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Jul 9·edited Jul 9

I'm unable to see the games. Can someone give me the pocket summer league review (so far) on Rubstavicius? He looked a little intriguing to me.

I see Apricot has decided he's not a stretch 4 or 5 because he's 6'6".

Has his shot looked intriguing enough to think about a 2-way? Is he Mant-astic?

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He didn’t stand out to me. Beekman had moments, could see why they liked him. But the most interesting players were Plowden, Ethan Thompson and Bolden. Older guys (25ish) coming back from injury or rotting on other teams’ G league teams. They might have something. Plowden and Thompson can both shoot, and Bolden is a rim guarding defensive problem. Do they have enough versatility to be useful on the Dubs, that’s the question.

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Bolden has the best chance to get big show minutes IMO. We NEED size in the worst way.

I’d be cool with a depth chart of Lauri, TJD, Dray(SBDS), Post, Bolden at the 5.

Sorry Loon dawg.

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Just wanted to pop in and say I miss pre-punch Jordan poole

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OT: where is Steven Adam’s these days?

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I believe on the Rockets, getting paid about 12.5M in the last year of his contract. He went there near the trade deadline last season, but hasn't played for them yet.

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Thnx

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I watched the fourth quarter of the USA Olympic squad scrimmage against the Select team, so you don't have to. Observations:

-- 17 year old high school phenom Cooper Flagg is NICE. He not only looked like he belonged, he was as good as anyone out there, for one quarter at least.

-- And look at lil' Brandin Podz. A year ago he was a relative unknown spending his first month in Santa Cruz. Now he's out there getting hit in the face by an Embiid elbow and coming back in a few minutes later. What a rise over a year.

-- It's weird watching a game with Steph in there, but the point of the offense is not to get him a look. He was out there with LeBron Embiid Tatum and Edwards. Steph hit a couple of shots but mostly kept the ball moving and fed Edwards and LeBron.

-- My guess is your starting five will be Steph Ant KD LeBron Embiid. KD didn't play, looked like minor injury.

-- Embiid makes a huge, and I do mean huge, difference from previous Olympic squads. There are some really big international lineups and sorry Bam but you were a placeholder. Having a legitimate superstar out there at the 5 will mean scoring and defense that USA has been lacking.

-- Kawhi didn't play but could be seen standing around during timeouts. If you didn't watch, you still have a strong, strong chance at guessing his expression.

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoEkzIkWa3U&t=11s

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Agree, Flagg looked great.

Come on Ainge, you need to maximize your chances!

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Thank you for volunteering. What is the Select group?

I'm told the USA will not win this year.

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When they are practicing, the USA team likes to have quality opponents. So they ask certain players to be on the Select team. This year it's:

Jalen Duren (Detroit Pistons), Cooper Flagg (Duke University), Langston Galloway (Free Agent), Nigel Hayes-Davis (Fenerbahçe, Turkey), Trayce Jackson-Davis (Golden State Warriors), Jaime Jaquez Jr. (Miami Heat), Brandon Miller (Charlotte Hornets), Trey Murphy (New Orleans Pelicans), Keegan Murray (Sacramento Kings), Brandin Podziemski (Golden State Warriors), Micah Potter (Utah Jazz/Salt Lake City Stars), Payton Pritchard (Boston Celtics), Jabari Smith Jr. (Houston Rockets), Jalen Suggs (Orlando Magic) and Amen Thompson (Houston Rockets).

AND: Please ask the person who told you that the USA will not win this year to bet me money. I have $1000 ready to go that says they will win the gold, and quite easily.

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Olympic team squeaked by a one point win. Lol, I’m kinda more impressed with the Select team.

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Seriously. Although the effort level was maybe the biggest difference. The Select squad was playing the most challenging game of their lives at top speed. The vets were cruising around at half speed.

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https://youtu.be/BoEkzIkWa3U?si=7PrgBAUOvjBN9I--

I enjoyed it. TJD had some nice moments.

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Someone made a post about which is the most average and the least average player in the NBA last season:

https://old.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1dytdrx/oc_terry_rozier_of_the_miami_heat_is_mr_average/

Most average player: Terry Rozier (PG), Simon Fontecchio (SF), Kevin Huerter (SG), Grant Williams (PF), Jonas Valanciunas (C)

https://imgur.com/BkEOFKS

Least average player: Trayce-Jackson Davis (PF), Amen Thompson (SF), Shai-Gilgeous Alexander (PG), Dalen Terry (SG), and Andre Drummond (C)

https://imgur.com/WdwJlga

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Are they counting backwards?

