Still seems like retirement doesn't it? I've never worked as an NBA GM or held an analyst job at ESPN but the latter sounds a lot less stressful and time-consuming.
The Merc says he played to a crowd-less Chase once in 2021? Opening night will (🤞) be his first time actually playing in front of a crowd at Chase though.
He sucked at Summer League but I guess they want to send a message to Santa Cruz guys that if they play well in the G-League (supposedly) they'll be rewarded.
a little bummed to see he just couldn't get his weight under control... I have to imagine that was/will be a limiting factor in him getting a shot with an NBA team.
I think a month ago someone mentioned bringing Anthony Lamb back on a two-way and I’ve been wondering about alternatives. I don’t know or watch enough basketball to believe this is a 'comprehensive list' or 'good list'… it’s just 'a list' of available players.
Does anyone above stand out to you? Is there anyone else you'd suggest? Happy to get opinions
Giles is the obvious one but I wouldn't mind Weatherspoon back. He knows the system and could provide us with solid depth in our "rest the vets" games. Lamb is a good option on the court too but that cloud hanging over his head for his off the court allegations probably isn't best for the team.
We have LQ (not so small), Podz, Chris Paul, Steph, Joseph. We're actually a pretty small team. I'd like to see wings/bigs in the two-ways and the 14th spot.
Thanks! I appreciate the kudos though I feel it's 'incomplete.' I reached the end of what I could figure out on my own so wanted more opinions to advance it further.
Question for the collective wisdom of DNHQ: Wasn't JMG supposed to be a stretch big in the OPJ/Bjeli mold? Did he not have the same creds as the other two and hopefully Dario or did he just underperform?
according to bbref we played him at the 5 70% of the time... I do recall him subbing in for Looney against the lakers in the playoffs. I think the problem is just that he sucks.
He actually shot decently well over the course of the whole season (38% from 3, .650 TS) but he was unavailable for a big chunk of the season due to injury and when he played he wasn't great on the defensive end and fouled a lot. Not a great playmaker either.
Yeah I don't care for him as a replacement as far as his quality either but whatever, glad the dude got a payday. I think they should have got Hrgovic to step in, he's already on the card and Joshua-Hrgovic could be fun
To me he just never got comfortable in our system. His decision making wasn't quick enough on both ends and IMO that's why Steve probably didn't trust him to be a staple in the rotation. JMG is a fine player that could still help a team. I just don't think our system is right for him to excel in.
B/C. I'm surprised how many low grades there are, guess I'm on the optimistic end here. But, the dude can't even buy a beer yet, and people are thinking he won't improve to the level of important starter. If he were on the rockets or even thunder, I think he'd already be an important starter for them.
Exactly. He'll probably be "D- Key reserve" this year (at age 21). I like his chances of improving enough to be a starter with six more years of growth.
One of the consequences of being in a relatively poor basketball environment as a teenager, and being in a high quality coaching environment now, is that he's going to be on the steep part of the growth curve later than most players coming out of AAU/college. We should see two to three more years of him coming back from summer with new tools.
All that is blocking him is his effort level, and I haven't seen anything that gives me pause on that.
I generally think that too, but is there evidence of a later/ longer performance improvement for players from less funded basketball programs vs. the AAU/ academy systems?
Player A: Drafted 7th overall, 6'8" PF/SF. Age 20 season: 70 games, 16.9 min/gm, 9.3 pts/gm on .597 TS%, -1.7 BPM. His team was eliminated from round 2 of the playoffs in 6 games.
Player B: Drafted 7th overall, 6'8" PF/SF. Age 20 season: 81 games, 25.4 min/gm, 9.2 pts/gm on .526 TS%, -1.7 BPM. His team was eliminated from round 2 of the playoffs in 6 games.
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Player A is Jonathan Kuminga this past season. Player B is good ol' Harrison Barnes in his rookie year with Golden State. He signed a max contract in his 5th year in the league, at age 24, and at age 27 was the most important starter on a pretty lackluster Kings team (31-41 in the pandemic-shortened '19-20 season).
