJD) defeats Team Hardaway (with Podz).
Tim failed to bust a clipboard when his team went down early.
Why are the Dubs burying TJD on the bench?
The question boils down to. Why is Post playing instead of Trayce.
The answer is: spacing.
Spacing is at a premium in this roster. (That also explains why Hield keeps getting a long rope).
Other than Steph and Hield, we don't have anyone opponents have to defend at the 3pt line.
Moody is getting there and hopefully will command more respect soon.
Hence Post with his threat from outside is preferred over TJD
That spacing is not working. We are too small underneath. Dray is old and will get hurt playing the 5 spot. GP2, Moody and the rest are too small you can just back them down underneath and crash the offensive boards.
Cuz he’s not as good as Dray or Loon, and doesn’t bring a unique skill set like Post, and thusly he is buried.
Blocks and lobs? I mean, I agree, but that seems like a unique skill set.
He’s better than the other Warriors centers at those things, but he isn’t all that great at those…
Steph Appreciation. Steph has one thing on all other all-time greats: he literally changed the name of a franchise. When Lacob & friends took over, they were hell bent on moving the team to San Francisco and renaming the team: the San Francisco Warriors. It was just a matter of time.
Then Steph happened. The "Golden State" Warriors blew up and, over-night, that brand became too valuable to change.
You can argue about LeBron and MJ, Wilt and Kareem, Larry, Magic and Mac McClung until the cows come home.
NOBODY else was so good that they literally changed the name of a franchise, or for those who get hung up on technicalities, kept the name of a franchise from changing.
Pretty bad-a in my book.
I think Podz is +6
Dude must be running on fumes
He’s playing hard…if not great
Every morning for breakfast I like to start with “A Healthy Dose of Betrayal”.
Warriors, Knicks top CNBC's Official NBA Team Valuations for 2025
“The most valuable NBA team is the Golden State Warriors, worth $9.4 billion. The Warriors generated $781 million in revenue — net of their revenue-sharing payment — during the 2023-24 season, the highest in the NBA. The Warriors own their home arena, San Francisco’s Chase Center, from which they also earn revenue from non-NBA events. The team raked in nearly $200 million in sponsorship revenue last season, nearly double that of any other team, according to a league executive.”
More at the link: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna192310
It’ll be interesting to see what happens to the revenue streams when Steph retires.
Decent return on Joe's $450M investment. Thanks Steph.
Mentioned in another thread that I really like a playoff top 8 of Steph, Podz, GP2, Jimmy, Moody, Kuminga, Dray and Looney.
We have a pretty good idea of what we can get from our vets at this stage. Thinking about it more what has me pretty excited is that the upside is all in the young guys. They're going to have roles. We'll need them.
Can Kuminga be an efficient offensive threat while playing solid on ball D against some elite scorers?
Can Podz and/or Moody take advantage when the defense sells out to stop Steph and Jimmy? To win any series I think at least one of them has to be a standout who's able to punish the other team with a barrage of clutch baskets in the clutch.
Kuminga... Kuminga... oh yeah, I remember that guy. It has been a long, long time though.
The Postman delivers
a clutch of clutch baskets in the clutch
Free Throw Attempts per game on the Season:
1 Grizzlies 24.3
2 Hawks 24.1
3 Rockets 23.4
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23 Warriors 20.9
A better metric is free throws per field goal attempt.
Per BBRef:
Lakers
76ers
Jazz
Suns
Mavericks
Magic
[…]
Thunder
Warriors
Bulls
Link: https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2025.html
Advanced Stats, sort by FT/FGA
This is made free throws so it does also included effectiveness in making them…
Crazy. I would have assumed the thunder with SGA or Lakers would be at the top
Oklahoma City is 29th!!!
LA is 6th.
It's instructive that we're only 3.4 FTAs per game behind the league leader. So it's really not that much of a difference, imo.
Although that’s like 14 -15% less
yeah, that's an interesting way to look at it. although over the course of a season, that's like 279 extra free throw attempts, and with the amount of "clutch" games the Warriors play, i wonder how much of an impact this will have on their (potential) playoff seeding.
