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Steve Kerr has lost my trust. I haven't seen a worse coaching job in years, from any level. The defense he employs in which our guards leave their man to defend the key thereby allowing opponents to shoot wide open 3s at will is one of the worst designed defenses I've ever seen in my life. And even when its clearly not working, he sticks with it. He benches players who are playing well, just because they are young, in favor of veterans who are playing horribly. He knew we had one of the smallest teams in the league and would have to go up against some very tall teams, and yet he decided to build a roster of 7 guards and 0 centers. He's treated our young talent as if they don't belong on the court, no matter how many positive attributes they bring to the table. It's really frustrating. I can't understand why Lacob and management allows for it. And where are the assistant coaches whispering in his ear the things he needs to hear during the game? Its as if he is oblivious to game flow and who is playing well and who isn't. I've never seen anything like it. It's coaching incompetence at the highest level.

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Daniel, come on brother. If the Warriors are as savvy a business, they would not be sitting on their hands, but rather be making bold moves to right the ship. Hard to believe Lacob is still running the show.

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This. I'm all for a move if it improves the team -- not just this year but for the next few years. If not, why trade the future for... nothing?

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I want the team to run with the young guys.

Back in the GSOM days, somebody (I wish I could remember who - maybe Eric?) came up with the phrase "weaponized joy," to describe how the Warriors played. Steph is at his best when he's playing happy.

The young guys play with enthusiasm and joy. Dray, Klay, and Wiggs have been playing with petulance, entitlement, or disinterest.

Give me Moody, Kuminga, GP2 (not young, but still), TJD. Let 'em run. It's not going to be perfect ... but it's not like we're winning a title the ways things are going now, either.

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It's a little like Nellieball. Doesn't make total sense, but it is entertaining...

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The Murray stuff is concerning because it indicates the team is looking for another iso Wiggins type when Kerr has identified the issue as they have too many guys who can’t read the game a step ahead and take advantage of Curry’s off ball skills, which makes Steph a Harden type player (that’s bad for those of you who are wondering.)

So if the Warriors really want to weaponize Steph for this contract, according to Kerr’s latest statements, they need smart guys who can bring back read and react game and set elevator screens and move to attack the defensive responses off ball, etc.

Caruso comes to mind. Are there any other targets that would help maximize the full arsenal of Steph on at least one side of the ball?

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The Warriors are in so much trouble.

They have nothing of value to trade.

Wiggins? Very little value.

Klay ?very little value

JK? Not getting you anyone that is a difference maker.

Moody? Might get you an old guy that can still play some.

Looney? No value

Green? little value

And the biggest problem is there are other teams looking to trade that have much better players and draft picks to trade up.

And the second biggest problem anyone they get has to fit with Steph.

They either need to hope for a miracle, Wiggins becoming playoff Wigs, Green playing his best basketball in years,Paul and Payton being healthy, and a few other very unlikely things or they go nuclear and blow it up completely which probably means trading Steph.

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What ever happens, I'm contented.

Practice gratitude people. ;)

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Jan 12·edited Jan 12

I don’t think being frustrated with the team’s current performance is incongruent with being grateful for all they’ve given us over the last decade.

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Can still practice gratitude, tho

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Spitballing here, but thinking about Shams’ “everyone except Steph is on the table tweet, which Kawasaki confirmed on 95.7, and Klay’s “not losing sleep” comments after the game. Perhaps Klay was told the same thing and has gone all into his feelings after previously thinking “They’d never trade me.” To take it a step further, maybe he thought “Steph would never let that happen.” and maybe he knows Steph hasn’t stepped in. That would probably affect Klay and his ego quite a bit, and affect Steph as well, and explain the malaise that we’ve seen the last couple of games.

If that’s the case, I’m not sure Dray returning will lift that cloud and only the passing of the trade deadline could. It might be a rough 13 games until there’s resolution.

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Afraid I must agree. Klay's current limitations on the court and the lack of self-awareness sure makes me glad he didn't take that deal while it was being offered. Can't really see him gracefully accepting a significantly reduced salary/playing role going forward, so we probably should at least explore the possibility of getting some "movie popcorn" now while we can. There are always teams that need shooting, and he still can do that in bursts.