I feel like Kuminga's upside is higher than Harry Barnes and his downside is not a lot worse unless something disastrous happens? So my guess is C+/B-, borderline all-star.
IMO I think JK is the ultimate boom or bust guy. I'll vote B but I honestly would not be shocked if it ends up at E. Long athletic wings that can defend multiple positions and can hit the occasional 3 will always have a place in this league so I don't think he'll be out of the league. I guess we'll see how his approach to the game grows with age.
How is he boom or bust if he's already decent lol with the right lineup around him he can stay at his current ability and be a decent/average to above average player
For those of you watching Foundation on Apple TV Plus (great show btw) we are like the Empire of PGs right now with Brother Dawn (Podz), Brother Day (Steph) and Brother Dusk (Chris Paul) and Cory Joseph (dont know his character equivalent though).
Does it do the books justice? My favorite book series to read in high school. That and Robot series. And pretty cool how Asimov tied the two back together in the last foundation book
Been debating whether watch it or not. I read mixed reviews.
Foundation's show is quite different from the books. The books, especially the first book, don't have a lot of character development, as they jump from century to century. The show makes up a lot of stuff whole cloth, but there are some significant carry-overs.
AppleTV+ trial is free, it is worth trying a few episodes and seeing along with Steph's Underrated doc:
Thatnks. I did do that. But haven't seen anything yet - for one, I am anti-Apple (refuse to follow the masses of iZoombies) but mainly, I will get sucked into binge watching multiple shows.
Yeah. It's like I don't even want to take a chance lest it messes up a fond part of teenage hood - scouring physical library for Asimov books and reading till 3 am in the night to my parents' dismay - "are you sleeping yet.." 🙂.
I did watch I, Robot and it was alright as a movie on its own but didn't do justice to it at all.
Is this another nepotistic move? Or did they scour the entire league and Nick Kerr was the obvious best candidate? I certainly hope its the second. If its the first I fear even the original "Wiseman should never have been the pick" crew are gonna be booing when G-League coach Nick Kerr sits players needing development because, like father like son, he doesn't trust rookies and young players.
I know. That's why even the people who thought Wiseman shouldn't be drafted would be up in arms about a coach acting like that. At least, I hope they would be. ;-)
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A key difference between Nick and Kirk/Kent is that a non-Warriors organization determined that Nick would be a valuable addition to their staff and hired him. The Warrior front office has had a lot of talent get poached over the past decade, we even recently saw ex-video coordinator Nick U'Ren leave to be the GM of the Mercury. But we have never seen even so much as a whisper of another organization being at all interested in "poaching" Kirk or Kent. That external stamp of legitimacy is important imo.
Plus Nick played college basketball so he has a basketball background. And his time with the Spurs makes me think that he's using this opportunity more like Aaron Miles did where he's not destined for a spot with the Warriors he may or may not deserve, he has a decent chance of ending up with another organization altogether.
I don’t think this particular argument against Kirk and Kent holds much merit. The older one worked in the NBA before Lacob bought the team, but after he did, it’s a clear conflict of interest for one of them to work for another team, and I doubt any team thinks they could poach them away anyways. Why would they try?
Agree that getting hired outside the org suggests someone is at least plausibly fit for the job (otoh I know of people with great resumes who didn't know how to do even a tenth of the responsibilities required with their title, sooooo).
That said, how often do children of the owner get poached and take jobs with other teams in the NBA? I'd assume they'd be harder to poach?
I thought that Kerr was actually the backup plan after SVG picked Detroit because he got GM control as well there and the Dubs weren't willing to give him that power. Guess the Dubs were due some good breaks, but getting Stan over Steve would have been very in line with the franchise's history, and the past decade would have been very different.
toward the end Klay reflecting on where he is at, sounds good - just wants to play hard, not so worried about accolades, says it was a mistake to give booker the 4 finger sign, etc. sounds like he is working hard.
