I'm a hell yes--before I read you are, Eric--because I've wanted Giannis (as maybe most like-minded fans) since that alley-oop with Steph at ASW. That was *seven* years ago. Is it too late?
For Warriors where they are now… I see no reason to go all out for this season.
Jimmy Butler injury and Jonathan Kuminga non-playing have made the likelihood of a deep playoff run remote. Any trades or roster moves would be for future years.
NBA Championships are not easy nor won on paper. Injuries happen, a team’s hopes and fan’s dreams are often an unfortunate consequence of that. The Celtics looked poised for a repeat. The Pacers were on the verge last season. Lakers and Mavericks made trades they were hopeful would boost their chances. Clippers, Knicks, Rockets, and Sixers keep making adjustments and searching.
Having always enjoyed watching a team from preseason and seeing how they perform into the regular season I am happy to do so now. I also always enjoy following draft choices and watching to see how/if they develop into players that can help the team.
At this point of our 2025/26 Warriors’ season, I would much prefer keeping as much of the current roster as possible into 2026/2, with the additional help from this year’s draft and keep most future draft picks for future use.
Mrs. Goofus said she was listening to something where it was suggested that Draymond could get traded, opted out and re-join the team in the offseason. I was thinking that there’s a one-year rule or something that prohibits those kind of shenanigans. Am I imagining that or could that happen? (Assuming he comes back at the MLE or min.)
Isn't that pretty much what happened with Melton? We traded him part way through last year and he came back to us this season. I think a free agent is free to sign wherever he can find a taker. Could be wrong though.
The Warriors or Timberwolves didn’t have any counter offers from the Bucks as of yesterday, per
@sam_amick
“The Warriors came out the gate real strong going after Giannis. It feels very much like the Bucks essentially took their offer and have been shopping it to everyone else. Late yesterday, Warriors had no counter offer from the Bucks and waiting for clarity. That was also the case for Minnesota. People are studying the way the Bucks are moving they aren’t really going back and forth”
Looks like the Bucks are saying they'll take this to the summer to get teams to give up everything but I feel like we've already offered everything we possibly could. I really hope we don't further embarrass ourselves by continuing this pursuit into the summer where I doubt our best trade package can even compete.
I understand where the Bucks are coming from as well. If you're trading the best player to ever put on your uniform of course you're going to want a king's ransom back. Getting offered players like Kuminga, Herro or Ware plus picks must be insulting. You're expecting at least a Jalen Johnson level of player as the star of the show.
Kareem says hello. He was better with the Bucks than Giannis, and it's not close. And they traded him for a bag of peanuts, a worse trade than the Luka for AD deal.
Kareem was a Buck for six seasons — not a short time by NBA standards. And he was better than Giannis at both ends of the floor. As I said earlier, I don't think it's close. Kareem won 3 MVPs and finished 2nd twice and 5th the last year (he was hurt for part of it). NBA 2nd team as a rookie (and ROY), then 4 straight NBA 1st teams. 2x NBA All-Defense 1st team, 2x 2nd team. And of course 6 All Star appearances and a championship. All with the Bucks.
I've been a Kareem fan since Power Memorial HS came down to D.C. (near where I grew up in Maryland) to play DeMatha HS, if memory serves. He was incredible in high school.
Maybe it's just me being AttilaTheHun, notorious butthead, but I have a philosophy that, with rare exceptions — and they do exist — there's usually not one GOAT. I see tiers of greats. There's a very top tier, a crème de la crème, and which is the GOAT within that group depends on your viewpoint, especially across eras. With the NBA, I can see MJ, Kareem, LeBron, and Wilt. I would understand if you included Russell.
Steph is fantastic but taken as a whole, I don't think he's quite in that very top group, though it's a fine line. I realize that's blasphemy at DNHQ, and I'm a huge Steph fan like everyone else here, but his defense isn't up to that top group. I put him in the next group with Bird, Oscar Robertson, KD, Shaq, maybe Mikan (before my time), we could add a couple more. Some would say Kobe; I understand but have reservations. I would not say Steph is better than the Big O, who was a two-way beast, having seen a fair amount of both. But damn, if you're in the same level with Big O, Bird, etc., you're an all-time beast.