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On the hand, keeping him and letting walk would go a long way toward getting them under the 2nd apron. That has to be on their mind.

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I hear you, especially if we decide to make a move that includes CP3 since using his expiring contract to get under the 2nd apron was an important part of the plan in trading for him. Worth at least exploring what Klay might bring if we are keeping Paul for the remainder of the season.

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You think teams are offering the Ws first rounders for Klay? That would surprise me, but hey, I'm ready to be surprised.

It's so sad. I love the guy. But he is not handling this chapter of his playing career very gracefully.

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For me, DRAY AND STEPH, are the CO-MVP COGS of the DYNASTY ERA, with a shoutout to ANDRE GLUE. When everyone sucketh it is hard in Dubs Ball for anyone-not-named-Steph to shine, especially without the main 2-way cog, Dray. Frankly, I am not alarmed. Kerr needs to go back to his main unit when Dray gets back, and, rookies, newbies, role players need go back to the rotational roles they were intended to play....does not preclude starts, as needed, for MATCHUPS/INJURIES. If Kerr does not do that, season is a loss. Experimentation chaos need END. If it does not work, need look at TRADE MACHINE...NEXT SEASON.

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Jan 12Liked by Daniel Hardee

Undaunted by the blizzard, freezing rain, and frozen tundra that is Chicago this morning, I will get to the game no matter what or who’s playing and will cheer the Dubs wearing my Klay shirt, undaunted by Bulls fans. Let’s Go Warriors!

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It’s a big night for HQer Janet,

Who’s willing to brave a wintery planet,

She’ll go by foot, cars and trains,

And if she complains,

We’ll just tell Janet to can it!

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You go Janet!

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Moses Josiah Moody age 20 –> age 21 (per 36 minutes)

Points: 13.3 –> 17.5

Rebounds: 4.6 –> 6.2

Steals 0.8 –> 1.4

FT% .698 –> .789

While maintaining his elite (for his age) scoring efficiency: .602 TS.

Basically everything you want to see from a player that young. Steph and Klay were still fairly crummy rookies at his age, and Dray was not even in the league yet. Throw in his elite length and high character, and all arrows point in the direction of a NBA starter level player at worst.

After Steph, he’s the guy I least hope we move at the deadline (or roughly tied with JK and Podz). Biggest benefit of moving Wiggs for whatever dryer lint we can get is freeing up a regular 20-25+ mpg for Moses. I’ll happily take Lonzo Ball…

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Jan 12·edited Jan 12

>>> After Steph, he’s the guy I least hope we move at the deadline (or roughly tied with JK and Podz).

Yep, TJD as well unless it brings another big.

To your larger point, Moody is becoming good Wiggins with a little more (edit: “less”) bounce and a much more of a motor.

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I'm not sure what you mean by bounce, but in the traditional sense, Moody has nowhere near the bounce of Wiggins. That's not a knock on Moody, but bounce is not really one of his strengths, unlike, say, JK, GP2, and TJD

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The more bounce was a mistype. I edited it.

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He's not nearly the defender Wiggins is, although that is often overlooked. I like him too, just sayin.

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Even if it’s not totally showing up on his 3FG% yet, I trust his shot 100x more than Wiggs’, too.

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Agree. Hurt now, but those rotational minutes are there for him, Kuminga, AND our plebe 5, under normal rotation expectations. Assuming PAUL stays mostly in a 2d unit cog role...

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OBSERVATION--Speaking of PAUL, he is -in my book- one of the, if not THE, premier point guards of the last 2 decades. Has extraordinary penetration skill, a killa mid-range, an effective-keep-spacing -honest-3pter, and, extraordinary interior passing skill. When he begins to penetrate, he causes havoc in defenses, particularly from the top of the key to the rim/INTERIOR. I thought it would be so great for our perimeter shooters, as a kickout pass from him to the perimeter is usually an open 3PT shot. What I have observed so far in his Warriors Ball ramp-up, is he has great recognition for Steph-kickouts, but is mostly-focused on his interior and half-court game. Saric does well, but, Klay seems to be lost, as are corner 3s. It is a great pace for the 2nd unit and it does well, particularly in 1/2 court game.