Draymond's big issue is that there are very few people who can pull off a solo podcast and he's not one of them. He needs a cohost badly.
I do wonder how PG's podcast does once the season starts and he starts going on the road. Will his cohosts come with him? That might be why Draymond does it solo.
Yup, he's much better when he's conversing rather than lecturing. Like JZAlvarado pointed out, he's good on Inside The NBA. Or like you said, when he has a guest on his own podcast.
So the Athletic is reporting that Myers is nearing a deal wiyh ESPN to provide coverage on “NBA breakdown”. His retirement sure ended fast : https://theathletic.com/4767047/2023/08/11/bob-myers-espn-nba-warriors/?source=user_shared_article
Still seems like retirement doesn't it? I've never worked as an NBA GM or held an analyst job at ESPN but the latter sounds a lot less stressful and time-consuming.
Marcus Thompson does not say when he is likely to start but I assume this coming season
Congratulations to Dwayne Wade, newest member of the basketball hall of fame. Well-deserved.
https://www.nba.com/news/hof-announces-2023-enshrinement-ceremony-presenters
Fun fact, if he is healthy, opening night will be the first time KD plays at Chase, unless I really blanked out a game
The Merc says he played to a crowd-less Chase once in 2021? Opening night will (🤞) be his first time actually playing in front of a crowd at Chase though.
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1689766042459910144
The Golden State Warriors are signing the NBA G League’s top rebounder Jayce Johnson on a training camp Exhibit 10 deal, sources tell
@TheAthletic
Camp body.
He sucked at Summer League but I guess they want to send a message to Santa Cruz guys that if they play well in the G-League (supposedly) they'll be rewarded.
Im not sure if you watched Bogut much, but he’s one of the best rim protectors of the last 20 years.
He was one of those guys whose mere presence probably deterred shots even more than the blocks he earned, to my (admittedly hazy) recollection.
He averaged 1.7 blocks per game (2.6/36 mins) during his main tenure with us. Two seasons before he joined us he led the league with 2.6 blocks/gm.
https://twitter.com/ClutchPoints/status/1689759450205507587
Bob Myers is nearing a deal to join ESPN, per
@sportsrapport.
Now Steve and Bob both went from being GM straight to the booth.
Wth
Is it back to being in Connecticut or NY? Long way from home for the CA boy.
I saw this pop up randomly on my youtube feed and I know people have been asking about Omari Spellman recently so...
Omari Spellman is ready & excited to play in World Cup | JustReadingTV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxJueo0gxrE
a little bummed to see he just couldn't get his weight under control... I have to imagine that was/will be a limiting factor in him getting a shot with an NBA team.
OMG
They even show a missed dunk at 0:58
Since Larry Harris mentioned two-ways, here's some eligible players that are currently available:
Bigs:
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Harry-Giles/Summary/50939
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Mfiondu-Kabengele/Summary/107079
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Anthony-Lamb/Summary/87247
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Mamadi-Diakite/Summary/76392
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Jayce-Johnson/Summary/85635
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Vernon-Carey-Jr/Summary/107983
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Udoka-Azubuike/Summary/71574
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Tacko-Fall/Summary/83961
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Reggie-Perry/Summary/81695
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Olivier-Sarr/Summary/72293
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Chance-Comanche/Summary/54884
Wings:
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Gui-Santos/Summary/139404
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Lamar-Stevens/Summary/85596
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Michael-Foster-Jr/Summary/126844
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Kaiser-Gates/Summary/83994
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Warith-Alatishe/Summary/134621
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Paris-Bass/Summary/57257
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Feron-Hunt/Summary/132176
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Greg-Brown-III/Summary/117334
Guards:
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Lindy-Waters-III/Summary/89389
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/RJ-Hampton/Summary/117366
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Quinndary-Weatherspoon/Summary/83967
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Trevelin-Queen/Summary/128708
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Malcolm-Hill/Summary/56659
I think a month ago someone mentioned bringing Anthony Lamb back on a two-way and I’ve been wondering about alternatives. I don’t know or watch enough basketball to believe this is a 'comprehensive list' or 'good list'… it’s just 'a list' of available players.
