That's it? And some of us think that waiting and trading at the deadline if we need to is a bad idea?
That's basically the team equivalent of opting for the Qualifying Offer.
Saric makes no sense on this team, really. In what way is he better than Gui?
And, we've got Toohey, who we may end up wanting to play with the main team at some point (reportedly high BBIQ ... we've had good results throwing those guys into the fire lately).
I know less about Carter, but the fact he's coming back from shoulder surgery basically means we're taking a flyer on an injury rehab again. Whatever JK may be, he's got a performance floor as a fringe rotation guy. Do we know Carter can be that?
When they do these "Grade the trade" type of article, "who won the offseason," by far the biggest winner every year is: journalists who have nothing to report on who successfully generate and then shoot down rumors. It's a real industry, making stuff up.
Slater effectively called BS on that report, so can we put it to bed, hopefully. Should go without saying that that would be an absolutely freaking atrocious return for JK — like, in tandem with losing Looney, “I’m done with this team for a while” -level.
If, God forbid, it happened … I’d hold out to see the complete roster, but you wouldn’t find me trying to spin the merits of flipping a 6-8 modern-day wing with alpha scorer potential for a 6-2 defensive specialist who royally sucks at offense — on a team that’s already very good at defense but undersized and badly in need of shooting and shot creation.
Sorry, I know I’m repeating myself, but that Carter/Saric rumor just bums the hell out of me. I really, really hope MDJ is not that bad at his job. There’s nothing he’s done to date that would make me think he is.
Agreed. MDJ would just sign Kuminga and figure out something else later.
I'm more irritated about the Saric thing than anyone else. How can anyone who follows the team think the Dubs want him back (no reflection on him ... we've just upgraded at PF since he played here).
Yeah, didn’t even mention the Saric thing. Gross. That’d be like sitting through multiple seasons of shitty Friends re-runs when you have the full Netflix, Max, Hulu, Amazon, Britbox and Criterion catalogues at your disposal.
OK, everything was going just fine in this thread, I was with you, the trade is ridiculous, your analogy was going well, and then you SPOKE ILL OF FRIENDS.
Carter may have been drafted high, but he is unproven in the NBA. Deal doesn’t make sense - appears to be somewhere between a rumor / halftruth / negotiating tactic.
I think the vast majority of people are against that ‘trade’. Slater seemingly slapping the rumor down is a relief. MDJ hasn’t been an idiot so far, I can’t image he turns into one now.
Hope you are right. A dear friend just died. Waking up to these rumors pales in comparison, but please let it not be so. Saric has never been a fave and really doesn't fit the culture. We have 3 centers in our summer league roster plus Post and TJD. Although I am happy if JK lands elsewhere, but the Kings and Saric? Bad dream, I should go back to sleep.
Thanks. And I have been using basketball to take the edge of politics. It needs to bring some happy news. She lived in England. Didn't know basketball, but disliked the BBC being taken over by soccer. And she listened politely when I talked about the Warriors. We got through COVID 19 by skyping once a week. She was 88 and told me tales about living in London and then the countryside in WWII. May she rest in peace. And may the BB gods smile down on the Warriors.
I've done the math on a Pelicans deal I don't think it would be particularly appetizing, but they can make it work with Alvarado + Hawkins + Payton + Boston and Kuminga at 22 million.
It's actually fairly easy to make it work if they can wait for August 25th and Saddiq Bey's contract to be combinable. Also somewhat funny they already completed that Poole trade or else Kelly Olynk's salary and fit would be pretty easy as a trade swap.
I don’t think that trade is going to happen and I don’t particularly want that trade to happen, but I regret to tell you that Devin Carter had fantastic college stats and APRIBOT v1, roughly designed to predict 2024 Dunleavy drafting, thinks Carter was the #3 prospect of 2024. And Clunky Comps thinks Devin Carter is f’ing awesome. So there is a good chance that GSW does value him. Still feeling like that return would be a stunning anti-climax.
I'm coming around to not hating Carter as a no name. The shoulder surgery worries me... but if the hypothesis is that he was coming back from a shoulder injury that prevented him from even playing in summer league, so the shot wasn't gonna be really back, in midseason after no summer league and the "I have an injured shoulder" version of training camp & practice, in his first year in the NBA. Talk about a rough start to a career. If he's healthy and such, maybe there's something worthwhile there?
He's also the exact height, weight, and wingspan as DeAnthony Melton. That article linked somewhere in this thread is pretty interesting from a comp perspective.
I like it. Give me Carter on a rookie contract over JK on a big deal.
Team that’s already woefully undersized, very good at defense, and badly in need of shooting and shot creation … goes out and trades their 6-8 volume-scoring wing for a 6-2 defensive specialist who can’t shoot?
Not all season, just the first 6 months of his career that prevented him from practicing his shot, playing in summer league, participating in training camp, etc. until the 35th game of the season. Totally a fair gauge of his talent, lol.
I think he's known for his defense and projects to be good in that area moving forward but it'd be extremely disappointing since we have other pressing needs that he doesn't offer
>>>There’s nothing near the finish line on the Jonathan Kuminga front as the third night of free agency wraps, per sources. Conversations ongoing with Warriors and several teams on periphery. Warriors also waiting on Al Horford decision.<<<
So much of this Free Agency has been just reports of deals and supposed insider information. Yeah, probably a lot of it will actually happen... but if the contracts can't be officially signed until July 6, nothing is really for sure now.... like Dennis Schröder's already agreeing to sign with the Kings as reported yesterday.
Ok, so it looks like nothing is imminent after all, sorry. Should I delete it or leave it up so we can laugh at it in a couple of days?
"[NBC Sports Bay Area] The Warriors, Kings and Pistons are discussing a three-team blockbuster that would send Kuminga and Dennis Schröder to Sacramento in separate sign-and-trade deals. The Kings would send Monk to the Pistons and Devin Carter and Dario Šarić to the Warriors."
