2025 Free Agency Day 4: Kuminga trade with SAC and DET discussed; Horford leaning towards GSW; courting Lillard
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Table of Contents
Small updates: Lillard, Kuminga, Horford, Boucher
On Kuminga
On Horford And Boucher
On Damian Lillard
Frequently Asked Questions
When should I be sad about GSW not getting all the free agents?
When should I be MAD about GSW not getting free agents?
Where can I educate myself on various free agents that GSW should pursue?
What are the key dates in the 2024 NBA Free Agency season?
When will we hear news?
Small updates: Lillard, Kuminga, Horford, Boucher
On Kuminga trade talks
Day 3
In chronological order… there’s a lot of back and forth, but the end result is that they’re all still negotiating and nothing is close to final.
Full set of tweets from Brett Siegel:
The Kings have made it very obvious that they want Jonathan Kuminga.
However, the Warriors, I’m told, have zero interest in seeing their young forward go to their rival.
There doesn’t appear to be a plausible path, at this time, for a S&T resulting in Kuminga to Sacramento.
Jonathan Kuminga is a restricted free agent, so if he were to sign an offer sheet with the Kings, the Warriors would have full control to match such an offer and retain the 22-year-old.
If he is to be moved in a S&T, the Warriors are wanting immediate value.
The Warriors are taking their time when it comes to Jonathan Kuminga because they are leaving all of their options open, including potential paths to add another superstar down the line.
What happens with Kuminga has a direct impact on the team’s status as a contending threat.
This is relevant for both the “now” and the “post-Curry” era, which is why all options are being carefully evaluated.
The Warriors, Kings and Detroit Pistons are discussing a three-team blockbuster that would send Kuminga and veteran point guard Dennis Schröder to Sacramento in separate sign-and-trade deals, a source told NBC Sports California.
The trade discussions remain fluid.
The Kings, in turn, would send Monk to the Pistons, and second-year NBA guard Devin Carter and newly acquired big man Dario Šarić to the Warriors, the source said.
Sacramento also would send two second-rounders to Golden State, the source said….
General manager Mike Dunleavy had hoped to acquire players in a potential sign-and-trade for Kuminga, but in this scenario, the Warriors would add a future asset while clearing salary cap space.
Sacramento would revamp part of its roster with the move, adding a starting point guard in Schröder and a potential game-changing talent in Kuminga.
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Carter, the No. 13 pick in last year's NBA draft, battled injuries as a rookie and could join a Warriors team where minutes are hard to come by. He averaged 3.8 points in 11.0 minutes in 36 games.
I'll tell you this, Sacramento Kings GM Scott Perry isn't going to be pushed around. He's negotiated bigger deals in the past (see his New York Knicks work). And he's putting pressure on the Warriors, who are in a tough spot with Kuminga.
BrettSiegelNBA:
There’s really not much of a tough spot here for the Warriors, as they aren’t going to be forced into any trade and they’ve made that apparent, hence their patient approach. If the Kings want to get Kuminga on an offer sheet immediately, Golden State can easily match.
Yes, the Warriors can match and pay for a player that doesn't seem to want to be there. Nor do the Warriors feel inclined to keep him around. So, the Kings are giving them an opportunity to get something out of it. They can say no if they want. There's the pressure from Sac.
Nothing Brett said is wrong by the way other than the Warriors aren't in a tough spot. They've been in a tricky situation with Kuminga for a while. My point is, the Kings are putting pressure on the Warriors to not have to pay Kuminga and get something in return. But the Kings aren't going to give up a ton to do it. Neither side is desperate. Both are exploring all options
BrettSiegelNBA:
There are a lot of people that would love to keep him around, the owner included. That part is in Kuminga’s court, but keeping him doesn’t necessarily mean he would be there long-term. Today’s NBA is all about cap management, and having him at $30M+ is very, very valuable.
There’s nothing near the finish line on the Jonathan Kuminga front as the third night of free agency wraps, per sources. Conversations ongoing with Warriors and several teams on periphery. Warriors also waiting on Al Horford decision.