I am an Elgin Baylor, Dr J, and Garnett fan. Maybe they're in the third tier — but then, maybe they make the second tier. It's all subjective really.
I can see why they’d wait, but it’s also a gamble with the extension and the risk of injury EA mentioned, but as Timpf pointed out, it’s kind of insulting to Giannis to leave him hanging and to deny him a chance at a postseason with his new team.
I get that trades are easier to construct with Jimmy, but there's enough chatter about Draymond being included instead and that really changes the player packages, yet I haven't seen many proposed trades that involve Green, so tried to put together a couple for a baseline while also accounting for the fact that roster requirements likely rule out things like 5 for 1 trades and the Ws effectively can't take on additional salary this season. While GSW has gotten credit for being able to complete a trade without requiring additional teams that doesn't mean others wouldn't ultimately get involved to optimize the trade, which is hard to speculate about, so these are straight up.
I'm not speculating on picks, but I think we all understand most if not all would be attached. And then cheap guys like Will Richard could easily be sprinkled on top, perhaps with a MIL back bencher coming back for salary matching or roster compliance purposes. I generally leaned towards MIL including low value filler (Prince had season ending surgery and has an above minimum player option while Gary Harris has a similar contract but hasn't undergone surgery so I chose Prince in that scenario, Thanasis and Coffey are the oldest of their minimum salary players and don't play much so they were included to facilitate roster size compliance, but MIL could also cut multiple excess players for compliance.)
1. Giannis + Filler
GSW: Green, Kuminga, Moody + Picks
MIL: Giannis, Thanasis, Prince
2. Giannis + Portis (Turner and Kuzma are hard to include without Butler and cheaper players who wouldn't be filler like Rollins are probably viewed as assets worth keeping by MIL)
Can't help it. I see only injuries and limited play in Giannis' (and JK's) future, and degradation of the team by losing draft picks and young players. Think Clippers giving up a zillion picks and SGA for Paul George bad. I'm a "no" on saviors.
OTOH, I was completely wrong about Jimmy Butler - at least until he got injured. I was completely right on not trying for Bradley Beal. I probably would have worried about trading for Doncic, too.
In other words, I'm old fashioned & like to go with the team I start the season with. Hmmm, maybe too old fashioned.
I don’t know why people keep insisting on ignoring that the Clippers got PG because it was part of securing Kawhi. This wasn’t a trade done in a vacuum. Doesn’t make it good but context matters.
Don't know about others, but I know that was the Clippers' thinking. But I thought BOTH were likely to be injured a lot and I ALWAYS prefer the unknown draft pick ("possibility") over the known, top player with injury (or other) issues.
Relying on the unknown draft pick is a risky strategy too. When you have a lot of high picks, like OKC does, you can afford to whiff on half of them or even more, and the remainder who become stars pay for all. But it's a crapshoot. We're not the only team to whiff on a #2 pick (JW) or a #3 (Chris Washburn) or choose an overrated #1 (Joe Smith was solid but not THAT great).
I see that PG comparison being bandied about and while i understand the general sentiment, Paul George has never been an ultra level superstar. He was simply the next iteration after 2019 where the general sentiment was that you needed a superstar anchored together with an all star and some complementary role players to win it all.
Furthermore, we have no one on our roster that compares to SGA back when the trade was made. Perhaps not Top Three level talent but SGA was already showing all the makings of a top tier level starter before that trade was made
So again when healthy Giannis is a Top 3 player in this league and our pieces don’t amount to the potential SGA was showing. You make this trade everyday and twice on Sunday. There is no one outside of Curry the Bucks could ask for that would tip this trade to an egregious imbalance.
I have never been a gambler. I find it hard to put money down with so many variables beyond my control. Eager for it to be over.
These are not just players, they are people and there's something unsavory, as Kerr has said bluntly, about the whole trade issue. Yes it is big business and they are treated as commodities. However, they aren't widgets and they aren't strictly interchangeable. Personalities, injuries, skills, BBIQ, age---it ALL matters.