Other people are saying 'draft compensation' also to the Warriors
Edit 4: Saric (5.4) and Carter (4.9) make about $11.3 mil total. Kings just got Dario in the Jonas trade, so this is the Warriors' part in the 7-team trade?
Edit 5: Maybe not true? (See Vignette17's comment below)
I've done the math in the trade machine on this. It does work with Kuminga at 25 million a year, though technically it probably has to operate as a 4 team deal with Saric going directly to the Warriors from Denver (and Denver can't make that trade until after the MPJ/CJ trade)
But I personally don't see how this package makes sense, at least without like a Kings 2026 1st round pick swap or something too.
If we're just jumping on this trade before the moratorium ends, there better be some follow on trades that will be announced after this is completed. Saric and Carter and 2 SRPs... I dunno. Carter was a late lottery pick last year, so that's not nothing, I guess...
Make that an unprotected 1st instead of two 2nds and we'll talk. Which doesn't mean it's a deal but we can talk. Otherwise, MDJ, laugh, thank 'em for the call, tell 'em to have a nice day, and hang up the phone.
It does free up a bunch of the projected cap space we'd be eating up... we'd be at $180M committed for 11 guys, needing to fill 3 roster spots with the remaining $15M below the 1st apron line and $25M below the 2nd apron line. You can do stuff with that. And taking back a late lotto pick with 3 years left on a rookie contract isn't bad in theory, but I wouldn't say Carter impressed me last year...
If the Warriors did this I'd guess that Saric's expiring and the draft picks would be shipped out, or maybe those two draft picks could be used to get Bitadze with the trade exception, etc. Maybe Dunleavy had Carter high on his draft board or something.
But honestly I would not be surprised if something along these lines is the deal, I'm not sure how valued Kuminga is around the league.
I do expect that the return will be lighter than many expect. I don't truly expect Ellis or Herb Jones to be included back. But I'd much rather have Monk than Saric/Carter.
That's what Matt George reported about 2 hours ago:
"I'm hearing the Kings are attempting to use pieces like Devin Carter & Dario Saric, and even draft compensation to Golden State, as part of a Kuminga deal. @ABC10"
But then he and Siegel had a back and forth with Siegel shutting it down. And then Slater shot it down 20 min ago. Very strange that it was shot down if it was true.
And then the trade goes down 20 min later for the exact same price the host of LockedOnKings reported? Seems pretty close to the finish line if that was the case.
The thing I don't understand is that this return seems worse than if the Warriors just let Kuminga walk for nothing. At least then the Warriors could use the NTPMLE to sign somebody to actually contribute.
I might have read something about how Saric is trying to go back to Europe and so it would be a salary thing, but maybe that was about Micic or someone else.
Joe Lacob and his sons need to get out of the FO if that's what Kuminga gets traded for. Completely mismanaged the draft and subsequent holding on to him.
FA Day 3 Update: There’s nothing near the finish line on the Jonathan Kuminga front as the third night of free agency wraps, per sources. Conversations ongoing with Warriors and several teams on periphery. Warriors also waiting on Al Horford decision. @anthonyVslater
"The Associated Press’ Tim Reynolds reported that Paul’s desire to be a starter is a key reason why he has yet to make a decision in free agency. Meanwhile, the Clippers remain hopeful the veteran point guard will choose to return to the franchise.
The only season Paul came off the bench was during his lone year with the Golden State Warriors, where he appeared in 58 games and started just 18 of them.'
Would be the same scenario for Lillard on the Warriors, I doubt Lillard is thinking bench role for when he comes back but if the Warriors don't put him in that role it's not going to work. Hence why I don't think it's going to happen.
1. He's from Oakland, and literally going home for his rehab would be a real draw.
2. We have a conservative medical staff that he could certainly trust.
3. Easing back after such a major injury and crushing second units could be a great way to re-establish himself ahead of his last chance at a real contract.
> Easing back after such a major injury and crushing second units could be a great way to re-establish himself ahead of his last chance at a real contract.
What NBA star thinks this way though? Klay came right back to the starting lineup and chucked a ton of shots the rest of that regular season. Lillard almost certainly thinks he will defy the odds and come back where he left off because accepting you aren't a star following a major injury is not something easy to digest, it will take time and space and shots for him to accept his new reality that the Warriors should not be offering imo.
League sources tell The Athletic that the Rockets and Suns are working on expanding the Kevin Durant trade into a deal that would involve a league-record seven teams. Other teams involved in negotiations at the moment include the Atlanta Hawks, Brooklyn Nets, Golden State Warriors, Los Angeles Lakers and Minnesota Timberwolves, league sources say.
They saw MDJ cooking last year and wanted more. Also, Mr Plow is in there!
From a Reddit comment quoting someone on X(?): "The Houston Rockets can trade Jalen Green and Dillon Brooks for Kevin Durant and Dorian Finney-Smith under the terms of his contract. Then they can sign-and-trade for Clint Capela into their mid-level exception. This lets them hold onto Cam Whitmore."
Aha, it’s true that PHX were in the mix for one of those picks via MEM. I assumed that trade was settled but maybe that was a draft night thing. I hope GSW gets something out of this…
What in tarnation… trying to imagine what GSW contributes and gets out of this motley crew since it can’t involve Looney and none of the teams are connected to JK. It doesn’t include MEM whom we traded with for the draft picks. Probably something incredibly disappointing like a second round pick for two future seconds. Or maybe GP2 gets a payday out of this?
Yes, but ServantOfLuna gave us the clues that there are only the trades listed plus draft day trade. So we should be able to logically puzzle this out…
>>>The Hawks would be sending Clint Capela to the Rockets in what would become a sign-and-trade, league sources say. Durant would go to Houston. The previously reported return for him, including Dillon Brooks and Jalen Green, would go to Phoenix. Only five players who were in the NBA last season are being discussed in the current iteration of the trade, as of now: Durant, Brooks, Green, Clint Capela and Daeqwon Plowden, league sources say. The rest of the players being discussed are all from already-agreed-upon draft-night trades that are yet to be finalized and can't be until July 6.
