I had gotten the notice about the switch of URL and tried to enter it into my RSS aggregator (yes, some of us still do that -- I think it's me and 4 other people...), but at the time, it the URL still resolved to letsgowarriors.com. Glad to have finally located the community.
People disagreed with me for saying I was rooting for the Clippers but after some of those CP3 antics in this game I'm betting some Warriors fans were triggered enough into rooting for the Clippers.
Right now, I'm still for the Suns over the Clippers -- a total mercenary team with no organic connection to the Clippers. But I'll be for whoever comes out of the East against the Suns. It goes against the prevailing media current, but I never need to see CP3 win anything.
The front office really fucked up this year, we could easily be playing the suns or clippers right now in the wcf, with that being said, I hope they don't over compensate by trading wiseman and the #7 for a marginal improvement.
I don't see someone taking moody before 7 and I feel like he can come in and help right away with shooting, rebounding, defense and off ball movement, that plus a potential deadly center that's only 20 should not be moved unless it really takes us over the top
Fun fact, he’s older than Wiggins. Wiggins fits a “youth movement” more than Boucher. I feel like the Raptors players are interesting, but not quite a fit… mostly due to not having great wings.
"As an individual, Boucher finished with an offensive rating of 127 per 100 possessions — which ranked him only behind Patrick McCaw on the Raptors (note: McCaw played five games)."
I would not be happy trading Wiseman. That would be a bad look for this team, the kid wants to be here, he is talented, let him develop. I hope these are just rumors.
Yeah I agree. I wouldn’t mind keeping ‘strength in numbers’ we have managed to regain this year. Trading out depth and future for Simmons or Dame is a tough pill. Would be fun for like, 2 years
So now I’m reading that we are dangling the #7 and Wiseman to upgrade the squad. But how would we do that without giving up a contract but what are they actually thinking? Please don’t do that for Simmons
There's gonna be a lot of rumors about our dangling XYZ, just remember that we have draft capital and apparent interest, so anybody with any motivation to make any trade happen will bring up the Warriors and any of our assets (Wiseman, Wiggins, picks) to help their cause. It can come from another team, a player's agent, media looking for clicks, the Warriors FO, etc. All to be taken with giant grains of salt until an actual trade happens.
Yeah I read that and am very underwhelmed about this idea. Siakak does not fill a need and is not good enough to be able to plug in our lineup as is. Then if we have to give up wigs on top of that then he’ll no.
It just seems pointless- especially with Wiggins on the upswing and likely to benefit from Klay's return. If they did something like this, it would mean that the reports of Kerr being really enamored with Wiseman are bullshit.
yep, the trade ideas just get dumber. Apparently the idea is that because Siakam played really well against the Warriors in the finals, that makes him a star. The reality is that he is a modest upgrade over Wiggins, and Wiggins is actually younger.
Seriously. Idiots on Twitter saying we're overvaluing our assets when really Siakam and Wiggins might as well be a push -- which makes the trade a massive overpay.
I like that idea the best out of any of the trade candidates I've seen, as long as they also signed a stretch 5. Curry/Klay/?/Draymond/Siakam has the makings of an excellent crunch time lineup.
Of course, Siakam's health is a question. And neither he nor Klay will be ready to start the season. Can the Warriors sign guys on discounts to fill out the roster for before they are back?
No clue if Raptors are interested, but I would much prefer Wiseman + one of the picks + contract filler for OG Anunoby and his 16M salary starting next year.
You keep Wiggins as a SF. OG can pay SF or PF in the small lineup.
Yeah, it's not a bad trade, but I still think it'd be selling Wiggins & Wiseman pretty low.
That said, if we're trading Wiggins and Wiseman for a single player, we've got an open starter spot that Oubre is pining for... with Looney, Poole, JTA, #14, Lee, and some vets off the bench. It'd be a great switchable defensive line up dependent on Steph's transcendent offense... maybe Siakam helps get Lowry to come on MLE? If we can get Gasol and Danny Green to sign on, we have 7 of the starters from the 2019 finals on the roster. If you can't beat 'em, get them to join you! LOL
But, I'm still not sold that Siakam is worth all that... I get that he's probably better than Wiggins, but he's coming off two down years and an injury. If we add our #14 and Boucher to the mix (Wiggins+Wiseman+#7+#14 for Siakam+Boucher), I'd like it a lot more and the salaries actually fit.