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From MT2's article on The Athletic:

“The burden that Steph Curry has on him for this franchise is unfair. … Draymond is the vocal leader of the team, obviously. He and Steph have kind of been co-captaining the leadership with our group for a decade. So without Draymond here, that adds a lot more to Steph’s plate. We’re trying to integrate a lot of young players. Steph has a very unique style. It’s the play after the play that matters with Steph. And we’ve put him in some combinations where the play after the play isn’t happening. And that’s frustrating for him."

Kerr is clearly lying. Steph and young players can take us to the promised land - right?

He just hates young players.

/s

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That's 4 big paragraphs that you copied and pasted from a paywall to here. Seems like you're pushing the boundaries of fair use, and could be getting this site in trouble.

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It's been edited, but I'd agree that quoting a substantial amount of the article is in general not fair to the content creator even aside from legality. What is there now is just a public quote and is of course fine.

For future use, I'd urge anyone to pull a short meaningful/juicy bit and then link to the article for more, as that helps promote the originating site.

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Is there a rule about this?

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I'm not an Admin, but I'm pretty sure there are limits on what amount of sharing is allowed. There is quoting and analyzing, and then there's copying the majority of an article..

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Thnx

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Not trying to get anyone in trouble, just want to keep DNHQ going.

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Jan 12·edited Jan 12

I like that...We need keep it ALL going....and the DYNASTY...package deal...Frankly, anyone booing this team would be sent to Dr. Kutchuorpekerof in the fandom world I come from....lol

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Again - all lies. Just run PnR:

"Kerr said Curry is most effective when he can thrive on and off the ball. Other superstars, Kerr named James Harden and Luka Dončić, get all they can eat at The High-Pick-and-Roll Buffet. But Kerr contends, as he has for a decade, that isn’t the ideal offense for Curry. The Warriors’ offense is built on him fluidly transitioning from on ball to off ball, often in the same possession."

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Kerr - "That requires a chemistry between him and the other options. It also requires specific skills from the supporting cast. It requires someone who can run the show while he’s off the ball. It requires shooters. It requires someone who can cut and finish at the rim, taking advantage of the openings created by Curry’s gravity.

“Frankly,” Kerr said, “we’ve had some combinations out there that don’t recognize that as well as certain combinations. So when you mix in that and some of the other guys struggling, whatever, and the occasional turmoil, that’s a lot. This guy has carried our torch for over a decade and everything we built is based on him. So we’re putting too much on his plate right now.”

Kerr - can you just admit you don't like JK and Moody

Dude needs to go.

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Kerr's right, which is why when Draymond comes back, I think the original starting five of Steph, Klay, Wiggs, Dray, and Loon should get another chance. Let the young guys come on from the bench with Dray to guide them (or CP3 when he comes back like the start of the season). Closing lineup should be based on who has been performing well that game though.

Having said that, I can already see the pitchforks coming out when one of Kuminga's or TJD's minutes start getting cut while Draymond plays 30+ minutes a night and Wiggs continues his 20+ minutes of struggles.

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The team should bail on making the playoffs this year to give Wiggins the start for what reason?

His epic work ethic? His incredible motor? The way he makes teammates better?

At what point does thinking Wiggins will be anything other than what he has been for most of his career in search of a return to that one special run become more of a religious pilgrimage to the past than have any hope of reality?

Kerr being lost in that pilgrimage is really costing the team in the present.

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What Kerr says is spot on. And it worked great when Dray was helping run the offense, often from the high post; Klay was shooting lights out; both Klay and Dray were stifling defenders; and Igoudala came off the bench to help lock down on defense and move the ball on offense. Add, say, Bogut to protect the rim, rebound, and also help distribute, and it fit Steph perfectly. But it ain't like that anymore.

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And then he plays guys like Wiggins who never set up Curry and he wonders why it doesn’t work.

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Agree. Could easily be again, though, as the beginning of this season is really a horrible sample due to injuries, suspensions, ramp-ups for rookies/newbies,etc. The way other teams in the league are going, it is only via VERY GOOD DUBS BALL we may win again with CURRENT roster BECAUSE ''we too small, ERNIE''.

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Just for fun. Took a look at ESPN’s real time win chance for every Warriors loss. The first thing that jumped out is that you should never use it for betting purposes because you will lose your house.