Does anyone above stand out to you? Is there anyone else you'd suggest? Happy to get opinions
Azubuiki signed with the Suns a couple of days ago.
thanks, missed that one.
Giles is the obvious one but I wouldn't mind Weatherspoon back. He knows the system and could provide us with solid depth in our "rest the vets" games. Lamb is a good option on the court too but that cloud hanging over his head for his off the court allegations probably isn't best for the team.
Re: Weatherspoon
I don't think we need any more small guards.
We have LQ (not so small), Podz, Chris Paul, Steph, Joseph. We're actually a pretty small team. I'd like to see wings/bigs in the two-ways and the 14th spot.
Yeah, I like Giles and I was surprised when Weatherspoon lost his spot last year
Kudos for the effort to put this together. Hope EA turns it into an article.
FYI Perks is working on a two-way candidate article which should run soon.
Thanks! I appreciate the kudos though I feel it's 'incomplete.' I reached the end of what I could figure out on my own so wanted more opinions to advance it further.
Question for the collective wisdom of DNHQ: Wasn't JMG supposed to be a stretch big in the OPJ/Bjeli mold? Did he not have the same creds as the other two and hopefully Dario or did he just underperform?
No. JMg was strictly a 4. Not a small ball 5 but on this team heck in todays modern NBA hes now relegated to a small ball 5 except hes no good at it
according to bbref we played him at the 5 70% of the time... I do recall him subbing in for Looney against the lakers in the playoffs. I think the problem is just that he sucks.
He actually shot decently well over the course of the whole season (38% from 3, .650 TS) but he was unavailable for a big chunk of the season due to injury and when he played he wasn't great on the defensive end and fouled a lot. Not a great playmaker either.
Robert Helenius just fought last week lol
Yeah I don't care for him as a replacement as far as his quality either but whatever, glad the dude got a payday. I think they should have got Hrgovic to step in, he's already on the card and Joshua-Hrgovic could be fun
To me he just never got comfortable in our system. His decision making wasn't quick enough on both ends and IMO that's why Steve probably didn't trust him to be a staple in the rotation. JMG is a fine player that could still help a team. I just don't think our system is right for him to excel in.
Not nearly as good a passer or shooter as either of those guys. Not as tall as Bjelly. He was more physical than those guys.
Derrick Jones Jr signed with the mavericks
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1689400065234804736
https://dubnationhq.com/p/warriors-free-agency-2023
Survey! Vote now!
In 7 years at age 27, if healthy, and whether with the Warriors or not, Jonathan Kuminga will be:
A. MVP level
B. All-Star level
C. Important starter
D. Key reserve
E. Deep bench
F. Outta the league.
B/C. I'm surprised how many low grades there are, guess I'm on the optimistic end here. But, the dude can't even buy a beer yet, and people are thinking he won't improve to the level of important starter. If he were on the rockets or even thunder, I think he'd already be an important starter for them.
Well, let's check back in 7 years
Exactly. He'll probably be "D- Key reserve" this year (at age 21). I like his chances of improving enough to be a starter with six more years of growth.
One of the consequences of being in a relatively poor basketball environment as a teenager, and being in a high quality coaching environment now, is that he's going to be on the steep part of the growth curve later than most players coming out of AAU/college. We should see two to three more years of him coming back from summer with new tools.
All that is blocking him is his effort level, and I haven't seen anything that gives me pause on that.
I generally think that too, but is there evidence of a later/ longer performance improvement for players from less funded basketball programs vs. the AAU/ academy systems?
Interesting question, I don't know.
D
G. Traded to Charlotte, which is one step below F.
OK, not really.
C is miles the most likely, B is a significant possibility, I don't think the other options are realistic, barring some injury.
Probably C with B upside
This.
There also is the possibility of C- (solid starter but not particularly important).