I think Siakam is a clear upgrade on Wiggins, personally. Also, I would not say he is coming off of two down years, he was an All-Star two years ago and was 2nd Team All-NBA. His 3 point shooting went to shit this past season but other than that he played well, plus it's pretty easy to look at the shoulder surgery he's having and link it to his 3PT% dip. Not to mention, he was incredible as a second option when he was playing with Kawhi. 63% TS on 20% usage. For reference, the new and improved Wiggins shot 57% TS on 23% usage.
It's basically the only trade proposal I've heard about that I don't hate, but only if the Warriors get a starting center who can shoot. Their closing lineup with Green and Siakam as the frontcourt would be disgusting.
Siakam not being ready for the start of the season is a wrench, but might also lower his price a bit.
I loved Siakam a year or two ago (who didn’t) but I’m leery of shoulders. Unlike knees, Achilles, and ankles, where strength is your goal in recovery, shoulders have to work smoothly and without pain to support the fine motor control essential in shooting. If his shoulder is affecting his shot now, the likelihood surgery will fix that is substantially less than Klay or KD’s chances of being complete players post-surgery.
Yeah, if Siakam can get back to that and all that's right, he's better than Wiggins. But not "+ Wiseman + #7" better, IMO. But of course, I think I'm among the group that values both Wiggins & Wiseman more than you... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Given that neither of us actually have to make these decisions, nor are we in the building to know more details about everything, we can agree it's the best trade we've seen cross the desk, and disagree on the specifics.
Forgot to mention, regarding your modified proposal.
If the Raptors threw in Boucher, that solves the "stretch 5" search right there. Warriors could use the TPMLE on a wing, tread water while Klay and Siakam are rehabbing, and then be really good when they get back.
Main issue with it is that Boucher is a free agent after next season. He's never gotten that much money in the league so he'd probably be looking for as much as he could get. Are the Warriors willing to pay him and would he come back? If so, I'd definitely give up the 14th pick for him. For a one year rental, it's a bit dicier though.
"Probably better than Wiggins" is a shitty return considering that Wiggins is on the upswing, is durable as heck, and Wiseman could be huge in the future. I just don't understand the thinking behind a trade for Siakam at all. Even with Boucher added, whom I admit would be awesome to get back.
Yeah, it's counting on Siakam getting back to his awesome "3rd wheel" form where he's free to play make and "glue guy" on offense and that he can improve 3pt% with more open shots from Steph/Klay/Dray, which would be more valuable than Wiggins. I'm wouldn't be happy with this trade, but it's not the worst idea in the world.
I don't love the idea, but I don't hate it. Siakam had one year with an above average TS%, but that was the championship year and when he was not required to be the primary scorer.
To get him, we'd need to give up Wiggins (or Oubre S&T maybe), who is a much more obvious positional fit. Siakam is a similar or better defender than Wigs and his +/- stats support him being a better player. It's just not a transformative trade, which makes it seem much more realistic. I'll take the dream of Cade for 7/14/Wise instead.
I’m hoping the Warriors can pull off a three team sign and trade with Oubre going to the team of his choice, and the Warriors able to use that salary towards a Simmons trade.
I'm curious how many here would do Wiggins, Wiseman, #7, #14, and future firsts for Lillard? I've been all on board with trading for a superstar, but this one is really tough. The fit isn't perfect, but with that much firepower you can usually make the rest work. Does this team beat a fully healthy Brooklyn?
No. I love Lillard, but what position does he play on this team? And giving up Wiggins, Wiseman, two lottery picks, and future firsts for a guy who could end up being the best 6th man we've ever had just doesn't make sense to me.
I think the concept is that Steph, Klay, and Dame would go "over" those folks from "way downtown"... And the idea behind all "super teams" is to fill out the roster with older ring chasing vets. There are plenty of wings available to fill holes... you just need to be a preferred destination (and we would be).
> For context, Penny Hardaway has been mentoring Wiseman pretty much his entire life.
