Hmmmm? Close friend or brother-in-law? Let's just ask Curry who he wants to part ways with?! That wrinkle aside, given Klay is rehabbing, carrying both Baze and Lee isn't going to hurt you. As players, they a little duplicative. Lee, a more efficient scorer, better shot selection, Baze, the edge defensively, goof ball, wrecking ball, solid vet. Both can give you starter minutes at the 2 or 3 if needed, both know the system inside out, both great locker room guys. If making improvements to the roster, the 2 guard is the last position you would look at. The key is whether or not Warriors pencil Poole in as their back-up point guard. If he is slotted there, then there is room on the roster for Baze and Lee. If we add some vet point guard (repeating the Wanamaker failed experiment), then Poole will need to get his minutes at the 2. If you keep Baze, it will be as a small forward where he would pull minutes when Wiggs not on the floor. The Poole-Baze second unit lineups at the 1-2 were very successful and this pairing makes Lee the 5th Guard on your depth chart which makes a little more sense. Not to mention, if Poole-Baze at the 1-2, then JTA slots in at the small forward which is a better position for him as well.
Poole Baze JTA playing the 1-2-3 (better size, all better players at these positions) sounds a lot better than them playing the 2-3-4 alongside some aging veteran point guard.
Since the Warriors are 'cap-minded', I would choose JTA over Bazemore. More upside, better athleticism. If we only go by the stretch run at the end of this season with Baze playing for Oubre, we don't get a complete picture. Baze has to play at full force every moment to achieve any kind of respectability. Fouls and TO's accumulate. We will add two draft additions, probably. One will be a SF, Kispert or Wagner, I believe. Jessup is very likely to be on the roster. Only in a pinch would I add Baze, a good guy, as well as DLee and Chriss. A guy like Chriss would be more necessary than Baze or DLee, IMO.
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On our team, he was second in 3P%, third in plus-minus and best defensive rating (not counting GPII)... all at 20 minutes a night. Pretty good for a guy coming off the bench at a very minimal cost. So, yea, sign me up for more please... (just foul less so I can stop pulling out my hair please)
I'm down for return of the Bazegent as the ultimate X factor. He's good for the team spirit. I have a feeling he'll end up staying for a similar amount but just longer years so he can retire in the Bay.
OT: Watching the 2019 Finals again and it refueled my bitterness for the Raptors. The 2016 collapse was historic but the Toronto finals punched us in the gut two times in the same series. Too bad they won't be good enough to return to the big stage for a rematch.
Bring back Bazemore. He fits the team better than Oubre. On offense, if he sits in the corner and shoot the 3, then he is fine. Anything more than that, then it is an adventure with him.
However, the Dubs will be lucky to get him or any veteran to come here. Dubs are in salary cap hell. Many teams can offer him more money to play elsewhere. Dubs will only end up with a person that no one else really wants or someone who is willing to take less money to play on a team that did not make the playoffs this year.
Klay, Wiggins, JTA, Damion Lee, likely one of the first round picks (Kispert?), another veteran...you want to fill up your wing rotation with guys who are better than Kent Bazemore if you want to be a contender.
But the dude knows how to play. That's why his minutes came out as plus. He can shoot, pass, dribble, defend. Not anything at a particularly high level, but good enough to make the Warriors system go. He can be a useful end of bench guy who can play spot minutes and fill in very reasonably if someone is hurt.
To me that adds up to a guy you try really hard to get at the minimum so you can have the lower cap slot, but go up to the non-bird. Sounds like he wants to be here and it'll be hard to find someone better, for cheaper.
I’d like him back, but don’t think we need him back, so wouldn’t use any of the MLE on him. As I said all season, I like Bazemore, but don’t like him taking minutes from Lee, who I expect won’t get Covid next season and who I trust more to take care of the ball and not commit a dumb foul.
It might also depend on what our draft looks like. If we end up with 1 or 2 NBA-ready wings, there could be a roster crunch.
I don't think there is any question that the Warriors would like Bazemore back at less than $3m for 3 years, but I'm not sure that's the best offer he will get. He was only a small step down from Oubre, and Oubre is expecting a deal upwards of $15m. Of course there is the age to take into factor. Bazemore would be 35 at the end of a 3 year deal.