For now, the largest trade in NBA history is the six-teamer that sent Klay Thompson to the Dallas Mavericks last summer.<<<
Honestly if I found out we missed on Horford (admittedly not too enamored due to age and declining play) because of this JK situation ill be really really upset. I get Lacob values JK more than the avg FO but theyve had months to realize that there would be only one team with enough cap space to sign him outright and obv that FO went in a different direction. I get there are salary cap implications here but again this may end up being a situation in which they dont want pennies on the dollar back BUT may end up costing more in terms of not signing Free Agents because of the wait.
EDIT* i admit im a little antsy and ready to be done with this JK situation either through trade or long term deal. There exists a decent possibility that the FO has the framework with New Orleans or some other team that will give us a valuable piece back. Im not saying to make deal just to make a deal BUT i am also saying ill be real irked if we end up signing JK and 3 minimum salaried vets and kicking the can down the road (once more) to trade deadline
My concern is that they missed the window on trading Kuminga 1-2 offseasons ago and that they aren't going to get much of anything for him.
But my bigger concern is that they re-sign him and then the entire NBA knows they are desperate to trade him because forcing him into a team he doesn't fit into is delivering Ls left and right to a win now situation while being awkward in the locker room and then they are forced to like attach draft capital to dump his contract. So far every single time the "just wait until the next deadline/offseason, they'll be able to trade him for more than they would if they sold low right now" case for Kuminga has seemingly been wrong, it seems like his value has mostly just been on a decline as his rookie contract has run out. Maybe I'm wrong and they'll get a good return for Kuminga but I just think they need to cut their losses because the Kuminga (and Wiseman) saga is proof that it actually can always get worse.
This is exactly right. First it was Siakam, then Anunoby, then Caruso. Hell, I suggested Keon Ellis at the trade deadline and was laughed at by this board. But every time it wasn't enough. You think the Thunder wish they hadn't done the Giddey for Caruso trade? It was the exact same situation with Kuminga. The GSW FO chose poorly.
But spilled milk. The key is the best time to trade him was yesterday. The second best time? Today. Just not for Dario Saric.
Why would the Dubs need to dump JK's contract? There's no evidence he will get a fat offer. Right now it looks like he's going to have to sign for a lot less than he wants, maybe even take the QO and become UFA next summer. Either way, the Dubs have no reason to be desperate.
Glad to hear there is interest from SAC. I personally love the idea of Monk and Ellis so I suspect the “zero interest” comes from no workable S&T because of bad SAC offer or maybe SAC won’t pay JK the amount he wants. This might be a leak from GSW or JK side to get SAC to increase their bid
The Kings have made it very obvious that they want Jonathan Kuminga.
However, the Warriors, I’m told, have zero interest in seeing their young forward go to their rival.
There doesn’t appear to be a plausible path, at this time, for a S&T resulting in Kuminga to Sacramento.
Jonathan Kuminga is a restricted free agent, so if he were to sign an offer sheet with the Kings, the Warriors would have full control to match such an offer and retain the 22-year-old.
If he is to be moved in a S&T, the Warriors are wanting immediate value.
The Warriors are taking their time when it comes to Jonathan Kuminga because they are leaving all of their options open, including potential paths to add another superstar down the line.
What happens with Kuminga has a direct impact on the team’s status as a contending threat.
This is relevant for both the “now” and the “post-Curry” era, which is why all options are being carefully evaluated.
Again though as Ive said above at what cost. If its not costing us absolutely anything to wait then more power to them but if we cant bolster our rotation because we waited too long then its a misplay by Lacob et al and a possible situation where we are left with a) an overpay or b) un underpay and a player that will want to earn his next contract not necessarily through team friendly play
It’s up to Kuminga to sign the contract. The only way for Lacob to hurry the process is to offer JK $30m/yr contract. OR they could (hypothetically — no evidence this is possible) sign-and-trade JK for crumbs just to get it over with.
I can’t think of any way to accelerate the JK part.
The only other thing they can accelerate is signing Horford as soon as possible, which in theory could mess up possible sign and trades for JK.
Sometimes life has you in a bad position and you have to make the best of bad decisions.
Yeah thats what i said though. What if Lacob doesn’t want to overpay and JK doesn’t want to sign QO and this goes far to the point on missing out on Horford
This might be a mistake beyond normal Kangz dysfunction, but SAC is engaged in an internal power struggle between Vivek’s daughter and Jeremy Lamb(!!) vs everyone else, so it might be that good players get dumped for irrational alliance reasons
Wait, are Vivek's daughter and Jeremy Lamb an item? She's making sheep eyes at Lamb? And that gives him a say-so in Kangz FO decisions? If so... well, we DO live in a crazy world but that's next-level crazy.
Wow!! I don't subscribe to the Athletic (yeah I should but I can only subscribe to so much) but another article says that Slater reported that Lamb influenced both the D'Aaron Fox trade and the firing of Mike Brown. So there is hope that the Kangz would give us an unreasonably good deal for JK.
The power struggle is juicy and fascinating and not many people seem to know about it. For instance, Mike Brown got fired and Fox asked for a trade partly because of the struggle and the bad direction it’s taking the team.
If we get players/picks that MDJ and Kerr want for JK, I don't care which team we deal with, "rivalry" be damned.
Besides, the Kangz are mostly just a rival geographically. Yeah, we banged heads with them in the 2023 playoffs but otherwise they're just another team in the same division. We've had more of a rivalry with the Rockets than the Kangz.
Hollinger reminds us that Dame’s next contract is likely to be a minimum. The reason is that any money above the $2m 1-year-vet minimum will be set-off from the money MIL has to pay Dame for the next two years.
Sure but if we're talking about a vet min deal, a team could decide to sign him for two seasons to get him under contract for the season after this coming. Then he could rehab with that team this coming season and start building relationships. Not that I want the Dubs to do that.
Yes, I’m sure GSW would be willing for Dame to do that (Klay did a lot rehab away from the team) and would be willing to give up a minimum slot this year to have Dame on the minimum in 2026-27 when he might play better than a minimum.