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Really weird to count TJD as a power forward… has he played any minutes at the 4 on the warriors? Did he even play the 4 in college?

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I saw him listed as 6-6" the other day.

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That's an interesting question. Clearly he's a 5 the vast majority of the time but if TJD is in with Draymond, for instance, who's the 4 and who's the 5 when they're switching coverage?

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For two years Timpf's Warriors drumbeat has been trade Kuminga and pieces for either Siakam, Jerami Grant, or Markkanen. The first two are not in trade rumors, so he's down to the last one. If that fails, Timpf will be out of stuff to talk about and the pod will shut down b --

Oh, right. LeBron. Lakers. LeBron. Lakers. Etc.

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Nah, if Lauri doesn't work out, he'll find some other star to pound the table that the Dubs must trade JK for. Can't give up that click magnet topic that easily.

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Jul 9·edited Jul 9

Well, that is two years where having Markkanen instead of JK would have made us a lot better.

Going forward. It’d be great to have both (their games fit beautifully) but I don’t think we can extend both.

I’m also okay with maxing out JK to 4/$180M or whatever (as he will likely demand) and hoping he lives up to the contract. But it’s hardly a no-brainer.

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Is Lacob that dumb to offer that much money?? I don't think so.

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Jul 9·edited Jul 9

Sounds like the Dubs must be OK with extending two players, though. Otherwise, there would have been no real point of holding him out of the PG13 deal.

They knew they were going to pay PG13 a huge extension. Keeping Kuminga while acquiring PG13 meant paying him one, too (or whoever he would have gotten sent out for in a later trade).

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If he gets 4/$180M he better be an All Star. He hasn't shown he's worth anywhere close to that. A nice bag, sure, but not $45M/yr.

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Franz Wagner enters the chat

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Jul 9·edited Jul 9

JK had a good '23-'24 season but Franz Wagner has been better in each of the past 3 seasons and was better their rookie year than JK has ever been. JK might be at the same level eventually but he has not been so far. But I'd say that's crazy money for Wagner too. That's more like what Paul George makes.

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Absolutely I agree, just mentioning the kind of comp that JK's agent Aaron Turner will want to level set the negotiations with. Wagner only shot 28% from 3 last year, but he has a large role on a team stacked with young talent that made the playoffs. Wagner has also played 3200 more minutes for his team than JK, so they have seen more and had more time to develop him in actual NBA games. I hope JK's contract comes out somewhere in the middle paying him what he's worth, overpaying him will make it difficult to keep the flexibility they've been trying to build out and would hate to lose him to a trade just to shore up the books down the road.

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Thing I'd worry about with Markkanen is defense. Swap him and Kuminga and you get improvement on offense, even a fanboi like me has to admit that. But don't you lose a ton on perimeter, which is very valuable defense?

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Jul 9·edited Jul 9

Depends on which Dubs are on the court with him, and how engaged Wiggins is if he's still on the team.

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Wiggins' engagement level is such the question mark, indeed.

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I'm so tired of playing that game with Wiggins

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Yea, it’s dull. I mean wtf, $30mm is zero motivation?

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Jul 9·edited Jul 9

I don't have endless irrational optimism. I have sufficient enough for one new player next year. I want to spend it on either Post or Waters. I think one or both of these guys is going to shock the world. Please advise.

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Don't sleep on Beekman. He's rising...

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Not good at predicting, but I'd go Post, just because if he can keep up on D, it would fill a huge gap. I think they have some other shooters if Lindy doesn't pan out

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Think about putting a lineup out there of Steph Hield Lindy Post and Melton. The threes would rain down like rain.

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You forgot the great 3-point shooting center Draymond Green!

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Who could be out there with them depending on which version of him shows up is Wiggins.

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Hey Post has to rest sometime, right? 😆

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I mean last year... !!!

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I actually like rain. But I garden.

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Let's gooooo!

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Grizzlies got one hell of a rim protector/shot blocker in Edey. He's not quick but good hands and timing and 7'4"!

Jazz got a nice pick at #29, Collier. Looks very solid with BBIQ. Both teams playing good defense.