Hmmmm? Close friend or brother-in-law? Let's just ask Curry who he wants to part ways with?! That wrinkle aside, given Klay is rehabbing, carrying both Baze and Lee isn't going to hurt you. As players, they a little duplicative. Lee, a more efficient scorer, better shot selection, Baze, the edge defensively, goof ball, wrecking ball, solid vet. Both can give you starter minutes at the 2 or 3 if needed, both know the system inside out, both great locker room guys. If making improvements to the roster, the 2 guard is the last position you would look at. The key is whether or not Warriors pencil Poole in as their back-up point guard. If he is slotted there, then there is room on the roster for Baze and Lee. If we add some vet point guard (repeating the Wanamaker failed experiment), then Poole will need to get his minutes at the 2. If you keep Baze, it will be as a small forward where he would pull minutes when Wiggs not on the floor. The Poole-Baze second unit lineups at the 1-2 were very successful and this pairing makes Lee the 5th Guard on your depth chart which makes a little more sense. Not to mention, if Poole-Baze at the 1-2, then JTA slots in at the small forward which is a better position for him as well.
Poole Baze JTA playing the 1-2-3 (better size, all better players at these positions) sounds a lot better than them playing the 2-3-4 alongside some aging veteran point guard.
Since the Warriors are 'cap-minded', I would choose JTA over Bazemore. More upside, better athleticism. If we only go by the stretch run at the end of this season with Baze playing for Oubre, we don't get a complete picture. Baze has to play at full force every moment to achieve any kind of respectability. Fouls and TO's accumulate. We will add two draft additions, probably. One will be a SF, Kispert or Wagner, I believe. Jessup is very likely to be on the roster. Only in a pinch would I add Baze, a good guy, as well as DLee and Chriss. A guy like Chriss would be more necessary than Baze or DLee, IMO.
Suns in 5?6?
Healthy warriors would have done serious damage in the playoffs this year
Bring him back! If he'll accept 3yr < 3mil. Hoping they can figure out something that works for both sides.
On our team, he was second in 3P%, third in plus-minus and best defensive rating (not counting GPII)... all at 20 minutes a night. Pretty good for a guy coming off the bench at a very minimal cost. So, yea, sign me up for more please... (just foul less so I can stop pulling out my hair please)
I'm down for return of the Bazegent as the ultimate X factor. He's good for the team spirit. I have a feeling he'll end up staying for a similar amount but just longer years so he can retire in the Bay.
OT: Watching the 2019 Finals again and it refueled my bitterness for the Raptors. The 2016 collapse was historic but the Toronto finals punched us in the gut two times in the same series. Too bad they won't be good enough to return to the big stage for a rematch.
Bring back Bazemore. He fits the team better than Oubre. On offense, if he sits in the corner and shoot the 3, then he is fine. Anything more than that, then it is an adventure with him.
However, the Dubs will be lucky to get him or any veteran to come here. Dubs are in salary cap hell. Many teams can offer him more money to play elsewhere. Dubs will only end up with a person that no one else really wants or someone who is willing to take less money to play on a team that did not make the playoffs this year.
He brings intensity. Does anyone remember when the Dubs played in the Shark Tank? They really stank then.
He fits the team chemistry, weaponizes joy. Yes
Klay, Wiggins, JTA, Damion Lee, likely one of the first round picks (Kispert?), another veteran...you want to fill up your wing rotation with guys who are better than Kent Bazemore if you want to be a contender.
But the dude knows how to play. That's why his minutes came out as plus. He can shoot, pass, dribble, defend. Not anything at a particularly high level, but good enough to make the Warriors system go. He can be a useful end of bench guy who can play spot minutes and fill in very reasonably if someone is hurt.
To me that adds up to a guy you try really hard to get at the minimum so you can have the lower cap slot, but go up to the non-bird. Sounds like he wants to be here and it'll be hard to find someone better, for cheaper.
I’d like him back, but don’t think we need him back, so wouldn’t use any of the MLE on him. As I said all season, I like Bazemore, but don’t like him taking minutes from Lee, who I expect won’t get Covid next season and who I trust more to take care of the ball and not commit a dumb foul.
It might also depend on what our draft looks like. If we end up with 1 or 2 NBA-ready wings, there could be a roster crunch.
I don't think there is any question that the Warriors would like Bazemore back at less than $3m for 3 years, but I'm not sure that's the best offer he will get. He was only a small step down from Oubre, and Oubre is expecting a deal upwards of $15m. Of course there is the age to take into factor. Bazemore would be 35 at the end of a 3 year deal.