I have thought about this more than once during this season, and ..... Wiseman was so unready for the NBA that I'm thinking having a point guard coaching a center probably was never a great idea. There are flashes of brilliance that I'm sure were very impressive against other regular high school players, but... I really am curious if he would have been any better if he'd played an entire college season. I'm sure he would be somewhat better, but I'm guessing not much more than when we got him.
I agree that would have been helpful - but I'm really not sure how much progress Wiseman would have actually made with Penny as head coach. I guess what I am saying is that any progress he made would have come from assistant coaches - not Hardaway.
Mine too. His footwork and balance dazzled me, and he looked far more NBA-ready than Wiseman, but with Chriss and Looney already on the roster, we were already pretty deep in small, switchable bigs.
No way POR does that for a guy who's a negative player come playoff time without additional assets. I expect loads of teams would be in for Dame, particularly:
- Us (Wiseman, #7, #14, Poole and future firsts after the draft + obviously Wiggins as the salary match)
- Raptors (they can offer Siakam + probably Suggs + picks): They're not really going anywhere right now, this makes them instant players in the East
- Nuggets (Murray or Porter or maybe even both lol)
- Pelicans (they can offer Ingram + a lot of picks): With the Zion wanting out rumors, this is probably one of the best ways to make him happy
- Philadelphia (Simmons, Maxey, Thybulle + picks)
- Boston (Jaylen Brown + stuff)
- LAC (Might wanna move George and get Dame)
- Lakers (This only happens if Dame specifically requests the Lakers and even then is super unlikely as they have a terrible package unless they move AD)
There will be loads of packages out there, it depends what the Blazers want. If they want to remain competitive, then we don't really stand a change. If they want to start a proper rebuild, then our package might appear the best one.
Why in the world would we give up all of that for Lillard? The guy is a great talent, but seriously, where does he play for the Ws? Do you move Klay to the 3 and start Lillard alongside Curry? That's a small backcourt with not much defense. And my impression is that Lillard likes to be on the ball -- and not just to pass it to the best shooters in the league.
- It'll be incredibly fun to watch Steph, Dame and Klay together lol.
- If it doesn't work out after a year or two, Dame will still have a really strong trade market, so I think the risk is mitigated due to his long contract.
You say Dame + Steph is "too small" of a back court, but... for that to be true, they'd have to be scored on more easily and consistently than they'd score on the opposing team.
There are approximately two guys in the NBA where walking two steps across half court and firing up a bomb in a defender's face (because, yes, they're being defended at half court) is *still* an efficient play. Putting both of them on the same team has the potential to "ruin the game" all over again.
I, for one, would be overjoyed to watch Steph and Dame make every Warriors game have scoring like the All-Star Game.
Klay would be the SF in that lineup, and I think with Draymond, Klay and another good defender, that lineup would be fine defensively (especially as Steph is a pretty good defender, even moreso after he has bulked up a bit). #1 offense and #10-15 defense is a title contender.
If it doesn't work out (which might very well happen), then we can trade Dame as he's under contract till 2025 (and will still be a very valuable asset).
Yes, I would say so. Offense and shooting is king today, and we'll have the best offense in the league with a lineup of Steph, Dame, Klay, insert good defender, Draymond. Heck, we might be able to play Draymond and Looney together in that lineup and reach top 10 levels defensively.
However, this is probably a pipe dream, but a 3 team trade where the Blazers get assets, we get PG and the Clippers get Dame would be perfect.
On the one hand... who needs defense when you've got Steph/Klay/Dame on the same team??
On the other, when your offense usually scores in the first 5 seconds of the shot clock, a surprising percentage of your game time will be spent on defense...
Apricot: how do you manage to go back and find comments? Do you literally scan through everything (while clicking "Load More" 1000 times)? Or is there some sort of "sort by <3" feature?
The truth is, I wrote a little javascript bookmarklet. I've thought about writing a Chrome and Safari Extension to add the web site features that I want to Substack, but there's never enough time (nor sense that anyone besides myself would use it)
This is where you all have been hiding!