If we're bringing in more antiquities, I'd rather have Chris Paul back for a vet min if we could get him. But I don't suppose he'd be available that cheap. He'd give us the bench playmaker we need, his defense might not be so great anymore but it would be much better than Dame's, and he's great at mentoring young guys, of which we have several. And his slower pace would work well with Butler, who is likely to be on the court when Steph sits. And imagine the foul grifting with CP and Jimmy!
I don’t think CP3 would come for the minimum and GSW won’t have any other way to sign him if they give Horford the full TPMLE. The foul grifting sounds painful, though CP3 toned it down during his year with us
Yeah I agree we're not likely to get CP3 for the vet min. Too bad.
Hey, Butler is a foul grifter too but he's OUR foul grifter. When it's OUR player, he's "skilled at getting to the line." When it's THEIR player, he's a "foul grifter."
I do not think Hield was good on defense last year, I just think he was good relative to his own previous standard. Put in effort for sure. Some baffling choices made though and got targeted successfully a lot more than he held up from what I saw.
But this is the Buddy Experience. He made some pretty nice defensive plays at times, followed by baffling ones. Chavano is like a box of chocolates....
It seemed to me that Post's defense improved steadily as he gained NBA experience. He needs to get stronger, and he has said he's working on that during the summer.
Man, I really hope Post continues to grow with us (as well as grow in strength). One stat that has stuck with me is his 12 rebounds in Game 3 of the Houston series. Such a great stat for a rookie in a crucial playoff game
Wait, so the latest JK trade rumor is
JK for Devin Carter and Dario Saric?
That's it? And some of us think that waiting and trading at the deadline if we need to is a bad idea?
That's basically the team equivalent of opting for the Qualifying Offer.
Saric makes no sense on this team, really. In what way is he better than Gui?
And, we've got Toohey, who we may end up wanting to play with the main team at some point (reportedly high BBIQ ... we've had good results throwing those guys into the fire lately).
I know less about Carter, but the fact he's coming back from shoulder surgery basically means we're taking a flyer on an injury rehab again. Whatever JK may be, he's got a performance floor as a fringe rotation guy. Do we know Carter can be that?
When they do these "Grade the trade" type of article, "who won the offseason," by far the biggest winner every year is: journalists who have nothing to report on who successfully generate and then shoot down rumors. It's a real industry, making stuff up.
If this happens I guess we make our peace with it. Maybe it foreshadows more moving pieces ahead.
It would foreshadow the pitchforks moving to the front on the barn.
Slater effectively called BS on that report, so can we put it to bed, hopefully. Should go without saying that that would be an absolutely freaking atrocious return for JK — like, in tandem with losing Looney, “I’m done with this team for a while” -level.
If, God forbid, it happened … I’d hold out to see the complete roster, but you wouldn’t find me trying to spin the merits of flipping a 6-8 modern-day wing with alpha scorer potential for a 6-2 defensive specialist who royally sucks at offense — on a team that’s already very good at defense but undersized and badly in need of shooting and shot creation.
Sorry, I know I’m repeating myself, but that Carter/Saric rumor just bums the hell out of me. I really, really hope MDJ is not that bad at his job. There’s nothing he’s done to date that would make me think he is.
Agreed. MDJ would just sign Kuminga and figure out something else later.
I'm more irritated about the Saric thing than anyone else. How can anyone who follows the team think the Dubs want him back (no reflection on him ... we've just upgraded at PF since he played here).
Yeah, didn’t even mention the Saric thing. Gross. That’d be like sitting through multiple seasons of shitty Friends re-runs when you have the full Netflix, Max, Hulu, Amazon, Britbox and Criterion catalogues at your disposal.
OK, everything was going just fine in this thread, I was with you, the trade is ridiculous, your analogy was going well, and then you SPOKE ILL OF FRIENDS.
Is that even legal?
Carter may have been drafted high, but he is unproven in the NBA. Deal doesn’t make sense - appears to be somewhere between a rumor / halftruth / negotiating tactic.
I think the vast majority of people are against that ‘trade’. Slater seemingly slapping the rumor down is a relief. MDJ hasn’t been an idiot so far, I can’t image he turns into one now.
Hope you are right. A dear friend just died. Waking up to these rumors pales in comparison, but please let it not be so. Saric has never been a fave and really doesn't fit the culture. We have 3 centers in our summer league roster plus Post and TJD. Although I am happy if JK lands elsewhere, but the Kings and Saric? Bad dream, I should go back to sleep.
Ugh. My heart goes out to you and your friend and his/her friends and family.
As you say, bad Warriors news pales in comparison. But good Warriors news can help take the edge off.
Thanks. And I have been using basketball to take the edge of politics. It needs to bring some happy news. She lived in England. Didn't know basketball, but disliked the BBC being taken over by soccer. And she listened politely when I talked about the Warriors. We got through COVID 19 by skyping once a week. She was 88 and told me tales about living in London and then the countryside in WWII. May she rest in peace. And may the BB gods smile down on the Warriors.
I've done the math on a Pelicans deal I don't think it would be particularly appetizing, but they can make it work with Alvarado + Hawkins + Payton + Boston and Kuminga at 22 million.
It's actually fairly easy to make it work if they can wait for August 25th and Saddiq Bey's contract to be combinable. Also somewhat funny they already completed that Poole trade or else Kelly Olynk's salary and fit would be pretty easy as a trade swap.
I’m more excited about Coleman Hawkins than I would be about Jordan Hawkins.
You guys are depressing the heck out of me. 😔
Bean!
How about Connie Hawkins or Stephen Hawking?
Stephen was known as a black hole when you passed the ball to him, so I think no.
On the plus side, the radiation frequently killed off his defender, so he got a lot of wide-open looks.
Well they could route those players to the Hornets and take back Josh Green or Grant Williams instead!
I don’t think that trade is going to happen and I don’t particularly want that trade to happen, but I regret to tell you that Devin Carter had fantastic college stats and APRIBOT v1, roughly designed to predict 2024 Dunleavy drafting, thinks Carter was the #3 prospect of 2024. And Clunky Comps thinks Devin Carter is f’ing awesome. So there is a good chance that GSW does value him. Still feeling like that return would be a stunning anti-climax.