But let’s pretend it has some value/relationship with reality. Those people who have declared that the roster has no chance of winning a championship are ignoring ESPN’s own predictors that they refer to on sports center quite often in game recaps. Here are some ESPN expected win % snapshots for the Warriors in the second half of their 20 losses:

Warriors 2024

1. 85.3% @ 11:42 4th Phx

2. Never Cle

3. 69.3% 11:38 4th Den

4. 56.1% 10s 3rd Cle

5. 56% 11:49 3rd Min

6. 60.9% 2:05 4th/ 90.8 3:42 3rd Min

7. 51% 2:46 3rd Okc

8. 94.2% 3.0 4th Okc

9. Never Phx

10. 89.3% 50.1s 4th Sac 96% 6:00 3rd

11. 85.8% 38s 4th 95% in 3rd Lac

12. 82.6% 19.0 4th Okc

13. 70% 1:10 3rd phx

14. Never Lac

15. 51% 3:56 4th Den

16. Never Mia

17. Never Dal

18. 99.6% 6:31 4th Den

19. Never Tor

20. Never NO

They were expected to win in the 4th quarter of 9 of those losses. They were virtual locks in 4 of the losses with seconds left in the 4th. And a heavy favorite in 2 more deep into the 4th.

3 times in the last moments of the third they were expected to win.

Overall they lost 13 games that espn’s real time expectations had them winning in the second half.

Losses 10-12 seem to have been a key turning point in the season and loss 18 finally led to public dissent in the locker room.

This team needs to realize they were expected to beat all the good teams in the west by ridiculous %’s deep into games and DNHQ’s resident relentless optimist is perfectly justified and supported by the espn live win %’s.

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This is an interesting So MJD’s job is to figure how much of that is just fluky bad luck and/or can be fixed by doing something simple like removing Wiggins from the rotation vs. them simply not being good enough and needing help.

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Maybe Harden was speaking prophetically when he uttered those infamous words? But I've been riding with the warriors since '91 and it continues to be a fun, sometimes unpredictable, but often entertaining journey.

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The answer is both - go to sleep and I am still riding with the OGs

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It’s a trap! Be careful everyone!

I’ve deduced what’s going on. The point of this article is to separate the fair weather fans from the true believers. Your survey responses and your posts will be analyzed by the proprietary algorithm and if found wanting, you will summmarily be booted from the site.

Me? I LOVE the Warriors. I ALWAYS will. I DEEPLY LOVE what they’ve done this year. I think Kerr is a GENIUS for benching Moody. I think Wiggins is JUST WARMING UP! I found some interesting lessons to learn in the previous game! I think Klay looks YOUNGER THAN EVER. I am predicting not only a championship, but SIX STRAIGHT in which Brandon Podzji — Podziji — Podzjaz — oh forget it— wins FOUR finals MVPs.

Warrrriiooorrrrzss!!!!

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I would like the copium you have. What's you taking? Must be whatever kuminga has cause he hasn't complained for I think a week. Must be the good stuff!

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Go to bed man. No shot with this team. Hopefully, we at least make the play-in or the playoffs. Personally, I think we can make the play-in. Can we win the play-in game? Probably not, but at least we made an effort to even get there. Title? No way man. Long time from the 22 playoffs man. Hopefully those dreams come true in 2025.

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Jan 12·edited Jan 12

The elitist mindset of the Warriors reminds me so much of the elitist mindset of our government and the slow demise of believable leadership and tactics for making either America or the Warriors great again.

The body language of both Klay and Curry in answering questions is telling. Steph, being the more honest in his responses, looks genuinely depressed about it all. Personally, I can't see a way out of this without a change in both the players and coaching staff. Lacob has some hard decisions to make and I think he may be at the point of actually being ready to make them.

I wanted to add that I've gotten off this train weeks ago. I still watch but I am less caring if they win or lose as I feel they are going nowhere, like pedalling on a stationary bike.

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Jan 12·edited Jan 12

Juat say exactly what you mean about politics. Slipping in the "great again" makes it pretty clear what you mean.

Well, let's just roll with MWGA.

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I did, but I fear you did not understand.

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