I had gotten the notice about the switch of URL and tried to enter it into my RSS aggregator (yes, some of us still do that -- I think it's me and 4 other people...), but at the time, it the URL still resolved to letsgowarriors.com. Glad to have finally located the community.
People disagreed with me for saying I was rooting for the Clippers but after some of those CP3 antics in this game I'm betting some Warriors fans were triggered enough into rooting for the Clippers.
Very fun team, honestly.
Naw, still want LA to go down in a heap. CP can loose in the finals.
Ever since Kawhi has gone down, I've been rooting for the Clippers. PG, Reggie, Batuma nd Zubac are all fun as hell and easy to root for imo.
Right now, I'm still for the Suns over the Clippers -- a total mercenary team with no organic connection to the Clippers. But I'll be for whoever comes out of the East against the Suns. It goes against the prevailing media current, but I never need to see CP3 win anything.
Bucks all the way… if you hate CP3 antics, you gotta also hate Bev…
The front office really fucked up this year, we could easily be playing the suns or clippers right now in the wcf, with that being said, I hope they don't over compensate by trading wiseman and the #7 for a marginal improvement.
I don't see someone taking moody before 7 and I feel like he can come in and help right away with shooting, rebounding, defense and off ball movement, that plus a potential deadly center that's only 20 should not be moved unless it really takes us over the top
Keep Siakam (doesn't shoot, not enough of an improvement over Wiggins to merit #7 and Wiseman), give us OG for Wiseman + filler.
Raptors aren't trading Anunoby.
Fun fact, he's younger than Chris Duarte.
Yeah, even Boucher is a stretch but I could see it as he's 28 and approaching a payday.
Fun fact, he’s older than Wiggins. Wiggins fits a “youth movement” more than Boucher. I feel like the Raptors players are interesting, but not quite a fit… mostly due to not having great wings.
Oh, but he does shoot! He was 31st in the league this past season in FGA per game.
I'm warming to the idea of a trade with Toronto if and only if it includes Boucher. Here is a very informed take on his season:
https://www.raptorshq.com/2021/6/1/22461417/nba-toronto-raptors-player-review-2020-2021-chris-boucher
Didn't Boucher have a bad injury late in the season, that everyone seems to forget about...
Yes, same knee as in college too. It’s mentioned in that season review.
Hilarious snippet:
"As an individual, Boucher finished with an offensive rating of 127 per 100 possessions — which ranked him only behind Patrick McCaw on the Raptors (note: McCaw played five games)."
It's about to be a wild offseason.
Honestly, I hope not.
I would not be happy trading Wiseman. That would be a bad look for this team, the kid wants to be here, he is talented, let him develop. I hope these are just rumors.
Yeah I agree. I wouldn’t mind keeping ‘strength in numbers’ we have managed to regain this year. Trading out depth and future for Simmons or Dame is a tough pill. Would be fun for like, 2 years
Glad I'm not on the 16th floor, as I was a couple nights ago. Defenestration hopefully not imminent...
So now I’m reading that we are dangling the #7 and Wiseman to upgrade the squad. But how would we do that without giving up a contract but what are they actually thinking? Please don’t do that for Simmons
Only chance is if Oubre does a sign and trade, imo.
So yeah, most likely not happening.
There's gonna be a lot of rumors about our dangling XYZ, just remember that we have draft capital and apparent interest, so anybody with any motivation to make any trade happen will bring up the Warriors and any of our assets (Wiseman, Wiggins, picks) to help their cause. It can come from another team, a player's agent, media looking for clicks, the Warriors FO, etc. All to be taken with giant grains of salt until an actual trade happens.
Of course there will be but this came from a dubs source
A source or a Chris Broussard "sauce"?
Pascal Siakam is one name involved.
Yeah I read that and am very underwhelmed about this idea. Siakak does not fill a need and is not good enough to be able to plug in our lineup as is. Then if we have to give up wigs on top of that then he’ll no.
It just seems pointless- especially with Wiggins on the upswing and likely to benefit from Klay's return. If they did something like this, it would mean that the reports of Kerr being really enamored with Wiseman are bullshit.
yep, the trade ideas just get dumber. Apparently the idea is that because Siakam played really well against the Warriors in the finals, that makes him a star. The reality is that he is a modest upgrade over Wiggins, and Wiggins is actually younger.