I'm beginning to get more worried about our future as APRIBOT's minions.
*ominously the database changes $naughty{“TwoRingTest”} = true*
I think it would have to come with decent pick compensation.
I'm coming around to not hating Carter as a no name. The shoulder surgery worries me... but if the hypothesis is that he was coming back from a shoulder injury that prevented him from even playing in summer league, so the shot wasn't gonna be really back, in midseason after no summer league and the "I have an injured shoulder" version of training camp & practice, in his first year in the NBA. Talk about a rough start to a career. If he's healthy and such, maybe there's something worthwhile there?
Turn back while there is still time! That way lies insanity and agony!
It's probably what he's worth, honestly. JK at $25M or more per year is immediately one of the worst 5 contracts in the league.
Give me JK at $25M all day over a 23 year old 6-2 guard who sucks at offense.
Fair. Vecenie liked Carter, FWIW.
https://www.reddit.com/r/kings/comments/1dptier/an_indepth_look_at_devin_carter_from_vecenies/
Man, that draft guide for Carter does make him sound like someone GSW would love. But he is unproven in the NBA, deal would still be terrible
Okay … sounds like a very poor man’s GP2. Why not just re-sign GP2?
He's also the exact height, weight, and wingspan as DeAnthony Melton. That article linked somewhere in this thread is pretty interesting from a comp perspective.
I like it. Give me Carter on a rookie contract over JK on a big deal.
https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/devin-carter-the-next-all-defensive
Team that’s already woefully undersized, very good at defense, and badly in need of shooting and shot creation … goes out and trades their 6-8 volume-scoring wing for a 6-2 defensive specialist who can’t shoot?
Okay.
Feel like that’s not how the CBA works? 😂
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Still low unless MDJ 100% knows something we don’t
And very likely does. 😀
What about being a 6-2 guard who put up .471 TS last season (including .295 from 3 and .591 from the stripe) and a lower assist rate than TJD?
Is this the same Devin Carter?
Injured all season. Which I know is not the most reassuring reason.
Not all season, just the first 6 months of his career that prevented him from practicing his shot, playing in summer league, participating in training camp, etc. until the 35th game of the season. Totally a fair gauge of his talent, lol.
I think he's known for his defense and projects to be good in that area moving forward but it'd be extremely disappointing since we have other pressing needs that he doesn't offer
At least not during Steph's window... unless he has the craziest 2nd year leap in NBA history
Slater tweeted this 42 mins ago:
>>>There’s nothing near the finish line on the Jonathan Kuminga front as the third night of free agency wraps, per sources. Conversations ongoing with Warriors and several teams on periphery. Warriors also waiting on Al Horford decision.<<<
https://xcancel.com/anthonyVslater/status/1940624482877816873
Whew.
Devin Carter is a 6-2 guard who put up .471 TS last season (including .295 from 3 and .591 from the stripe) and a lower assist rate than TJD.
Might as well go after Chris Chiozza and JaMychal Green.
Everyone at NBC Sports Bay Area should be fired for even putting this nonsense into the universe.
At least JaMychal Green is tall. (No, I do not want him either.)
This all reeks, utterly reeks of negotiating through the press/social media. Maybe this is how they trigger Dumars' FOMO and secure Herb Jones?
So much of this Free Agency has been just reports of deals and supposed insider information. Yeah, probably a lot of it will actually happen... but if the contracts can't be officially signed until July 6, nothing is really for sure now.... like Dennis Schröder's already agreeing to sign with the Kings as reported yesterday.
Ok, so it looks like nothing is imminent after all, sorry. Should I delete it or leave it up so we can laugh at it in a couple of days?
"[NBC Sports Bay Area] The Warriors, Kings and Pistons are discussing a three-team blockbuster that would send Kuminga and Dennis Schröder to Sacramento in separate sign-and-trade deals. The Kings would send Monk to the Pistons and Devin Carter and Dario Šarić to the Warriors."
Other people are saying 'draft compensation' also to the Warriors
Edit: some copium: https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/devin-carter-the-next-all-defensive
Edit 2: the blockbuster: https://media.pennlive.com/midstate_impact/photo/blockbuster-closing-041210-webjpg-7775ba2fdd8fda15.jpg
Edit 3: we did not F5 for this
Edit 4: Saric (5.4) and Carter (4.9) make about $11.3 mil total. Kings just got Dario in the Jonas trade, so this is the Warriors' part in the 7-team trade?
Edit 5: Maybe not true? (See Vignette17's comment below)
I've done the math in the trade machine on this. It does work with Kuminga at 25 million a year, though technically it probably has to operate as a 4 team deal with Saric going directly to the Warriors from Denver (and Denver can't make that trade until after the MPJ/CJ trade)
But I personally don't see how this package makes sense, at least without like a Kings 2026 1st round pick swap or something too.
Apparently the going rate for a pick swap from 23 to 13 is a near future unprotected first, tho, haha... thanks Pels!
If we're just jumping on this trade before the moratorium ends, there better be some follow on trades that will be announced after this is completed. Saric and Carter and 2 SRPs... I dunno. Carter was a late lottery pick last year, so that's not nothing, I guess...
Make that an unprotected 1st instead of two 2nds and we'll talk. Which doesn't mean it's a deal but we can talk. Otherwise, MDJ, laugh, thank 'em for the call, tell 'em to have a nice day, and hang up the phone.
It does free up a bunch of the projected cap space we'd be eating up... we'd be at $180M committed for 11 guys, needing to fill 3 roster spots with the remaining $15M below the 1st apron line and $25M below the 2nd apron line. You can do stuff with that. And taking back a late lotto pick with 3 years left on a rookie contract isn't bad in theory, but I wouldn't say Carter impressed me last year...