And the organization itself and how it treats players as people matters. So I can't wait for it all to be over and then as a fan, we get to deal with the consequences, or lack thereof.
Bottom line. Players are not interchangeable. I will give the front office credit for finding good matches and players like Will Richard. And sadly we have had to trade too many of them looking for that 5th ring...
OTOH, for Podz it might be an early Christmas present to get traded to his hometown team with a far more clear path to proving he’s worth a big extension.
Giannis if he came to GS would be the 3rd best player to ever don the jersey behind Steph and Wilt. You just don't pass up getting those type of guys. And we aren't the Lakers where 7 of the top 15 players ever somehow wore the jersey. We've had 1 in my lifetime. The single most fun one.
That said, it seems like Miami is gaining a lot of traction among the public. And I just don't see it. If Milwaukee was going to take an offer from them, they should wait until the off-season and the picks double. And the young talent is just not good in my opinion. If Giannis is traded to them, it's not just frustrating from a fandom perspective, it's frustrating from a talent evaluation perspective and that would make me even madder.
I'll go along with better than Barry. But geez Barry was awfully good.
As for Wilt, man, if you saw Wilt (and you may well have) you might rethink that. Nobody, not even Shaq, was ever more dominant than Wilt. I would be tempted to put Wilt above Steph if it weren't for the rings, but different eras.
My bet is on Lacob trying to hold onto some assets, with Milwaukee is trying to make it seem like there are other suitors. I, too, don't really see it... other than Giannis seems to have mentioned NY & MIA as his preferred destinations in the past.
That massively diminishes their value. Each one is a lottery ticket, but if you take away the possibility of getting the three best lottery outcomes, the value becomes way less. I think MIL might hang up if we tried that. Unless they recently hired Nico...
Fantastic framework for cutting through homer bias. The masochism test basically forces you to price in the emotional premium, which is where most overpays happen. I've seenthis play out with prospect hoarding where teams hold till value craters.
I've been trying to put myself in the shoes of the Bucks GM and look at the potential offers from the four known contenders for Giannis right now - Warriors, Heat, Knicks, T-Wolves. Obviously there could be a dark horse - the Thunder could throw J-Dub or Chet and a million picks at them or the Rockets could offer Sengun/Jabari/whatever or the Blazers offer Avdija and the Bucks' own picks - but for the purposes of this thought exercise, let's say that won't happen.
Warriors - 4 firsts, 1 swap, plus JK, and a couple of the other young guys Podz/Moody/Richard. And either Butler and get back a bad contract (Kuzma, Turner, Portis?) or Draymond and hope to flip for another pick or whatever.
Wolves - Does Milwaukee want Randle? I doubt it. They also can't trade a 1st round pick. So they have to try to deal McDaniels for picks, but what's his trade value? He's got 3 yrs and like 80 million left on his deal. Anyway, maybe he nets 2 picks? That honestly feels like a stretch.
Knicks - They can trade KAT, Bridges, McBride, etc but they only have 1 first that is VERY unlikely to convey (2026 top-8 protected Wizards). So they'd have to bring in a 3rd team (or 4th team) and get that 3rd team to give picks that they can then reroute to Milwaukee. Is there a conceivable package that beats the Warriors' one? I guess, but it's complicated, assuming Milwaukee doesn't want KAT or Bridges (I wouldn't in their situation).
Heat - Herro, Ware, Rozier, 2 firsts, 1 swap - maybe I'm too low on Herro, but the Warriors package is WAY better. 2 extra firsts and I'd rather have JK, Podz, and Richard than Herro & Ware.
I honestly think the Warriors can offer the best package of these 4 teams right now. Maybe the Bucks are better off waiting for the offseason. Maybe a dark horse swoops in. Who knows. I'll keep my fingers crossed.
Very early poll results are strongly in favor of the trade. Interesting… I’d roughly guess comments have been running around 5 to 1 against a Giannis trade, including that specific trade. Or maybe that only says something about the kind of people who are voting in a DNHQ poll in its first hour at 9pm of a non-game night… :)
1. If we remove TwoRing’s comments, the 5-to-1 against becomes 2-to-1 in favor. :P
2. A lot of the negative reactions I saw were responding to a similar trade but with Moody going instead of Richard. I really like both, but think Moody’s size, shooting and having established himself as a starter (or at least heavy rotation guy) makes him more indispensable. I’m more comfortable with this version where we keep My Man Moses Moody.