Apricot
Glad to hear there is interest from SAC. SAC might make a mistake beyond normal Kangz dysfunction, because SAC is engaged in an internal power struggle between Vivek’s daughter and Jeremy Lamb(!!) vs everyone else, so it might be that good players get dumped for irrational alliance reasons.
On the other hand, a net of Devin Carter and Dario Saric and 2 seconds would be an absurd anti-climax.
How does DET, who can lose Schroeder for nothing, suddenly net Monk out of this and GSW, with all the leverage in the world, gets a pupu platter? So let’s see how the negotiations progress.
I don’t think that trade is going to happen and I don’t particularly want that trade to happen, but I regret to tell you that Devin Carter had fantastic college stats and APRIBOT v1, designed to roughly predict 2024 Dunleavy drafting, thinks Carter was the #3 prospect of 2024. And Clunky Comps thinks Devin Carter is f’ing awesome. So there is a good chance that GSW does value him. Still feeling like that return would be a stunning anti-climax.
Despite his glowing college resume, he was crummy last year, probably due to injuries.
Midseason report about him being sent to the G-League:
Carter missed the first part of the season due to having shoulder surgery in the offseason, and he has not adjusted to the NBA as well as he and the franchise had hoped.
This season, the 22-year-old guard is averaging just 3.7 points, 2.5 rebounds and 1.3 assists per game while shooting an abysmal 31.1% from the field and 25.8% from three-point range over 16 games. He was expected to receive more minutes after Sacramento traded Fox, and he will, in the G League as he continues to develop and adjust to the NBA.
Shawyer found these bits of copium:
https://www.reddit.com/r/kings/comments/1dptier/an_indepth_look_at_devin_carter_from_vecenies/
Day 2
Since JK struck out in the first round of free agency, his agent is waiting to see if any teams strike out in free agency and get desperate enough to make a bigger offer. If so, GSW threatens to match and tries to work out a sign and trade. If not, my hunch is that it will end up with JK taking $25m/y from GSW.
That gives JK a half season to audition that he can be the star of the future and play alongside Steph / Jimmy. Then GSW shops JK at the deadline.
My “rather” is that some team gives JK a great role and a bunch of money and GSW gets some player(s) who fits better, via a sign and trade this offseason.
Day 2
>>>Both the Warriors and Kuminga's representation were prepared for the 22-year-old forward's restricted free agency to develop slowly, given that the Brooklyn Nets were the only team that entered the market with ample salary cap space to make a bid.
On one hand, then, it is difficult to see where an offer sheet might come from, raising the possibility, league sources say, of Kuminga re-signing with the Warriors on a short-term deal.
On the other hand ... There are four primary teams, sources say, that have to be tracked thanks to varying levels of past and current sign-and-trade interest in Kuminga.
The Miami Heat are an oft-mentioned potential Kuminga suitor and do have a clear need on the wing between All-Star guard Tyler Herro and All-Defensive Team big man Bam Adebayo.
Kuminga would certainly represent a younger, higher-upside target for the Heat. The issue, of course, is the presumed $30 million-per-season price point. That is where Kuminga has been trying to land since the rookie-scale contract extension window that closed in October on the night before the regular season began.
Chicago, New Orleans and Sacramento are three more teams routinely suggested as possible landing spots for Kuminga, but pinpointing significant traction with any of them in these early stages of free agency has been difficult.
The Warriors, though, appear to have moved away from past trade interest they previously registered in veteran Bulls center Nikola Vučević, which might have helped spark something this summer.
I've confirmed that the Pelicans hold an interest in Kuminga, but various team salary cap experts have pointed out to me that New Orleans has no easy route to take Kuminga on its books at his desired contract range.
Sources say that Sacramento, meanwhile, would be interested in including Malik Monk in any outgoing trade package, but nothing substantial has materialized with the Warriors.<<<
Day 1
Anthony Slater: Despite a few conversations between the two sides, the Golden State Warriors have generated no real traction toward a deal with restricted free agent Jonathan Kuminga in recent days and, as anticipated, he is expected to explore the market when it opens at 3 p.m. PT on Monday afternoon, league sources told The Athletic. The Miami Heat and Chicago Bulls remain the two likeliest outside suitors, league sources said….