Player A: Drafted 7th overall, 6'8" PF/SF. Age 20 season: 70 games, 16.9 min/gm, 9.3 pts/gm on .597 TS%, -1.7 BPM. His team was eliminated from round 2 of the playoffs in 6 games.
Player B: Drafted 7th overall, 6'8" PF/SF. Age 20 season: 81 games, 25.4 min/gm, 9.2 pts/gm on .526 TS%, -1.7 BPM. His team was eliminated from round 2 of the playoffs in 6 games.
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Player A is Jonathan Kuminga this past season. Player B is good ol' Harrison Barnes in his rookie year with Golden State. He signed a max contract in his 5th year in the league, at age 24, and at age 27 was the most important starter on a pretty lackluster Kings team (31-41 in the pandemic-shortened '19-20 season).
I feel like Kuminga's upside is higher than Harry Barnes and his downside is not a lot worse unless something disastrous happens? So my guess is C+/B-, borderline all-star.
Certainly a possibility, but I'm willing to bet the over on that. I've got faith this will be a good year for Jonny.
I'm with you on that.
IMO I think JK is the ultimate boom or bust guy. I'll vote B but I honestly would not be shocked if it ends up at E. Long athletic wings that can defend multiple positions and can hit the occasional 3 will always have a place in this league so I don't think he'll be out of the league. I guess we'll see how his approach to the game grows with age.
Wiseman was the ultimate. JK is at least guaranteed to be an NBA player...
How is he boom or bust if he's already decent lol with the right lineup around him he can stay at his current ability and be a decent/average to above average player
B but continually being snubbed.
lol classic him
E. With another ballclub
B
A
A. ~5%
B. ~20%
C. ~45%
D. ~20%
E. ~5%
F. ~5%
Ish…
70% chance that in 7 years Kuminga will be "important starter" or better seems super optimistic, but I like being optimistic so I'll take it!
Kind of forgot about Bazemore ditching us for the Lakers that one year and we won the championship. LOL.
His performance nosedived that season too. Probably a season he'd like to forget.
#haha
https://twitter.com/nba_pass/status/1689352273183256576
Klay confirmed over the mental block that prevented him from scrimmaging last summer (unless these pictures are fake).
Frank Kaminsky signing confirmed
For those of you watching Foundation on Apple TV Plus (great show btw) we are like the Empire of PGs right now with Brother Dawn (Podz), Brother Day (Steph) and Brother Dusk (Chris Paul) and Cory Joseph (dont know his character equivalent though).
Does it do the books justice? My favorite book series to read in high school. That and Robot series. And pretty cool how Asimov tied the two back together in the last foundation book
Been debating whether watch it or not. I read mixed reviews.
Foundation's show is quite different from the books. The books, especially the first book, don't have a lot of character development, as they jump from century to century. The show makes up a lot of stuff whole cloth, but there are some significant carry-overs.
AppleTV+ trial is free, it is worth trying a few episodes and seeing along with Steph's Underrated doc:
https://redeem.services.apple/stephencurry-amr-tv-2m-social-2023?rt=social&itscg=80121&itsct=UND_SC_social_2M_23
Thatnks. I did do that. But haven't seen anything yet - for one, I am anti-Apple (refuse to follow the masses of iZoombies) but mainly, I will get sucked into binge watching multiple shows.
Ted lasso is worth it
Ditto. I loved the books and I’m worried they’ll decimate it. Also, I couldn’t even watch the commercials for “I, Robot”. Just cringe worthy.
Yeah. It's like I don't even want to take a chance lest it messes up a fond part of teenage hood - scouring physical library for Asimov books and reading till 3 am in the night to my parents' dismay - "are you sleeping yet.." 🙂.
I did watch I, Robot and it was alright as a movie on its own but didn't do justice to it at all.
Me too!