Apparently he has potential to be a good defender but losing JK without any scoring punch coming back would be a nightmare scenario
If the Warriors did this I'd guess that Saric's expiring and the draft picks would be shipped out, or maybe those two draft picks could be used to get Bitadze with the trade exception, etc. Maybe Dunleavy had Carter high on his draft board or something.
But honestly I would not be surprised if something along these lines is the deal, I'm not sure how valued Kuminga is around the league.
I really liked Carter coming out. Could be an elite defensive guard
Sounds like he dealt with a major injury in his rookie season
I do expect that the return will be lighter than many expect. I don't truly expect Ellis or Herb Jones to be included back. But I'd much rather have Monk than Saric/Carter.
That's what Matt George reported about 2 hours ago:
"I'm hearing the Kings are attempting to use pieces like Devin Carter & Dario Saric, and even draft compensation to Golden State, as part of a Kuminga deal. @ABC10"
But then he and Siegel had a back and forth with Siegel shutting it down. And then Slater shot it down 20 min ago. Very strange that it was shot down if it was true.
Did Slater shut it down? He just said there was "nothing near the finish line on the Jonathan Kuminga front".
And then the trade goes down 20 min later for the exact same price the host of LockedOnKings reported? Seems pretty close to the finish line if that was the case.
That makes me feel better.
I sincerely hope the rumor isn't true.
Article says ‘deal remains fluid’ Yeah, I bet it is. I’m not even that high on JK to begin with, but there is no chance we trade him for scraps
I’m guessing GSW leaked this to gain leverage somehow or maybe just make fun of the Kings for offering that
Devin Carter is older than Jonathan Kuminga
This would be an absolutely trash return. Why would the Warriors want Saric back after he was bad for us and unplayable for Denver?
The thing I don't understand is that this return seems worse than if the Warriors just let Kuminga walk for nothing. At least then the Warriors could use the NTPMLE to sign somebody to actually contribute.
I might have read something about how Saric is trying to go back to Europe and so it would be a salary thing, but maybe that was about Micic or someone else.
Yeah, Vasilije Micić is probably going back to Europe
I'm hoping this is bad reporting. I refuse to believe MDJ is that dumb
We need to get Monk. At minimum. I can't believe Lacob would let the Kings scam us like tis.
Joe Lacob and his sons need to get out of the FO if that's what Kuminga gets traded for. Completely mismanaged the draft and subsequent holding on to him.
The draft compensation in the article says 2 second round picks.
That does not seem like a blockbuster.
It's blahbuster.
I don't even want to joke about it that return would be beyond disgusting
This would be beyond dismal, if that's all there is to it.
I was so much more excited at the beginning of that sentence than at the end
What da heck??
I don't give a damn about any draft compensation I would legitimately vomit if that went down
"had me in the 1st half, not gonna lie"
I'm glad it wasn't just me.
NBA free agency recap day 3:
-Hornets sign Spencer Dinwiddie.
-Mavericks keep Dante Exum.
-Lakers sign DeAndre Ayton.
Coaching update:
-Mike Brown becomes the Knicks head coach.
-Frank Vogel becomes the Mavericks assistant coach.
-God Shammgod becomes the Magic assistant coach.
MAN that's a name
FA Day 3 Update: There’s nothing near the finish line on the Jonathan Kuminga front as the third night of free agency wraps, per sources. Conversations ongoing with Warriors and several teams on periphery. Warriors also waiting on Al Horford decision. @anthonyVslater
"The Associated Press’ Tim Reynolds reported that Paul’s desire to be a starter is a key reason why he has yet to make a decision in free agency. Meanwhile, the Clippers remain hopeful the veteran point guard will choose to return to the franchise.
The only season Paul came off the bench was during his lone year with the Golden State Warriors, where he appeared in 58 games and started just 18 of them.'
Would be the same scenario for Lillard on the Warriors, I doubt Lillard is thinking bench role for when he comes back but if the Warriors don't put him in that role it's not going to work. Hence why I don't think it's going to happen.
Maybe... or:
1. He's from Oakland, and literally going home for his rehab would be a real draw.
2. We have a conservative medical staff that he could certainly trust.
3. Easing back after such a major injury and crushing second units could be a great way to re-establish himself ahead of his last chance at a real contract.
> Easing back after such a major injury and crushing second units could be a great way to re-establish himself ahead of his last chance at a real contract.
What NBA star thinks this way though? Klay came right back to the starting lineup and chucked a ton of shots the rest of that regular season. Lillard almost certainly thinks he will defy the odds and come back where he left off because accepting you aren't a star following a major injury is not something easy to digest, it will take time and space and shots for him to accept his new reality that the Warriors should not be offering imo.
Home is Portland for Dame now. That's where he reportedly wants to rehab too.
So no chance of re-signing him as Currys backup?
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/live-blogs/nba-free-agency-2025-offseason-trade-rumors-news/fnwUjcuMFEqi/
League sources tell The Athletic that the Rockets and Suns are working on expanding the Kevin Durant trade into a deal that would involve a league-record seven teams. Other teams involved in negotiations at the moment include the Atlanta Hawks, Brooklyn Nets, Golden State Warriors, Los Angeles Lakers and Minnesota Timberwolves, league sources say.
They saw MDJ cooking last year and wanted more. Also, Mr Plow is in there!
From a Reddit comment quoting someone on X(?): "The Houston Rockets can trade Jalen Green and Dillon Brooks for Kevin Durant and Dorian Finney-Smith under the terms of his contract. Then they can sign-and-trade for Clint Capela into their mid-level exception. This lets them hold onto Cam Whitmore."
I think it might just be related to the trade of pick #41 for #52 and #59? Could be wrong though.
Yeah, seeing some reports that it's most likely just S&Ts that were already agreed upon and draft day stuff
Seems like it is just a way to package deals that have already been made to avoid hard cap stuff.
But I wonder what the GS portion is? I didn’t see anything in the article beyond saying we were in the mix
If this is just aggregation of existing trades, I’m never going to care about a big multi-team trade again.