If the Warriors use the taxpayer midlevel exception (projected at around $5.7 million) on Horford or another free agent, they’ll be hard-capped at the second apron, currently projected at $207.8 million. The Warriors currently have nine players under contract at $170.5 million. Kuminga’s qualifying offer, extended over the weekend by the Warriors, is $7.9 million, but his cap hold is $22.9 million, further clogging the Warriors’ books if his situation drags deeper into July.
Apricot: I wouldn’t take any new anxiety from this. (Existing anxiety should continue.) JK definitely needs to explore the full FA market and try to get the biggest contract, then that team and GSW try to work out a sign-and-trade. The only way GSW could have avoided this is by offering him a massive extension. The max would have done it. Maaaaybe even a re-offer of the spurned $30m / yr would have done it? But GSW should not be offering anywhere close to that. They also need to have JK explore his market value, for a potential sign and trade.
As for as JK, he does have a certain urgency because the longer he waits, the less cap space teams have to spend and the fewer options there are to make sign-and-trades work. I’m hoping we’ll hear news in the next day or two.
Ramona Shelburne: "From what I understand, the Warriors are not going to give Kuminga up for assets that they don't like in return. They want to keep him unless they get something great back for him. (reddit)
On Horford
Day 3
Bill Simmons podcast transcript (23:06-23:19):
Bill Simmons - "Horford's going to Golden State."
Rob Mahoney - "I mean - that's basically treated as a foregone conclusion around the league right now. Everyone is assuming that Horford will be a Golden State Warrior. We'll see if that's happening or not, but ---"
Bill: "It's happening."
Normally, he's not a news breaker, but it is a long-time Celtic and the Celtics were talking about. The only ice water I'll throw is I do remember Simmons saying he thought we were getting Batum once upon a time.
[The Warriors have] been in talks with Al Horford for the last couple of days. It could happen as early as tonight.
Ball is in Horford’s court and what he ultimately decides.
Day 2
ServantOfLuna shared: According to McMenamin:
1. Horford as of yesterday was leaning towards joining the Warriors.
2. Warriors appear to be making room for him by letting go of Looney.
3. McMenamin's opinion is that Horford won't go to the Lakers.
Ohm Youngmisuk - "It almost feels like we're in a little bit of a holding pattern. All league sources around the league are telling me they still hear Al Horford's name with the Warriors. They can do that before Kuminga"
Day 1
Anthony Slater: Team sources have identified a stretch center as a high priority. Many in the league continue to link Al Horford to the Warriors as a preferred target.
If the Warriors miss out on Al Horford, who is being pursued by several big-name teams, keep a close eye on Chris Boucher as a cost-effective option. Dubs also still maintain interest in Gary Payton II and De'Anthony Melton. Sit back and relax on Jonathan Kuminga updates.
On Damian Lillard
Day 3
Marc Spears on Dame: "Of the many teams that reached out to Damian Lillard, the Warriors were one of those teams"
Hollinger reminds us that Dame’s next contract is likely to be a minimum. The reason is that any money above the $2m 1-year-vet minimum will be set-off from the money MIL has to pay Dame for the next two years.
Dame for a 2-year minimum contract anyone?
[On Dame making POR angry by rehabbing with his family] Yes, I’m sure GSW would be willing for Dame to do that (Klay did a lot rehab away from the team) and would be willing to give up a minimum slot this year to have Dame on the minimum in 2026-27 when he might play better than a minimum.
Frequently Asked Questions
When should I be sad about GSW not getting all the free agents?
Go ahead and be sad right now. It is the right of a fan to have wild feelings.
When should I be MAD about GSW not getting free agents?
GSW can sign free agents with the Taxpayer Midlevel Exception of $5,685,000. If you see a free agent signed by another team for less than that, then you can be mad that GSW didn’t grab them first.
Any free agent above that salary can only be added via sign-and-trade, which would
(1) cap GSW at the first apron so it is not done lightly,
(2) need to be agreed upon by the player (to sign) and both the teams, and
(3) fit the byzantine NBA salary matching rules.