Utah wins 97-95

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Jul 9·edited Jul 9

https://x.com/baby_face_goat/status/1810499309026312468

Lol. 42 (assuming thats Jaime Jaquez Jr) completely ignoring Embiid as the roller to trap Steph. The gravity is real.

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I'm excited to see how the international stage plays Steph in this stage of his career (not quite his absolute prime anymore, but definitely still a nightmare). International players in the NBA have a taste, but not whole countries' teams. It'll be super fun!

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No one ever got fired for following Steph Curry -- even if you have to let an MVP roll free to the basket...

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Well... when #6 (whoever that is) is clanking the wide open corner 3 off the side of the backboard, it proves the defense is making the right decisions here.

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Yeah, I don't think it matters who is out there for the defense. They're always trapping 30 any chance they get

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They're trapping 4, these days. Maybe Steph's trying to inspire Moody? Or maybe he's reminding Ant how many rings he needs to catch up?

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Losing KCP sucks. There’s no way around that. But ever since it feels like there’s been a rush to panic about the Nuggets’ offseason — like Denver’s quiet start to free agency. Their two targets were Dario Saric and Russell Westbrook. They got one and are on track to get both.

https://x.com/HarrisonWind/status/1810498865717547192

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What concerns me is that their target is Russell Westbrook

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Booth and Kroenke <<<<<<<

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Yea this is so weird, it’s pathetic. Or so pathetic it’s weird.

Poor Jokic.

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by most accounts, Jokic is the driving force behind their desire to get Westbrook!

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Free Nikola -- Warriors or bust!

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Jul 9·edited Jul 9

If my team’s two targets were Saric and Westbrook I would be panicking too.

Edit: What Asher said.

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Jul 9·edited Jul 9

I'm hoping Dario bounces back. At the beginning of last season, he looked fine. Not quite sure what happened there...

Not really looking for Westbrook to bounce back -- though he earned some respect from me for finding a way to contribute off the bench. I wish Klay had gotten there...

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If those are your two targets in free agency, then there actually is better reason to panic than I thought. Russell Westbrook is not the answer to anything, and by the end of last year Dario Saric couldn't crack the rotation on a non-playoff team. Good luck, Denver.

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I honestly don't know what to make of Saric. His game collapsed around the time of Deki's death but there's no way to know to what extent that affected his game and what else might have been going on. He looked good earlier in the season, not stellar but he contributed and was appreciated in Dub Nation. Then it all went away. Hopefully he'll find it with Denver this coming season — he seems like a good man — but not enough to hurt our playoff chances.

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I think Saric is OK on offense but gives it all back on defense. We have data from before last year and he never set the league on fire. His pick and pop is nice but that's about it.

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Their front office is really afraid of going over the 2nd apron. But hey, you gotta spend money if you want to win.

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Jazz better trade away Collins/Clarkson/maybe Sexton if they want to tank properly. Going to be funny as hell if they end up keeping Lauri + all of those guys and win 34 games for no reason

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Jul 9·edited Jul 9

Lauri’s the only one who risks making them a half-decent team, imo. I think they can easily rack up 55-60 losses with the other guys (given how stacked the West is).

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Exactly... they've got to pay somebody. 3x empty calorie type players are EXACTLY the kind of players Ainge wants eating up his cap space and allowing him to check that box.

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The same empty calorie guys that played decent basketball and won too many games for their agenda for half a season until the FO probably them to knock it off? They're not good by any means but they're not bad either and will probably help Utah win too many games for the Cooper Flaggs sweepstake

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The Hawks had the 10th seed in the East and got the #1 pick this year. Now, that was an extreme bit of luck but if Utah finishes about where they did last year (12th seed in the West) or a mite worse, they'd still have a shot at it.

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Jul 9·edited Jul 9

but yeah I get it, they gotta pay somebody some Collins and Clarkson are probably your best bet for the tank commander but I feel like Sexton has developed into a pretty decent player

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Nearly all of the teams currently have at least 12 players in their roster. Pels are supposed to have 12 after they signed Theis today, but the table hasn't added him to the Pels roster yet. The only team that doesn't have that many players are the 76ers (9 players).