Any trade where we get Giannis and get to keep Moody is about the best we can hope for. Refusing to take a shot with Curry towards the end of his career feels rude; the greatest loss with be the chances to debate first round picks each offseason until my kids are in high school. But worth it to see what Curry and Giannis can do together, assuming we don't get bad injury luck.
I voted plain ol’ “Yes” because I agree it’s better than whatever plan A was gonna be but I’m pretty (Greek) freaked about a Giannis and/or Steph injury leading to unwatchable basketball and no picks until your kids are in high school.
I'm a hell yes--before I read you are, Eric--because I've wanted Giannis (as maybe most like-minded fans) since that alley-oop with Steph at ASW. That was *seven* years ago. Is it too late?
(Is it all too little, too late for us all?)
For Warriors where they are now… I see no reason to go all out for this season.
Jimmy Butler injury and Jonathan Kuminga non-playing have made the likelihood of a deep playoff run remote. Any trades or roster moves would be for future years.
NBA Championships are not easy nor won on paper. Injuries happen, a team’s hopes and fan’s dreams are often an unfortunate consequence of that. The Celtics looked poised for a repeat. The Pacers were on the verge last season. Lakers and Mavericks made trades they were hopeful would boost their chances. Clippers, Knicks, Rockets, and Sixers keep making adjustments and searching.
Having always enjoyed watching a team from preseason and seeing how they perform into the regular season I am happy to do so now. I also always enjoy following draft choices and watching to see how/if they develop into players that can help the team.
At this point of our 2025/26 Warriors’ season, I would much prefer keeping as much of the current roster as possible into 2026/2, with the additional help from this year’s draft and keep most future draft picks for future use.
Mrs. Goofus said she was listening to something where it was suggested that Draymond could get traded, opted out and re-join the team in the offseason. I was thinking that there’s a one-year rule or something that prohibits those kind of shenanigans. Am I imagining that or could that happen? (Assuming he comes back at the MLE or min.)
Isn't that pretty much what happened with Melton? We traded him part way through last year and he came back to us this season. I think a free agent is free to sign wherever he can find a taker. Could be wrong though.
The Warriors or Timberwolves didn’t have any counter offers from the Bucks as of yesterday, per
@sam_amick
“The Warriors came out the gate real strong going after Giannis. It feels very much like the Bucks essentially took their offer and have been shopping it to everyone else. Late yesterday, Warriors had no counter offer from the Bucks and waiting for clarity. That was also the case for Minnesota. People are studying the way the Bucks are moving they aren’t really going back and forth”
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Looks like the Bucks are saying they'll take this to the summer to get teams to give up everything but I feel like we've already offered everything we possibly could. I really hope we don't further embarrass ourselves by continuing this pursuit into the summer where I doubt our best trade package can even compete.
I understand where the Bucks are coming from as well. If you're trading the best player to ever put on your uniform of course you're going to want a king's ransom back. Getting offered players like Kuminga, Herro or Ware plus picks must be insulting. You're expecting at least a Jalen Johnson level of player as the star of the show.
Kareem says hello. He was better with the Bucks than Giannis, and it's not close. And they traded him for a bag of peanuts, a worse trade than the Luka for AD deal.
Kareem was the better player in his short(er) time with the franchise but I think Giannis is their franchise GOAT IMO
Kareem was a Buck for six seasons — not a short time by NBA standards. And he was better than Giannis at both ends of the floor. As I said earlier, I don't think it's close. Kareem won 3 MVPs and finished 2nd twice and 5th the last year (he was hurt for part of it). NBA 2nd team as a rookie (and ROY), then 4 straight NBA 1st teams. 2x NBA All-Defense 1st team, 2x 2nd team. And of course 6 All Star appearances and a championship. All with the Bucks.
People really undervalue Kareem… he’s arguably third in the GOAT conversation. Yeah some of that was with LA much of it was with the Bucks.
