I know it's after the fact, but getting back to this draft tourney vote: #Seven.
Both of these guys are interesting prospects I could potentially appreciate on the team, but with big concerning flaws. Rupert is my preference because he has more upside and the things he does well (FT%, STL, AST) tend to be ones that are predictive of improvements in other areas. I don't expect him to be in the playoff rotation but he could get some time here and there while sharpening his game with the Sea Dubs and eventually be pretty handy. Or he could be a more attractive trade prospect if the new GM decides we don't need another raw young guy on the team at the moment.
If it’s a tour bus, they might have your tickets and schedule all planned out. If not, there’s a package there at the Dumo ticket office that includes the panorama view. It’s a separate entrance to the right of the cathedral. If there’s a big line outside, three will undoubtedly be severalb choke points where they make you wait in another line. The interior lines added over an hour to our total wait. My buddy tapped out and went to a bar. Totally defendable action on n his part.
Klay dribbles less than any player in the league. Literally. Catch and shoot. Cut, catch and shoot. Poole doesn't get it. Someone should show him the video of Klay scoring over 60 points on 14 dribbles. Steph dribbles. But he looks for a better shot or an open teammate. Easiest thing for a defense to do is absorb Poole dribbling. Most dangerous man is the one who just passed the ball.
Relevant to some of the comments in this thread. Monte Poole talks about Heat having success with undrafted players while Warriors can't get playoff contribution from their drafted players ,(,but for Moody).. Results driven narrative, oversimplification and all that but still this resonates with what Kerr says about playing young players in the Playoffs.
- Martin, Strus and Vincent played quite a bit in college and then spent time in G+League. They are right now 24 yr+.
- Undrafted players play with hunger and stay humble when they don't get playing time. Our guys still haven't turned 21 (I think).
The Warriors spread the floor. Poole dribbling constantly is more of an issue than no inside threat. Steph pulls so much coverage, a more savvy player would just move and cut without the ball. Stylistically Poole would help more in catch and shoot mode.
I saw Poole interviews where he said that Kerr spoke to him and Kuminga almost every day, separately and or jointly. People don't understand how little practice time teams have in season. Often one or zero practices per week. Infrequently two practices. With two or three or even four games per week, recovery\trainer sessions, film sessions, walk-throughs and much travel; players must absorb information quickly, on the fly and in the most mature and responsible way possible. When you see 4 or 5 excellent coaches get fired in consecutive days and realize that HC Kerr is the only HC with the same team of the last 5 championship squads, you realize that owners trash coaches easily as opposed to players with contracts worth 50 to 100 million dollars over a number of years. Poole needs to own his behavior and immaturity. No player should be hit by a teammate. But that doesn't justify his unacceptable play this season and his lack of real development. The latter is more problematic than the former. All players have off years. Klay had a B plus season. He didn't shoot well versus the Lakers. Baby. Bath water. Etc. Etc
#SEVEN. I’ll go with the project with defensive upside , wingspan, and youth. He needs to gain 20lb to play in the NBA. Maybe 3 years from now. Way I see it, Warriors don’t draft for immediate needs as they don’t rely on rookies in the playoffs. Even in the regular season they’d rather play 2-way vets. Keeps the core happy to not feel like babysitting teenagers on the court. I agree with this approach for now. Better to stock talent and upside for 3 years from now then search for a player who can contribute right away, but won’t see the court under Kerr.
Ok, here's the scouting report for a wing, projected to go late lottery to late teens:
Height: 6 foot 7, wingspan 7 foot 3
Strengths: Athleticism, Crashing the boards, Active defender, Can guard multiple positions, Non-stop work ethic, Impacts the game without needing to score, Ability to rebound and lead the break, Attacking the basket, Dangerous in transition, Ball handler, Can create for teammates off the bounce, Good passer
Weaknesses: Three-point shooting, Inconsistent mid-range jumper, Tends to over-dribble, Forces penetration when it is not there
Back during the 2011 draft, I really wanted the Warriors to grab that player. Instead, the Warriors grabbed Klay, in what was an inspired choice which cemented the foundation for 4 championships and a decade of dominance. The player I wanted, scouted above, was Kawhi Leonard, sophomore out of SDSU.