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/_/year/2024/sort/players_active/dir/desc

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The Bulls remain active in shopping the two-time All-Star guard, but LaVine’s contract and injury history are not an easy sell. The hope in making the sign-and-trade for DeRozan is getting two second round picks back that can now be attached to the LaVine package. But still it’s a long shot and the market has been screaming for over a year that there is not a lot of interest in LaVine.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bulls/2024/07/08/bulls-make-three-team-deal-official-acquiring-chris-duarte

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One of those empty NBC Sports article brought up that Moody & Kuminga can be extended between Saturday and the start of the season:

Will Kuminga expect to get compensated like the guys who signed “rookie max extensions worth at least $224 million over five seasons.” What would you pay Kuminga?

The article also speculated on Moody:

“he might also command a contract of $20 million per year or more if the Warriors envision him as a cornerstone piece of their future.”

This seems like pure speculation, but what’s Moody’s next contract looking like to those in here?

The main question I have is has the team seen enough of either of these guys to make a proper decision on an extension with those numbers?

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I think we will know more by trade deadline.

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I’d jump all over Moody at $20M a year.

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From your fingertips to an opposing GM who values Moody at 20M enough to give us a nice veteran piece for the right to try and sign him to that next offseason.

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That's starter money though — which is okay with me, I'd like to see Moody finally get a real chance to show out.

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Something to keep in mind with both Kuminga and Moody's eventual extensions is the expected cap jump. 20 million might end up being the MLE in a few years.

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The CBA anti KD plan limits the increase to 10% a year. So an MLE would possibly get to around $19 million for the last year of a 4 year extension if the MLE rises by that 10% as well.

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Ah remember the days when we broke the bank for Maggette at 5yrs/50m or something like that

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No. I have forgotten about Corey Maggette. I worked hard to forget him. And here you are bringing it back up. That's just plain mean. 😉

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Awww. I lived him. He could score. Thought he played hard. Not talented at the other aspects of the game. But didn’t think you could expect more back then…

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Jul 9·edited Jul 9

No way I think they max extend him now Poole-style (though I think Poole was a bit short of his max). They would just let JK go to RFA and match, as other teams have done. It can go sideways, but unless he suddenly develops into the second coming of Jimmy Buckets or Jaylen Brown, they'll just wait. Then they have the option to trade him to someone who _will_ extend him.

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The risk is that JK just does a one-year deal, and then he's out.

Admittedly, low risk (not sure if even one player has done that yet). But, if the Dubs low-ball him, I could see it.

IMHO, they just need to pony up for it, if he looks good in training camp. They'll have about 2 weeks of camp to evaluate his progress before they need to offer it to him.

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Agreed -- I think both JK and Moody are just RFA + match type guys. It's cheaper for the team and just less risky overall. Also get to see another year of data to help determine their future value. The main risk is a player taking the QO for a year and leaving, but it's almost unheard of because that option is stacked against the player (especially if they are anywhere near worthy of a max).

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Kuminga is not a lock starter, don’t see why he would get the kinds of numbers that guys like Cunningham/Mobley/Barnes/Suggs/Wagner will receive. Next tier down. Moody can’t even get regular rotation time, can’t imagine he’s anywhere near $20mm a year.

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Euro big under contract with with a rival Western Conference team is dragged in a chokehold during an altercation after an Olympic qualifiers match in Greece ... just checking in to confirm that Draymond is still States-side.

https://www.si.com/nba/dario-saric-ivica-zubac-bar-fight-olympic-qualifying-loss

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Yeah, Dario Saric got choked and taken to the ground and stayed down for a few minutes. Hmmm. I guess Draymond never explained to Dario that he's supposed to do the choking, not get choked.

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This is another example of how the Warriors (in this case Draymond) changed the game and everybody else is now catching up. #lightyears

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He didn’t invent spontaneous choking. Kind of a Warrior thing, no?

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True, we do have a tradition, although Dray did a choke-and-drag of an opposing player in a game, while Spree did a straight choke hold (no drag) of the coach at a practice. Same general category but different subcategories. We are diversifying.

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Honestly, I’m not proud of this joke.

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Being known for a gallows sense of humor, I make no apologies. Besides, Spree and Draymond earned it.

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San Francisco is a hub of innovation. Warriors reflect that. 3 point shooting, choking, take your pick.

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Kyle Anderson intro presser: https://youtu.be/Os-XMjLD2Zo?si=VlLcEujnf4vL4bx8

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