I've been a Kareem fan since Power Memorial HS came down to D.C. (near where I grew up in Maryland) to play DeMatha HS, if memory serves. He was incredible in high school.
Maybe it's just me being AttilaTheHun, notorious butthead, but I have a philosophy that, with rare exceptions — and they do exist — there's usually not one GOAT. I see tiers of greats. There's a very top tier, a crème de la crème, and which is the GOAT within that group depends on your viewpoint, especially across eras. With the NBA, I can see MJ, Kareem, LeBron, and Wilt. I would understand if you included Russell.
Steph is fantastic but taken as a whole, I don't think he's quite in that very top group, though it's a fine line. I realize that's blasphemy at DNHQ, and I'm a huge Steph fan like everyone else here, but his defense isn't up to that top group. I put him in the next group with Bird, Oscar Robertson, KD, Shaq, maybe Mikan (before my time), we could add a couple more. Some would say Kobe; I understand but have reservations. I would not say Steph is better than the Big O, who was a two-way beast, having seen a fair amount of both. But damn, if you're in the same level with Big O, Bird, etc., you're an all-time beast.
I am an Elgin Baylor, Dr J, and Garnett fan. Maybe they're in the third tier — but then, maybe they make the second tier. It's all subjective really.
I can see why they’d wait, but it’s also a gamble with the extension and the risk of injury EA mentioned, but as Timpf pointed out, it’s kind of insulting to Giannis to leave him hanging and to deny him a chance at a postseason with his new team.
I get that trades are easier to construct with Jimmy, but there's enough chatter about Draymond being included instead and that really changes the player packages, yet I haven't seen many proposed trades that involve Green, so tried to put together a couple for a baseline while also accounting for the fact that roster requirements likely rule out things like 5 for 1 trades and the Ws effectively can't take on additional salary this season. While GSW has gotten credit for being able to complete a trade without requiring additional teams that doesn't mean others wouldn't ultimately get involved to optimize the trade, which is hard to speculate about, so these are straight up.
I'm not speculating on picks, but I think we all understand most if not all would be attached. And then cheap guys like Will Richard could easily be sprinkled on top, perhaps with a MIL back bencher coming back for salary matching or roster compliance purposes. I generally leaned towards MIL including low value filler (Prince had season ending surgery and has an above minimum player option while Gary Harris has a similar contract but hasn't undergone surgery so I chose Prince in that scenario, Thanasis and Coffey are the oldest of their minimum salary players and don't play much so they were included to facilitate roster size compliance, but MIL could also cut multiple excess players for compliance.)
1. Giannis + Filler
GSW: Green, Kuminga, Moody + Picks
MIL: Giannis, Thanasis, Prince
2. Giannis + Portis (Turner and Kuzma are hard to include without Butler and cheaper players who wouldn't be filler like Rollins are probably viewed as assets worth keeping by MIL)
GSW: Green, Kuminga, Moody, Hield, Podziemski + Picks
MIL: Giannis, Portis, Thanasis, Coffey
"arc of his professional story."
"facing the same sort of criticism Houston Rockets star Kevin Durant received."
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/25385314-why-giannis-reportedly-isnt-eager-warriors-trade-amid-latest-nba-rumors?fbclid=IwY2xjawPvB9xleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFEZmt4VEdYZjIyYmc3TkhDc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHtrkbbZzSi-WI8L0zvnH_5bhunccsye0V07uJngrQK6rD6H4612hza199_I6_aem_XrF0DWFrmTM9bMUzu43OtQ
I just can't get past trading Kuminga for Kuzminga.
Can't help it. I see only injuries and limited play in Giannis' (and JK's) future, and degradation of the team by losing draft picks and young players. Think Clippers giving up a zillion picks and SGA for Paul George bad. I'm a "no" on saviors.
OTOH, I was completely wrong about Jimmy Butler - at least until he got injured. I was completely right on not trying for Bradley Beal. I probably would have worried about trading for Doncic, too.
In other words, I'm old fashioned & like to go with the team I start the season with. Hmmm, maybe too old fashioned.