Free Throw Attempts last 4 games:
1 Grizzlies 29.8
2 Knicks 28.0
3 Warriors 27.5
And that's without Kuminga who is 5th in league in FTA rate per drive. Sitting behind the likes of Giannis, SGA, etc.
I am gonna guess that Jimmy Butler has more free throws in the last four games than several teams have in the last four games.
OT: Harden says to pull up at this basketball court in SF at 4:30
https://www.reddit.com/r/LAClippers/comments/1ipogzg/whos_going/
I play basketball there sometimes! He gave out shoes - https://x.com/LaurenMRosen/status/1890577952376500226
Nice deal!
The buyout market for guards doesn't seem particularly robust. It doesn't seem likely that any of the difference makers will actual become available (Bruce Brown, Malcolm Brogdon) nor the next tier of reliable back-ups (Micic, Tre Jones). Are we inching closer to an NBA contract for Pat Spencer? What he lacks in talent he makes up in knowing the system.
Regardless, Draymond may have himself a new job: back up point guard. Dray tends to play with Curry 70% of the time. If he gets cut back to 50%, that's about 14-15 minutes a game he can shoulder the PG duties in the non-Curry second unit minutes. If Curry is playing 33-34 minutes, that'll work out just fine. BTW, Dray moving from 70% with to 50% with is just 6 minutes a game. And if Curry has JB, a healthy JK and a mix of Podz at the 2, I think he'll survive the extra 6 minutes without Dray.
But, of course, tasking your veteran leader, defensive savant and primary play maker to take the reins of the non-Curry minutes may be too much to ask. (Best to leave that in the hands of a more capable Lacrosse player). It's too bad though. Draymond in this position would help get TJD back on the court and playing meaningful minutes. We already know they work well together, and if Kerr is resigned to not playing the tandem to start games, then Dray eating up non-Curry minutes would open up a lane for TJD to return to the court.
If feels like we could have really used him in the Dallas game, but he was in an ice tray in a zip-lock bag in a doghouse, and you just can't ask the kid to show up for a big game after you monkey-stomped his confidence.
Speaking of monkey-stomping a player's confidence, there is having faith in a player, leaving someone like Buddy out on the floor for 30 minutes and then there is having too much faith. When someone is REALLY off, trusting them, leaving them in the game can backfire. It's like leaving a 9 year old pitcher in a little league game on the mound after he's allowed 14 runs. "Sorry, kid. This will build character." There is a point where a coach's faith can turn into cruelty and it felt like that with Buddy the other night.
Sorry, Steve. Gonna be on the road for a day soon, so I gotta front-load my petulant takes. LOL
Jimmy can be PG, too.
Interesting tidbit from a good ESPN article that is mostly about Steph, LeBron and KD:
“Of the 123 players who have averaged at least 10 field goal attempts this season, Curry has the sixth-longest average shot distance of 19.9 feet. Butler averages the eighth shortest at 8.5 feet, according to ESPN Research.”
More at the link: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/43833377/a-rivalry-bromance-failed-reunion-steph-kd-lebron-reunite-all-star-weekend
I'd really like to know who the top 5 are... and what their FT rates are...
Unfortunately this seems to be private ESPN data.
Opposites attract ♥
Warriors using robots during practice - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwp7HbfNsp4
Pretty funny
I'm kind of disappointed there were no references to Dray's "I'm not a robot".
LOL... Dray named his robot "K". I wonder how he came up with that name.
I can't decide whether Boston Dynamics will benefit us or destroy us.
Well, Boston Dynamics is owned by Hyundai now, and Hyundai also makes tanks (being exported to Poland, among other places), so my money is on the latter.
Plus of course, China is going to vault ahead of us, and I wouldn't have a lot of faith they'll keep that a civil-use only technology (any more than we would).