The draft day trade to get the suns’ second round picks
Thanks, just reread it & caught that. Sounds like a boring and practical trade, the Athletic got us amped up for nothing
Aha, it’s true that PHX were in the mix for one of those picks via MEM. I assumed that trade was settled but maybe that was a draft night thing. I hope GSW gets something out of this…
What in tarnation… trying to imagine what GSW contributes and gets out of this motley crew since it can’t involve Looney and none of the teams are connected to JK. It doesn’t include MEM whom we traded with for the draft picks. Probably something incredibly disappointing like a second round pick for two future seconds. Or maybe GP2 gets a payday out of this?
It’s a quarter of the league, the options are endless. These people are creative.
Yes, but ServantOfLuna gave us the clues that there are only the trades listed plus draft day trade. So we should be able to logically puzzle this out…
>>>The Hawks would be sending Clint Capela to the Rockets in what would become a sign-and-trade, league sources say. Durant would go to Houston. The previously reported return for him, including Dillon Brooks and Jalen Green, would go to Phoenix. Only five players who were in the NBA last season are being discussed in the current iteration of the trade, as of now: Durant, Brooks, Green, Clint Capela and Daeqwon Plowden, league sources say. The rest of the players being discussed are all from already-agreed-upon draft-night trades that are yet to be finalized and can't be until July 6.
For now, the largest trade in NBA history is the six-teamer that sent Klay Thompson to the Dallas Mavericks last summer.<<<
Honestly if I found out we missed on Horford (admittedly not too enamored due to age and declining play) because of this JK situation ill be really really upset. I get Lacob values JK more than the avg FO but theyve had months to realize that there would be only one team with enough cap space to sign him outright and obv that FO went in a different direction. I get there are salary cap implications here but again this may end up being a situation in which they dont want pennies on the dollar back BUT may end up costing more in terms of not signing Free Agents because of the wait.
EDIT* i admit im a little antsy and ready to be done with this JK situation either through trade or long term deal. There exists a decent possibility that the FO has the framework with New Orleans or some other team that will give us a valuable piece back. Im not saying to make deal just to make a deal BUT i am also saying ill be real irked if we end up signing JK and 3 minimum salaried vets and kicking the can down the road (once more) to trade deadline
My concern is that they missed the window on trading Kuminga 1-2 offseasons ago and that they aren't going to get much of anything for him.
But my bigger concern is that they re-sign him and then the entire NBA knows they are desperate to trade him because forcing him into a team he doesn't fit into is delivering Ls left and right to a win now situation while being awkward in the locker room and then they are forced to like attach draft capital to dump his contract. So far every single time the "just wait until the next deadline/offseason, they'll be able to trade him for more than they would if they sold low right now" case for Kuminga has seemingly been wrong, it seems like his value has mostly just been on a decline as his rookie contract has run out. Maybe I'm wrong and they'll get a good return for Kuminga but I just think they need to cut their losses because the Kuminga (and Wiseman) saga is proof that it actually can always get worse.
This is exactly right. First it was Siakam, then Anunoby, then Caruso. Hell, I suggested Keon Ellis at the trade deadline and was laughed at by this board. But every time it wasn't enough. You think the Thunder wish they hadn't done the Giddey for Caruso trade? It was the exact same situation with Kuminga. The GSW FO chose poorly.
But spilled milk. The key is the best time to trade him was yesterday. The second best time? Today. Just not for Dario Saric.
Why would the Dubs need to dump JK's contract? There's no evidence he will get a fat offer. Right now it looks like he's going to have to sign for a lot less than he wants, maybe even take the QO and become UFA next summer. Either way, the Dubs have no reason to be desperate.
> Either way, the Dubs have no reason to be desperate.
Not if they trade him right now.
lol I feel like you do this just to mess with me
>>>>The Kings have made it very obvious that they want Jonathan Kuminga.
However, the Warriors, I’m told, have zero interest in seeing their young forward go to their rival.
There doesn’t appear to be a plausible path, at this time, for a S&T resulting in Kuminga to Sacramento.
@BrettSiegelNBA <<<<<
If it comes out that we rejected Keon Ellis for JK, I'm never going to forgive Lacob. If this is a leverage play, please Kangz, Kangz.
Glad to hear there is interest from SAC. I personally love the idea of Monk and Ellis so I suspect the “zero interest” comes from no workable S&T because of bad SAC offer or maybe SAC won’t pay JK the amount he wants. This might be a leak from GSW or JK side to get SAC to increase their bid
The full set of tweets
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The Kings have made it very obvious that they want Jonathan Kuminga.
However, the Warriors, I’m told, have zero interest in seeing their young forward go to their rival.
There doesn’t appear to be a plausible path, at this time, for a S&T resulting in Kuminga to Sacramento.
Jonathan Kuminga is a restricted free agent, so if he were to sign an offer sheet with the Kings, the Warriors would have full control to match such an offer and retain the 22-year-old.
If he is to be moved in a S&T, the Warriors are wanting immediate value.
The Warriors are taking their time when it comes to Jonathan Kuminga because they are leaving all of their options open, including potential paths to add another superstar down the line.
What happens with Kuminga has a direct impact on the team’s status as a contending threat.
This is relevant for both the “now” and the “post-Curry” era, which is why all options are being carefully evaluated.
]]
https://xcancel.com/BrettSiegelNBA/status/1940593697890181260#m
https://xcancel.com/BrettSiegelNBA
Again though as Ive said above at what cost. If its not costing us absolutely anything to wait then more power to them but if we cant bolster our rotation because we waited too long then its a misplay by Lacob et al and a possible situation where we are left with a) an overpay or b) un underpay and a player that will want to earn his next contract not necessarily through team friendly play
What counts as a misplay?
It’s up to Kuminga to sign the contract. The only way for Lacob to hurry the process is to offer JK $30m/yr contract. OR they could (hypothetically — no evidence this is possible) sign-and-trade JK for crumbs just to get it over with.
I can’t think of any way to accelerate the JK part.
The only other thing they can accelerate is signing Horford as soon as possible, which in theory could mess up possible sign and trades for JK.
Sometimes life has you in a bad position and you have to make the best of bad decisions.