Seriously. Idiots on Twitter saying we're overvaluing our assets when really Siakam and Wiggins might as well be a push -- which makes the trade a massive overpay.
I like that idea the best out of any of the trade candidates I've seen, as long as they also signed a stretch 5. Curry/Klay/?/Draymond/Siakam has the makings of an excellent crunch time lineup.
Of course, Siakam's health is a question. And neither he nor Klay will be ready to start the season. Can the Warriors sign guys on discounts to fill out the roster for before they are back?
No clue if Raptors are interested, but I would much prefer Wiseman + one of the picks + contract filler for OG Anunoby and his 16M salary starting next year.
You keep Wiggins as a SF. OG can pay SF or PF in the small lineup.
Yeah, it's not a bad trade, but I still think it'd be selling Wiggins & Wiseman pretty low.
That said, if we're trading Wiggins and Wiseman for a single player, we've got an open starter spot that Oubre is pining for... with Looney, Poole, JTA, #14, Lee, and some vets off the bench. It'd be a great switchable defensive line up dependent on Steph's transcendent offense... maybe Siakam helps get Lowry to come on MLE? If we can get Gasol and Danny Green to sign on, we have 7 of the starters from the 2019 finals on the roster. If you can't beat 'em, get them to join you! LOL
But, I'm still not sold that Siakam is worth all that... I get that he's probably better than Wiggins, but he's coming off two down years and an injury. If we add our #14 and Boucher to the mix (Wiggins+Wiseman+#7+#14 for Siakam+Boucher), I'd like it a lot more and the salaries actually fit.
I think Siakam is a clear upgrade on Wiggins, personally. Also, I would not say he is coming off of two down years, he was an All-Star two years ago and was 2nd Team All-NBA. His 3 point shooting went to shit this past season but other than that he played well, plus it's pretty easy to look at the shoulder surgery he's having and link it to his 3PT% dip. Not to mention, he was incredible as a second option when he was playing with Kawhi. 63% TS on 20% usage. For reference, the new and improved Wiggins shot 57% TS on 23% usage.
It's basically the only trade proposal I've heard about that I don't hate, but only if the Warriors get a starting center who can shoot. Their closing lineup with Green and Siakam as the frontcourt would be disgusting.
Siakam not being ready for the start of the season is a wrench, but might also lower his price a bit.
I loved Siakam a year or two ago (who didn’t) but I’m leery of shoulders. Unlike knees, Achilles, and ankles, where strength is your goal in recovery, shoulders have to work smoothly and without pain to support the fine motor control essential in shooting. If his shoulder is affecting his shot now, the likelihood surgery will fix that is substantially less than Klay or KD’s chances of being complete players post-surgery.
Not sure I’d trade Wiggins straight up.
Yeah, if Siakam can get back to that and all that's right, he's better than Wiggins. But not "+ Wiseman + #7" better, IMO. But of course, I think I'm among the group that values both Wiggins & Wiseman more than you... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Given that neither of us actually have to make these decisions, nor are we in the building to know more details about everything, we can agree it's the best trade we've seen cross the desk, and disagree on the specifics.
Forgot to mention, regarding your modified proposal.
If the Raptors threw in Boucher, that solves the "stretch 5" search right there. Warriors could use the TPMLE on a wing, tread water while Klay and Siakam are rehabbing, and then be really good when they get back.
Main issue with it is that Boucher is a free agent after next season. He's never gotten that much money in the league so he'd probably be looking for as much as he could get. Are the Warriors willing to pay him and would he come back? If so, I'd definitely give up the 14th pick for him. For a one year rental, it's a bit dicier though.
"Probably better than Wiggins" is a shitty return considering that Wiggins is on the upswing, is durable as heck, and Wiseman could be huge in the future. I just don't understand the thinking behind a trade for Siakam at all. Even with Boucher added, whom I admit would be awesome to get back.
Yeah, it's counting on Siakam getting back to his awesome "3rd wheel" form where he's free to play make and "glue guy" on offense and that he can improve 3pt% with more open shots from Steph/Klay/Dray, which would be more valuable than Wiggins. I'm wouldn't be happy with this trade, but it's not the worst idea in the world.