Hyundai rotem is also, like other manufacturing companies that've moved the US industrial base to the south, vehemently anti worker: https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/2024/01/24/uaw-hyundai-suppliers-child-labor-la-metro/72325499007/
There are ways to push back against our govt doing these purchasing agreements until companies are disciplined into not using child labor or actively squashing new labor organizing. It starts with knowledge of what companies are getting these purchase agreements and public pressure to only deal with companies that show they're willing to treat adult human workers with dignity.
Hyundai is a South Korean conglomerate
yes. two separate points.
Peole aren't gonna buy these dogs unless they have a use for them... I would think.
Now AI on the other hand....
In the coming tech wars it will be us and our stupid Boston Dynamics dog robots trying to fight the Tesla bots. Thankfully, Elon will have cheapskated out on parts and we'll win in the end (but I doubt the 4 legged mech friends from BD will have anything to do with it).
I saw that Black Mirror episode. Possibly the darkest and bleakest in the whole series…
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BDP9jA6k_UE&pp=ygUWYmxhY2sgbWlycm9yIG1ldGFsaGVhZA%3D%3D
Black Mirror is awesome. Just started watching it.
Oh wow, you’re in for a treat. They’re not all great, but the ones that are (Be Right Back, San Junipero, Nosedive, White Christmas, e.g.) are some of my favorite TV episodes ever. I think about them often. Metalhead (inspired by the Boston Robotics dogs) is a bit *too* dark for my tastes, but still incredibly well done.
I started with the most recent season, which is apparently not the greatest, and I liked it a lot (minus the silly werewolf episode).
I'd be disappointed if all we had was their dog robots
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tF4DML7FIWk
Still seems clunky to me. Like when we programmed the early chess computers to value pieces and play the game thinking like humans with our opening lines etc, and then Ai came along and did the whole machine learning thing and played the game in a way we couldn't think of ourselves. Why make robots move like humans? Why not get them to come up with their own way and create something like TARS in Interstellar?
> Why make robots move like humans?
I don't know if there's a practical use. But it does seem like one of those problems where you just go "I wonder if we can do it" and hope you learn a bunch while doing it.
Oh dang
Nothing will benefit us while under the control of the capitalist ruling class and...wait, where am I? What happened? Nevermind, wrong place.
Prob still the right place, tho...
Maybe in the right place, but it must have been the wrong time.
Dr. John reference for the win!
That's so wrong!!!! lol
Honestly, all the AI bullshit has taken the fun out of robots for me. Now I just see it all as an insane waste of resources.
(Star Wars is still awesome of course)
The Warriors intend to sign Kevin Knox into one of their vacant roster spots out of the All-Star break, per sources. Ten-day contract. Knox is averaging 19.1 points, 7.3 rebounds in Santa Cruz. Organization has been high on him back to summer league. An extra big scoring wing.
@anthonyVslater
So now we'll have a two II's and a III.
Excited for him to have one good game early on and for fans to subsequently vault him ahead of Moody in present and future roster discussions, as is tradition.
Moody does have a $39M contract going forward... haha
Also for what it is worth he played 16 games in the "tip off tournament" in the G-League and shot 34% from three. The regular season sample is 12 games. Overall 38.6% across both in 28 games.
"Beginning on January 5 of any NBA Season, a Team may enter into a Player Contract (other than a Two-Way Contract) with a player for the longer of (i) ten (10) days, or (ii) a period encompassing three (3) games played by such Team (a “10-Day Contract”)."
https://ak-static.cms.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2023/06/2023-NBA-Collective-Bargaining-Agreement.pdf
Does this mean he can be with the team through the 25th?
Obviously it doesn't move the needle much by itself (although he's been on fire in Santa Cruz), and I'm probably reading too much into this, but why sign someone who somewhat attempts to replicate JK if JK's coming back before the 25th? (Although Knox can bring energy to the bench, and hopefully try to emulate Gui, which is always good).
Wouldn’t they just wait until 2/21 to start the 10 day clock? That would cover four games.
> The Warriors intend to sign
*intend*... so maybe they'll wait
Kinda excited for this, idk why
And here I thought we needed shooters.
Knox is big, but is he really “extra big”?
Dude’s freaking massive for a forward. Height-and width-wise.