I am listening to the the tie-in right now on audible so i cannot do a fair comparison yet. Hit me up In about 6 weeks lol.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/warriors/article/warriors-name-steve-kerr-s-son-head-coach-g-18287433.php
Nick Kerr new head coach of Sea Dubs. Now our "Kerr has no clue what he is doing" t shirts can work in Santa Cruz too!
Is this another nepotistic move? Or did they scour the entire league and Nick Kerr was the obvious best candidate? I certainly hope its the second. If its the first I fear even the original "Wiseman should never have been the pick" crew are gonna be booing when G-League coach Nick Kerr sits players needing development because, like father like son, he doesn't trust rookies and young players.
“Sits players needing development”
That is like the whole basis of the G League, even if Steve Kerr himself was coaching down there.
I know. That's why even the people who thought Wiseman shouldn't be drafted would be up in arms about a coach acting like that. At least, I hope they would be. ;-)
Do you know anything about Nick Kerr and his qualifications?
Nope. That's why I asked questions.
It's a pretty solid resume:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/nick-kerr-b0344b58/
A key difference between Nick and Kirk/Kent is that a non-Warriors organization determined that Nick would be a valuable addition to their staff and hired him. The Warrior front office has had a lot of talent get poached over the past decade, we even recently saw ex-video coordinator Nick U'Ren leave to be the GM of the Mercury. But we have never seen even so much as a whisper of another organization being at all interested in "poaching" Kirk or Kent. That external stamp of legitimacy is important imo.
Plus Nick played college basketball so he has a basketball background. And his time with the Spurs makes me think that he's using this opportunity more like Aaron Miles did where he's not destined for a spot with the Warriors he may or may not deserve, he has a decent chance of ending up with another organization altogether.
I don’t think this particular argument against Kirk and Kent holds much merit. The older one worked in the NBA before Lacob bought the team, but after he did, it’s a clear conflict of interest for one of them to work for another team, and I doubt any team thinks they could poach them away anyways. Why would they try?
Agree that getting hired outside the org suggests someone is at least plausibly fit for the job (otoh I know of people with great resumes who didn't know how to do even a tenth of the responsibilities required with their title, sooooo).
That said, how often do children of the owner get poached and take jobs with other teams in the NBA? I'd assume they'd be harder to poach?
Can't see linkedin but I'll take your word for it.
Pretty easy to create a free linkedin account
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Another YouTube that had me from the jump… Arenas talking about SVG.
We dodged such a bullet when Kerr came here instead of NY. SVG probably would have been the backup plan.
https://youtu.be/M9_V9_jVQmA
I thought that Kerr was actually the backup plan after SVG picked Detroit because he got GM control as well there and the Dubs weren't willing to give him that power. Guess the Dubs were due some good breaks, but getting Stan over Steve would have been very in line with the franchise's history, and the past decade would have been very different.
Yeah, that sounds more like what happened.
Not sure if this was posted... Klay on Paul George's show. Klay seems like such a chill guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEqFbQcB498&t=504s
I find PG way more entertaining than Draymond.
toward the end Klay reflecting on where he is at, sounds good - just wants to play hard, not so worried about accolades, says it was a mistake to give booker the 4 finger sign, etc. sounds like he is working hard.
Draymond's big issue is that there are very few people who can pull off a solo podcast and he's not one of them. He needs a cohost badly.
I do wonder how PG's podcast does once the season starts and he starts going on the road. Will his cohosts come with him? That might be why Draymond does it solo.
Dray’s first podcast attempt was co-hosted by Marcus Thompson, but that didn’t go far.
I think Dray is not bad when he’s with a guest. When it’s just him, he is a little prone to Jeff van Gundy-ish meandering rants.
Yup, he's much better when he's conversing rather than lecturing. Like JZAlvarado pointed out, he's good on Inside The NBA. Or like you said, when he has a guest on his own podcast.
What happened to Draymonds stint with Inside the NBA. I thought that format is way better suited for him
I presume he'll do that if/when the Dubs are eliminated in the playoffs. Maybe he'll do it a bit in season. The entire crew is on hiatus right now.