Meh... Wise + #14 for Boucher? LOL... sigh.
I don't love the idea, but I don't hate it. Siakam had one year with an above average TS%, but that was the championship year and when he was not required to be the primary scorer.
To get him, we'd need to give up Wiggins (or Oubre S&T maybe), who is a much more obvious positional fit. Siakam is a similar or better defender than Wigs and his +/- stats support him being a better player. It's just not a transformative trade, which makes it seem much more realistic. I'll take the dream of Cade for 7/14/Wise instead.
https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1409513011660955658
Scottie Barnes' pro day workout video.
Warriors need to draft him so he, Poole and Wiseman can be short shorts buddies.
Middleton doing his best Klay impression last night
I’m hoping the Warriors can pull off a three team sign and trade with Oubre going to the team of his choice, and the Warriors able to use that salary towards a Simmons trade.
They’ve already said they don’t want to go over a $400M payroll. I don’t know that they meant “...unless we can get Simmons.”
I would hope the caveats are implied in the statement, and include "unless we get... Lebron, Kawhi, Giannis, and half a dozen others"
I'm curious how many here would do Wiggins, Wiseman, #7, #14, and future firsts for Lillard? I've been all on board with trading for a superstar, but this one is really tough. The fit isn't perfect, but with that much firepower you can usually make the rest work. Does this team beat a fully healthy Brooklyn?
No. I love Lillard, but what position does he play on this team? And giving up Wiggins, Wiseman, two lottery picks, and future firsts for a guy who could end up being the best 6th man we've ever had just doesn't make sense to me.
It would be Lillard curry Klay green looney and I'm never betting against that lineup lol
That leaves a big hole at big wing D. Still have to get through LeBron and George/Kawahii in the west and KD/Giannis/Middleton in the east.
So I’d totally do it and fight to resign Oubre.
I think the concept is that Steph, Klay, and Dame would go "over" those folks from "way downtown"... And the idea behind all "super teams" is to fill out the roster with older ring chasing vets. There are plenty of wings available to fill holes... you just need to be a preferred destination (and we would be).
I do it asap
Not me. Add another short and mediocre to bad defender and a guy who needs the ball to be successful? No thanksZ
Yeah, I love Lillard and wish he could play in his hometown, but agree
Yeah, but he'd also see the ball a lot less...
Steph , Dame and Klay might break the NBA record for 3pters by themselves
From Shams:
Memphis coach Penny Hardaway interviewed for the Orlando Magic head coaching job and has emerged as a serious candidate, sources tell
@TheAthletic @Stadium.
For context, Penny Hardaway has been mentoring Wiseman pretty much his entire life. Orlando has Wendell Carter and Mo Bamba at the center position.
Hmmmm....
> For context, Penny Hardaway has been mentoring Wiseman pretty much his entire life.
I have thought about this more than once during this season, and ..... Wiseman was so unready for the NBA that I'm thinking having a point guard coaching a center probably was never a great idea. There are flashes of brilliance that I'm sure were very impressive against other regular high school players, but... I really am curious if he would have been any better if he'd played an entire college season. I'm sure he would be somewhat better, but I'm guessing not much more than when we got him.
I think playing a whole college season would have been more than somewhat helpful.
I agree that would have been helpful - but I'm really not sure how much progress Wiseman would have actually made with Penny as head coach. I guess what I am saying is that any progress he made would have come from assistant coaches - not Hardaway.
But who would we want from them? (No Vucevic anymore)
They do have #5 and #8 in this draft. Either of those might be pretty good as additional trade assets.
I'm terrible at fake trades but Carter/5/8 for Wiseman/7/14, who says no?
I wouldn't do that if I were Orlando.
Let them keep the 8?
Then it's Carter/5 for Wiseman/7/14, which is a bad trade for us. Moving up 2 spots isn't worth another lottery pick + Wiseman.
Carter/5/future protected first rounder for Wiseman/7/14?
But you also have a more fully-functioning 270 big man. I could on;y see the Warriors making this trade if:
A) They’re not as sold on Wiseman (or his development timeline) as they say, and...