I was just thinking this roster needed another power forward
Haha. Ideally one who’s plenty tough and athletic but has questionable shooting. ;-P
That said: I like Knox a lot, and it’s possible his shooting has turned a corner (.444 from 3 in Santa Cruz on over 7 attempts per 36).
Could run out a Butler-Santos-Knox-Kuminga-Green “all power forward” unit…
What? You leaving GP2 out?
He's a center, duh
That's actually got some shooting in it, and two ball-handlers.
Nice.
What kind of handlers?
"What did he say again Chuck?"
They pay the Butler to handle their balls.
I like this idea!
I also liked Knox. I was particularly fond of the strange chaos he brought to the summer league team and while that would mess with a good Curry-Green-Butler high IG lineup it could add an element of unpredictability that could totally work in the Ws favor in certain situations ... or, you know, against it :D
Masai Ujiri would approve
Yeah, the knox on him is that he hasn't been a good shooter in his young career but I hope he can turn it around there
The 10-day is kind of odd.
If they intend to put him into a roster spot for the rest of the year, is there some savings in doing the 2 ten-days he can sign before he either needs to sign a full contract or leave the team?
Or maybe just preserving some options if a buyout target surfaces?
I think it's preserving options.
Probably able to do a lower annualized rate on the 10-day contract or something.
It actually looks like it's pretty close to what you would get for a vet minimum (in Knox's case, for a 6-year veteran), prorated for (roughly) the number of games you would have in 10 days (say 5-6).
10-day for 6-year vet: $150,179
6 year vet min * 5/82 (figure 5 games in 10 days)
$2610000 x 5/82 = $159,182
Maybe doing it over the ASB finds a loophole or something where it counts as "10 days of the year" but only costs the 1/2 games that happen during this time? Who knows... good for Kevin! Hope he gets into some games during garbage time!
I suspect there is a teeny bit of savings (in the $10000s range), and they are just pinching every penny, since they are so tight to the first apron.
But, as you say, who knows.
Pretty impressive that we've had five callups from SCW, and at least three of them are solid members of the team now (Gui, Spencer and Post). I don't ever remember calling up five players before.
>An extra big scoring wing.
What is he like 7'5 and 300 lbs? ;-P
Extra Crispy!
I like my wings spicy!
I'm rooting like hell for him to revive his career here as a 3 and D rotational piece
Random thoughts that are not related to each other at all ...
- I still miss Wiggs
- JB is a pretty good replacement (insert "why not both?" .gif here). Not really the same kind of player, though.
- along with the kicked ball Wednesday and the overturn of the OB ball of Looney where he was being fouled yesterday plus a host of other questionable calls I am finding it hard not to complain about the reffing (I usually manage to remind myself that there will be some bad calls and even notice sometimes when I think a call went in our favor but it's getting more and more difficult to believe myself). Hell, even Fitz is starting to complain about the reffing and he used to love refs (tbf he's complaining about the calls not refs - he'd never to THAT)
-on the radio this morning someone said they were looking forward to seeing what moves the Ws make in the off season to put talent around Steph-Dray-JB, but I think that's delusional. pretty much the only move they can make is re-signing JK. They don't have cap space for even mid FA's and, if things go a little sideways with the JK negotiations they won't even have any kind of midlevel for Melton or someone like him. I think this is it and we are championship or bust with what we got (more or less minus some small moves around the edges).
- Here's the thing about the above: I think it might be enough everything works out pretty well (except Hield - can barely see that ship's sails anymore) Loon, JK, Moody, Podz & GP2 round out a pretty good top 8 Gui might be fighting for top 8 if he keeps it up and Post and TJD are both at least serviceable. Even Spenser has shown the ability to be that 3rd PG that Kerr just needs to be steady. If they can out it together they have shown that they can compete with the top teams. Win a 7 game series? who knows but their record against OKC-Memphis-Boston-Houston is starting to get out of small sample size territory.