I don’t know why people keep insisting on ignoring that the Clippers got PG because it was part of securing Kawhi. This wasn’t a trade done in a vacuum. Doesn’t make it good but context matters.
Don't know about others, but I know that was the Clippers' thinking. But I thought BOTH were likely to be injured a lot and I ALWAYS prefer the unknown draft pick ("possibility") over the known, top player with injury (or other) issues.
Relying on the unknown draft pick is a risky strategy too. When you have a lot of high picks, like OKC does, you can afford to whiff on half of them or even more, and the remainder who become stars pay for all. But it's a crapshoot. We're not the only team to whiff on a #2 pick (JW) or a #3 (Chris Washburn) or choose an overrated #1 (Joe Smith was solid but not THAT great).
I see that PG comparison being bandied about and while i understand the general sentiment, Paul George has never been an ultra level superstar. He was simply the next iteration after 2019 where the general sentiment was that you needed a superstar anchored together with an all star and some complementary role players to win it all.
Furthermore, we have no one on our roster that compares to SGA back when the trade was made. Perhaps not Top Three level talent but SGA was already showing all the makings of a top tier level starter before that trade was made
So again when healthy Giannis is a Top 3 player in this league and our pieces don’t amount to the potential SGA was showing. You make this trade everyday and twice on Sunday. There is no one outside of Curry the Bucks could ask for that would tip this trade to an egregious imbalance.
Excellent analysis. I guess I'd want some clear-eyed forecasts on Giannis' injury potential before making that trade "everyday and twice on Sunday."
I have never been a gambler. I find it hard to put money down with so many variables beyond my control. Eager for it to be over.
These are not just players, they are people and there's something unsavory, as Kerr has said bluntly, about the whole trade issue. Yes it is big business and they are treated as commodities. However, they aren't widgets and they aren't strictly interchangeable. Personalities, injuries, skills, BBIQ, age---it ALL matters.
And the organization itself and how it treats players as people matters. So I can't wait for it all to be over and then as a fan, we get to deal with the consequences, or lack thereof.
Bottom line. Players are not interchangeable. I will give the front office credit for finding good matches and players like Will Richard. And sadly we have had to trade too many of them looking for that 5th ring...
OTOH, for Podz it might be an early Christmas present to get traded to his hometown team with a far more clear path to proving he’s worth a big extension.
Giannis if he came to GS would be the 3rd best player to ever don the jersey behind Steph and Wilt. You just don't pass up getting those type of guys. And we aren't the Lakers where 7 of the top 15 players ever somehow wore the jersey. We've had 1 in my lifetime. The single most fun one.
That said, it seems like Miami is gaining a lot of traction among the public. And I just don't see it. If Milwaukee was going to take an offer from them, they should wait until the off-season and the picks double. And the young talent is just not good in my opinion. If Giannis is traded to them, it's not just frustrating from a fandom perspective, it's frustrating from a talent evaluation perspective and that would make me even madder.
Rick Barry says hello. Being a jerk, he doesn't say it in a nice way. (Yes, debatable. But still.)
KD says hello as well (and has a better case than Barry, imo). But the overall point stands.
Edit: I’d argue KD has a strong case for #2 as well (ahead of Wilt).
I'll go along with better than Barry. But geez Barry was awfully good.
As for Wilt, man, if you saw Wilt (and you may well have) you might rethink that. Nobody, not even Shaq, was ever more dominant than Wilt. I would be tempted to put Wilt above Steph if it weren't for the rings, but different eras.
Agree definitely a better case than Barry.
Also wanna see the full top 15 of OP
My bet is on Lacob trying to hold onto some assets, with Milwaukee is trying to make it seem like there are other suitors. I, too, don't really see it... other than Giannis seems to have mentioned NY & MIA as his preferred destinations in the past.
I do wonder if Warriors would try to make those future picks like Top 3 protected or whatever instead of all unprotected
That massively diminishes their value. Each one is a lottery ticket, but if you take away the possibility of getting the three best lottery outcomes, the value becomes way less. I think MIL might hang up if we tried that. Unless they recently hired Nico...