So these deals take time and may not be possible.
If GSW lets one of its own free agents leave, you can stomp your feet since GSW probably were able to match that price. Although that would probably have restricted GSW’s ability to sign other free agents.
Where can I educate myself on various free agents that GSW should pursue?
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What are the key dates in the 2024 NBA Free Agency season?
The Free Agency Moratorium starts June 30. This is supposed to be quiet time but in fact all the free agent signings get announced then.
Day After Last Game of NBA Finals: Each NBA team may begin negotiating with upcoming free agents who finished the just-completed season on its roster.
June 30: Each NBA team may begin negotiating with all other upcoming free agents (beginning at 6 p.m. ET).
July 6: Each NBA team may begin signing free agents to contracts (12:01 p.m. ET).
I always found this calendar to be extremely unhelpful, so let me give you context for how slowly or quickly we might hear by listing the titles of the DNHQ articles from last year. Keep in mind that this year could be different. Things may be unusually slow for GSW because if GSW and Kuminga may be slow to come to agreement and that could stop GSW from signing free agents.
When will we hear news?
Free agency signings will be announced starting Day 1 of the Moratorium period.
For context…
In 2024:
Day 1. We learned: GSW was exploring sign-and-trades for Klay, Chris Paul waived; Paul George was pursued but joins PHI
Day 2. Klay sign-and-trade with DAL confirmed; De’Anthony Melton signs
Day 3. Lauri Markkanen and Buddy Hield targeted; Kyle Anderson signed
Day 5. Buddy Hield signed. Klay sign-and-trade expanded. Markkanen still targeted.
In 2023:
Early on Day 1, Draymond’s re-signing news broke.
Around Day 3, Cory Joseph’s signing news broke.
Around Day 8, Dario Saric’s signing news broke.
In 2021:
Within the first few hours of Day 1, half the Warriors’ free agent targets had already been signed by the Lakers. (Excuse me while I smile and smile about this from the comfort of post 2022 Championship.)
Otto Porter Jr’s signing news came at 9pm of Day 1 (Aug 2 2021)
Nemanja Bjelica’s signing news came around 9:30am of Day 2
Andre Iguodala signing news came Aug 6, after the moratorium.
In THEORY and by rule, the key dates are :
Official start of league year and free agency moratorium when no agreements can be made. Teams can NOT start negotiating with players before. The moratorium gives all teams a chance to meet with any free agent, so it’s not a race.
Free agency moratorium ends. Teams officially can begin signing players and complete trades.
In reality, free agency negotiations are happening at all times, through intermediaries. The league turned a blind eye to this because of the difficulty of enforcement, but teams flouted the rules to ridiculous extents. Regularly, reports would come out on free agency agreements in the first minutes of the moratorium. The league finally had to crack down on MIL for announcing a sign-and-trade within minutes, and MIA and CHI for a complex three person sign-and-trade.
The practical result of this is to expect most free agency signings to be announced starting Day 1 of the moratorium.
These moratorium agreements are not binding of course, but it’s major news if someone backs out of the agreement (for instance the absurdly funny DeAndre Jordan situation in 2015, still my favorite NBA Twitter real-time saga).
@mikeascotto.bsky.social:
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The New Orleans Pelicans have waived Antonio Reeves, league sources told @hoopshypeofficial.bsky.social. The 24-year-old guard averaged 6.9 points on 45.6% shooting from the field and 39.5% from 3-point range in 44 games for the Pelicans last season. In his last 10 games, he averaged 15.4 points.
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I’ve had a soft spot for Reeves since the 2024 Draft Tourney. I wonder if GSW can get him onto SCW
@johnhollinger.bsky.social Hollinger’s response to the Slater article is: [[ Wizards angle is fascinating. Warriors could get back the top-20 protected 2030 pick, which isn't that valuable but massively cramps their style due to Stepien rule, and a good cheap role player in Justin Champagnie. But what else are Wiz putting in? Don't think Ws cap can handle Olynyk or Kispert. ]]