B) There’s someone they REALLY like in the draft.
*immediately begins trade machining Wiseman to ORL trades*
Atlanta putting Okongwu on Giannis shows how much faith they have in him.
He was my first choice if the Warriors drafted a center, his switchability is awesome for his size
Mine too. His footwork and balance dazzled me, and he looked far more NBA-ready than Wiseman, but with Chriss and Looney already on the roster, we were already pretty deep in small, switchable bigs.
Damian "Loyalty is my only flaw" Lillard might be requesting a trade. Lol.
If this is true, there's been a LOT of chatter about Dame for Ben Simmons. Not sure why POR does that, but that would be great for PHI
No way POR does that for a guy who's a negative player come playoff time without additional assets. I expect loads of teams would be in for Dame, particularly:
- Us (Wiseman, #7, #14, Poole and future firsts after the draft + obviously Wiggins as the salary match)
- Raptors (they can offer Siakam + probably Suggs + picks): They're not really going anywhere right now, this makes them instant players in the East
- Nuggets (Murray or Porter or maybe even both lol)
- Pelicans (they can offer Ingram + a lot of picks): With the Zion wanting out rumors, this is probably one of the best ways to make him happy
- Philadelphia (Simmons, Maxey, Thybulle + picks)
- Boston (Jaylen Brown + stuff)
- LAC (Might wanna move George and get Dame)
- Lakers (This only happens if Dame specifically requests the Lakers and even then is super unlikely as they have a terrible package unless they move AD)
There will be loads of packages out there, it depends what the Blazers want. If they want to remain competitive, then we don't really stand a change. If they want to start a proper rebuild, then our package might appear the best one.
Why in the world would we give up all of that for Lillard? The guy is a great talent, but seriously, where does he play for the Ws? Do you move Klay to the 3 and start Lillard alongside Curry? That's a small backcourt with not much defense. And my impression is that Lillard likes to be on the ball -- and not just to pass it to the best shooters in the league.
> If they want to start a proper rebuild, then our package might appear the best one.
But then, does it make sense for the Warriors?
Another couple of important factors are that:
- It'll be incredibly fun to watch Steph, Dame and Klay together lol.
- If it doesn't work out after a year or two, Dame will still have a really strong trade market, so I think the risk is mitigated due to his long contract.
You say Dame + Steph is "too small" of a back court, but... for that to be true, they'd have to be scored on more easily and consistently than they'd score on the opposing team.
There are approximately two guys in the NBA where walking two steps across half court and firing up a bomb in a defender's face (because, yes, they're being defended at half court) is *still* an efficient play. Putting both of them on the same team has the potential to "ruin the game" all over again.
I, for one, would be overjoyed to watch Steph and Dame make every Warriors game have scoring like the All-Star Game.
Klay would be the SF in that lineup, and I think with Draymond, Klay and another good defender, that lineup would be fine defensively (especially as Steph is a pretty good defender, even moreso after he has bulked up a bit). #1 offense and #10-15 defense is a title contender.
If it doesn't work out (which might very well happen), then we can trade Dame as he's under contract till 2025 (and will still be a very valuable asset).
Yes, I would say so. Offense and shooting is king today, and we'll have the best offense in the league with a lineup of Steph, Dame, Klay, insert good defender, Draymond. Heck, we might be able to play Draymond and Looney together in that lineup and reach top 10 levels defensively.
However, this is probably a pipe dream, but a 3 team trade where the Blazers get assets, we get PG and the Clippers get Dame would be perfect.
I keep getting ASG logo shot flashbacks when envisioning a Steph/Dame/Klay backcourt. So much scoring
On the one hand... who needs defense when you've got Steph/Klay/Dame on the same team??
On the other, when your offense usually scores in the first 5 seconds of the shot clock, a surprising percentage of your game time will be spent on defense...
Apricot: how do you manage to go back and find comments? Do you literally scan through everything (while clicking "Load More" 1000 times)? Or is there some sort of "sort by <3" feature?
The truth is, I wrote a little javascript bookmarklet. I've thought about writing a Chrome and Safari Extension to add the web site features that I want to Substack, but there's never enough time (nor sense that anyone besides myself would use it)