Is Rayan Rupert guaranteed or even likely to raise his ceiling like Kawhi did? Probably not. Chances are that he won't be a Hall-of-Fame player ... but the potential to become a solid long-term starter and maybe even an All-Star is there. I don't feel the same about Murray - his ceiling is much lower, though he might make a more immediate impact.
Whether we like it or not, the end of the Curry era is coming closer, and the Warriors need to start accumulating players that have the potential to carry torch beyond that.
In what is the acknowledged opposite of a win-now move, I'd go with Rupert at #7. He may be my favorite player in this tournament, though I'd probably still pick Lively and maybe Coulibaly above him, since they'd probably contribute earlier while still having significant upside potential.
> After working out for the Hawks and Jazz, Ben Sheppard is now scheduled to work out for the Pelicans (#14) and Warriors (19), per source. There has been a boom of interest in Sheppard after his tremendous NBA combine. Has moved into the first round mix and rising.
I don't disagree with anything you said. Young players struggle. It is disappointing that he did not improve this year. And he had minutes with injury and GP2 gone.
I think that is fair in some ways. But when Steph gets a T for throwing his mouthpiece after Poole Jack's up a shot while he is wide open......you have to wonder what the team dynamic is.
So many folks turned so very, very sour on Poole this year. It was a frustrating year, but I suggest we all watch a little tape of last season.
Here's my favorite DubNation quote from last year to remind you of the vibe: Mr.BrachiatingApe posted "his arsenal of jukes and moves went from decent, yeah-that-kid's-got-promise levels to holy-sh*t-did-you-get-the-number-of-that-atomic-powered-robot-cheetah-that-just-vaporized-my-ankles level in a single off-season."
No one expected the severe regression, least of all Poole. But I still remember and have love for his meme faces, his shifty, nimble game, his Maine coon cats, and his distance ball.
I know it's after the fact, but getting back to this draft tourney vote: #Seven.
Both of these guys are interesting prospects I could potentially appreciate on the team, but with big concerning flaws. Rupert is my preference because he has more upside and the things he does well (FT%, STL, AST) tend to be ones that are predictive of improvements in other areas. I don't expect him to be in the playoff rotation but he could get some time here and there while sharpening his game with the Sea Dubs and eventually be pretty handy. Or he could be a more attractive trade prospect if the new GM decides we don't need another raw young guy on the team at the moment.
If it’s a tour bus, they might have your tickets and schedule all planned out. If not, there’s a package there at the Dumo ticket office that includes the panorama view. It’s a separate entrance to the right of the cathedral. If there’s a big line outside, three will undoubtedly be severalb choke points where they make you wait in another line. The interior lines added over an hour to our total wait. My buddy tapped out and went to a bar. Totally defendable action on n his part.
Totally on point!!!
Klay dribbles less than any player in the league. Literally. Catch and shoot. Cut, catch and shoot. Poole doesn't get it. Someone should show him the video of Klay scoring over 60 points on 14 dribbles. Steph dribbles. But he looks for a better shot or an open teammate. Easiest thing for a defense to do is absorb Poole dribbling. Most dangerous man is the one who just passed the ball.
Relevant to some of the comments in this thread. Monte Poole talks about Heat having success with undrafted players while Warriors can't get playoff contribution from their drafted players ,(,but for Moody).. Results driven narrative, oversimplification and all that but still this resonates with what Kerr says about playing young players in the Playoffs.
- Martin, Strus and Vincent played quite a bit in college and then spent time in G+League. They are right now 24 yr+.
- Undrafted players play with hunger and stay humble when they don't get playing time. Our guys still haven't turned 21 (I think).
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/nba-finals-why-heat-succeeded-area-warriors-struggled-season
The Warriors spread the floor. Poole dribbling constantly is more of an issue than no inside threat. Steph pulls so much coverage, a more savvy player would just move and cut without the ball. Stylistically Poole would help more in catch and shoot mode.