- that leads me to the fact that I had a different response to last nights win than most. I was mad. Not at the win but both at the lame 17-1 run in 3 minutes they gave up to make it close doing the same lame things they've done all season and all the other winnable games where they've done the same thing. Really still mad about both Utah and Dalls losses plus a host of other winnable games we've booted over the course of the season. If we won just 3 of those 10 or so lame losses we would be at 31-24 just 1/2 game (1 in the loss column) behind 6th place right now! If they really are gonna have championship aspirations (no matter how small you think they are you can't deny the team has them) then they gotta cut down on the lame ass crap. Supposedly Jimmy was going to help with all that (and maybe he has/will), but this is on the core: Steph and Dray and Steve. You've already wasted so much opportunity and there is really no margin for error left. Be smarter in game and adapt quicker in game to the flow. I don't mind when we lose (ok, I do) but I hate it when we choke away games with stupidity by our proven championship level players and coaches!
It might help if they NEVER ran out a lineup of Podz, Spencer, Looney, Santos, and Hield again. I realize that the team is worn down, but that lineup is pretty bad on both offense and defense.
Right now we’re sitting at $154,503,818 in 2025 (excluding JK’s $10 mil qualifying offer) with a projected 2nd apron at $207,825,000.
If JK’s new contract is closer to $30 mil vs $38 mil (the max according to Slater), we may still have room for the TMLE. At say $185,000k we have about $22,000k to sign four guys (to reach 14) and still be under the 2nd apron. We can outbid vet min offers for Looney and GP2. One other vet min guy, then TLME at maybe around $6,000k.
Would love Melton back but I’m guessing he makes between TMLE and NTMLE.
We can make moves in the offseason, they just involve trades using Moody, Buddy, or sign and trading Kuminga. If they aren’t in love with butler they can use his contract to swing for another max contract level player too. The moves just wont be flashy free agent signings
OK, That's a good point. I guess we'll see what we have when JK gets back but assuming he's pretty damn good like he was just before the injury I am finding it hard to imagine a move that makes us better. maybe we do have too many forwards and something like a Moody + Buddy for someone like DiVincenzo? Balances out the roster?
What moves would make us better?
Oooh Ooooh how about a sign and trade of JK for a true small forward like- wait for it - Andrew Wiggins?
(note: I am assuming that no one values Loon/GP2 like Ws and something gets done at lower salaries to keep them)
Steve going with a G League lineup to close the 3rd and hold a lead was horrible coaching. I get that he maybe wanted to limit the main guys, but not all at once, man. Get 3 minutes out of a normal end of 3rd rotation and go into the 4th up 20, and the Rockets prob start their vacation early…
Nah, it was Lightyears Coaching. Lulled Udoke into thinking HIS G League lineup was the reason they came back and he kept them in the game longer... This is 4D Chess not Checkers :P
I am not normally on the "bad coaching" train but I couldn't believe the poo poo lineup that we ran out there that just absolutely hemorrhaged points. You can't blame that on the OG players because they weren't even in the game!
Sure, Steph and Dray made some mistakes once things got close that would be nice if they didn't, but the vomiting up of the lead was squarely on the coaching staff who got way too cute running that lineup. Clearly they hoped to buy some minutes but they stuck with it way too long.
On the way to commercial break he was talking with Stotts or Stack and pretty clearly said 'it was too soon'. That was exactly how I felt when my oldest backed the car out of the driveway and through the mailbox.
oof.
Reminds me of when I jauntily pulled into my parking spot at my apartment at a much higher speed that I normally do, completely missed it, and scraped a post hard enough to require a new door panel, and a repaired quarter panel. 1600 bucks later ...
And, I didn't have the excuse of being a new driver.
Mailbox should have gotten out of the driveway.
Hard to fault it. It was fleeing for it's life since I was aiming at the post (apparently)
Thought the head-tap play that got JB isolated and fouled on the drive was interesting. Once JB got the ball in the corner, the other four Dubs just calmly cleared out beyond the three-point arc and played spectators. Can't recall seeing something this egregious before - didn't look a thing like Kerr-ball. Perhaps it happened in the KD era but I don't remember a play like that. Really demonstrated that the Dubs have a lot of confidence in JB and his ability to close out games.