Yeah thats what i said though. What if Lacob doesn’t want to overpay and JK doesn’t want to sign QO and this goes far to the point on missing out on Horford
You mean if JK doesn't get an offer above QO? So he doesn't sign at all and sits out the season? That doesn't seem likely.
I can’t tell what you suggest GSW does instead…?
I don't think Sacramento is that stupid to give Ellis to us.
This might be a mistake beyond normal Kangz dysfunction, but SAC is engaged in an internal power struggle between Vivek’s daughter and Jeremy Lamb(!!) vs everyone else, so it might be that good players get dumped for irrational alliance reasons
Wait, are Vivek's daughter and Jeremy Lamb an item? She's making sheep eyes at Lamb? And that gives him a say-so in Kangz FO decisions? If so... well, we DO live in a crazy world but that's next-level crazy.
Yes, yes, yes and yes. There’s a great Athletic article about it, but if you google “Jeremy Lamb Vivek” you should be able to piece together the story
Wow!! I don't subscribe to the Athletic (yeah I should but I can only subscribe to so much) but another article says that Slater reported that Lamb influenced both the D'Aaron Fox trade and the firing of Mike Brown. So there is hope that the Kangz would give us an unreasonably good deal for JK.
Ooh, that’s interesting! Trades made out of spite are the best ones
The power struggle is juicy and fascinating and not many people seem to know about it. For instance, Mike Brown got fired and Fox asked for a trade partly because of the struggle and the bad direction it’s taking the team.
Give them a chance. This is the FO that chose DeAaron Fox over Tyrese Haliburton, then also ended up trading Fox. Anything is possible!
And traded Davion Off Night Mitchell
> rival
Eh
Playoff series wins since 2013
Warriors 24
Kings 0
If we get players/picks that MDJ and Kerr want for JK, I don't care which team we deal with, "rivalry" be damned.
Besides, the Kangz are mostly just a rival geographically. Yeah, we banged heads with them in the 2023 playoffs but otherwise they're just another team in the same division. We've had more of a rivalry with the Rockets than the Kangz.
Hollinger reminds us that Dame’s next contract is likely to be a minimum. The reason is that any money above the $2m 1-year-vet minimum will be set-off from the money MIL has to pay Dame for the next two years.
Dame for a 2-year minimum contract anyone?
https://bsky.app/profile/johnhollinger.bsky.social/post/3lszjhlzvyk23
The Dubs might be the first team to need a gerontologist.
we can add dame and horford and rename to the golden state retirers! But would be fun for sure!
the golden years
Please, no more old players, especially injured ones.
1 year minimum contract though. He's not playing next season.
Sure but if we're talking about a vet min deal, a team could decide to sign him for two seasons to get him under contract for the season after this coming. Then he could rehab with that team this coming season and start building relationships. Not that I want the Dubs to do that.
I would like that. He is from Oakland and will always be able to shoot. Great opportunity for many reasons
Reportedly a source of contention with the Bucks was that Dame wanted to rehab at home in Portland with his family nearby.
Yes, I’m sure GSW would be willing for Dame to do that (Klay did a lot rehab away from the team) and would be willing to give up a minimum slot this year to have Dame on the minimum in 2026-27 when he might play better than a minimum.
If we're bringing in more antiquities, I'd rather have Chris Paul back for a vet min if we could get him. But I don't suppose he'd be available that cheap. He'd give us the bench playmaker we need, his defense might not be so great anymore but it would be much better than Dame's, and he's great at mentoring young guys, of which we have several. And his slower pace would work well with Butler, who is likely to be on the court when Steph sits. And imagine the foul grifting with CP and Jimmy!
I don’t think CP3 would come for the minimum and GSW won’t have any other way to sign him if they give Horford the full TPMLE. The foul grifting sounds painful, though CP3 toned it down during his year with us
Yeah I agree we're not likely to get CP3 for the vet min. Too bad.
Hey, Butler is a foul grifter too but he's OUR foul grifter. When it's OUR player, he's "skilled at getting to the line." When it's THEIR player, he's a "foul grifter."
How would Kerr use Westbrook if he signed here?
Him as a screener for Steph could honestly be pretty dynamic. He’s still got some pop to be on the roll and finish and is a good passer
as a greeter at the gate.
serving cupcakes during halftime
Laying bricks on a new wall outside of Chase. He's skilled at bricklaying.
Hield was surprisingly effective on defense last year (Maybe Post too? I dunno about him).
I do not think Hield was good on defense last year, I just think he was good relative to his own previous standard. Put in effort for sure. Some baffling choices made though and got targeted successfully a lot more than he held up from what I saw.
But this is the Buddy Experience. He made some pretty nice defensive plays at times, followed by baffling ones. Chavano is like a box of chocolates....
It seemed to me that Post's defense improved steadily as he gained NBA experience. He needs to get stronger, and he has said he's working on that during the summer.
Man, I really hope Post continues to grow with us (as well as grow in strength). One stat that has stuck with me is his 12 rebounds in Game 3 of the Houston series. Such a great stat for a rookie in a crucial playoff game
>>>Dallas Mavericks player development coach God Shammgod has agreed to join the Orlando Magic as an assistant coach<<<
https://www.espn.com/contributor/shams-charania/068b798b9ca36
What a name.
Inventor of the Shammgod dribble move!
Some (a lot of?) stuff has to happen tomorrow before the 3-day weekend, right?
Although LeBron to Warriors on the 4th would be the most hilarious outcome, of course.
Wasn’t KD signed on 4th of July weekend? I don’t think FOs close up shop and head to the BBQ.
Hey, MDJ could head to a BBQ with, say, Horford and his agent. Declare independence from the Celtics, Al!
That was the hardest road, though
If you go by JKs Instagram he's been in the gym for 60 days straight.
Honing that awful handle against rejects from the Y again?
As long as he's not practicing shooting with Ben Simmons.
Still won’t raise his BBIQ
But he could improve his shooting, especially from the FT line, and if he's playing pickup, he could tighten his handles, which would help a bunch.