I saw Poole interviews where he said that Kerr spoke to him and Kuminga almost every day, separately and or jointly. People don't understand how little practice time teams have in season. Often one or zero practices per week. Infrequently two practices. With two or three or even four games per week, recovery\trainer sessions, film sessions, walk-throughs and much travel; players must absorb information quickly, on the fly and in the most mature and responsible way possible. When you see 4 or 5 excellent coaches get fired in consecutive days and realize that HC Kerr is the only HC with the same team of the last 5 championship squads, you realize that owners trash coaches easily as opposed to players with contracts worth 50 to 100 million dollars over a number of years. Poole needs to own his behavior and immaturity. No player should be hit by a teammate. But that doesn't justify his unacceptable play this season and his lack of real development. The latter is more problematic than the former. All players have off years. Klay had a B plus season. He didn't shoot well versus the Lakers. Baby. Bath water. Etc. Etc
#SEVEN. I’ll go with the project with defensive upside , wingspan, and youth. He needs to gain 20lb to play in the NBA. Maybe 3 years from now. Way I see it, Warriors don’t draft for immediate needs as they don’t rely on rookies in the playoffs. Even in the regular season they’d rather play 2-way vets. Keeps the core happy to not feel like babysitting teenagers on the court. I agree with this approach for now. Better to stock talent and upside for 3 years from now then search for a player who can contribute right away, but won’t see the court under Kerr.
Ok, here's the scouting report for a wing, projected to go late lottery to late teens:
Height: 6 foot 7, wingspan 7 foot 3
Strengths: Athleticism, Crashing the boards, Active defender, Can guard multiple positions, Non-stop work ethic, Impacts the game without needing to score, Ability to rebound and lead the break, Attacking the basket, Dangerous in transition, Ball handler, Can create for teammates off the bounce, Good passer
Weaknesses: Three-point shooting, Inconsistent mid-range jumper, Tends to over-dribble, Forces penetration when it is not there
Back during the 2011 draft, I really wanted the Warriors to grab that player. Instead, the Warriors grabbed Klay, in what was an inspired choice which cemented the foundation for 4 championships and a decade of dominance. The player I wanted, scouted above, was Kawhi Leonard, sophomore out of SDSU.
Is Rayan Rupert guaranteed or even likely to raise his ceiling like Kawhi did? Probably not. Chances are that he won't be a Hall-of-Fame player ... but the potential to become a solid long-term starter and maybe even an All-Star is there. I don't feel the same about Murray - his ceiling is much lower, though he might make a more immediate impact.
Whether we like it or not, the end of the Curry era is coming closer, and the Warriors need to start accumulating players that have the potential to carry torch beyond that.
In what is the acknowledged opposite of a win-now move, I'd go with Rupert at #7. He may be my favorite player in this tournament, though I'd probably still pick Lively and maybe Coulibaly above him, since they'd probably contribute earlier while still having significant upside potential.
Re: Rupert: "If a patient team gets their hands on Rupert..." Does that sound like the Warriors?
> After working out for the Hawks and Jazz, Ben Sheppard is now scheduled to work out for the Pelicans (#14) and Warriors (19), per source. There has been a boom of interest in Sheppard after his tremendous NBA combine. Has moved into the first round mix and rising.
https://twitter.com/NBADraftWass/status/1665107189487353856
I don't disagree with anything you said. Young players struggle. It is disappointing that he did not improve this year. And he had minutes with injury and GP2 gone.
I agree. They won't get help from draft unless they trade the pick packaged with a player or in free agent market.
I think that is fair in some ways. But when Steph gets a T for throwing his mouthpiece after Poole Jack's up a shot while he is wide open......you have to wonder what the team dynamic is.
So many folks turned so very, very sour on Poole this year. It was a frustrating year, but I suggest we all watch a little tape of last season.
Here's my favorite DubNation quote from last year to remind you of the vibe: Mr.BrachiatingApe posted "his arsenal of jukes and moves went from decent, yeah-that-kid's-got-promise levels to holy-sh*t-did-you-get-the-number-of-that-atomic-powered-robot-cheetah-that-just-vaporized-my-ankles level in a single off-season."
No one expected the severe regression, least of all Poole. But I still remember and have love for his meme faces, his shifty, nimble game, his Maine coon cats, and his distance ball.
As expected, Rockets are trying to raid Celtics entire assistant coaching staff (crazy that they hired Udoka but that's a different issue).
Also, Atkinson may have interviewed with the Raptors already.