I wonder whether it will end up being a more complex multi-team trade. If so, all bets are off on where the assets come from.
Fantastic framework for cutting through homer bias. The masochism test basically forces you to price in the emotional premium, which is where most overpays happen. I've seenthis play out with prospect hoarding where teams hold till value craters.
I've been trying to put myself in the shoes of the Bucks GM and look at the potential offers from the four known contenders for Giannis right now - Warriors, Heat, Knicks, T-Wolves. Obviously there could be a dark horse - the Thunder could throw J-Dub or Chet and a million picks at them or the Rockets could offer Sengun/Jabari/whatever or the Blazers offer Avdija and the Bucks' own picks - but for the purposes of this thought exercise, let's say that won't happen.
Warriors - 4 firsts, 1 swap, plus JK, and a couple of the other young guys Podz/Moody/Richard. And either Butler and get back a bad contract (Kuzma, Turner, Portis?) or Draymond and hope to flip for another pick or whatever.
Wolves - Does Milwaukee want Randle? I doubt it. They also can't trade a 1st round pick. So they have to try to deal McDaniels for picks, but what's his trade value? He's got 3 yrs and like 80 million left on his deal. Anyway, maybe he nets 2 picks? That honestly feels like a stretch.
Knicks - They can trade KAT, Bridges, McBride, etc but they only have 1 first that is VERY unlikely to convey (2026 top-8 protected Wizards). So they'd have to bring in a 3rd team (or 4th team) and get that 3rd team to give picks that they can then reroute to Milwaukee. Is there a conceivable package that beats the Warriors' one? I guess, but it's complicated, assuming Milwaukee doesn't want KAT or Bridges (I wouldn't in their situation).
Heat - Herro, Ware, Rozier, 2 firsts, 1 swap - maybe I'm too low on Herro, but the Warriors package is WAY better. 2 extra firsts and I'd rather have JK, Podz, and Richard than Herro & Ware.
I honestly think the Warriors can offer the best package of these 4 teams right now. Maybe the Bucks are better off waiting for the offseason. Maybe a dark horse swoops in. Who knows. I'll keep my fingers crossed.
I generally agree with this except for "I'd rather have JK, Podz, and Richard than Herro & Ware".
Looked at neutrally and ignoring contracts we have
- elite athlete who can't get off the bench, 5th yr player feuding with ultra-respected coach
- role player and borderline starter (2024 All-Rookie)
- role player with some upside
vs
- 2025 All-Star
- 2025 All-Rookie, stretch center (2nd yr player butting heads with ultra-respected coach)
From this perspective, MIA definitely has the better players.
Sure, I should've clarified I was taking into account Herro's contract.
Very early poll results are strongly in favor of the trade. Interesting… I’d roughly guess comments have been running around 5 to 1 against a Giannis trade, including that specific trade. Or maybe that only says something about the kind of people who are voting in a DNHQ poll in its first hour at 9pm of a non-game night… :)
Should the Warriors do the trade above?
Hell Yes
47%
Yes
39%
No
13%
Hell No
0%
Two thoughts:
1. If we remove TwoRing’s comments, the 5-to-1 against becomes 2-to-1 in favor. :P
2. A lot of the negative reactions I saw were responding to a similar trade but with Moody going instead of Richard. I really like both, but think Moody’s size, shooting and having established himself as a starter (or at least heavy rotation guy) makes him more indispensable. I’m more comfortable with this version where we keep My Man Moses Moody.
I haven't counted or anything but 5 to 1 against a Giannis trade seems high based on the comments I've seen over the last few days
76ers beat the Clippers 128-113
Hell Yes for me too!
Any trade where we get Giannis and get to keep Moody is about the best we can hope for. Refusing to take a shot with Curry towards the end of his career feels rude; the greatest loss with be the chances to debate first round picks each offseason until my kids are in high school. But worth it to see what Curry and Giannis can do together, assuming we don't get bad injury luck.
I voted plain ol’ “Yes” because I agree it’s better than whatever plan A was gonna be but I’m pretty (Greek) freaked about a Giannis and/or Steph injury leading to unwatchable basketball and no picks until your kids are in high school.